WEBVTT 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:02.375 Good evening and welcome everyone to the 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:04.056 ordinary meeting of council for the 12th 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:06.536 of August 2026. A reminder to all in 00:00:06.560 --> 00:00:07.895 attendance that tonight's meeting is 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:09.976 webcast live and a recording of the 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:11.495 meeting will be archived to council's 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:14.519 website. I begin today by acknowledging 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:16.696 the traditional custodians of a land on 00:00:16.720 --> 00:00:18.216 which we meet and pay respects to Elders 00:00:18.240 --> 00:00:20.136 past, present and emerging and extend 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:21.736 that respect to Aboriginal Torres Strait 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:23.576 Islander people here today. We 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:25.175 acknowledge the stories, traditions, and 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.095 living cultures of Aboriginal and 00:00:27.119 --> 00:00:28.936 Torres Strait Islander people on this land 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:30.616 and commit to building a brighter future 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:33.096 together. So, in relation to apologies, 00:00:33.120 --> 00:00:34.535 councilors, I'm going to move that the 00:00:34.559 --> 00:00:36.375 apology for non-attendance from 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:37.976 councelor Livermore be received and that 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.656 leave of absence be granted and that 00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:41.096 second by councelor Broadbent and we'll 00:00:41.120 --> 00:00:43.016 put that motion councilors all in favor. 00:00:43.040 --> 00:00:45.416 That's unanimous and carried. In 00:00:45.440 --> 00:00:47.816 relation to minutes, I'll move that the 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:49.015 minutes of the ordinary meeting of 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.256 council held in the WB Freebody Chambers 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.976 Nelly Hamilton Center on Wednesday 22nd 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.616 of July be confirmed and I have a second 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.215 council Broadbent. Is there any 00:00:58.239 --> 00:01:00.535 discussion on the minutes? 00:01:00.559 --> 00:01:02.055 If not, I'll put the motion all those in 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.079 favor that's unanimous and carried. So 00:01:05.360 --> 00:01:08.296 next item is disclosure of interests. So 00:01:08.320 --> 00:01:09.816 I'll move that councilors and staff now 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:11.736 disclose any interests and reasons for 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:13.816 declaring such interest in the matters 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:15.336 under consideration by council at this 00:01:15.360 --> 00:01:16.856 meeting. That second by councelor 00:01:16.880 --> 00:01:18.616 Broadbent again and we'll put that 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:20.536 motion. Council's all in favor that's 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:22.775 unanimous. do we have any 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.936 disclosures? 00:01:24.960 --> 00:01:27.960 So I'm going to actually declare a 00:01:28.479 --> 00:01:31.336 conflict councils and that's on item 9.7 00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:32.775 which is the Karabar High School 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.735 Performance Curriculum Partnership mou. 00:01:35.759 --> 00:01:37.735 It's non-pecuniary 00:01:37.759 --> 00:01:40.216 non-significant in that my daughter 00:01:40.240 --> 00:01:42.296 attends the performing arts class at 00:01:42.320 --> 00:01:45.176 Karabar High School. So at 9.7 councilors 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.576 I'm going to leave the chamber 00:01:47.600 --> 00:01:49.336 and as I said before the meeting because 00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:51.336 the Deputy Mayor is not here I'll hand 00:01:51.360 --> 00:01:52.936 over to the GM who's going to elect a 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:54.455 chair and they get to chair the meeting 00:01:54.479 --> 00:01:56.856 for 9.7 00:01:56.880 --> 00:01:59.880 deal. Okay. So councilors, before we 00:02:00.960 --> 00:02:03.016 get to the agenda for the public forum, 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:05.176 we're just going to take a moment to 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.200 reflect on our town crier who 00:02:08.239 --> 00:02:10.776 unfortunately passed away. 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.176 So condolence for our town crier, Joseph 00:02:13.200 --> 00:02:16.200 McGrail it was only 3 weeks ago 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:20.855 at the last council meeting we had 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:22.696 Lord Joseph here in front of us. We had 00:02:22.720 --> 00:02:24.215 our photo with his Guinness World 00:02:24.239 --> 00:02:25.736 Record. We got him to do one of his 00:02:25.760 --> 00:02:28.456 cries and and here we are only a 00:02:28.480 --> 00:02:30.295 short time later and he's passed away. 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:33.319 So we pass on our condolences 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:36.360 to his family and it's a sad 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:38.935 time for everyone. And I'm going to ask 00:02:38.959 --> 00:02:41.256 everyone that can that is able to 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.056 to please stand as we reflect on the 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.080 life of Lord Joseph. 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.159 Thank you 00:03:28.480 --> 00:03:30.135 council. The next item is the public 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:31.896 forum. So I'll move that the meeting be 00:03:31.920 --> 00:03:33.336 adjourned to conduct the public forum 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.416 and that's seconded by councelor Preston 00:03:35.440 --> 00:03:37.416 and we'll put that motion. All in favor 00:03:37.440 --> 00:03:39.656 that's unanimous. 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:41.416 so we're now in the public forum. A 00:03:41.440 --> 00:03:43.336 reminder that the public forum is also 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.256 livereamed. I don't believe we have any 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.280 presenters online today, counselors, but 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:51.319 we do have um 00:03:55.040 --> 00:03:58.040 I think it's eight eight presenters 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.295 who'll be speaking on items on the 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:03.176 agenda. And then we have two additional 00:04:03.200 --> 00:04:04.935 um members of the public who will be 00:04:04.959 --> 00:04:06.935 presenting a petition and they'll also 00:04:06.959 --> 00:04:09.575 be invited to speak on their petitions. 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.599 So the first um presenter last chance 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.176 Tim. 00:04:15.200 --> 00:04:18.200 So we're going to hear from Wes Klum 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.296 and all the presenters councilors for 00:04:20.320 --> 00:04:22.136 the first eight or so are all relating 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.160 to item 9.1 which is the Dun Creek Road 00:04:25.520 --> 00:04:28.520 options review report. So Mr. killand 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:31.496 I'll just I'll just read this out once 00:04:31.520 --> 00:04:33.336 for everyone that you'll have 3 minutes 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.016 and there's a windup bell at 2 and a 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:36.936 half minutes and Miss Monahan who's 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:39.096 sitting next to the speakers is in 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.735 charge of timing you. So Mr. Kllum, 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.759 thank you. My name is Wes. I live at 112 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.416 Alkum Road with my gorgeous wife Chris 00:04:47.440 --> 00:04:50.296 of 53 years. Thanks for this opportunity 00:04:50.320 --> 00:04:53.096 and thank you to the four people here 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.496 who responded to my written submission 00:04:55.520 --> 00:04:58.520 and my request for feedback. Thank you. 00:04:58.880 --> 00:05:00.696 At two community meetings that we 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.016 attended, we were urged to put the past 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.040 aside and look to the future. However, 00:05:06.960 --> 00:05:09.656 large in large measure, the past can 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.455 determine the future because past 00:05:12.479 --> 00:05:15.015 councils and the administrator were in 00:05:15.039 --> 00:05:17.735 my opinion negligent in securing an 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.615 obvious route for Dun's Creek grade. We 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.639 now see proposals that create new errors 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.376 and I think a grave injustice 00:05:26.400 --> 00:05:28.296 particularly for residents of Fernley 00:05:28.320 --> 00:05:31.015 Park and those who live in rural lots 00:05:31.039 --> 00:05:34.039 along Old Kuma Road. The 2A, 2B and 2C 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.199 options I believe are untenable as they 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.496 punish those of us who chose with 00:05:41.520 --> 00:05:44.520 council's approval and support a rural 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.560 lifestyle. a lifestyle that involves a 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:49.336 strong connection to caring for the 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.056 land, to native and farm animals, to 00:05:52.080 --> 00:05:54.696 improving biodiversity, and protecting 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.336 the environment in general. I think if 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.216 you choose any of these options for a 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.696 road, you'll do great damage. To begin 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:04.376 with, there are those of us who are 00:06:04.400 --> 00:06:07.256 directly impacted. You can see our land 00:06:07.280 --> 00:06:10.280 resume and our homes demolished. 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:13.256 Many other properties would be partly 00:06:13.280 --> 00:06:15.976 impacted. But in truth, the whole 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.856 community would be impacted by visual 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:21.496 pollution, by noise pollution, the 00:06:21.520 --> 00:06:24.455 disruption to animal corridors, the loss 00:06:24.479 --> 00:06:27.479 of endangered woodlands, and more. In 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.496 effect, it would dramatically change our 00:06:29.520 --> 00:06:32.520 way of life. It would also result in 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.560 properties being significantly devalued 00:06:35.919 --> 00:06:38.919 and in dollar terms, and some I believe 00:06:38.960 --> 00:06:41.960 would be unsailable. It's ironic that we 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.000 have recently been reszoned to 2C I 00:06:45.440 --> 00:06:46.936 think it is which talks about 00:06:46.960 --> 00:06:49.895 environmental protection. In my written 00:06:49.919 --> 00:06:52.536 submission I also queried the exorbitant 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.560 cost and while the road may attract 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.496 state and federal grants it is still 00:06:57.520 --> 00:07:00.520 hugely expensive and I believe that's 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.936 already it will be reflected in our 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:05.816 rates which are already very high. 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:08.136 Further concern is the consultants 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.216 report which I believe is seriously 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.216 inadequate. 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.376 I've always accepted and I believe most 00:07:14.400 --> 00:07:17.175 of us here tonight have that if you move 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.575 to a rural location to live as we did 00:07:19.599 --> 00:07:22.599 nearly 46 years ago 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.639 then travel times to some destinations 00:07:25.919 --> 00:07:28.919 such as CRA will inevitably be far 00:07:28.960 --> 00:07:31.960 greater. And to be fair, congestion is 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.856 not all that significant right now 00:07:34.880 --> 00:07:37.175 compared to that experienced elsewhere. 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.656 For example, in Canberra and especially 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.455 in Sydney. I took my children home along 00:07:42.479 --> 00:07:44.376 Majura Parkway the other night. It's 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:46.856 well named. It's more of a parkway than 00:07:46.880 --> 00:07:49.880 a road. There are several non Dons Creek 00:07:50.960 --> 00:07:53.895 Road options presented. They need far 00:07:53.919 --> 00:07:56.855 greater study in my view and far greater 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:58.376 support. 00:07:58.400 --> 00:08:01.400 And in my written submission, I advanced 00:08:01.440 --> 00:08:04.216 many ideas that I think could address 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.240 the assumed problem. Finally, I ask that 00:08:07.599 --> 00:08:09.656 you seriously consider my argument in 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.976 the written submission about what is 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.696 known as the braus paradox. You may not 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:17.656 have heard of it, but it it states that 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.615 adding a road to a network can have a 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.639 paradoxical effect in slowing traffic 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.759 and creating congestion. It may well be 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.575 a mistake to think that a Dun's Creek 00:08:29.599 --> 00:08:32.599 road costing around $400 million will be 00:08:33.599 --> 00:08:36.375 a solution of any kind at all. Thank 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.399 you. 00:08:45.920 --> 00:08:47.576 Thank you, Mr. Kllum. The next presenter 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.600 is Coline Cresensen. 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:55.976 Thanks for the opportunity to speak to 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.656 this item and I just want to say at the 00:08:57.680 --> 00:08:59.976 outset, thank you to Kenrich and to 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.056 various counselors who've listened to us 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.495 over the last couple of years on this 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.736 issue and um given us advice and 00:09:05.760 --> 00:09:08.616 expressed some concern about the 00:09:08.640 --> 00:09:10.056 situation we find ourselves in at 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.856 Firmley Park. Um, look, I'm not directly 00:09:12.880 --> 00:09:15.255 affected by the the road, but everyone, 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.056 as Wes said, in Firmley Park nearby is 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.456 impacted by what looks like it might 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.375 happen to our neighbors and those that 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.296 have been our friends for many years. 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:25.815 Um, there's two groups of people that 00:09:25.839 --> 00:09:28.056 are affected by these options. Some are 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.776 longstanding residents like myself, long 00:09:30.800 --> 00:09:32.456 in the tooth, who've been here for a 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:34.456 long time and bought their pl their 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.616 places and built their homes on the 00:09:36.640 --> 00:09:38.296 understanding that there would not be a 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:40.056 road coming through. There's never been 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:43.080 any suggestion to us over the last 30 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.176 years that a Dun's Creek Road would come 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.255 through Firmley Park. On the contrary, 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.096 it's been suggested it would be north of 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.976 us. In this perspective, so very 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.536 different to the Edward Lane extension, 00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:56.536 Edward Drive extension where there was a 00:09:56.560 --> 00:09:59.336 line on the map for 40 years. Um, it was 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.176 contentious when that came through, but 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:02.935 it was always intended. There's been no 00:10:02.959 --> 00:10:04.616 line on the map till now, and we don't 00:10:04.640 --> 00:10:07.640 want to see one be written on it. Um 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:11.096 we're going to be putting our trust in 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.336 councilors at this meeting to do the 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.136 right thing by us and to see as Wes 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:18.776 suggested this is in an injustice to 00:10:18.800 --> 00:10:21.800 retrospectively impose a road or road 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.296 routes through Fley Park a rural 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.935 residential area when there's been no 00:10:26.959 --> 00:10:29.495 suggestion of that beforehand and I just 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.416 want to put forward my particular 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.440 concern with how the options paper reads 00:10:34.880 --> 00:10:37.880 those part that we've seen 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:39.656 It reads with all the warmth, 00:10:39.680 --> 00:10:41.976 compassion, and interest of a a Chinese 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.055 restaurant menu at the moment with a 00:10:44.079 --> 00:10:45.495 number at the bottom of each of the 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:47.736 lines. But the section about dwellings, 00:10:47.760 --> 00:10:49.656 I think, is really misleading and 00:10:49.680 --> 00:10:51.896 understated. If you look at 2A, for 00:10:51.920 --> 00:10:54.216 example, it says, , look, one dwelling 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:55.576 is affected by this, and you'll hear 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:57.176 from the person that owns that dwelling 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.200 shortly, but 13 properties are affected 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.536 by that option. Most of those properties 00:11:02.560 --> 00:11:04.856 have a dwelling on it and I've spoken to 00:11:04.880 --> 00:11:06.776 several families on those properties and 00:11:06.800 --> 00:11:09.255 the road goes through their backyard, 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:10.856 through their front yard, through what's 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:12.616 was proposed to be their pony paddic in 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:15.640 the future. Um, all of these people are 00:11:15.760 --> 00:11:18.536 really deeply profoundly impacted 00:11:18.560 --> 00:11:20.696 socially and emotionally and potentially 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:23.255 financially by these options. And I 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:24.935 think the problem is going to be that 00:11:24.959 --> 00:11:26.935 the Jerobomb and the Gong people reading 00:11:26.959 --> 00:11:28.935 this options paper will think, "Oh, it 00:11:28.959 --> 00:11:30.216 doesn't look too bad. It's not hurting 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.856 too many people." It understates the 00:11:32.880 --> 00:11:35.255 enormous social impact these options 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:38.279 have on people. Um look, I just want to 00:11:38.880 --> 00:11:41.880 say also that um that basically um there 00:11:43.839 --> 00:11:45.336 are three options that are put forward 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.815 there. There's other options um which 00:11:47.839 --> 00:11:50.839 include improving the existing road 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.055 network and I think that there is merit 00:11:54.079 --> 00:11:56.375 in looking closely at those options. I 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.296 know Kenri doesn't like to go south from 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.456 Gong, but I would like to say that I 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.375 think the route south from Fernley Park 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.935 to Gong to Fernley to Vanero Highway 00:12:04.959 --> 00:12:06.615 should be considered. At the moment, 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.176 it's 8 minutes from the intersection of 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.656 Fernley Drive, Old Kuma Road down to 00:12:11.680 --> 00:12:13.255 Monero Highway. So, that just would be 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.576 one option. But again, just beseeching 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.495 you, we've got you've got our trust. So, 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.519 thank you very much. 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:27.736 We don't normally allow applause in the 00:12:27.760 --> 00:12:29.255 chamber, but as long as we clap 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.416 everyone, including um the other 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:32.935 presenters not speak on this item, I 00:12:32.959 --> 00:12:35.959 think it's okay. Um the next presenter 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.000 is going to be Paul Dwire. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.136 So Michael's registered twice, so I've 00:12:48.160 --> 00:12:50.216 I've bumped him down to his second one. 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.240 Sorry. 00:12:54.880 --> 00:12:55.736 Is that on? 00:12:55.760 --> 00:12:56.375 His answers. 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:57.736 Okay. 00:12:57.760 --> 00:13:00.055 good evening. My name is Paul Dwire 00:13:00.079 --> 00:13:01.736 and I've lived with my wife and two 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:04.760 children at 135 Cabin Close Fernley Park 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.656 for 30 years. 00:13:07.680 --> 00:13:10.055 Option 2 A is marked to go through our 00:13:10.079 --> 00:13:13.016 house and split our property into two. 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:14.696 The direct effect of this is 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:16.296 catastrophic 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.096 as we've prepared our property for 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.576 retirement after enjoying the peace and 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.296 quiet thinking it would never end. 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.216 Dun Creek Road was originally drawn on 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.696 maps from Gurgong Road to Monero Highway 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:30.375 as part of the Gurgong development 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.456 conditions with assurances from 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:34.935 developers and council that no Firmly 00:13:34.959 --> 00:13:37.576 Park property would be impacted. 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.976 Dun Creek Road was mapped option five 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:41.336 prior to the approval of the 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.360 biodiversity stewardship site. 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.720 Option 2 A has an immediate contour rise 00:13:47.839 --> 00:13:50.839 of 30 mters from Kuma Road dropping 60 m 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.519 along Cavana Close a further 40 m to 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.120 Gerombra Creek and then rises 110 m over 00:13:58.399 --> 00:13:59.896 Inverona. 00:13:59.920 --> 00:14:01.896 These are impractical road and building 00:14:01.920 --> 00:14:04.920 costs with option 2B and 2C having 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:07.815 similar terrain. The distance from 00:14:07.839 --> 00:14:10.839 Gurgong Road to the Lion Drive Monero 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:12.856 Highway intersection is shorter than 00:14:12.880 --> 00:14:15.880 option 8, 1B, 5, and 2A. 00:14:16.880 --> 00:14:18.375 The traveling times would be 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.296 significantly higher through Dun Creek 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.935 Road, taking into consideration traffic 00:14:22.959 --> 00:14:25.336 density on Monero Highway from Isabella 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:27.656 Drive, the hilly terrain, and the low 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:30.216 speed limits due to property driveways 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.136 and the steep incline from Kerma Road 00:14:32.160 --> 00:14:35.160 and Enerona. 00:14:36.160 --> 00:14:39.016 a Gong resident survey undertaken in 00:14:39.040 --> 00:14:42.040 August 2024 indicated 12% of residents 00:14:43.199 --> 00:14:45.255 worked in Taganong. The remaining 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.055 residents worked central CRA, North CRA 00:14:48.079 --> 00:14:51.079 and Queen with 25% working from home. 00:14:51.920 --> 00:14:54.696 Option 2B and 2C are also a lot longer 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.615 in length taking into consideration the 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.639 travel along Old Kerma Road. 00:14:59.760 --> 00:15:02.216 The Stantech report only shows traffic 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:04.856 impacts to Gerabombra, not Gurgong, 00:15:04.880 --> 00:15:07.880 Queen, Burough, Fernley Park, etc. It 00:15:09.680 --> 00:15:11.576 will be inevitable that old Kuma Road 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:14.296 north and south will south will need to 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.320 be improved for future traffic loads. 00:15:18.160 --> 00:15:19.976 The compound financial loss of 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:21.656 compulsory or part compulsory 00:15:21.680 --> 00:15:23.576 acquisition cannot be adequately 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.055 compensated as a flow on effect of just 00:15:26.079 --> 00:15:28.055 having a road marked on your property 00:15:28.079 --> 00:15:30.696 immediately significantly affects the 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:32.615 market price for years after it's 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:34.216 mapped. 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.615 Any Dun Creek road through Fernley Park 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:38.216 would have a significant impact on 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.216 Fernley Park and neighboring properties. 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.536 Quite simply, it is impractic 00:15:42.560 --> 00:15:45.175 impractical and costly and the 00:15:45.199 --> 00:15:47.255 likelihood of little use. 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.416 Please consider the impacts of routes 2 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:52.440 A, 2B, and 2 C. Remove these options 00:15:52.800 --> 00:15:54.696 from the report and reconsider the 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.016 original route, option five, as the best 00:15:57.040 --> 00:15:59.416 option. Thank you. 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.440 Thank you. 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:06.040 The next presenter is Melinda Dwire. 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.720 Good evening everybody. Um, our Fley 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:22.696 Park home of 30 years has been 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.096 identified in the Stante report as the 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.656 directly impacted dwelling on the 2A 00:16:27.680 --> 00:16:29.175 option. 00:16:29.199 --> 00:16:31.096 Can you for a minute just visualize the 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.896 effect this news had on our family and 00:16:33.920 --> 00:16:35.735 the irony that our favorite family 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:37.976 movie, The Castle, has actually become 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.000 our sad reality. However, just as in the 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.495 castle, our community has rallied around 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.519 each other as evidenced by how many have 00:16:46.959 --> 00:16:49.255 here tonight, as well as the amount of 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:50.856 written submissions you've all received, 00:16:50.880 --> 00:16:53.880 and many have responded. Thank you. 00:16:53.920 --> 00:16:56.055 None of us ever thought that our idealic 00:16:56.079 --> 00:16:58.615 rural residential enclave would become 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:01.639 subject to the Dun Creek Road. 00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:04.680 Route 2A of the report suggests that 13 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.655 lots will be intersected and route 2B 00:17:07.679 --> 00:17:10.535 identifies 14 lots. At a guesstimate of 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.696 four family members on each of those 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.576 lots, the potential direct human comp 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:18.600 impact is 108 persons. 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.336 As Colleen said, that cannot be 00:17:21.360 --> 00:17:23.415 understated. 00:17:23.439 --> 00:17:25.736 And for what? just to shorten a travel 00:17:25.760 --> 00:17:27.895 route for a small percentage of Gong 00:17:27.919 --> 00:17:29.655 residents and to lessen the traffic 00:17:29.679 --> 00:17:32.679 impact on Gera Bombra. As my husband and 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:34.376 others have already pointed out, there 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:36.216 are far more practical and less 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.240 expensive ways to achieve this. I'm 00:17:39.280 --> 00:17:40.856 personally so angered that we've been 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.880 put in this predicament 00:17:44.080 --> 00:17:45.976 due to the mishandling of the original 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:49.000 Dun Creek Road by the previous council. 00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:51.816 And I'm so desperately want to believe 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:53.976 that you were all right or wrong in that 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.535 regard. 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.775 We've operated a small business in Queen 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.799 for 27 years. My husband has worked 12 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.696 hours labor intensive days ever since 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.775 the beginning. And here we are just 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.616 several years from retirement with the 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.576 threat of our home being bulldozed. 00:18:11.600 --> 00:18:13.336 Please try and understand we've lived in 00:18:13.360 --> 00:18:15.816 Fernley for over 30 years. Our children 00:18:15.840 --> 00:18:17.655 were brought home from Queenian Hospital 00:18:17.679 --> 00:18:20.296 to our home. We've helped nurse 00:18:20.320 --> 00:18:22.376 terminally ill family and friends within 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.856 its walls and have even interned my 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.576 parents' ashes under a tree where our 00:18:27.600 --> 00:18:30.456 wedding photos were taken. 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.775 I feel so sad for our younger neighbors 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.456 threatened with a road through their 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.936 block who paid a premium price to build 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:39.960 here only four years ago. Council also 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:41.976 approving the enormous and expensive 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.216 shed we've built to accommodate our 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.535 retirement projects only in the last 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.696 year or so. 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:50.775 I can't tell you how much this process 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.336 has affected our mental health and 00:18:53.360 --> 00:18:55.655 motivation to continue serving our 00:18:55.679 --> 00:18:57.655 community when everything we are working 00:18:57.679 --> 00:19:00.679 towards is under threat. We live in a 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.880 precious and biodiverse environment. Our 00:19:05.120 --> 00:19:07.256 active community Facebook page is full 00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:10.280 of nature appreciation, weather photos, 00:19:10.320 --> 00:19:13.320 and kindness. Young and old, we're a 00:19:13.360 --> 00:19:15.496 community of deep-seated pride and 00:19:15.520 --> 00:19:17.736 gratitude for where we live. 00:19:17.760 --> 00:19:19.576 So, please don't put a road through 00:19:19.600 --> 00:19:22.600 Fernley. Thank you. 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.456 Thank you. The next presenter is Michael 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.480 Doyle. 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:40.616 Thank you, Kendrick. I'm sure you didn't 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:41.895 put me at the bottom because I'm a 00:19:41.919 --> 00:19:44.456 Carlton supporter, but but it might 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:46.856 be appropriate because all of these 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.880 people are my friends, 35 years worth. 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.136 Thank you for the opportunity of 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.296 speaking tonight. we purchased, my 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:56.456 wife and I, Mandy, purchased our land 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.416 in 1990, raising three children at 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.336 Fernley Park. Prior to purchasing, we 00:20:01.360 --> 00:20:04.296 spoke to Bill Cape from RedAr who I knew 00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:06.376 and we were informed that there was no 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.456 road through Fernley planned or 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.480 interruption to it. Dun Creek Road was 00:20:11.760 --> 00:20:14.136 definitely on the had been proposed and 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.136 was to be joined at Gooong Dam Road 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.376 entrance. , and this has since been 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.296 vindicated by the council's minutes, 00:20:20.320 --> 00:20:22.296 your own council minutes, , 23rd of 00:20:22.320 --> 00:20:25.320 September, 2015, that council adopt 00:20:25.520 --> 00:20:27.976 option five alignment as the preferred 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.135 eastern alignment, including its 00:20:30.159 --> 00:20:32.056 connection to Oldk Kuma Road at the 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:35.080 intersection with Gong Road. Council's 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.440 words, not mine. , I became heavily 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.936 involved on the Fernley Park 355 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.576 committee for over 25 years and 15 of 00:20:43.600 --> 00:20:46.056 those as president. Um, and 00:20:46.080 --> 00:20:48.696 approximately 15 years ago, I was also 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.576 invited to view the Gooong Master 00:20:51.600 --> 00:20:54.456 Plan um with Tony Kerry and that um with 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.015 Pete and um and he asked me what I what 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.015 I thought of the plan. I said, "Well, 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:00.936 I've got it's really simple. I've got 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.655 three kids. They'll all need homes. So, 00:21:03.679 --> 00:21:05.496 as long as the development is thoughtful 00:21:05.520 --> 00:21:08.135 and considerate of Fernley, I believe it 00:21:08.159 --> 00:21:11.159 will bring mutual benefits. At no time 00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:13.416 was there a road suggested to impact the 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.176 Fernley Park and in particular 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.200 demolishing my friend's homes which I 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.240 feel very strongly about. Um the Fernley 00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:23.895 residents have taken a and and it is 00:21:23.919 --> 00:21:25.256 this group behind me. You know the 00:21:25.280 --> 00:21:27.655 Fernley residents have taken a tin shed 00:21:27.679 --> 00:21:29.736 to create a lovely community hall for us 00:21:29.760 --> 00:21:32.760 all to enjoy. Our 355 committee has over 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.655 overseen Fernley build into a strong 00:21:35.679 --> 00:21:38.376 inclusive and engaged community. This 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:40.216 has been evident due to the amazing 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:42.135 events held at the hall and multitudes 00:21:42.159 --> 00:21:45.159 of hirers enjoying our rural setting. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.655 Any roads through our community will 00:21:47.679 --> 00:21:50.135 divide a lifetime of community building 00:21:50.159 --> 00:21:53.159 work. the work was done by residents 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.976 with section 94 funds. Um but it's the 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.216 residents those residents that will be 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:01.240 deeply impacted by this. Um over the 00:22:01.679 --> 00:22:03.576 last 25 years, Fernley has also 00:22:03.600 --> 00:22:05.256 developed an extensive network of 00:22:05.280 --> 00:22:07.736 wildlife corridors through in excess of 00:22:07.760 --> 00:22:10.760 20 significant plantings resulting in 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:12.775 the many thousands of native trees 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:14.535 strategically planted for future 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:17.176 generations to enjoy. This has involved 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:19.015 partnerships with Queenian Land Care 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.655 Fernley personnel itself and and the 00:22:21.679 --> 00:22:24.679 scouts etc. We're asking councilors that 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.015 whilst we are a small collective, please 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:29.576 consider your role as representatives of 00:22:29.600 --> 00:22:31.416 the whole SH and not be coerced into 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:33.895 decisions from a larger surrounding 00:22:33.919 --> 00:22:36.376 communities in isolation. I believe that 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.400 as Gong Township grows, Fernley will 00:22:39.760 --> 00:22:42.456 continue to provide a critical rural 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.416 space for the Goo Guggonians 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.216 um to to access the large number of 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.135 children's parties that that have 00:22:50.159 --> 00:22:52.296 been held there in recent years. In 00:22:52.320 --> 00:22:54.296 closing, I'm I'm seeking support of this 00:22:54.320 --> 00:22:55.976 council to fight for what is right for 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:57.895 the community and at the appropriate 00:22:57.919 --> 00:23:00.456 time in the process to say no to options 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.176 2 A, 2 B, and 2 C. Thank you for your 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.200 time. 00:23:09.520 --> 00:23:11.176 Just making sure there's no more 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.200 presenters on 9.1 before we move on. 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:16.216 So the next presenter council then is 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.936 going to be Tim Lee on item 9.3 which is 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.176 the DA the two lot subdivision and 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:23.976 minimum lot size variation 53 Wilson 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.296 Street Bradley. 00:23:26.320 --> 00:23:28.696 Mr. Mayor councilors um I think I'm 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:30.456 the odd one out here tonight. I'm 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.256 actually speaking in favor of um the 00:23:33.280 --> 00:23:34.616 development that's before you tonight 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.256 for determination. my name is Tim 00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:38.856 Lee. I'm a registered practicing 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:40.696 architect based in Golden in New South 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:42.535 Wales. I'm speaking today on behalf of 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.616 my clients in relation to agenda item 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.640 9.3, the proposed two lot subdivision at 00:23:47.840 --> 00:23:50.456 53 Wilson Street in Braidwood. The 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:52.056 proposed subdivision will allow each 00:23:52.080 --> 00:23:53.655 existing resident separate Torrance 00:23:53.679 --> 00:23:55.655 title approval, creating two separate 00:23:55.679 --> 00:23:57.256 independent properties where there are 00:23:57.280 --> 00:24:00.280 now two basically joined on one lot. We 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.616 note the application is recommended for 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.616 conditional approval. However, I did 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.936 want to take an opportunity to speak to 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.616 the variation request that was part of 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.296 the application and that was 00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:12.456 specifically around the lot size. There 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:14.056 is a minimum lot size in the Braidwood 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:17.080 plan of 850 m. We have proposed the two 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.000 lots to be 708 m. The reason being it is 00:24:21.760 --> 00:24:24.760 actually a exact split of the lot. Um 00:24:25.679 --> 00:24:27.496 the justification for the reduced a 00:24:27.520 --> 00:24:30.056 lotment size focus directly on a 00:24:30.080 --> 00:24:31.895 comparison with general lot sizes within 00:24:31.919 --> 00:24:33.976 the area that the Wilson Street property 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.296 exists. There are no properties in that 00:24:36.320 --> 00:24:38.535 area that have an 850 square meter lot. 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:40.456 They're all well under that that lot 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:43.255 size. Um also emphasizing that this 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:44.856 particular application contains no 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:46.936 building work. It is purely a line on a 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:48.936 piece of paper to sub subdivide the two 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.096 properties. there is no variation to 00:24:51.120 --> 00:24:52.616 the streetscape and there is no impact 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:54.376 on the heritage value of the properties 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.535 and the heritage precinct in which they 00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:59.559 sit. Significantly, the lot subdivision 00:25:00.080 --> 00:25:02.616 does maintain capacity for each of the 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:04.936 created lots to meet the requirements 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.015 for solar access, vehicle and pedestrian 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:08.936 access, servicing and general site 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.416 amenity. I would also like to take a 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:13.655 moment to thank the planning 00:25:13.679 --> 00:25:15.336 department for their interactions with 00:25:15.360 --> 00:25:17.895 us in this process. Um it's unusual for 00:25:17.919 --> 00:25:20.535 me to um support planning departments in 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.616 my role is generally adversarial in a 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.015 lot of instances, but in this instance 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:26.856 um their their time they took with us 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.856 and the the time they put into getting 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.775 us across the line was was really really 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.535 appreciated by both myself and my 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.255 clients. So thank you very much and um 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:36.456 it was a pleasure to speak to you 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.976 tonight. 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.000 Thank you. 00:25:42.080 --> 00:25:44.135 The next presenter is going to be Marggo 00:25:44.159 --> 00:25:47.096 Saxar on item 12.1 which is a notice of 00:25:47.120 --> 00:25:49.176 motion on the Edwin Land Parkway speed 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.200 cushions. 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.216 Thank you Mr. Mayor councilors. My name 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:55.895 is Marggo Saxer. I'm the president of 00:25:55.919 --> 00:25:58.535 the Gerabombra Residence Association and 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.696 I'm speaking against the motion in item 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.255 12.1 tonight. 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:04.936 Following on from the email that I 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.736 shared with you last night, I just 00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:09.255 want to be really clear from the 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.176 beginning. The speed cushions are 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.200 working. They are slowing traffic down. 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.296 That's exactly what they were installed 00:26:16.320 --> 00:26:18.936 to do. These cushions are not an 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.856 isolated measure. They are part of a 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.535 broader package of traffic and 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.696 pedestrian safety improvements developed 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.720 for Gerab Bombra over a number of years. 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.775 That process has involved residents, the 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.799 JRA counselors, council staff, council's 00:26:34.159 --> 00:26:36.056 technical and projects team and 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:38.056 consultation even with the ACT 00:26:38.080 --> 00:26:40.456 government engineers who have experience 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.480 with similar um speed cushions. 00:26:43.840 --> 00:26:45.816 The locations of these cushions were not 00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:47.736 chosen randomly. that was selected as 00:26:47.760 --> 00:26:50.056 part of a considered traffic safety 00:26:50.080 --> 00:26:52.535 response with a focus on pedestrian 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:54.376 crossing points, roundabouts, and 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.616 reducing vehicle speeds across Jura 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.640 Bombra. Importantly though, these 00:26:59.679 --> 00:27:01.655 cushions were intended to operate as a 00:27:01.679 --> 00:27:04.679 12 month trial. Yet, after only 3 weeks, 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.096 council is being asked to remove three 00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:10.775 of them. 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.336 At this point, we simply do not have the 00:27:13.360 --> 00:27:15.736 data required to make an informed 00:27:15.760 --> 00:27:18.760 decision. The entire purpose of a trial 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.416 is to collect evidence over time with 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.736 vehicle speeds, traffic behavior, 00:27:23.760 --> 00:27:25.576 pedestrian safety outcomes, and 00:27:25.600 --> 00:27:28.216 community feedback and then assess 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:29.976 whether the treatment is working as 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.000 intended. We also know that further 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:34.775 traffic works associated with the 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.799 broader package of um measures has not 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.296 yet been completed and has actually been 00:27:40.320 --> 00:27:43.015 put on hold as a result of this motion 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:44.616 tonight. 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:46.775 So after years of planning, 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.535 consultation, technical input, and 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:50.936 council decision-making, removing part 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.736 of the solution just after 3 weeks would 00:27:53.760 --> 00:27:56.535 risk making council appear reactive 00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.255 rather than evidence-based. 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.279 If after a proper trial, the data shows 00:28:02.320 --> 00:28:04.135 that cushions need to be moved, 00:28:04.159 --> 00:28:06.535 modified, or removed, then council 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.375 should absolutely consider that 00:28:08.399 --> 00:28:11.399 evidence. But we're nowhere near that 00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:15.080 point right now. We know that the 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.200 traffic is slowing down. That it is a 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.616 positive safety outcome for pedestrians 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.296 and for the broader Gerabombra 00:28:22.320 --> 00:28:25.320 community. So tonight, counselors, I 00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:28.056 urge you to oppose this motion, allow 00:28:28.080 --> 00:28:30.775 the 12-month trial to continue, complete 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.176 the associated works, collect the 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:35.655 evidence, and then make a properly 00:28:35.679 --> 00:28:38.679 informed decision. Thank you. 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.440 I think that's it for speakers. 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.895 councilors, we will note that we also 00:28:51.919 --> 00:28:53.816 received 10 written submissions from 00:28:53.840 --> 00:28:55.895 Christine Kllum, Melinda Dwire, Paul 00:28:55.919 --> 00:28:58.616 Dwire, Colleen Cresensson, Amanda Doyle, 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:01.640 Michael Doyle, Adam Pilowski, RWP 00:29:01.760 --> 00:29:04.216 Hartley, Narell and Martin Lloyd, a 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.856 Fernley Park resident who would like 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:08.696 their name to be withheld. Donna 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.696 Wallace, Peter Wallace, John and Debbie 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.416 Rees. All submissions were for item 9.1 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.056 Dun Creek Road options review report and 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:18.535 all were against. 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:20.456 so two petitions were received for 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.535 this meeting councilors. So the first 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.775 petition concerning Dun Creek Road 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.416 advises that we the residents of Fernley 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.895 Park are totally opposed to any proposed 00:29:29.919 --> 00:29:32.456 Dun Creek Road stage 2 coming through or 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.936 near Fernley Park. The second petition 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.336 concerning Captain's Flat Waste Services 00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:39.176 requests that all previous services are 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.416 reinstated at Captain's Flat Waste 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:43.655 Transfer Station, including accepting 00:29:43.679 --> 00:29:46.216 local business waste. Both petitions 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:48.216 comply with council's petition policy 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.976 and are now considered table at this 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.856 meeting. In accordance with the policy, 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:54.696 the petitions will be distributed to the 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.616 appropriate operational area of council 00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:58.375 for consideration and to decide what 00:29:58.399 --> 00:30:00.535 action, if any, it will take on the 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.775 petition. The petition organizers will 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:04.535 be informed of council's decision within 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.559 21 days of tonight's meeting. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.895 Although there is no ability to debate 00:30:09.919 --> 00:30:11.655 the petitions here tonight, the petition 00:30:11.679 --> 00:30:13.736 organizers are able to speak to them and 00:30:13.760 --> 00:30:15.976 have registered to do so. So I call 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.616 forward Chris Kenyon to speak to the Dun 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.616 Creek Road petition to be followed by 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.775 Stuart Hilton to speak to the Captain's 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.576 Flat Waste Transfer Station petition. A 00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:27.255 reminder to both presenters that 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.895 tonight's meeting is livereamed. You'll 00:30:29.919 --> 00:30:31.015 have three minutes for your 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.856 presentations and there'll be a warning 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.880 bell at 2 and a half minutes. So Chris 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.640 Kenyon, 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:46.375 Mr. Mayor, councilors, Madame General 00:30:46.399 --> 00:30:49.096 Manager, council staff, good evening. 00:30:49.120 --> 00:30:52.120 You've heard from my neighbors, how 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.960 upsetting the idea that their homes, 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:58.216 their livelihoods 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.240 will be disrupted, destroyed by any road 00:31:01.919 --> 00:31:04.616 that goes through Fernley Park. I'm 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.296 going to give you a brief summary of 00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:09.096 what has been the the reasons behind the 00:31:09.120 --> 00:31:12.056 behind Ferley Park. Finley Park was 00:31:12.080 --> 00:31:15.080 established in 1987 nearly 40 years ago. 00:31:15.520 --> 00:31:17.336 It was declared to be a rural 00:31:17.360 --> 00:31:19.496 residential area which means it's a 00:31:19.520 --> 00:31:22.056 quiet place. There's no industry 00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:24.535 allowed. 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.559 It's situated on the west of Okumar and 00:31:27.919 --> 00:31:30.919 to the east of course is Gong Township. 00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:33.736 As other speakers have mentioned, Dun 00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:36.375 Creek Road has been around for about 30 00:31:36.399 --> 00:31:39.399 years at least and it if it is built, it 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.015 will only be a third way of getting from 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:46.039 Gong to the Manaro Highway. There are 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.616 already two way two roads which are 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.936 quite successful. 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.960 The Stantech Consulting Company has 00:31:54.159 --> 00:31:56.856 written a report for council which 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.736 provides options for where Dun Creek 00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:01.976 Road might go. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:03.976 Three or four of those go through Fley 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.000 Park. As you've heard, 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.576 the wording of the Stantech report is 00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:11.336 very misleading. 00:32:11.360 --> 00:32:13.096 They talk about dwellings being 00:32:13.120 --> 00:32:16.120 impacted, which as Melinda told you, 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:18.616 simply means the house will be 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.255 bulldozed. 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.279 What happens to the family? 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.799 There's more. Between 13 and 23 lots 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.279 will be intersected. 00:32:32.399 --> 00:32:35.399 That means between 13 and 23 lots of 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.200 land will have a road go through them. 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.336 Gardens will go, 00:32:43.360 --> 00:32:45.576 studios will go, workshops will go, 00:32:45.600 --> 00:32:48.600 stables will go, workshops will go, 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.519 and houses will be left close to a new 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.696 road, 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.720 destroying the environment that's been 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.056 so important to everybody who lives 00:33:00.080 --> 00:33:02.135 there. 00:33:02.159 --> 00:33:04.775 There's one other thing. 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.799 This report by Stantech is now open to 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.216 the public. 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:13.240 One has to ask what will the media make 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.960 of a council that is considering 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.799 a report which suggests 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.559 that destroying the homes and lives of 00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:28.600 people 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.720 might not be a bad idea. 00:33:31.919 --> 00:33:34.535 Putting a road through Fley Park or 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.559 close to Fley Park is nonsense and it 00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:40.375 serves the council well. 00:33:40.399 --> 00:33:43.336 to say no to any such prospect. We urge 00:33:43.360 --> 00:33:45.576 the council 00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:48.600 to decide not to put any Dun Creek Road 00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:53.080 through Fernley Park. Thank you. 00:33:57.840 --> 00:34:00.840 Thank you. And now Stuart Hilton. 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.119 , evening everyone. In 2023, iPart 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.800 approved a 64% increase with QPRC 00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:18.375 stating these increases would maintain 00:34:18.399 --> 00:34:21.399 our core services. Residents not happy 00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:23.416 moved on because core services would be 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.095 maintained with core services 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.416 traditionally being the three Rs, roads, 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.440 rates, rubbish. But without any notice, 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.216 services at Captain's Flat Waist 00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:34.855 Transfer Station were cut by over 90%. 00:34:34.879 --> 00:34:36.296 and people were turned away after 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.055 spending days loading trailers and 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.216 driving up to an hour. The residents 00:34:40.240 --> 00:34:42.375 were lied to and gas lit with managers 00:34:42.399 --> 00:34:44.135 as high as directors lying to each other 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.776 direct to other directors at QPRC saying 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.800 the services never existed. QPRC 00:34:49.919 --> 00:34:52.055 pretended to consult, but it was already 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.936 clear no services were to be reinstated. 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.855 An immediate increase in rubbish dumping 00:34:56.879 --> 00:34:58.856 occurred, polluting our town, native 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.256 bushland, and drinking water directly 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.280 due to QPRC's actions. Matters then got 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.696 worse with QPRC replacing our remaining 00:35:06.720 --> 00:35:08.776 services with very high bins, impossible 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.575 to lift a bin into in breach of section 00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.976 22 of the WHS act where structures have 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.000 to be designed to be safe for their use. 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:19.335 At this facility, users are covered by 00:35:19.359 --> 00:35:21.815 being other persons under the WHS act 00:35:21.839 --> 00:35:23.896 section 192 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:26.136 as proven by legal precedent Safe Work 00:35:26.160 --> 00:35:28.696 New South Wales versa Motors. The 00:35:28.720 --> 00:35:30.616 facility is now inaccessible for most 00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:32.616 people and if you drop a personal bin 00:35:32.640 --> 00:35:35.256 into a larger bin from a dangerously 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.176 unstable ute tray, you have to climb in 00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:38.936 the bin full of broken glass to recover 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.936 it. 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.896 QPC have left residents to figure out 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.736 this dangerous situation for themselves 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.616 against the law and basic common sense. 00:35:48.640 --> 00:35:50.456 Rather than make the facility safe and 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.055 restore the ethical responsible 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.656 services, the council's backroom 00:35:53.680 --> 00:35:56.136 response was to put signs put up signs 00:35:56.160 --> 00:35:59.160 saying people may die. a category 1 WHS 00:35:59.359 --> 00:36:01.896 offense where counselors, GMs, and 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:03.575 managers may be fined personally up to 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.256 $2 and a half million dollars and jailed 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.280 for up to 10 to 20 years. So, here I am 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:09.896 today to not only get our essential 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.815 waste services back and have them made 00:36:11.839 --> 00:36:14.456 safe, but to make my WHS complaint 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.536 public knowledge to assist anyone who 00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.616 that does become injured or regrettably 00:36:18.640 --> 00:36:21.640 dies. But having to do this is in breach 00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:24.680 of my WHS act section 271 right to be 00:36:25.040 --> 00:36:26.616 confidential. 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:28.456 Though I do believe the GM is now 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.376 committed to committed to discussing the 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.176 matter and a time will be arranged. 00:36:33.200 --> 00:36:34.856 Australia currently has the highest rate 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.416 of failing businesses ever with 40% in 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.976 New South Wales. QPRC are impacting 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.896 families, young couples renovating their 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:43.736 first homes, the pub, the club, the 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.496 general store, and numerous primary 00:36:45.520 --> 00:36:48.520 producers. I ask QPRC to return our 00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:50.536 essential waste services, make them 00:36:50.560 --> 00:36:52.456 safe, and get back to the free essential 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.176 RS of council. Thank you to the petition 00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:56.696 respondents, the counselors for their 00:36:56.720 --> 00:36:58.376 time and thank you to Bill Ward of House 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.400 for his assistance. Thank you. 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:08.776 Thank you. Councilors, are there any 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.016 petitions to be tabled for next ordinary 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:12.936 meeting? 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.856 No questions on notice were received for 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.776 this meeting regarding the special rate 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.936 variation. The questions from Matt Smith 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.696 were accepted. The responses have been 00:37:20.720 --> 00:37:22.376 circulated to counselors and now are 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.536 considered tabled at this meeting. The 00:37:24.560 --> 00:37:25.896 responses will be provided to the 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:27.496 submitter and included in the minutes of 00:37:27.520 --> 00:37:29.656 this public forum. There's no staff 00:37:29.680 --> 00:37:31.016 presentation. So councilors that 00:37:31.040 --> 00:37:32.696 concludes the public forum and we will 00:37:32.720 --> 00:37:34.696 reconvene the meeting. The first item 00:37:34.720 --> 00:37:36.136 for determination is going to be item 00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:39.160 9.1 which is Dun Creek Road options 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.736 review report. That's moved by councelor 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.896 McDonald and seconded councelor 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.920 Winchester. Councelor McDonald. 00:37:49.359 --> 00:37:51.496 thank you mayor. Can I start by 00:37:51.520 --> 00:37:54.520 thanking um everyone who is here tonight 00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.736 um all those who've spoken 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.456 and not just those who have spoken 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.095 tonight but those who have taken time 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.119 over um the last few years which I've 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:11.496 been involved as a friend of Fernley 00:38:11.520 --> 00:38:13.815 through the 355 00:38:13.839 --> 00:38:16.839 to make their position clear. And 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:20.040 let me say from the outset my 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.776 position which I've articulated to 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.335 individuals over coffees 00:38:25.359 --> 00:38:28.359 in at the Fley Park Hall and 00:38:31.040 --> 00:38:34.040 in various emails remains the same. I do 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.000 not support the options which would 00:38:39.680 --> 00:38:42.680 bisect u not biseect but trash 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.016 what is the existing Fernley Park and 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:50.040 they are options to A, B and C. 00:38:52.160 --> 00:38:54.296 Not 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.320 look I I appreciate you clapping one 00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.815 another but I can do without. So I I 00:38:59.839 --> 00:39:02.839 only got a limited time. All right. um 00:39:04.240 --> 00:39:07.240 the um the the paper which has the um 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.976 Duns Creek Road impacts table speaks for 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.696 itself. So if you're not convinced by 00:39:14.720 --> 00:39:17.335 the various impassion speeches from 00:39:17.359 --> 00:39:20.359 residents about how those three options 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.400 would destroy their lives and 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.176 livelihoods and the community that 00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:28.200 they've created. you need only look 00:39:28.240 --> 00:39:31.240 at any number of the of the impacts 00:39:33.839 --> 00:39:36.839 against the options that that I 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:41.320 believe are um 00:39:42.640 --> 00:39:45.640 that I believe tell the story as to 00:39:46.160 --> 00:39:49.160 why options 2 A, B and C are not 00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:52.376 applicable or ought not be. 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:53.896 Notwithstanding, 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.920 I move this report and as those here 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.696 may you know and and those here tonight 00:40:00.720 --> 00:40:03.256 understand 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.280 the report includes those options and I 00:40:07.680 --> 00:40:10.680 move it for a for a specific purpose. 00:40:11.359 --> 00:40:14.359 Now I appreciate Mr. Dwice um asked 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:18.616 for it to be excised, ask for them to be 00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:21.335 removed without that, 00:40:21.359 --> 00:40:23.575 without putting it out to a community 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.536 whereby we can have every single member 00:40:26.560 --> 00:40:29.256 of Fernley Park, including myself, make 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.280 submissions against those options, we 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.736 don't actually have a basis on which to 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.760 consider that. And so when funders and 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.575 we're talking substantial amount of 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.136 funding so we're looking at the state 00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:45.736 and the federal government are 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.760 considering the future or the of stage 00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:52.055 two they will want to know that we have 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.016 done our level best to consult with the 00:40:55.040 --> 00:40:58.040 community on all options and absent 00:40:59.040 --> 00:41:01.575 those options 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.456 I suspect the funer would go tell us to 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.536 go back to the drawing board and do it 00:41:06.560 --> 00:41:09.016 again. 00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:11.335 However, including those options, I 00:41:11.359 --> 00:41:13.496 anticipate that the sentiments that 00:41:13.520 --> 00:41:16.295 we've heard this evening, the 00:41:16.319 --> 00:41:18.936 conversations that I've had over many 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:20.456 years 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.480 and the submissions that we've received 00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:26.680 will be um articulated again more fully 00:41:28.240 --> 00:41:31.016 through a formal consultation process. 00:41:31.040 --> 00:41:34.040 And I had this conversation again 00:41:34.160 --> 00:41:37.160 this afternoon downstairs with some 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.599 Fernley Park residents and and I've 00:41:41.680 --> 00:41:44.680 um attempted to convey how I think we 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.416 best approach this 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.440 to to to other residents. I 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.800 apologize if I have um missed others. I 00:41:54.160 --> 00:41:57.160 can happily articulate my views in 00:41:58.319 --> 00:42:01.319 writing to you as well. 00:42:01.359 --> 00:42:04.136 I accept all of the original arguments. 00:42:04.160 --> 00:42:07.160 There was no paper road. Now that is a 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.440 process many um many moons ago and that 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.295 is very unfortunate because it did 00:42:14.319 --> 00:42:17.319 give rise to the the caveat or the or 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.976 or the encumbrance 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.000 by way of a diversity biodiversity 00:42:23.520 --> 00:42:25.335 offset. 00:42:25.359 --> 00:42:27.095 um 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.119 in the question of um what is I'm 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.856 going to get options lost here but I 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.880 think number five in terms of the um 00:42:36.560 --> 00:42:39.560 that one which would um use the Yeah, 00:42:40.720 --> 00:42:43.720 thank you Mara. Um which would use 00:42:44.560 --> 00:42:47.560 the um um the now encumbered land. 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.599 I would expect and I would hope and I 00:42:55.680 --> 00:42:58.680 ask that the process of of compulsory 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.456 acquisition through the just terms 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.616 compensation act which I imagine would 00:43:04.640 --> 00:43:07.335 be this very same rel or the reliance on 00:43:07.359 --> 00:43:10.359 the same um part of the legislation were 00:43:10.640 --> 00:43:13.640 any other option be pursued anyway be 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.920 considered because I've not had advice 00:43:17.359 --> 00:43:20.359 that I recall that has considered to 00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:23.416 its fullest extent the option for 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.295 compulsory acquisition of that offset to 00:43:26.319 --> 00:43:27.095 offset 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.656 councelor you're at 5 and a half minutes 00:43:29.680 --> 00:43:31.016 as the original mover you will get a 00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:34.040 chance I get I get another five say you 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.616 interrupted me all right look I I'm 00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:38.055 going to leave it there you know my 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.079 position mayor I will look forward to 00:43:42.240 --> 00:43:44.216 summing up after my colleagues have had 00:43:44.240 --> 00:43:46.696 their their say 00:43:46.720 --> 00:43:49.176 thank you councelor McDonald um I'm 00:43:49.200 --> 00:43:51.335 happy to second the motion I agree with 00:43:51.359 --> 00:43:52.536 basically absolutely everything 00:43:52.560 --> 00:43:55.176 councelor McDonald has has said 00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:57.896 today. Um so we're here as part of this 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.295 process that council needs to follow 00:44:00.319 --> 00:44:02.216 and we tried to explain this when we've 00:44:02.240 --> 00:44:03.896 met with residents. I've met with many 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.856 people in this room oneonone at Fernley 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.936 Park. We went we've met the Gong 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:10.696 residents, the Jera residents, South 00:44:10.720 --> 00:44:13.335 Jerobomra and trying to explain how 00:44:13.359 --> 00:44:15.976 we've ended up where we are right now in 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:17.656 this situation having this meeting 00:44:17.680 --> 00:44:19.656 looking at these various options and 00:44:19.680 --> 00:44:22.536 councelor McDonald is absolutely correct 00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:25.335 in relation to tonight is not the night 00:44:25.359 --> 00:44:27.416 to be saying only proceed down the path 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.440 with options whatever 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.480 we need to build a bank of evidence that 00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:36.295 um in relation to all of the routes that 00:44:36.319 --> 00:44:38.856 we do not prefer her. Um, so when we 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.536 have this inevitable battle, which I 00:44:40.560 --> 00:44:42.376 think we are going to have with people 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:43.815 within the New South Wales government 00:44:43.839 --> 00:44:45.896 and the biodiversity council or whoever 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.696 it may be, we need to prove beyond any 00:44:48.720 --> 00:44:50.456 doubt that we did absolutely everything 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.456 we could to look at all alternate 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.016 options and that they all need to be 00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:57.976 ruled out because of impacts A, B, C, 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.776 and D. One of them, a massive one, the 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.335 social impact of any route that's 00:45:03.359 --> 00:45:06.359 further south than the option five on 00:45:06.560 --> 00:45:08.295 the maps that a lot of you would have 00:45:08.319 --> 00:45:10.856 all seen. I know this is not an easy 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:12.616 process and I thank everyone for their 00:45:12.640 --> 00:45:15.496 engagement so far. Um, thank you 00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:17.016 specifically to the Fernley Park 00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:19.256 community. I know this is an emotional 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.656 and scary time for for a lot of you and 00:45:21.680 --> 00:45:23.575 it's a shame that we are here having 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.815 these conversations again very similar 00:45:25.839 --> 00:45:28.839 to a decade or or more ago we were 00:45:29.520 --> 00:45:31.416 having these conversations and for 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.136 whatever reasons whatever we wanted to 00:45:34.160 --> 00:45:36.696 happen and the paper road built on the 00:45:36.720 --> 00:45:38.696 preferred route that was decided way 00:45:38.720 --> 00:45:41.016 back then hasn't occurred and this is 00:45:41.040 --> 00:45:42.776 just part of that process we need to get 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:44.696 through and get out the other side to 00:45:44.720 --> 00:45:47.416 hopefully um progress that I've spoken 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.440 to a lot of you about how I envisage the 00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:52.136 process will go and the decisions 00:45:52.160 --> 00:45:53.976 council will take. I'm obviously only 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.976 one counselor, but you've heard from 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.656 councelor McDonald who seems to be on a 00:45:57.680 --> 00:46:00.216 very very similar path to my own on 00:46:00.240 --> 00:46:02.055 where I think we're going to land, but I 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.136 can't prejudge that. But I just 00:46:04.160 --> 00:46:07.160 encourage you all to um make 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.616 submissions when we when we come back to 00:46:10.640 --> 00:46:12.616 council in October. make your 00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:14.856 submissions, continue getting signatures 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.856 on the petition, 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.880 keep letting us know the impacts of 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.376 the different options. pull apart 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:23.736 this report that we're going to make 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.055 public. Pull holes in it. Tell us what's 00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:28.055 wrong with it. So, as I say, because 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.456 we're going to need to use this to work 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.176 together as a community, 00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:36.136 council, and the community together to 00:46:36.160 --> 00:46:38.216 get the outcome that should have been 00:46:38.240 --> 00:46:39.815 achieved or we thought would have been 00:46:39.839 --> 00:46:42.839 achieved um over a decade ago. I'll 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.496 invite further speakers. Council Willis. 00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:48.520 Thank you, Mayor. I have an amendment. 00:46:51.839 --> 00:46:52.216 Okay. 00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:52.936 It's just to 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:54.216 Can you read the amendment for us? 00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:57.240 Yep. So to add two further paragraphs, 00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:00.136 paragraph three, receive a further 00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:02.136 report on the potential of an improved 00:47:02.160 --> 00:47:04.456 public transport service to reduce 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.536 traffic volumes in particular at peak 00:47:06.560 --> 00:47:08.936 period travel periods and four 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.960 counselors undertake 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.400 oh that should read that council get rid 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.656 of counselors sorry undertake a site 00:47:17.680 --> 00:47:19.815 inspection of the route options through 00:47:19.839 --> 00:47:22.136 Fernley Park and I think I had said to 00:47:22.160 --> 00:47:24.295 the extent possible. 00:47:24.319 --> 00:47:26.616 in what I sent through I understand we 00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:28.216 it's not possible. 00:47:28.240 --> 00:47:30.776 Okay. Um before I ask for a second of 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.376 council Willis in relation to point 3, 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.400 do you mean specifically in the Gong and 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.456 southern part of this area or in 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:39.496 general? 00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:41.976 It's across the network. 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.295 Yeah, it's across the network. It's 00:47:44.319 --> 00:47:45.016 Yeah. 00:47:45.040 --> 00:47:48.040 Okay. Do we have a second? 00:47:49.359 --> 00:47:51.896 Councelor Willis Kip Wilson. Apologies. 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.575 Council Willis. Thank you, Councelor 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.599 Wilson. Um, I want to thank the 00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:58.696 residents who sent comments on the 00:47:58.720 --> 00:48:00.856 options report and who've turned up 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.880 tonight. I appreciate for for those that 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:05.656 who might be directly affected. This is 00:48:05.680 --> 00:48:08.536 a stressful matter. I'm supporting the 00:48:08.560 --> 00:48:10.376 release of the report so the entire 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.696 community has an opportunity to provide 00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:14.536 feedback. And you heard the mayor 00:48:14.560 --> 00:48:17.095 explain, it's important that we hear 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:18.776 from everyone. 00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.536 That said, I don't think it's feasible 00:48:20.560 --> 00:48:23.560 or desirable desirable to build Dun 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.599 Creek Road Part Two along any of the 00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:28.936 alignments considered in this report. 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.776 All of the road construction options 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.776 would harm the environment and erode 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.016 landscape values. 00:48:35.040 --> 00:48:36.856 Residents are rightly upset about the 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.936 possibility of a major road being built 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.095 through a residential rural setting. 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.016 Fernley Park community has already 00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:45.416 experienced significant changes from the 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.976 establishment of Gong Township. 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.055 Residents have told councilors how much 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:51.496 time and effort they have put into 00:48:51.520 --> 00:48:53.815 restoring the land and waterways. And 00:48:53.839 --> 00:48:55.896 I've seen this commitment firsthand, 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.456 month after month, year after year, 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.335 decade after decade. This effort 00:49:01.359 --> 00:49:03.016 contributes to the urgent work of 00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:05.656 reversing biodiversity loss and thereby 00:49:05.680 --> 00:49:07.416 delivers benefits to the wider 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.416 community. 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.416 The alignment options through Fermy Park 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:12.936 involve steep terrain and creek 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:14.936 crossings. It would be expensive and 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:16.776 technically challenging to construct a 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.335 road along any of them, including the 00:49:19.359 --> 00:49:21.736 original option five alignment, even if 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.896 council pursued that. The cost of 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.216 building Dun Creek Road is unaffordable. 00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:28.136 Council doesn't have the money now, nor 00:49:28.160 --> 00:49:30.055 is it likely to in the foreseeable 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.936 future. The cost estimates are based on 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.960 2023 values for a project proposed to 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.376 start construction 10 years later, which 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.776 means they are unreliable. 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.800 add then decades of maintenance and 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.616 depreciation costs which are actually 00:49:46.640 --> 00:49:49.640 referred to in the report. The 2023 00:49:50.319 --> 00:49:53.256 timing of works report states that every 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.496 few years the level of a service across 00:49:55.520 --> 00:49:58.136 the network is forecast to fall 00:49:58.160 --> 00:50:00.376 necessitating road works to restore the 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.776 level of service temporarily. Mr. 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.656 Kllum's right because this is an endless 00:50:05.680 --> 00:50:07.496 cycle of increased traffic, increased 00:50:07.520 --> 00:50:09.815 delays and increased road works. It's in 00:50:09.839 --> 00:50:12.535 the timing of works report. It seems to 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.535 me that this business's usual approach 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.456 to managing traffic demand is 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.456 irrational, particularly when the 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.216 environment is under increasing pressure 00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:22.456 from climate change and government 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.456 budgets cannot stretch to fund all the 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.256 things communities need. A growing 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.815 regional city cannot continue to re rely 00:50:29.839 --> 00:50:32.616 on a transport system that uses scarce 00:50:32.640 --> 00:50:35.016 public funds to underwrite limitless 00:50:35.040 --> 00:50:37.176 personal mobility regardless of the 00:50:37.200 --> 00:50:38.936 consequences. 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:40.936 If council decides not to build Dun 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.095 Creek Road, it could, according to this 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:44.936 report, undertake upgrades that would 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.095 improve traffic flows along Old Trimmer 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.335 Road and through Jerabombra, some of 00:50:49.359 --> 00:50:51.736 which are actually already in the work 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.416 plan. They're in the timing of works 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.335 report, which is a document that's been 00:50:55.359 --> 00:50:58.216 presented to council. Alongside these 00:50:58.240 --> 00:51:00.376 works, we need a much better public 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.376 transport system that can meet the 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:04.936 demands of a growing city. This report 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.016 is silent on the potential of moving 00:51:07.040 --> 00:51:09.095 people out of single occupant private 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.119 flight vehicles onto public transport, 00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:14.136 particularly at peak travel times when 00:51:14.160 --> 00:51:15.496 many people are going in the same 00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:18.136 direction at the same time and therefore 00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:20.216 the need for endless expansion of the 00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:22.456 road network where all of the social, 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.856 environmental, and economic impacts that 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:26.535 entails and we've heard some of them 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.095 tonight. My amendments seek more 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.176 information on this matter and an 00:51:31.200 --> 00:51:32.936 opportunity for councilors to see the 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:34.856 road alignments to the extent that we 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.456 can. Thank you. 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.136 Thank you, councelor Willis. Councelor 00:51:38.160 --> 00:51:39.256 Wilson. 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.280 thank you, Mayor. I am satisfied 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:44.136 and was wanted to hear councelor 00:51:44.160 --> 00:51:45.575 Willis's debate and I appreciate what 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.456 you had to say. I just wanted to address 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.216 the room in a bit. I actually thought 00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:51.736 about moving an amendment where we took 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.696 out 2 A, 2 B, and 2 C. And I think if we 00:51:54.720 --> 00:51:55.656 did that, I think there'd be some 00:51:55.680 --> 00:51:57.575 support around the table. But both 00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.016 Council McDonald and yourself have made 00:51:59.040 --> 00:52:02.040 a very strong case that we um we have to 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:04.936 go through this awkward dance. But I can 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:07.575 only imagine the impact of how hard that 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.736 letter hit and that report hit with 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.656 those families back there when you saw 00:52:11.680 --> 00:52:14.680 your house on that line. Um, so I want 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.535 to give that's why I want to get rid of 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:17.896 it really because that just gets rid of 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.216 the anxiety but in a way it actually 00:52:20.240 --> 00:52:22.295 might be a false get rid of because you 00:52:22.319 --> 00:52:23.815 know two years down the track you know 00:52:23.839 --> 00:52:25.656 people say what about Fernly Park you 00:52:25.680 --> 00:52:28.295 know so I just ask you to work with us 00:52:28.319 --> 00:52:30.856 to sit in this discomfort for the next 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.496 few months and know that we're with you 00:52:33.520 --> 00:52:36.520 and we'll um work in that space. , 00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:38.456 also just want to raise on behalf of 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:39.896 Jerab Bombber residents, I know we've 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:41.575 got Margo here and Margo, I'll move that 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.599 we'll go to 121 after this one. Um, but 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:46.856 , one of the options is the Jera 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.335 flyover and I think if residents in 00:52:49.359 --> 00:52:51.736 Rosewood Glenn Road in Jera knew that 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.656 we're going to have a Monero highway 00:52:53.680 --> 00:52:56.680 size fly over over the great , Jera 00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.575 roundabout I call Arctera, our own Arct 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.815 Triumph. Um, you know that that would 00:53:01.839 --> 00:53:03.416 have the same outrage. Could you imagine 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.095 the impact on house values and road 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.896 noise? I mean, it's just frankly 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.136 ridiculous, as is some of the Fernley 00:53:10.160 --> 00:53:12.936 Park options. So, I think this is a 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.575 report is a bit flawed, but I feel like 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:16.696 we're going to have to go through the 00:53:16.720 --> 00:53:19.335 dance of having that flawed feedback 00:53:19.359 --> 00:53:22.359 given to us. so, um there, as council 00:53:23.359 --> 00:53:24.776 noted, there are some things we might do 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:26.216 down the track, the Jerro roundabout, 00:53:26.240 --> 00:53:27.736 make it work more efficiently, like the 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.896 roundabout, Isabella Drive, down the 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.616 track, could be signalized, etc. 00:53:32.640 --> 00:53:33.815 we've tried getting rid of the big 00:53:33.839 --> 00:53:36.295 roundabout in Jera Bombra that's $60 00:53:36.319 --> 00:53:38.696 70 million and we don't have that 00:53:38.720 --> 00:53:40.295 community on board because we know as we 00:53:40.319 --> 00:53:41.416 know with the traffic cushions this is 00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:42.936 why we want to slow traffic there 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.136 because that's where everyone crosses to 00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:47.160 go to shops. So um I begrudgingly I 00:53:48.160 --> 00:53:49.736 suppose put this out I think as your 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:51.815 position is too mayor to put this out 00:53:51.839 --> 00:53:53.416 for community consultation but know that 00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.136 you are absolutely heard and this 00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:58.616 will not be a position we land in. Thank 00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:00.136 you, 00:54:00.160 --> 00:54:02.216 Councelor Preston. 00:54:02.240 --> 00:54:03.976 , just on the amendment, I had a 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:05.335 couple of questions if I may to start 00:54:05.359 --> 00:54:06.936 with, and then I'd like to make a few 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.960 comments um through you, Mayor. Um, what 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:11.736 work is currently underway within 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.335 council with respect to the public 00:54:13.359 --> 00:54:15.736 transport network in Queen [ __ ] Is there 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:18.760 any reviews currently underway? 00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:23.016 General Manager, 00:54:23.040 --> 00:54:24.776 , through Mr. may not we're aware of 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.016 there was the transport strategy which 00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:29.656 was recently completed um from transport 00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:31.736 from New South Wales and that's all 00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:33.656 and that was the nature of my second 00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:35.176 question which is what work is council 00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:37.335 aware of within other levels of 00:54:37.359 --> 00:54:39.416 government regarding public transport in 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.656 QPRC region and that was my 00:54:41.680 --> 00:54:43.256 understanding was that that that 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.095 strategy had been done so there is quite 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.575 a bit of work being done on that respect 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:49.095 so 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.119 I I I feel then perhaps that that um 00:54:53.839 --> 00:54:56.839 this debate might be a little bit um 00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.216 sidelined by trying to include these 00:55:00.240 --> 00:55:02.936 amendments in this. So I'm I'm not going 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.960 to support them. Um and just the 00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:09.720 comments that I would like to to make. 00:55:10.160 --> 00:55:13.095 first of all, I'd also want to thank 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.119 Wes, Colleen, Paul, Melinda, Michael, 00:55:16.319 --> 00:55:18.936 and Chris for their their heartfelt 00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.416 contributions this evening. Um there 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:23.896 Melinda in particular noted that this 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.920 was a a legacy issue um and the 00:55:27.359 --> 00:55:30.359 impact of not doing something properly 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.559 is clearly in evidence tonight. Um so 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.920 we do have to do this properly. Um I 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.440 agree wholeheartedly that options 2 A, B 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:44.040 and C are the wrong options. Um, but I 00:55:44.720 --> 00:55:46.616 do agree with the the comments of 00:55:46.640 --> 00:55:48.456 councelor McDonald and and Mayor 00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.535 Winchester that we do have to go through 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.055 this process and we do have to 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:55.079 understand that as councelor Wilson 00:55:55.839 --> 00:55:57.496 said, we need to sit in this discomfort 00:55:57.520 --> 00:56:00.136 for a while until we we get that process 00:56:00.160 --> 00:56:03.095 right. Um, so thanks for coming and 00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.055 putting your your um your your 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.079 positions. , they were well heard. Um, 00:56:09.359 --> 00:56:12.359 and we are not making a decision on on a 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.616 route tonight. what we are doing is 00:56:14.640 --> 00:56:17.496 providing another powerful opportunity 00:56:17.520 --> 00:56:20.520 for those impacted to have another say 00:56:21.520 --> 00:56:23.896 and I do understand that that is yet 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.920 another impost on you to do this um and 00:56:27.520 --> 00:56:30.520 while that is that is true u I I'd like 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.920 that you should see this as a as as a 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.416 a very effective and very powerful 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.896 opportunity to persuade the powers that 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.216 be that that that we can get a better 00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:45.240 outcome for all of you. Um so um be 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:47.815 supporting the the motion as it was 00:56:47.839 --> 00:56:49.656 originally written. 00:56:49.680 --> 00:56:51.335 Thank you. Is there further discussion 00:56:51.359 --> 00:56:53.416 on the amendment? 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.176 Councelor Broadbent. 00:56:55.200 --> 00:56:56.775 yeah, look, I'm not going to make any 00:56:56.799 --> 00:56:59.176 more comments on the Duns Creek um 00:56:59.200 --> 00:57:01.496 situation. I feel exactly the same as 00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:04.520 the rest. So um you'll see that in my 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.559 vote tonight. Um on this amendment, um I 00:57:07.680 --> 00:57:09.976 tend to agree with Councelor Preston. Um 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.000 I do really want to focus this this 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:15.976 vote on on the topic at hand which is 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:19.000 the the st stand report. I 00:57:19.040 --> 00:57:21.736 understand the desire to I guess 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:24.535 essentially look at other options. 00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:27.176 the question around you know whether we 00:57:27.200 --> 00:57:29.335 need a road or what not I think is a is 00:57:29.359 --> 00:57:32.359 a higher level one that is outside of 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:34.216 the discussion around the the specific 00:57:34.240 --> 00:57:37.240 location of that road. And I think as we 00:57:38.240 --> 00:57:39.736 go through the journey there, there will 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:41.496 be times when we can come up and and 00:57:41.520 --> 00:57:44.376 start start to look at the the other 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.055 I guess public transport options, but I 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:47.335 won't be supporting this specific 00:57:47.359 --> 00:57:50.216 approach um for this amendment. Um and 00:57:50.240 --> 00:57:52.775 I'll I'll fall back on the the other 00:57:52.799 --> 00:57:55.335 motion as it comes up. Thank you. 00:57:55.359 --> 00:57:56.775 Thank you, Councelor Broadman. Is there 00:57:56.799 --> 00:57:59.799 further discussion on the amendment? 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.976 I'll just speak to just very briefly 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:03.896 noting the fact that the GM's pointed 00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.920 out that we the point for in relation 00:58:08.319 --> 00:58:09.736 to the inspections that's going to 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:11.736 happen anyway. So we don't really need 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:13.176 that. The GM was already going to 00:58:13.200 --> 00:58:14.696 arrange that. We've spoken to residents 00:58:14.720 --> 00:58:17.176 about that and I'm just concerned that 00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:19.656 by adding anything to to the motion 00:58:19.680 --> 00:58:21.256 we're getting we're getting sidetracked. 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:22.936 So, I'm going to vote against the 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:24.775 amendment, though I don't necessarily 00:58:24.799 --> 00:58:26.616 disagree that we absolutely need to be 00:58:26.640 --> 00:58:28.055 doing what we can to encourage more 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.055 public transport and keep him off our 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.295 roads. Is there further discussion on 00:58:32.319 --> 00:58:33.256 the amendment? If I'm going to ask 00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:35.095 councelor Willis to sum up debate on her 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.416 amendment. 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.440 Thank you. so if you look at the 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.295 timing of works report and you 00:58:42.319 --> 00:58:45.016 understand like there is an argument 00:58:45.040 --> 00:58:47.656 in the Stantech report about the problem 00:58:47.680 --> 00:58:50.376 of the east west traffic route in 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.095 addition to the growth of housing in 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.176 captain round to from here to captain's 00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:58.136 flat at bangor and braidwood and that 00:58:58.160 --> 00:59:00.535 traffic comes to queen it has to go 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.856 somewhere a lot of it wants to get 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:05.880 across to canra it's not feasible in my 00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:09.160 view to tell people in fern ly park. 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.496 we won't put a road through your 00:59:11.520 --> 00:59:14.520 community. It's not feasible to then 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.775 say, "Oh, we'll ask the government to 00:59:16.799 --> 00:59:19.416 put it through a biodiversity offset 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.440 area, which is now a really successful 00:59:22.640 --> 00:59:25.640 wildlife refuge, which was part of the 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:27.976 offset for building Dun Creek Road. 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.000 Like, it's not a surprise. It's there. 00:59:31.359 --> 00:59:33.416 And if it's and if we're not going to do 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.295 those things, what are we going to do? 00:59:36.319 --> 00:59:39.095 We need the improvements that are 00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.119 suggested in this report. Um, what I'm 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:44.616 pleased with this report is it's 00:59:44.640 --> 00:59:47.095 actually looked seriously at the options 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.095 for not building the road. What else? 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.575 What other road works could be done, the 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.176 some of the constraints and the 00:59:53.200 --> 00:59:56.200 costings. It hasn't just dismissed them 00:59:56.240 --> 00:59:59.240 as well, they're they're not feasible. 00:59:59.680 --> 01:00:02.295 But we can't keep relying on this 01:00:02.319 --> 01:00:05.095 old-fashioned idea that we can just keep 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:07.656 accommodating more and more vehicle 01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:10.055 traffic because this is the consequence. 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:12.376 We get we're put in a position where 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.335 we're told to trade off, you know, a 01:00:15.359 --> 01:00:18.136 rural residential community which should 01:00:18.160 --> 01:00:21.160 not have had to deal with this issue 01:00:21.200 --> 01:00:23.656 because someone did make a mistake. They 01:00:23.680 --> 01:00:26.216 didn't put that alignment on a 01:00:26.240 --> 01:00:28.295 registered planning document. otherwise 01:00:28.319 --> 01:00:31.256 we would not be here. Right? So it is 01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:34.136 not fair to these people but it's also 01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:37.160 not possible to say we won't build a 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.496 road through that that community and 01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:42.295 we'll just somehow we'll absorb the 01:00:42.319 --> 01:00:44.696 traffic. We need a much better public 01:00:44.720 --> 01:00:46.456 transport system. It's the state 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.016 government that sets the the population 01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:51.496 targets for our community. It's their 01:00:51.520 --> 01:00:53.496 responsibility to give us a public 01:00:53.520 --> 01:00:56.456 transport system that's fit for a 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.456 growing regional city because it it has 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.696 improved but it's nowhere near good 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:03.720 enough to get more people using it in 01:01:03.839 --> 01:01:06.839 lie of getting an old car. There's a 01:01:07.359 --> 01:01:08.616 piece of information one of the 01:01:08.640 --> 01:01:10.936 residents sent us in his submission 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.496 which refers to a Gong resident survey 01:01:13.520 --> 01:01:16.520 from 2024 that said 25% of people in the 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.176 workforce who live in Gong work from 01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:22.200 home. Now we haven't explored any of the 01:01:22.799 --> 01:01:25.256 um assumptions that are in the this idea 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.896 in the modeling about the traffic flows 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.856 and that's what my request in point 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:33.736 three is getting towards because the 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.760 assumption in the Stantech report is 01:01:37.040 --> 01:01:39.416 more people will come more they'll use 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:41.656 more cars let's how will we accommodate 01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:44.136 them and quite frankly it's very clear 01:01:44.160 --> 01:01:47.095 we can't afford to keep doing that. 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:48.856 Thank you. Councelor Willis. I'll put 01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:50.136 the amendment. Those in favor of the 01:01:50.160 --> 01:01:52.616 amendment, , councilors Waterhouse, 01:01:52.640 --> 01:01:54.376 Willis, and Wilson, and against, the 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.136 council's Broadbent, Grundy, McDonald, 01:01:56.160 --> 01:01:57.896 Preston, Schwack, Tescos, and 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.376 Winchester. I declare it lost. We are 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:01.575 back to the original motion. Is there 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:03.416 further discussion on the motion? 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:05.095 Councelor Grundy. 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.095 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:09.335 I would like to start by saying that I 01:02:09.359 --> 01:02:12.359 will always put people's homes, health, 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:15.256 and lives before an offset, and I'll 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:18.280 make no apology for that. Um, I'm ve 01:02:18.799 --> 01:02:21.799 vehemently opposed to options 2 A, 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:26.119 B, and C. Um, but I do see the merit in 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.295 retaining them tonight because it does 01:02:30.319 --> 01:02:33.319 allow C council to build a stronger case 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.016 against them so that the best possible 01:02:37.040 --> 01:02:40.040 case can be built um ultimately throwing 01:02:40.799 --> 01:02:42.535 them off the table. So I can see the 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.559 merit in that. I would like to stress 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.559 however that in putting the options out 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.480 to the public tonight. 01:02:54.240 --> 01:02:56.535 Um there there will be a consequence for 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.016 that and I want all counselors to be be 01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:02.040 mindful if they aren't already that um 01:03:02.720 --> 01:03:05.416 that consequence is that Fernley Park 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:08.216 property values and confidence in 01:03:08.240 --> 01:03:10.936 property values will be significantly 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.960 affected. so ultimately I would like 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:18.119 this matter to be addressed as 01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:20.856 quickly as possible as swiftly as 01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.880 possible so that residents in Fernley 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.000 Park do are not subjected over an 01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.736 extended period of time to the anxiety 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.896 of not knowing what is going to happen 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.920 to their property prices and property 01:03:35.680 --> 01:03:38.680 values. So with that said um I will 01:03:39.680 --> 01:03:41.976 leave things at that. I'm ve vehemently 01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.000 opposed though to options 2 A, B, and C. 01:03:46.640 --> 01:03:48.055 Thank you, Councelor Grundy. Is there 01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:49.256 further discussion on the motion? 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.015 Council Waterhouse. 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.039 Yes. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I believe the no 01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:57.240 Dun Creek Road option is not very 01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.280 fully expanded upon in this particular 01:04:00.319 --> 01:04:03.319 document. Um, and I believe that 01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:07.095 there's already a road that services um 01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:10.055 that area and it goes north and south. 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:12.936 And I do believe that um a great deal of 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:15.960 further investigation should be taken of 01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:17.736 um improving the intersection of the old 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:20.216 Kuma Road and the Monero 01:04:20.240 --> 01:04:23.095 highway and and to the north the 01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.575 intersection at Carabar and then on to 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:28.216 the roundabout Jera as as councelor 01:04:28.240 --> 01:04:31.240 Wilson referred to um as as a as a far 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:34.616 more sensible outcome. The roads are 01:04:34.640 --> 01:04:36.696 already there. Um, I believe we should 01:04:36.720 --> 01:04:39.720 fix them up and not try to build a a new 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:43.079 and complicated road across at 01:04:44.640 --> 01:04:47.176 all. Thank you. Thank you, Council 01:04:47.200 --> 01:04:48.616 Waterhouse. Is there further discussion 01:04:48.640 --> 01:04:49.815 on the motion? 01:04:49.839 --> 01:04:51.335 If not, I'm going to give Councilman 01:04:51.359 --> 01:04:54.359 McDonald the opportunity to sum up. Do I 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:56.696 need to time it? 01:04:56.720 --> 01:04:59.720 No, I'll behave this time. I promise. 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.535 Um, 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:05.559 mayor, I I hope those listening tonight 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.176 um take some comfort in the debate 01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:11.976 because the papers probably have 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.000 provided none of that. And in individual 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.176 conversations which I might have had or 01:05:17.200 --> 01:05:19.736 you might have had um they are just 01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:22.760 that. But I would hope that there is a 01:05:24.160 --> 01:05:26.535 degree of understanding 01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:29.559 from the disposition of my colleagues 01:05:30.640 --> 01:05:33.640 in this chamber as to why we want to 01:05:34.720 --> 01:05:37.720 go through this process which 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.079 isn't nice. because it does provide 01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:44.200 us the the worstc case scenarios 01:05:46.640 --> 01:05:49.640 to to um to comment on and provide us 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:52.936 with an opportunity to develop an 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:54.856 evidence bank 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.880 because if I were the federal 01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:01.815 minister or the state minister and 01:06:01.839 --> 01:06:04.839 considering whether to fund a project 01:06:05.359 --> 01:06:07.015 and I looked at this council's 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:09.736 documentation that said overwhelming ly 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.456 and I have no 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.480 no reason to expect it will be otherwise 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.136 overwhelmingly 01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:20.936 residents are opposed to those three 01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:23.736 options then I would not take my 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:26.760 checkbook near it. So that is one 01:06:27.680 --> 01:06:30.535 benefit from from the process by which 01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.559 we um um are are pursuing 01:06:35.520 --> 01:06:38.520 the question of property prices. I I 01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:42.200 think is is real and and I I I think 01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.960 this process is one by which we can um 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.880 can ameliorate or or or dispel that 01:06:50.319 --> 01:06:52.696 because when we can categorically rule 01:06:52.720 --> 01:06:55.496 something out down the track, it will 01:06:55.520 --> 01:06:58.520 then say to um funders and banks and and 01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.880 and landholders and whomever else, well, 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.535 council has considered these options. 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:07.559 They are neither economically viable nor 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.416 viable from a um development of 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:13.815 infrastructure position nor are they 01:07:13.839 --> 01:07:15.815 palatable to the community and therefore 01:07:15.839 --> 01:07:18.839 the likelihood of them happening is um 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.416 zero to none. 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.440 Now, before you cut me off after my 01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.880 extended introduction, um there was I 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.400 was going to remark on the the the fact 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.575 that I think Miss Dwire made a point 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:36.599 about the castle and it is in fact a 01:07:36.720 --> 01:07:39.720 point I also make about the relevant 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:41.896 piece of legislation. I think it was a 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:43.815 different jurisdiction but but within 01:07:43.839 --> 01:07:46.839 those the just terms compensation act 01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:50.616 and and compulsory acquisition I 01:07:50.640 --> 01:07:53.640 do think we ought to um consider 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:59.400 that as our first as our first 01:08:00.160 --> 01:08:03.160 position and and and more fully 01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:06.920 and on receipt of the of the 01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.656 opposition of the the large amount of 01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:14.680 opposition to options 2 A, B and C which 01:08:14.720 --> 01:08:17.720 I will add to as a resident I am 01:08:20.480 --> 01:08:23.335 of of the area I am equally as entitled 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:25.576 to make a submission to a council 01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.536 process and I undertake to do so and 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.016 you'll have my full support in 01:08:31.040 --> 01:08:34.040 opposing those options. 01:08:34.480 --> 01:08:37.480 Um I um 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.655 I I believe we'll be in a good position 01:08:41.679 --> 01:08:44.215 following that process in in a few 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.239 months time to to give back to the 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.295 residents of Fernley Park the 01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.936 assurance that this council is on 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:55.960 their side and that options pursued now 01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:59.560 and into the future will not um damage 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:03.159 their ways of life as those three um 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:05.335 options board. 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:06.376 Okay, I'm going to put the motion 01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:09.016 council. All those in favor 01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:11.096 that is unanimous and carried. 01:09:11.120 --> 01:09:12.616 Councilors, what I'm going to do now is 01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:14.215 I'm going to adjourn the meeting, allow 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:16.775 people to leave if they so choose and 01:09:16.799 --> 01:09:18.695 can be loud on the way out and we're 01:09:18.719 --> 01:09:20.376 going to reconvene in 5 minutes. And 01:09:20.400 --> 01:09:22.295 when we reconvene, we're going to move a 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:23.976 procedural motion to bring forward items 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:26.775 9.3 and 12.1 and then get on with the 01:09:26.799 --> 01:09:28.135 rest of the meeting. So, thank you for 01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:29.655 those that are departing now for coming 01:09:29.679 --> 01:09:32.679 tonight. 01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:34.135 Okay, councilors, we're back live. 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:35.496 Councelor Wilson, you're going to move a 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:37.255 procedural motion to bring forward items 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:39.255 9.3 and then 12.1. 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:40.215 Yes, thank you may 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:41.896 and councelor Broadren has seconded 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:43.016 that. I'm going to put that motion 01:09:43.040 --> 01:09:44.936 counselors and that is unanimous and 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:47.960 carried. So 9.3 is the DA 01:09:49.120 --> 01:09:52.120 even too fast for me. The DA two 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:56.056 lot subdivision and minimum lot size 01:09:56.080 --> 01:09:58.376 variation 53 Wilson Street, Braidwood. 01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:00.296 Do we have a mover? Councelor Wilson 01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:01.976 seconded. Councelor Waterhouse. Council 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:02.616 Wilson. 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.456 , thank you, Mayor. I I just quickly 01:10:04.480 --> 01:10:06.376 thank our presenter and the staff for 01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:08.536 putting the report together. I I I think 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:10.456 it's a one I'm happy to support. Thank 01:10:10.480 --> 01:10:11.576 you, 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:13.496 Councelor Waterhouse. Yes. Thanks very 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.256 much, Mr. Mayor. I'm very familiar with 01:10:15.280 --> 01:10:17.496 the property. It's very very sensible. 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:19.976 It's two distinct separate dwellings. 01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:22.376 Um, and it fits perfectly with the with 01:10:22.400 --> 01:10:24.616 the streetscape and I and I recommend 01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:26.856 it. And thank you to for the presenter. 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:28.296 Well done. And thank you for the staff 01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:30.776 who have been so helpful. 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.336 Is there further discussion? 01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:34.776 If not, I'll put the motion. All those 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.016 in favor, that's unanimous and carried. 01:10:37.040 --> 01:10:38.936 We're now going to deal with item 12.1. 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:41.960 Councilors 01:10:46.719 --> 01:10:49.719 12.1 is the notice of motion from myself 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:51.896 and I'll be moving as per the business 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:53.655 paper. And do I have a second? 01:10:53.679 --> 01:10:56.679 Councilors, 01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:05.175 councelor Waterhouse. Thank you, Council 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:07.736 Waterhouse. 01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:09.736 So, councilors, as per my comments in 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:11.496 the notice of motion, three speed 01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.736 cushions on the Edwin Parkway need to be 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.336 removed and I seek your support this 01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:17.336 evening to make this happen post haste. 01:11:17.360 --> 01:11:18.776 They need to be removed because while 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:20.695 attempting to make the ELP safer for 01:11:20.719 --> 01:11:22.856 pedestrians, we have inadvertently ended 01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:24.536 up with a situation where the road is 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:26.695 actually now less safe for pedestrians 01:11:26.719 --> 01:11:28.376 and the thousands of motorists who 01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:31.175 utilize the road every day. These three 01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:32.776 cushions are part of a larger traffic 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.175 campaign, one which will increase safety 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:37.096 in suburban parts of Jeroba on major 01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:39.576 roads that traverse the suburb and that 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.135 is a great outcome and kudos to everyone 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:44.456 involved including Margo and the JR for 01:11:44.480 --> 01:11:46.215 their efforts. The roads that have 01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:47.816 received treatment such as Howerin and 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.376 Brunettle and Waterfall etc are suburban 01:11:50.400 --> 01:11:52.296 streets with driveways and everything 01:11:52.320 --> 01:11:54.456 else you would expect from a road within 01:11:54.480 --> 01:11:57.256 a suburb. However, the Edwardland 01:11:57.280 --> 01:11:59.816 Parkway which basically dissects Jerobra 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:01.896 is not a suburban road. It is not the 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.816 same as Halerin or Viceennial or 01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:06.056 Waterfall. It is an arterial road used 01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:08.456 by thousands of road users every day to 01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:11.175 get to and from in most cases the Monero 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:13.175 highway. 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:14.695 Now if we have read in the written 01:12:14.719 --> 01:12:15.976 presentation we all received that the 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.576 cushions are slowing traffic down and 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.816 they certainly are. However, what was 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:21.576 not included in that is traffic is 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:24.215 already traveling at 20 km hours per 01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:27.239 less per hour 20 km per hour less than 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:29.336 previously as a speed limit through this 01:12:29.360 --> 01:12:31.576 section of the ELP was recently reduced 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:33.816 from 70 to 50. A number normally 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.056 reserved for suburban streets. This 01:12:36.080 --> 01:12:37.976 section of road is already infinitely 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:39.976 more safe due to this reduction. a 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:41.976 reduction that we may see may actually 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.056 need to revisit as a council as the 01:12:44.080 --> 01:12:45.736 reduction is seen by many in the 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.760 community as excessive. Now, the the 01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.096 three cushions my motion focuses on were 01:12:51.120 --> 01:12:53.416 all installed on the ELP approximately 3 01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:55.576 weeks ago, and they caused immediate 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.576 confusion and angst among the community 01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:59.736 from day one. And while we might may not 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:01.655 like it, councils, social media is an 01:13:01.679 --> 01:13:03.096 important way for councilors to gauge 01:13:03.120 --> 01:13:05.416 community sentiment and feedback ons. 01:13:05.440 --> 01:13:07.655 For anyone paying attention, the almost 01:13:07.679 --> 01:13:09.416 unanimous feedback regarding these 01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:12.440 cushions on the ALP, not the cushions on 01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:14.776 other streets, but specifically the ALP, 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:16.376 has been that they are dangerous and 01:13:16.400 --> 01:13:19.400 need to be removed. The content is there 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:21.576 are specific examples cited of near 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:23.655 misses, and I fear that this will soon 01:13:23.679 --> 01:13:26.456 become actual examples. So, a lot of you 01:13:26.480 --> 01:13:28.135 won't be as familiar with Edwin Land 01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:31.096 Parkway as myself. And so for the 01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:32.695 councils that aren't from the Queenian 01:13:32.719 --> 01:13:34.856 area, I just want to talk you through 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:35.976 what happens when you drive along the 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.536 Edinwood Parkway. Now, as you travel 01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:41.016 westbound towards Jerobomb, there's a 01:13:41.040 --> 01:13:42.616 crossing point shortly after the crest 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:44.215 of the hill. This crossing point has 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:46.215 foot paths leading up to it. Is a 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:47.976 potentially much more dangerous crossing 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.856 spot than than others on the ALP. And 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.496 the speed limit here is still 70 and is 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.416 at a point just after motorists heading 01:13:55.440 --> 01:13:57.896 west have merged and is just after the 01:13:57.920 --> 01:13:59.496 divided road actually ends. So 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:01.175 pedestrians need to cross both lanes of 01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.416 traffic in one go. There are upgrades 01:14:03.440 --> 01:14:05.256 planned for this section. However, 01:14:05.280 --> 01:14:07.736 thankfully no proposed speed cushions. 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:09.576 Then as you proceed further and approach 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.816 a small roundabout at Stringy Bark, the 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.296 speed limit reduces to 50, which results 01:14:14.320 --> 01:14:16.616 in the majority of law-abiding drivers 01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:18.376 decreasing their speed as they would 01:14:18.400 --> 01:14:20.536 anyway as you approach the intersection. 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.296 As you get closer to the roundabout, you 01:14:22.320 --> 01:14:24.536 go past another popular crossing point 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.376 which has footpaths leading up to it on 01:14:26.400 --> 01:14:29.400 both sides of the road. And then after 01:14:29.440 --> 01:14:31.896 going past this crossing point, you now 01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:33.896 encounter a speed cushion, which is 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:35.976 number three, my motion, which causes 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.896 motorists to slow to approximately 10ks 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:40.135 per hour to traverse. And good, some of 01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.296 you might say. However, there is no 01:14:42.320 --> 01:14:45.016 actual safety benefit to pedestrians as 01:14:45.040 --> 01:14:47.016 you've already gone past the crossing 01:14:47.040 --> 01:14:49.016 point. On the other side of this 01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:50.695 roundabout, on the other side of the 01:14:50.719 --> 01:14:53.096 road, cushion number two in my motion 01:14:53.120 --> 01:14:54.936 serves no purpose in relation to 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.096 pedestrian safety as there is no 01:14:57.120 --> 01:14:58.856 crossing point here. There are no 01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:01.175 footpaths. This cushion is totally 01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:02.776 superolous and does not improve 01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:05.256 pedestrian safety. Speed cushion number 01:15:05.280 --> 01:15:06.936 one, which is perhaps the most 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:08.536 contentious and definitely the most 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.336 dangerous, is located a short distance 01:15:11.360 --> 01:15:13.416 after motorists have exited Jeroba 01:15:13.440 --> 01:15:16.135 circle. The speed cushion is this speed 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:18.376 cushion is already resulting in near 01:15:18.400 --> 01:15:20.456 misses in regards to nose to tail 01:15:20.480 --> 01:15:22.456 collisions at peak period and at peak 01:15:22.480 --> 01:15:25.096 periods we're seeing queuing back 01:15:25.120 --> 01:15:27.816 towards Jerobomra circle 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:29.816 when it reaches Jerombra circle and 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:32.215 let's hope it never does they can only 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:34.215 imagine how dangerous that becomes for 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.239 anyone using that roundabout. We heard 01:15:37.360 --> 01:15:38.936 about engineers picking the spots for 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.096 these speed cushions to go. I'm racking 01:15:41.120 --> 01:15:42.536 my brain trying to think of a speed 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.175 cushion that has ever been put in after 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:46.936 you've gone through a roundabout and are 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.416 on the other side. The primary issue 01:15:49.440 --> 01:15:51.736 here though is about pedestrians. Now 01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:54.135 pedestrians are entering the road as 01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:56.056 they are confusing this crossing point 01:15:56.080 --> 01:15:58.616 as an actual pedestrian crossing and 01:15:58.640 --> 01:15:59.896 they are failing to give way to 01:15:59.920 --> 01:16:02.456 motorists. Councilors, it's a recipe for 01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:04.456 disaster. There's anecdotal evidence 01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:06.536 through social media forums of near 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:09.096 misses at this location already. both no 01:16:09.120 --> 01:16:11.256 sedale no satale and involving 01:16:11.280 --> 01:16:12.856 pedestrians 01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:14.936 the speed cushion has result in false 01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:16.936 false confidence for some pedestrians 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:19.576 who are who are assuming cars are going 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:21.496 to stop for them they're not stopping 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:23.096 they're slowing down for the cushion and 01:16:23.120 --> 01:16:25.016 they're continuing to go I'm very 01:16:25.040 --> 01:16:26.856 concerned about what's going to happen 01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:28.376 unless we do something about this 01:16:28.400 --> 01:16:30.616 situation we heard and talked about 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:33.256 there being a 12-month trial to put data 01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:35.655 together to come up with the everything 01:16:35.679 --> 01:16:37.736 you need to pull to potentially make 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:39.256 change in the spots. We don't need 12 01:16:39.280 --> 01:16:41.416 months. We've had 3 weeks and I can tell 01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:43.416 you there's been nothing but negative 01:16:43.440 --> 01:16:45.016 feedback. All we're going to find out in 01:16:45.040 --> 01:16:46.695 the next 12 months is everyone is going 01:16:46.719 --> 01:16:48.536 to be wants them out just like they want 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:50.616 them out. Now, if you did a oneweek 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:52.856 survey on your voice of residents of 01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:54.936 Gooong and Jerobom or anyone that uses 01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.960 that road, you'll find near universal 01:16:58.320 --> 01:17:00.695 agreement that they need to come out. 01:17:00.719 --> 01:17:02.056 They are not serving the purpose that 01:17:02.080 --> 01:17:04.215 they were intended to serve, which is to 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.376 make crossing that road safer. We've 01:17:06.400 --> 01:17:09.400 actually made it more dangerous. And no 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:10.856 one wants to second my motion. That's 01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.536 fine. I'm happy to be the lone voice on 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:14.856 this issue. But I'm hoping councils have 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:16.616 heard and listened and those that use 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:18.856 that road will agree that we've actually 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.880 made the road more dangerous. 01:17:23.440 --> 01:17:24.936 Further discussion. Councelor Wilson. 01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:26.456 Oh, the second actually. Councelor 01:17:26.480 --> 01:17:27.496 Waterhouse. 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.976 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um, I appreciate your 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.536 passion about this matter. 01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.096 Have you considered rather than 01:17:35.120 --> 01:17:36.616 taking them out to move them to where 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.496 they would protect the um pedestrians? 01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:41.816 Um, I suppose that's a question really. 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.840 Um, and and if if not, why not? I 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.840 guess it just seems very drastic. I I 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:50.376 second it because I wanted to hear your 01:17:50.400 --> 01:17:53.096 discussion of it. Um, 01:17:53.120 --> 01:17:56.120 but it seems to me that it's not the 01:17:56.320 --> 01:17:58.536 the cushions that are problem. The the 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:01.175 positioning of the cushions in the wrong 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:04.199 place. So, should they be moved? 01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:06.936 If that's a question, my answer is yes. 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:09.576 I'm I'm I'm very open to deciding what 01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:11.816 we do with them once they come out. My 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:13.256 priority is to make sure that they 01:18:13.280 --> 01:18:16.280 actually do come out. Councelor Wilson. 01:18:20.719 --> 01:18:22.695 Oh, thank you, mayor. I've broken my 01:18:22.719 --> 01:18:25.719 thing. There you go. 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.560 good. Um thank you, mayor, for your 01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:32.936 contribution. I'm not I don't I'll be 01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:35.175 voting against your notice of motion and 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:37.896 um and I'll I'll state reason why. I 01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:39.096 won't thank you for bringing it forward, 01:18:39.120 --> 01:18:41.256 but I I do appreciate your passion and 01:18:41.280 --> 01:18:44.215 you are certainly um representing some 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.695 people on social media's view. and 01:18:46.719 --> 01:18:48.936 I'll be quoting some other views in in 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:51.096 contrary. I first just want to thank 01:18:51.120 --> 01:18:53.016 the staff for their work in getting 01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:55.655 this campaign in Jerabombra to happen. 01:18:55.679 --> 01:18:57.816 thank the community from Jerobombra, 01:18:57.840 --> 01:18:59.576 from Gong and from Queenian across the 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.056 whole of our area for working with 01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:04.135 staff. there's no doubt as councelor 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:07.159 Waterhouse would probably be aware 01:19:07.280 --> 01:19:08.776 that I think he mentioned to me in 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:10.376 passing that you know the the signs sort 01:19:10.400 --> 01:19:11.736 of went up a bit late and I think that 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:13.816 caused a lot of our anxiety that the 01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:15.016 mayor has picked up on. Well, let's go 01:19:15.040 --> 01:19:17.736 back to first principles. , mayor, , 01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:19.655 after a fatality, I'll just say that 01:19:19.679 --> 01:19:21.896 again, someone died in our suburb. , 01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:23.816 motor vehicle accidents, near misses, we 01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:26.296 accepted multiple times, multiple times 01:19:26.320 --> 01:19:28.376 in this chamber that we had to try calm 01:19:28.400 --> 01:19:30.536 traffic across , the whole of , 01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:33.416 Jerro Bombber, as , Marggo Saxa has 01:19:33.440 --> 01:19:35.736 pointed out in her good submission. , 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:37.896 QPRC engaged with the community, put out 01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:39.896 plans, put out to tender, and now we're 01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.920 implementing that plan. we advised 01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:45.096 these measures including the limiting 01:19:45.120 --> 01:19:47.655 the speed limiting cushions. I was in 01:19:47.679 --> 01:19:49.496 the chamber when we ticked those off and 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.016 we put them out to local community and 01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:52.215 they came back and now they're being 01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:54.856 done. Um just and I'm not trying to pick 01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:57.880 a fight here, Council Winchester, but um 01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:59.896 I'm pretty comfortable. I'm happy for 01:19:59.920 --> 01:20:02.376 staff to interject. we don't put 01:20:02.400 --> 01:20:05.016 things on the road that are dangerous. 01:20:05.040 --> 01:20:07.496 Um so, you know, I think we have to be a 01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:08.695 bit careful with some of our language 01:20:08.719 --> 01:20:10.056 there. We don't do things that are 01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:12.215 dangerous. , and but I'm happy to be 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:13.816 corrected. I'm waiting for staff to jump 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:16.376 in and no, I can't see anyone jumping in 01:20:16.400 --> 01:20:17.896 there. 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.920 The the cushions are located according 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.336 to the maps. , and I drove past them. 01:20:23.360 --> 01:20:24.776 And I think your actual inference is 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:27.336 wrong. The the one as you come off from 01:20:27.360 --> 01:20:29.016 in the Woolly's one is before the 01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:30.536 crossing. The one as you're going into 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:32.056 the main area about is before the 01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:34.056 crossing. And the one that you go out of 01:20:34.080 --> 01:20:36.215 Jerobombra is before the crossing. And 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:37.736 yes, you are correct. The one coming in 01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:39.896 is after the crossing, but that can 01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:42.056 either be moved or actually it's still 01:20:42.080 --> 01:20:43.976 slowing traffic because that's my fourth 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:46.856 point. They are actually working. They 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.416 are slowing traffic on and off the 01:20:49.440 --> 01:20:51.976 roundabout. Mayor, you might forget, but 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:54.056 we had a car roll over, come off the 01:20:54.080 --> 01:20:56.695 Arctera, the main roundabout, because I 01:20:56.719 --> 01:20:59.175 leaving so fast. If your argument is, I 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:00.616 was going really fast and the people 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:01.896 behind me are going fast and I'm worried 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:03.816 about them all going fast, you've you've 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.135 killed your own argument effectively, 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:08.456 cuz that's what we're trying to do is to 01:21:08.480 --> 01:21:09.816 actually slow traffic off that 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:11.736 roundabout. I've driven over them 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:13.496 several times. there is an 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.416 inconvenience. I'm happy to say that. 01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:17.016 And I've had a Gooong friend of mine 01:21:17.040 --> 01:21:18.456 say, "What's the go with those cushions? 01:21:18.480 --> 01:21:20.936 Come on. They're a bit annoying." But 01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:23.175 we're talking 5 to 10 seconds for 01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:25.816 greater safety for our community and for 01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.776 those crossing. I just want to make 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.376 another my other point is a proper 01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:31.655 process here, mayor, which I think 01:21:31.679 --> 01:21:33.976 others may pick up on. We say what we're 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.536 going to do, we consult, we adjust, we 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:39.016 implement, we leave time, and then we 01:21:39.040 --> 01:21:40.936 review. Now, there's a 12-month review. 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:43.336 I I've I've spoken to others. I'm happy 01:21:43.360 --> 01:21:45.175 to take a report at you know, 6 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:46.616 months. Perhaps we can get an informal 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:48.376 report from staff at 6 months about how 01:21:48.400 --> 01:21:49.896 things are going. I'm not a traffic 01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:51.416 expert. If they are actually causing 01:21:51.440 --> 01:21:53.736 tipto tail and it's an issue, then sure, 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:55.416 let's have a chat. But three weeks in 01:21:55.440 --> 01:21:57.016 because of, you know, some social media 01:21:57.040 --> 01:21:59.175 posts. Now, those that make those social 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:01.016 media post, they're real. I'm I'm sure 01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:03.096 they're genuinely quite worried. But 01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:06.120 some of them are a noms may that don't 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:07.496 even have an identity and I'm not even 01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:09.816 sure they're real. And and secondly, on 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:11.416 social media, it is an important part of 01:22:11.440 --> 01:22:13.976 our our discourse, but I'm not sure the 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:15.816 decision we just made at 9.1 would have 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:17.655 got up if it was for social media. I 01:22:17.679 --> 01:22:19.096 can't remember people saying, "Oh, put 01:22:19.120 --> 01:22:21.336 the put a put a path through Fernley 01:22:21.360 --> 01:22:23.256 Park." But we just made a decision based 01:22:23.280 --> 01:22:26.056 on proper process at 9.1. I'm not sure 01:22:26.080 --> 01:22:28.456 the rate rise would have got up there 01:22:28.480 --> 01:22:30.456 based on social media commentary. So, we 01:22:30.480 --> 01:22:33.016 have to be a little bit cautious, I 01:22:33.040 --> 01:22:35.416 suppose, around um you know, I'll just 01:22:35.440 --> 01:22:36.536 share with you some of the comments 01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:38.296 though that did come from social media. 01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:40.135 Excellent to have the Edmund Parkway 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:42.376 stringy bark ones. Very much needed. A 01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:44.056 little warning that where they're where 01:22:44.080 --> 01:22:45.736 they were going would have been nice, 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:47.256 but otherwise anything that makes 01:22:47.280 --> 01:22:49.256 crossing safer pedestrians, especially 01:22:49.280 --> 01:22:51.576 children, is great in my book. Great 01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:54.296 initiative. Always been trying always 01:22:54.320 --> 01:22:55.976 been dangerous trying to get across that 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:58.456 road with kids and pets. Walking the 01:22:58.480 --> 01:23:00.215 kids to school across the roundabout 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:03.239 felt safer. Drivers normally fly around 01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:05.416 that bend. Now they slow for the 01:23:05.440 --> 01:23:08.440 cushion. Um, and I just want to make a 01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:10.856 general comment across, you know, it's 01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:13.416 working about our suburb. Our suburb, 01:23:13.440 --> 01:23:15.256 and look, I'm from Gerab Bombra, so I'm 01:23:15.280 --> 01:23:17.896 going to put that that that context. 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:20.695 It just give me that indulgence. They 01:23:20.719 --> 01:23:23.175 they are our suburb is not as fast as 01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:25.256 you can get through to get to the Lion 01:23:25.280 --> 01:23:27.096 Drive. This is what the 50ks is about. 01:23:27.120 --> 01:23:28.536 This is what the cushions are saying. 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:30.615 It's time to slow down. People live 01:23:30.639 --> 01:23:32.856 here, kids live here, you know, people 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:35.336 walk, etc. It is not, oh, isn't it great 01:23:35.360 --> 01:23:36.456 that isn't it great they've dropped it 01:23:36.480 --> 01:23:37.816 to 70? We're doing a good thing. It's 01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:39.896 it's actually it's a people where people 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.920 live. Um, that said, , the review is 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.296 important. I'm not a traffic engineer 01:23:46.320 --> 01:23:48.936 and mayor, , I I appreciate and 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:50.615 respect, , your your right to 01:23:50.639 --> 01:23:52.135 represent the community that that's got 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:53.496 issues. Thank you. 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.056 Thank you, Councelor Broadbent. 01:23:56.080 --> 01:23:59.080 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I wholeheartedly 01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:02.600 agree with councelor Wilson and I 01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:05.336 will say the reason we have the words 01:24:05.360 --> 01:24:07.016 anecdotal evidence is because an 01:24:07.040 --> 01:24:10.040 anecdote is not evidence. in the 01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:12.695 world of engineering um there's a lot of 01:24:12.719 --> 01:24:15.416 work that goes into designing and and 01:24:15.440 --> 01:24:18.440 and the placement of technical 01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.456 elements. I am no traffic engineer 01:24:22.480 --> 01:24:24.695 but the traffic engineers are traffic 01:24:24.719 --> 01:24:27.655 engineers and I trust my engineering 01:24:27.679 --> 01:24:29.816 colleagues that they make judgments 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.840 based on years of research and 01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.760 evidence-based I guess evidence that 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:40.600 allows them to position things such as 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:43.496 speed cushions, speed bumps, fences and 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:46.135 whatnot in the appropriate location such 01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.215 that it achieves the outcomes of making 01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:50.695 our community safer. 01:24:50.719 --> 01:24:52.056 Interesting. You mentioned the thing 01:24:52.080 --> 01:24:54.296 about there not being speed cushions on 01:24:54.320 --> 01:24:55.576 exits of roundabouts. I don't know if 01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:57.256 you've driven through CRA anytime 01:24:57.280 --> 01:24:59.496 lately. As you drive around CRA, nearly 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:01.655 every single roundabout that has speed 01:25:01.679 --> 01:25:04.376 cushions on it has them on the entry and 01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:07.096 exit. Um, when I first saw that, , 01:25:07.120 --> 01:25:09.576 went back, I think I noticed it back in 01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:11.496 what 2015 when I think they put them 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:13.576 down near Lonsdale Street there, thought 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:16.600 it was a bit odd. Um, but I did at the 01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:20.199 time also drive a Commodore. And while I 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.296 admit to not I won't admit to speeding 01:25:22.320 --> 01:25:24.215 at any times, it certainly slowed me 01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:26.135 down through the roundabout. And I and I 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:28.695 do, you know, that's while it is just 01:25:28.719 --> 01:25:30.776 anecdotal evidence, I will say I did 01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:32.135 slow down at that roundabout, including 01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:35.016 on the exit. And um I think we all know 01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:36.695 how well maybe not all of us, but 01:25:36.719 --> 01:25:38.456 certainly younger me would certainly 01:25:38.480 --> 01:25:41.480 love loves a chicane. Um 01:25:43.120 --> 01:25:45.496 the other thing I will say is if we look 01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:48.056 back at seat belts um I definitely 01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:49.736 wasn't around when seat belts came into 01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:51.976 play. 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:53.416 yeah, I know there there may be others 01:25:53.440 --> 01:25:56.440 in the room that were I have on good 01:25:57.120 --> 01:25:58.776 authority from my crazy uncle who still 01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:00.776 refuses to wear a seat belt that there 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:02.215 were lots of people that hate seat 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:04.456 belts. And seat belts is a great example 01:26:04.480 --> 01:26:07.480 of the the just the sheer benefit that a 01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:10.840 safety device had. As much as people 01:26:11.040 --> 01:26:12.695 might have hated it or they didn't think 01:26:12.719 --> 01:26:15.576 it suited them or it and you know and 01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:18.376 whatnot, it was critical and it saved 01:26:18.400 --> 01:26:21.400 lives. And driving through the on the 01:26:23.120 --> 01:26:25.976 Edin Land Parkway um tonight Edund land, 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:27.576 what's it called? What's it? 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:29.816 Yeah. Yeah, I thought so. Um I didn't 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:31.496 even notice them to be honest. I've been 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.016 I've been driving from the airport as I 01:26:33.040 --> 01:26:36.040 go to work most days um as of late and 01:26:36.080 --> 01:26:37.736 today I drove that way. I literally 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.655 didn't notice them. So, what I did 01:26:39.679 --> 01:26:41.175 notice though was people not cutting me 01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:42.856 off as they're zooming around to go 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.736 through um around the roundabout. I did 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:47.655 notice that it was slower through that 01:26:47.679 --> 01:26:49.175 through those little intersections there 01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.496 and past the crossings. And I cannot 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:54.520 fathom any argument that proposes we 01:26:55.120 --> 01:26:57.576 remove safety devices, particularly when 01:26:57.600 --> 01:26:59.576 they've just been installed. Um I am 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:02.600 frankly shocked um that this is this has 01:27:03.040 --> 01:27:04.376 been put forward. I understand the 01:27:04.400 --> 01:27:07.400 intent um but I will be backing the 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.536 Jerobom community all the way here with 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.135 having these safety devices remain in 01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:13.736 place. Thank you. 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:15.416 Thank you councelor Broadbent. Councelor 01:27:15.440 --> 01:27:16.135 Willis. 01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:19.159 Yes I had a question. Um is it possible 01:27:19.280 --> 01:27:22.280 to ask the staff to provide a report? So 01:27:22.719 --> 01:27:25.256 perhaps in lie of I guess I'm suggesting 01:27:25.280 --> 01:27:28.280 an amendment perhaps in in lie of the 01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:31.496 motion is to ask the staff for a report 01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:34.520 on the operation of these locations 01:27:34.639 --> 01:27:36.456 that you're you're concerned are 01:27:36.480 --> 01:27:38.936 problematic. Now they'd have to go and 01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:40.615 put some someone have to go and stand 01:27:40.639 --> 01:27:43.639 out there and see driver and 01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:45.976 pedestrian behavior and that might take 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:47.416 a little while to get gather the 01:27:47.440 --> 01:27:50.440 evidence. Um, but then we then we would 01:27:51.280 --> 01:27:54.280 have we'd have a bit more data than 01:27:54.639 --> 01:27:57.639 just people posting on social media. I 01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:00.456 mean, I I know social media is 01:28:00.480 --> 01:28:03.336 important. I hate it, but I know you 01:28:03.360 --> 01:28:06.360 have to have regard to it, but I I 01:28:06.639 --> 01:28:08.215 tend to agree. we've gone to all this 01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:10.296 trouble and consultation and to just 01:28:10.320 --> 01:28:13.320 pull out um some of the measures um so 01:28:14.639 --> 01:28:16.456 quickly 01:28:16.480 --> 01:28:19.416 um does make us look a little bit silly 01:28:19.440 --> 01:28:21.736 um and maybe preemptive. So I'm just 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:24.695 it's a suggestion that I'm not not 01:28:24.719 --> 01:28:27.496 dismissing the issues that the mayor's 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.520 raised but asking for some information 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:33.496 for the staff and go and have a look at 01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:35.096 it. Maybe there are problems. I don't 01:28:35.120 --> 01:28:37.496 know. I don't I don't drive down there 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:39.736 much at all. So that's my suggestion 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:42.215 that we get a report on those areas. 01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:43.896 Perhaps a question to staff on what they 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.536 intend to do as part of this trial and I 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:48.695 assume in 12 months time provide a 01:28:48.719 --> 01:28:51.719 report 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:52.936 Mr. Kendall. 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:55.960 Thank you Mr. Mayor and through you. 01:28:56.320 --> 01:28:58.135 unfortunately we weren't able to provide 01:28:58.159 --> 01:28:59.896 staff comment into the paper before it 01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:01.336 was circulated but a couple of points 01:29:01.360 --> 01:29:04.135 that I I would make. Um certainly the 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:07.159 works are only just been implemented and 01:29:07.280 --> 01:29:09.256 there certainly is assessment of 01:29:09.280 --> 01:29:11.175 their performance planned. we have 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:13.655 been out and observed traffic behavior 01:29:13.679 --> 01:29:15.736 even over the last few weeks. I was out 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.536 on site with staff last week. Um and a 01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:21.496 couple of other points in relation to 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:24.376 the pedestrian crossing points at 01:29:24.400 --> 01:29:27.400 Stringy Bark Drive roundabout where 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:29.576 you've noted that the cushions have been 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.256 installed after the pedestrian crossing 01:29:31.280 --> 01:29:33.256 points. I just wanted to point out 01:29:33.280 --> 01:29:35.016 that the main crossing on the westbound 01:29:35.040 --> 01:29:37.016 approach will be moved downstream of the 01:29:37.040 --> 01:29:39.336 cushion location as part of the part of 01:29:39.360 --> 01:29:41.496 the works that are still planned to be 01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:44.520 undertaken. in terms of additional 01:29:45.040 --> 01:29:47.336 speed cushions, there are additional 01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:49.336 cushions planned to be installed on 01:29:49.360 --> 01:29:51.976 Stringy Bark Drive and Newellia Drive at 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:54.695 the intersection with Endwood Parkway. 01:29:54.719 --> 01:29:57.175 However, this work was paused once staff 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.416 were aware that a no notice of motion 01:29:59.440 --> 01:30:01.896 would be raised today. 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:04.536 we are planning for traffic data, 01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:07.560 speed and volume to be captured. that 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.456 the traffic counters are going in 01:30:10.480 --> 01:30:12.376 shortly. So we will be collecting 01:30:12.400 --> 01:30:14.936 additional data on traffic speed and 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:17.655 volume at the sites and that will be 01:30:17.679 --> 01:30:19.976 really valuable to assess the impact and 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:22.856 inform the future works. in terms of 01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:24.536 the issue that you've raised about the 01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:27.256 traffic queuing back into Jerusalem the 01:30:27.280 --> 01:30:30.280 from the exit onto Edland Parkway. 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:32.695 when I was on site with staff last week, 01:30:32.719 --> 01:30:35.175 we did notice it wasn't in peak hour, 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:36.936 so the traffic wasn't going right back 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:39.175 onto the roundabout, but we did notice 01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:41.976 vehicles slowing right down there. Um 01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:44.376 that speed cushions approximately 60 m 01:30:44.400 --> 01:30:47.096 from the the Jerro Circle. and we 01:30:47.120 --> 01:30:49.016 expect that the queuing, which is 01:30:49.040 --> 01:30:50.615 probably more of an issue during peak 01:30:50.639 --> 01:30:53.096 hour, will lessen over time as motorists 01:30:53.120 --> 01:30:54.776 become more accustomed to the speed 01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:56.936 cushions. When we're on site, we notice 01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.416 one driver almost come to a complete 01:30:59.440 --> 01:31:01.416 stop as, you know, they were probably 01:31:01.440 --> 01:31:03.175 not familiar with the speed cushion and 01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:05.576 then drive over it. Other drivers went 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:07.976 through, you know, at a a much more sort 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:11.000 of um expected speed. so we do expect 01:31:11.040 --> 01:31:13.175 that as drivers become more familiar 01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:14.936 with the speed cushions that may deal 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:16.536 with some of that issue of queuing back 01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:19.560 onto Jura Circle. 01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:21.736 finally just wanted to make the point 01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:23.416 that flashing pedestrian crossing 01:31:23.440 --> 01:31:25.016 warning signs are still to be added to 01:31:25.040 --> 01:31:26.856 Edward Parkway at the pedestrian 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:28.936 crossing near the Jerry Circle as part 01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:31.736 of the project as well. but back to 01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:33.576 the original question certainly we could 01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:36.215 bring a report back. Um there's been 01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:37.816 suggestions about 6 months we could do 01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:40.776 it at that point or or earlier. 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:42.456 I just want to ask a follow-up question 01:31:42.480 --> 01:31:44.856 is why didn't we put in the flashing 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:46.856 lights already? Like why the speed would 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:49.880 the speed humps go first? 01:31:52.080 --> 01:31:53.016 contract. 01:31:53.040 --> 01:31:55.816 Yeah, I guess in terms of the works with 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.135 the contractor, we do take the point 01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:00.456 that some of the um advanced notice 01:32:00.480 --> 01:32:02.615 signs like the variable message sign 01:32:02.639 --> 01:32:04.215 boards could have probably gone up 01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:07.239 earlier. Um in terms of the contractor's 01:32:07.280 --> 01:32:09.096 works, this is what the contractor has 01:32:09.120 --> 01:32:10.936 proposed in terms of the various staging 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:13.256 of activities across the suburb and 01:32:13.280 --> 01:32:14.615 they're working on multiple fronts 01:32:14.639 --> 01:32:16.936 across the suburb. , a fair bit of the 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.960 line markings already gone in. Um, and 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.536 other works are planned. 01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:24.296 Councelor Willis had the floor. Have 01:32:24.320 --> 01:32:25.576 you? 01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:28.600 , no, that's that's fine. Thanks. 01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:31.576 Yes, obviously because I've made my 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:34.536 contribution. That was too long. Um 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:36.215 just through you mayor is it possible 01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:38.215 that I I I don't want to move a formal 01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:40.695 amendment but can councilors be provided 01:32:40.719 --> 01:32:43.655 an update on the operation of the of the 01:32:43.679 --> 01:32:45.416 jurabombra traffic initiatives including 01:32:45.440 --> 01:32:47.655 the cushions the flashing lights in say 01:32:47.679 --> 01:32:50.135 6 months time or something Mr. Kendall 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:51.336 was saying they're collecting the data 01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:54.360 on things. Is that possible? May that 01:32:54.480 --> 01:32:55.655 defy the amendment? 01:32:55.679 --> 01:32:58.135 Yeah. Okay. Thank you. 01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:00.456 Okay. Councelor Preston. No. 01:33:00.480 --> 01:33:01.736 Councelor Grundy. 01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:02.936 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's just a 01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:04.296 comment more than anything. I'm 01:33:04.320 --> 01:33:07.320 listening to a lot of comments around a 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:10.695 key issue and that is communication 01:33:10.719 --> 01:33:13.016 with the public. I'm wondering in the 01:33:13.040 --> 01:33:14.936 future with these sorts of matters if it 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:17.960 would not be prudent for um our comm's 01:33:19.440 --> 01:33:22.440 team to direct information explaining 01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:26.376 um what's about to happen with traffic 01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:29.400 changes etc. to um our newspaper, the 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:34.376 regional independent, so that a a story 01:33:34.400 --> 01:33:36.615 can be done and it can be circulated so 01:33:36.639 --> 01:33:38.456 people have a bit of a heads up as to 01:33:38.480 --> 01:33:41.480 what's going on. 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:44.056 Sure, that can be arranged further 01:33:44.080 --> 01:33:46.215 discussion. Councelor Swaget. 01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:47.336 Yeah, thanks Mr. Mayor. I'm going to 01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:49.016 support the motion and that's been 01:33:49.040 --> 01:33:50.615 consistent when we actually brought this 01:33:50.639 --> 01:33:52.536 to council before for the traffic 01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:54.376 calming. I said that not enough data 01:33:54.400 --> 01:33:56.215 have been collected to actually warrant 01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:57.655 a lot of the installation of these 01:33:57.679 --> 01:34:00.679 things and here we are. Who knew? Um 01:34:01.679 --> 01:34:03.175 trust the engineers e I remember when 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:04.456 engineers used to say put the seat belts 01:34:04.480 --> 01:34:07.175 around your neck. So I'm not really keen 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.199 on that that statement. But anyway, um 01:34:10.400 --> 01:34:11.576 dropping the speed limit, you know, 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.175 that's that's the lowhanging fruit and 01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:14.456 everyone goes for that in the first 01:34:14.480 --> 01:34:16.776 place. You know, it's just and it just 01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.096 it's it's attacking the symptom as 01:34:19.120 --> 01:34:22.120 opposed to the cause. Um most of these 01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:24.135 situations in that that require actually 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.056 a redesign of the road or redesign of 01:34:26.080 --> 01:34:27.816 the furniture around it don't just try 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:29.976 and keep knocking the speed limit down. 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:31.736 The speed limit was set some by someone 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:34.135 for a reason. A traffic engineer in fact 01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.776 would have set it originally. Um and 01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:38.215 when you start then tweaking the system 01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:39.416 and tweaking it here and tweaking it 01:34:39.440 --> 01:34:41.816 there without actually giving you um 01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:43.336 proper consideration for the fact that 01:34:43.360 --> 01:34:45.576 it's a system of systems, you start 01:34:45.600 --> 01:34:46.936 actually causing problems like you're 01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:48.215 seeing now with what the mayor is trying 01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:50.456 to pull up there. We actually discussed 01:34:50.480 --> 01:34:51.736 this a great length or I discussed this 01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:52.776 great length at the traffic committee 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:55.496 when it came up. Um, and the impression 01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:58.135 I got was that we didn't have the 01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:00.695 appropriate data to make decisions on 01:35:00.719 --> 01:35:03.719 this and that the the idea was that that 01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:05.896 if the contractor had x amount of money 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:07.416 to spend on traffic calming, so just go 01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:09.736 ahead and do it. Um, and I said that 01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:12.135 when we we had the the motion on that 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:14.376 night that it didn't actually come come 01:35:14.400 --> 01:35:15.896 across as being something that was well 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:18.215 considered. Um, now Council Wilson said 01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:19.576 there was a death in that area and 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:21.096 that's incredibly tragic and we do need 01:35:21.120 --> 01:35:22.936 to do something about that. But I I 01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:24.936 hasten to point out I can take you to 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:26.615 other parts of QPRC where we've had 01:35:26.639 --> 01:35:28.296 multiple deaths and multiple accidents 01:35:28.320 --> 01:35:31.256 and nothing's being done. 01:35:31.280 --> 01:35:33.736 So, um, 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:35.175 we need to put something in perspective 01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:37.496 here, I think. So, I would say we need 01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:39.096 to change the maybe the design of the 01:35:39.120 --> 01:35:41.096 road, not just put cushions in and tweak 01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:43.496 the system. It's a case of having a a 01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.496 more holistic look at this. So, I will 01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:48.520 be supporting this because it obviously 01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:49.496 the the mayor has picked up on 01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:51.096 something. the staff have picked up 01:35:51.120 --> 01:35:52.215 on something. We've heard that they 01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:54.456 don't have the data either. So, that 01:35:54.480 --> 01:35:56.456 comes back to my point when we did this 01:35:56.480 --> 01:35:58.296 that they the data is not there to 01:35:58.320 --> 01:35:59.816 support it. So, I'll be supporting this 01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:01.496 motion. 01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:04.520 Thank you. Is there further discussion? 01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:07.496 If not, I'm going to sum up debate on 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:10.135 the motion. Again, I thank councilors 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:13.159 for their discussion. Councelor Wilson. 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:16.856 Um, so I think it is important that we 01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:18.615 absolutely need to slow traffic coming 01:36:18.639 --> 01:36:20.456 off Jerry roundabout and heading east. 01:36:20.480 --> 01:36:22.536 That absolutely needs to happen. But 01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:24.936 what we've put in is not the right 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:26.536 solution. And I don't know what the 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:27.896 right solution is. That's why we have 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.376 experts. What we put in has actually 01:36:30.400 --> 01:36:33.175 made that particular section of road 01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:36.135 more dangerous for pedestrians and 01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:38.615 vastly more dangerous for motorists 01:36:38.639 --> 01:36:40.376 going through there. And you heard from 01:36:40.400 --> 01:36:42.056 Mr. Kendall talking about someone 01:36:42.080 --> 01:36:43.896 basically stopping to go through it 01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:45.736 during non- peak period. Can you imagine 01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:48.056 what would be like at peak period going 01:36:48.080 --> 01:36:49.576 through there? You've got hundreds if 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:51.416 not thousands in peak period driving 01:36:51.440 --> 01:36:53.976 through there. What could potentially 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.976 happen once that queue ends up back on 01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:58.936 the roundabout? And we also heard to 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:00.376 from Mr. Kendall that it sounds like 01:37:00.400 --> 01:37:01.896 we're going to be moving the foot path 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:03.576 to accommodate where the speed cushion's 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:06.600 been put in, which to me sounds I don't 01:37:06.639 --> 01:37:09.175 I don't I hope I've understood that 01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:10.936 incorrectly or there's a really good 01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:13.416 reason why we're not just going to move 01:37:13.440 --> 01:37:15.256 where the the speed cushion's been 01:37:15.280 --> 01:37:17.095 inserted cuz that sounds a little bit 01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:20.119 bizarre. But we talk about the process. 01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:23.960 So the process was way back when that 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:26.856 the original money that was funded, they 01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:28.376 were going to look at signalizing that 01:37:28.400 --> 01:37:30.296 stringy buck roundabout. That's the 01:37:30.320 --> 01:37:32.456 original intent. There wasn't enough 01:37:32.480 --> 01:37:34.376 money to do that. When we went back out 01:37:34.400 --> 01:37:36.776 to the community to talk about what we 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:38.296 could do with that money, the second 01:37:38.320 --> 01:37:40.456 scope, it literally did not include 01:37:40.480 --> 01:37:42.456 anything about speed cushions. In fact, 01:37:42.480 --> 01:37:44.695 there's a comment from staff about why 01:37:44.719 --> 01:37:47.175 they don't support the installation of 01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:49.736 speed cushions. We did a survey of the 01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:51.496 community and asked their thoughts on 01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:54.520 various different u traffic calming 01:37:54.719 --> 01:37:56.936 measures. Speed humps wasn't even one of 01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:59.016 the questions that we asked. We didn't 01:37:59.040 --> 01:38:00.776 even ask them about whether they thought 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:02.376 this was a good idea or not putting them 01:38:02.400 --> 01:38:05.400 in. So, and then all of a sudden somehow 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.615 we got to later on where we're making 01:38:08.639 --> 01:38:10.296 the final call about what we're going to 01:38:10.320 --> 01:38:12.215 do and speed humps are back on the 01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:14.695 agenda. And I' a lot of you were at that 01:38:14.719 --> 01:38:17.256 meeting and the primary focus was on 01:38:17.280 --> 01:38:18.936 Brutinell because there was issues 01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:21.175 there. We had the community come and 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:22.695 talk to us about changing that design. 01:38:22.719 --> 01:38:24.135 That was a specific thing that we did 01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:26.135 was say let's not proceed or let's 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:27.816 proceed with everything except for that. 01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:30.840 And if my eyes went off and didn't see 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:32.856 what was being in front of me with the 01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:34.615 stars located on ALP, then that's my 01:38:34.639 --> 01:38:36.376 bad. All right? Because I would have 01:38:36.400 --> 01:38:38.056 made it very clear at the time, but I 01:38:38.080 --> 01:38:41.080 did not support them going in. So, 01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:42.856 you've heard it all from me about why I 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.095 think we need to make changes. I don't 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:47.256 think we've made the road safer at all. 01:38:47.280 --> 01:38:49.175 And I'm hoping that we can get a report 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:51.016 back sooner rather than later about the 01:38:51.040 --> 01:38:54.040 actual impact that these um these are 01:38:54.639 --> 01:38:56.776 having. And just the last thing about 01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:58.376 social media, we've heard a couple of 01:38:58.400 --> 01:38:59.655 comments from councelor Wilson. I 01:38:59.679 --> 01:39:01.816 implore any of you to look on any notice 01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:03.095 board where they've talked about these 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:05.336 speed humps. And I can guarantee you 01:39:05.360 --> 01:39:07.175 they're not going to be full of gez, I 01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:09.095 had a great experience going over there. 01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:10.615 if this was if this was this was 01:39:10.639 --> 01:39:12.376 excellent. I'm I'm very happy that the 01:39:12.400 --> 01:39:14.215 council have done this. I'm the one that 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:16.296 gets tagged in posts about things that 01:39:16.320 --> 01:39:19.095 the council does wrong. I can tell you I 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.016 can't remember something in the last few 01:39:21.040 --> 01:39:22.615 years apart from the special rate 01:39:22.639 --> 01:39:25.639 variation where I've been tagged so much 01:39:25.679 --> 01:39:27.736 except for when we put these speed humps 01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:30.376 in in Jerombra. So I'm going to put the 01:39:30.400 --> 01:39:32.776 motion councils. All those in favor a 01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:34.776 councilor Schwackett and Winchester and 01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:37.736 against a council broad grundy Macdonald 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:39.256 Preston 01:39:39.280 --> 01:39:42.056 Tascowski 01:39:42.080 --> 01:39:44.695 council you can't Tascos is abstaining 01:39:44.719 --> 01:39:46.776 council waterhouse Willis Wilson I 01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:49.016 declare it lost 01:39:49.040 --> 01:39:51.416 but we can now move to item I think it's 01:39:51.440 --> 01:39:54.376 9.2 two, 01:39:54.400 --> 01:39:57.400 which is the DA at 38 Foster Street, 01:39:57.679 --> 01:39:59.416 Bungador, construction of a dwelling 01:39:59.440 --> 01:40:02.440 house, twostory. Do we have a mover, 01:40:02.480 --> 01:40:04.056 Councelor Willis, and a second, Council 01:40:04.080 --> 01:40:05.736 Waterhouse? Councelor Willis. 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.655 , thank you. Yes, I'll support this 01:40:07.679 --> 01:40:09.416 recommendation from the staff. We 01:40:09.440 --> 01:40:12.440 expressly included conditions two and 01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:15.560 five when council um approved this 01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:20.920 large dwelling development. Um, so I 01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:24.856 don't nothing's changed. , all we have 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:27.880 is a letter from the builder building 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:30.615 company to say that they'd like to 01:40:30.639 --> 01:40:32.135 remove the trees because they don't 01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:34.456 think they'll work with the with the 01:40:34.480 --> 01:40:37.480 dwelling. So, at this stage, I agree 01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:40.056 with the staff. There's no reason to 01:40:40.080 --> 01:40:43.080 move remove the um trees and they would 01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:45.896 have the removal would have a very 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.856 significant impact on neighbors and the 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:51.016 neighborhood. And this is in the 01:40:51.040 --> 01:40:54.040 heritage precinct of Bangor. 01:40:54.719 --> 01:40:56.936 Thank you, councelor Woodhouse. 01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:58.536 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I don't think 01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:01.256 anything's changed since we um since we 01:41:01.280 --> 01:41:04.135 passed this DA um not allowing the tree 01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:06.296 removal. I don't see any improvement and 01:41:06.320 --> 01:41:07.736 I think we should stick with that. Thank 01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:08.615 you. 01:41:08.639 --> 01:41:10.695 Is there further discussion? Councelor 01:41:10.719 --> 01:41:13.175 Grundy. I just wanted to pick up on 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:14.936 something that appeared in the 01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:17.960 correspondence from the builder um where 01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:21.016 he made the statement or she throughout 01:41:21.040 --> 01:41:23.655 the whole of the original DA assessment 01:41:23.679 --> 01:41:25.976 there was no mention of trees in any of 01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:29.000 the RFIs the only that this only came 01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:32.520 out in the DA consent very unexpectedly. 01:41:34.320 --> 01:41:37.320 So, I guess where I'm coming from is 01:41:37.920 --> 01:41:40.695 is there a capacity for better 01:41:40.719 --> 01:41:42.376 communication if there's been some 01:41:42.400 --> 01:41:44.776 misunderstanding or it was provided late 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.800 down the track um or has the builder um 01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:51.416 not picked up on something early enough 01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:53.816 if that could be asked of staff please? 01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:55.496 Mr. Miller. 01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:58.520 Thank you through you Mr. Mayor. um when 01:41:58.639 --> 01:42:00.456 the council considered the application 01:42:00.480 --> 01:42:02.936 before it in your assessment of the 01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:05.336 proposal this was a necessary thing to 01:42:05.360 --> 01:42:07.655 make this development acceptable in 01:42:07.679 --> 01:42:10.615 planning terms. Um and if I recall 01:42:10.639 --> 01:42:13.016 correctly there was some dissension 01:42:13.040 --> 01:42:15.576 around the actual project and for it to 01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:18.536 be acceptable the inclusion of these 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.256 conditions was necessary and that was 01:42:21.280 --> 01:42:23.336 for the retention of the trees. I 01:42:23.360 --> 01:42:25.655 believe there might be my memory might 01:42:25.679 --> 01:42:27.016 be failing me but it was possibly 01:42:27.040 --> 01:42:28.695 deferred for a site visit or something 01:42:28.719 --> 01:42:31.719 of that nature and it was as a result of 01:42:32.320 --> 01:42:34.215 the site visit I think it was Yep. 01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:36.615 Grundy McDonald and Willis. Um you'll 01:42:36.639 --> 01:42:39.095 recall that then in the debate your 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:41.336 assessment of it was in the absence of 01:42:41.360 --> 01:42:42.776 those two conditions this would 01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:45.095 otherwise be unacceptable and for that 01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:47.496 reason it's a decision taken on the 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:48.936 floor of the council which is why it's 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:50.936 back with you and the applicant and the 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:53.095 developer can go back to the online you 01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:55.736 know um recording of the deliberation of 01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:58.296 this application to understand why it's 01:42:58.320 --> 01:42:59.736 necessary. 01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:02.056 So Mr. Mr. Mayor, for the benefit of the 01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:04.456 builder that that was a reasonable 01:43:04.480 --> 01:43:07.480 course of events centering around 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:09.976 consequences that came from the site 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:13.000 visit um where you're correct u miss 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:16.296 that um I attended amongst some of the 01:43:16.320 --> 01:43:17.816 other counselors. So thank you that 01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:19.576 answers the question. 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.056 Is there further discussion and put the 01:43:22.080 --> 01:43:24.296 motion all those in favor? That's 01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:27.320 unanimous and carried. 9.4 Four is the 01:43:27.679 --> 01:43:30.679 Queen to Bangor pipeline land matters. 01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:33.016 We have a mover for this one. Councilors 01:43:33.040 --> 01:43:34.615 councelor Preston second to councelor 01:43:34.639 --> 01:43:35.736 Swack. 01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:37.496 Do you want to start speak to the item? 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:39.095 Councelor Preston 01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:41.016 really briefly. It's good to see um 01:43:41.040 --> 01:43:43.336 progress happening on this um 01:43:43.360 --> 01:43:46.360 notwithstanding that we still need 01:43:46.639 --> 01:43:48.615 a little bit more clarification for the 01:43:48.639 --> 01:43:50.296 community on how it's going to be funded 01:43:50.320 --> 01:43:53.320 and and the the process going forward. I 01:43:53.360 --> 01:43:55.256 appreciate that staff have have made 01:43:55.280 --> 01:43:58.280 themselves available um to the Bangodor 01:43:58.400 --> 01:44:01.400 community um on a number of occasions to 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:03.816 discuss this. I think there's still 01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:06.296 some uncertainty as to how it actually 01:44:06.320 --> 01:44:08.615 will work from a funding point of view. 01:44:08.639 --> 01:44:11.639 So but what we have before us is 01:44:11.679 --> 01:44:14.056 is a a very sensible and solid way 01:44:14.080 --> 01:44:16.856 forward and I um happy to support the 01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:18.456 the motion as it stands. 01:44:18.480 --> 01:44:19.896 Thank you, Councelor Preston. Councelor 01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:22.296 Swaka. Um, I'll reserve at this stage, 01:44:22.320 --> 01:44:23.736 but I would like to ask a question 01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:26.215 though. Um, is it possible to get a bit 01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:28.776 of a PAS update on the Bangador's water? 01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:30.695 I know Mr. Cunningham's at the audience 01:44:30.719 --> 01:44:32.056 and be terrible for him to go away 01:44:32.080 --> 01:44:35.080 without saying anything tonight. 01:44:37.119 --> 01:44:39.016 It's not really related to this, but 01:44:39.040 --> 01:44:41.016 council staff can take it on notice and 01:44:41.040 --> 01:44:42.695 provide an update to councilors. 01:44:42.719 --> 01:44:43.175 Okay. 01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:44.135 After the meeting. 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:46.376 Okay. All right. I I I'll I'll take up 01:44:46.400 --> 01:44:48.936 my reserve and and speak as a second. Um 01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:50.536 yeah, look, PAS is an issue for the 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:51.736 people of Bangalore. Um and this is 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:52.856 going to be one of those things that'll 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:54.376 help with with that because we I 01:44:54.400 --> 01:44:56.376 don't believe we still have a source or 01:44:56.400 --> 01:44:59.400 it's um fully in check just yet. So 01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:02.695 um this is going to be something that is 01:45:02.719 --> 01:45:05.719 going to ease a lot of um minds in 01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:08.376 Bangador. for those of you who lived 01:45:08.400 --> 01:45:09.976 in Bangador, tried to wash a car in 01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:12.376 Bangador with Bangador water, forget it. 01:45:12.400 --> 01:45:14.056 Particularly if it's black, don't worry 01:45:14.080 --> 01:45:15.976 about it's just it'll just comes up 01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:18.536 covered in calcium blooms. Um so adding 01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.416 some nice rain water to to Bangador's 01:45:21.440 --> 01:45:23.256 water will help people with washing 01:45:23.280 --> 01:45:25.576 their cars. Um helps the garden because 01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:27.256 if you put Bangod water in the garden it 01:45:27.280 --> 01:45:29.256 just sits there. It doesn't actually 01:45:29.280 --> 01:45:31.976 grow. Um the other thing too is that 01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:33.256 people's hot water systems will last 01:45:33.280 --> 01:45:35.336 longer. In Bangalore they last a third 01:45:35.360 --> 01:45:36.776 less than anyone else's because of the 01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:38.536 calcium in the in the in the water. So 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:40.376 that that anode in the middle of it just 01:45:40.400 --> 01:45:43.095 just rots very very quickly. So very 01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:45.655 keen to have um good water in Bangalore 01:45:45.679 --> 01:45:47.416 because people in Bangodore pay lots for 01:45:47.440 --> 01:45:48.536 their water and they should get first 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:50.215 world water. 01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:52.296 Thank you. Council, is there further 01:45:52.320 --> 01:45:53.816 discussion? Councelor Willis. 01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:56.376 Yes, I had some questions. I put some 01:45:56.400 --> 01:45:59.175 questions on in writing and they were 01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:00.936 responded to this morning through the 01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.336 usual process. I'm still a bit confused 01:46:03.360 --> 01:46:05.816 about why the council's heading down 01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:08.056 this or proposing to head down this 01:46:08.080 --> 01:46:11.080 path. I mean 01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:13.655 the the report the staff report didn't 01:46:13.679 --> 01:46:16.679 explain why the initial approach for 01:46:17.360 --> 01:46:20.135 securing the easements hadn't worked. 01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:23.159 And then in answer to my question it 01:46:23.280 --> 01:46:25.816 says there are around 21 individual 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.135 private land holders along the route. 01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:30.536 Notwithstanding the issue of opening 01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:33.560 letters to all including a draft deed 01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:37.336 only a few have engaged. In order for 01:46:37.360 --> 01:46:39.416 the deed option to be beneficial, it 01:46:39.440 --> 01:46:41.655 will require more widespread, if not 01:46:41.679 --> 01:46:44.456 universal takeup. This is unlikely to 01:46:44.480 --> 01:46:46.536 happen. So, can I ask what's happening 01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:49.560 out there? It sounds like Yeah. What is 01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:51.816 happening out there? 01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:53.896 Mr. Cunningham. 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:56.215 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, we're 01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:58.615 following the process of the Just Earns 01:46:58.639 --> 01:47:01.416 Compensation Act. So, the first thing we 01:47:01.440 --> 01:47:04.215 have to do is enter in negotiations. So, 01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:05.256 that's the first thing. That's the 01:47:05.280 --> 01:47:07.016 purpose of the opening letter. The 01:47:07.040 --> 01:47:09.336 opening letter is not intrinsically 01:47:09.360 --> 01:47:11.336 related to the deed. Um the opening 01:47:11.360 --> 01:47:13.496 letter is, hey, we've got an idea we'd 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:15.816 like to discuss with you. Next part of 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:18.056 that is to get a valuation. All of the 01:47:18.080 --> 01:47:20.615 affected um land owners have had the 01:47:20.639 --> 01:47:23.256 valuation. Now, the importance of the 01:47:23.280 --> 01:47:26.280 deed was um to attempt to get agreement 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:31.960 and have it all written up about the 01:47:32.480 --> 01:47:35.480 the the easement, the final easement 01:47:35.679 --> 01:47:37.655 and the construction corridor. They call 01:47:37.679 --> 01:47:39.416 it the licensed area, which is a 01:47:39.440 --> 01:47:42.440 temporary temporary piece. what we're 01:47:42.639 --> 01:47:45.016 referring to here is very few people 01:47:45.040 --> 01:47:47.336 have actually come came back come back 01:47:47.360 --> 01:47:50.360 to council and engaged in respect to the 01:47:50.639 --> 01:47:53.639 deed. We've had a lot of silence. Um 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:57.000 what has become obvious to to staff and 01:47:57.920 --> 01:48:00.920 councils legal is that unless we had a 01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:04.856 lot of take up of the deed and that's 01:48:04.880 --> 01:48:07.576 why we talk about near universal 01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:09.256 we're going to end up with a mismatch 01:48:09.280 --> 01:48:10.776 anyway. we're going to end up with, you 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:13.800 know, three or four deeds and 19 or 18 01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:17.880 where we will have to go down the 01:48:19.040 --> 01:48:21.976 compulsory process. Now given we want to 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:25.000 we want to dedicate the easements after 01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:28.199 the construction the legal advice is now 01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:30.135 for us the best way to do that the most 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:32.215 universal way to do that to get a 01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:34.776 contractor and consistency to to be able 01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.175 to confidence to be able to do it is 01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:40.199 through the application of 191A. 01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:44.695 Thank you. Do you do you have any 01:48:44.719 --> 01:48:46.056 understanding of why people don't want 01:48:46.080 --> 01:48:47.976 to talk to the council? The land owners 01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:49.336 don't want to talk to the council about 01:48:49.360 --> 01:48:52.135 this. 01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:54.615 No. 01:48:54.639 --> 01:48:57.336 So am I to understand that this 01:48:57.360 --> 01:48:59.016 provision of the local government act 01:48:59.040 --> 01:49:01.576 lets the council essentially send 01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:03.736 someone onto the property to what? Start 01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:06.615 digging and building. Is that right? 01:49:06.639 --> 01:49:08.456 like how if people don't want to talk to 01:49:08.480 --> 01:49:10.856 the council after they received a 01:49:10.880 --> 01:49:13.880 letter, how are they going to react to 01:49:14.400 --> 01:49:16.615 someone going onto their land to start 01:49:16.639 --> 01:49:19.496 digging it up? 01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:22.520 , Mr. Mayor, 191A is used um more 01:49:24.400 --> 01:49:26.135 often than what council may think. To 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:29.159 change a water meter, we would use 191A. 01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:33.239 when council sewer service the west 01:49:33.440 --> 01:49:36.440 braidwood a good few years ago council 01:49:36.480 --> 01:49:38.695 used 191A 01:49:38.719 --> 01:49:41.719 that is where council um gets some 01:49:43.679 --> 01:49:45.496 certainty exercises it's right it 01:49:45.520 --> 01:49:47.016 doesn't mean there's no compensation 01:49:47.040 --> 01:49:50.040 paid far from it um the other the other 01:49:50.639 --> 01:49:52.376 part that I mention in there I think 01:49:52.400 --> 01:49:55.400 where it talks about um subject to 01:49:57.360 --> 01:49:59.896 other matters that go along with 191A A 01:49:59.920 --> 01:50:02.920 are about notification, the process of 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:05.976 notification, the authority to enter and 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.000 the matter of compensation. So 191A is 01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:11.976 not something we rarely use. It's it's 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:14.615 frequently used. 01:50:14.639 --> 01:50:17.639 So, have you given any thought to how 01:50:17.679 --> 01:50:20.615 the council is going to deal with people 01:50:20.639 --> 01:50:23.639 who obviously don't support 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:27.159 the disturbance andor construction 01:50:28.400 --> 01:50:31.400 across their land when you turn up with 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.816 work people to start doing the work? 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:37.416 Like h how is that actually going to be 01:50:37.440 --> 01:50:39.976 managed? Has that been thought through? 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:42.615 because it's, you know, it could be very 01:50:42.639 --> 01:50:45.639 confrontational. 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:48.456 , Mr. Mayor, meetings have been held 01:50:48.480 --> 01:50:51.480 with every land land owner. Um, so , 01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:56.760 some of them um are probably looking at 01:50:57.040 --> 01:50:59.016 the deed and some of them , we have to 01:50:59.040 --> 01:51:01.655 pay for their legal , their legal 01:51:01.679 --> 01:51:03.896 advice. Some of them haven't taken that 01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:06.920 up. Um, we wouldn't just proceed. we we 01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:11.736 would again reach out once for example 01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:14.456 we had a commitment for council to 01:51:14.480 --> 01:51:17.256 commence the project. the next part 01:51:17.280 --> 01:51:19.655 of that would be re-engaging and and 01:51:19.679 --> 01:51:22.679 firming up the process of um when the 01:51:24.880 --> 01:51:26.936 project would happen. We'd re-engage but 01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.655 at the end of the day if council decides 01:51:29.679 --> 01:51:31.576 they want to proceed with this project 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:33.336 we need certainty and that would be the 01:51:33.360 --> 01:51:35.256 way we'd be taking that for the further 01:51:35.280 --> 01:51:37.496 discussions. 01:51:37.520 --> 01:51:39.496 Thank you, 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:42.215 councelor Broadman. just a quick one 01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:43.496 through you, Mr. Mayor. I just like 01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.896 to ask staff for some clarity from a 01:51:45.920 --> 01:51:48.215 governance perspective, noting hierarchy 01:51:48.239 --> 01:51:51.016 bits and pieces. Um what part of the 01:51:51.040 --> 01:51:53.336 life cycle would the major projects 01:51:53.360 --> 01:51:56.360 board for the QTB Q2B 01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:00.760 um be stood up? 01:52:01.679 --> 01:52:03.655 through you, Mr. Mayor when council 01:52:03.679 --> 01:52:05.575 decided to proceed as a projects that's 01:52:05.599 --> 01:52:08.135 when but the project if and when that's 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:10.536 when I would be recommending a major 01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:13.336 projects board with um representative 01:52:13.360 --> 01:52:15.256 from the council. 01:52:15.280 --> 01:52:17.496 Yeah. Wonderful. makes sense. I just 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:18.776 cognizant that there's obviously 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:20.215 decisions being made in the leadup to 01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:21.976 that. I think I'm comfortable with that 01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:23.256 position. Just wanted to get on the 01:52:23.280 --> 01:52:25.095 record. Thank you very much. 01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:27.256 Is there further discussion? We'll put 01:52:27.280 --> 01:52:29.736 the motion. All those in favor. , 01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:31.416 everyone except councelor Willis and 01:52:31.440 --> 01:52:33.095 against councelor Willis. I declare it 01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:35.095 carried. Council at 7:30. We're going to 01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:37.816 break for 10 minutes and reconvene at 01:52:37.840 --> 01:52:40.536 7:40. 01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.296 Okay, we're back live and we're on to 01:52:42.320 --> 01:52:45.320 item 9.5 which is the Ellton Drive noise 01:52:45.599 --> 01:52:48.599 assessment. And we have a mover. 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:51.175 Are you going to move from the chair to 01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:52.695 defer it? Councelor Willis. 01:52:52.719 --> 01:52:54.215 , if I can. Yes. 01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:55.816 Oh, let's just get on the table. make it 01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:57.736 easier for the minute secretary. So, 01:52:57.760 --> 01:52:59.496 councelor Wilson's going to move it and 01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:01.256 councelor Broadman's going to second. 01:53:01.280 --> 01:53:03.016 Did you want to speak to it, councelor? 01:53:03.040 --> 01:53:04.135 Yes. Thank you, 01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:06.135 Council Wilson. 01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:07.175 Sorry, I didn't want to steal your 01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:08.776 thunder. Councelor Willis, I expect your 01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:10.296 amendments about to start. We've just 01:53:10.320 --> 01:53:11.816 put the actual recommendation from the 01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:13.736 business paper on the table. but I 01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:14.856 look forward to your amendment to 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:16.776 potentially defer this matter. I just 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:18.456 want to make very brief comment, Mayor. 01:53:18.480 --> 01:53:21.175 Um this has been a long drawn out 01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:24.199 process. and it would have been good 01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:25.976 if it had gone to the working group and 01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:27.175 I think that's where council Willis is 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:29.496 going to go. That said, the the 01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:31.095 report does outline some of the measures 01:53:31.119 --> 01:53:32.776 we need to do and we've got a lot of 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:35.800 work to continue to abate noise from the 01:53:36.080 --> 01:53:39.080 road that has had a a difficult journey 01:53:39.599 --> 01:53:42.296 from its outset. Thank you, 01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:44.215 Council Robbert. No, Council Willis. 01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:47.239 thank you. Yes, I have an amendment 01:53:47.360 --> 01:53:49.336 that council defer this item until the 01:53:49.360 --> 01:53:52.360 Ellton Drive at receiver noise treatment 01:53:53.360 --> 01:53:55.575 program report has been provided to the 01:53:55.599 --> 01:53:57.896 Ellton Drive extension working group for 01:53:57.920 --> 01:53:58.856 their feedback. 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:01.655 Yeah, I'm happy to second. 01:54:01.679 --> 01:54:04.215 Thank you. So, it's it's almost 9 01:54:04.239 --> 01:54:07.239 months since we had the the noise 01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:10.135 the post construction noise report and 01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:11.896 so it's taken quite a while to get to 01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:14.920 this point. Um and the whole point of 01:54:15.040 --> 01:54:17.016 setting up the ED working group was to 01:54:17.040 --> 01:54:19.095 work with the the affected members of 01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:22.119 the community to try and find some a 01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:24.936 meteoration if not solution to the 01:54:24.960 --> 01:54:27.896 excessive noise that they're um 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:30.920 confronting well in excess of the u 01:54:31.360 --> 01:54:34.360 forecast road noise and in exceeding the 01:54:35.199 --> 01:54:38.199 New South Wales noise road noise 01:54:38.480 --> 01:54:41.416 policy. so I think it's imperative 01:54:41.440 --> 01:54:43.575 you know that the council sends this 01:54:43.599 --> 01:54:46.599 report to the the members ask them to 01:54:46.800 --> 01:54:49.336 look at it and then we actually convene 01:54:49.360 --> 01:54:52.360 so that we can all discuss it and I 01:54:53.360 --> 01:54:55.256 have quite a few questions which I've 01:54:55.280 --> 01:54:58.056 held off putting into this meeting that 01:54:58.080 --> 01:55:00.376 I will provide ahead of a meeting with 01:55:00.400 --> 01:55:03.095 the working group I just think it's a 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:06.119 bad look to make this decision 01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:09.736 without going to the the group that we 01:55:09.760 --> 01:55:12.760 set up to work with to try and address 01:55:13.679 --> 01:55:15.095 this problem. 01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:16.936 Thanks, Councelor Willis. And just 01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:18.456 speaking very quickly that I absolutely 01:55:18.480 --> 01:55:19.976 agree. We've worked with this working 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:22.936 group from day one when we first got 01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:25.736 the money to undertake the study. I 01:55:25.760 --> 01:55:27.256 think we do need to sit down with them 01:55:27.280 --> 01:55:28.776 and run through this. And it's important 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:30.536 for councils to note that when this does 01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:32.776 come back, there's there's no way that 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:34.536 the funding that we've got for this for 01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:36.135 treatments is going to cover absolutely 01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:37.655 everything that's required. And this is 01:55:37.679 --> 01:55:39.336 a battle that we're going to have to 01:55:39.360 --> 01:55:40.856 have with the state government about 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:43.256 fair compensation for all those that 01:55:43.280 --> 01:55:45.896 have been affected by noise emanating 01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:48.056 from Elton Drive extension. Council 01:55:48.080 --> 01:55:50.135 Wilson just speaking in the debate of 01:55:50.159 --> 01:55:52.056 the amendment council happy to 01:55:52.080 --> 01:55:53.575 support as I noted. I just want to 01:55:53.599 --> 01:55:56.456 quickly also say for those listening in 01:55:56.480 --> 01:55:57.816 um one of the challenges we got with 01:55:57.840 --> 01:55:59.896 this road as you'll see in the report is 01:55:59.920 --> 01:56:02.920 there's 185 properties where trigger a 01:56:03.040 --> 01:56:04.536 relative increase and one of the 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:05.496 interesting things of the report which 01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.575 you have a read of is there isn't a lot 01:56:07.599 --> 01:56:09.095 of properties that have a high level 01:56:09.119 --> 01:56:11.416 like it's the M5 in Sydney if you like 01:56:11.440 --> 01:56:13.976 it's the dead silence of night that 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.456 beautiful green le sort of area and then 01:56:16.480 --> 01:56:17.816 someone goes over the bridge or they hit 01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:19.175 their you know their braking or their 01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:21.336 engine gear change so that is what we're 01:56:21.360 --> 01:56:22.695 dealing with and I imagine when It's 01:56:22.719 --> 01:56:24.056 2:00 a.m. in the morning and all of a 01:56:24.080 --> 01:56:26.376 sudden that that that change in volume 01:56:26.400 --> 01:56:27.976 comes through. That's the challenge. So, 01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:30.376 as you said, Mayor, that's a lot of 01:56:30.400 --> 01:56:33.256 properties, 88 plus 185 and then 50 that 01:56:33.280 --> 01:56:35.016 are actually got the higher impact. So, 01:56:35.040 --> 01:56:36.936 we're going to need you know, let's 01:56:36.960 --> 01:56:38.215 step through a process, but we'll have 01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:39.416 to get some support down the track. 01:56:39.440 --> 01:56:40.856 Thank you. 01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:42.135 Is there further discussion on the 01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:44.135 amendment? If not, I'll put the 01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:46.135 amendment. All those in favor? That's 01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:48.936 unanimous and the amendment becomes a 01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:50.456 motion. Did you want to speak to the 01:56:50.480 --> 01:56:51.816 motion? No. I'm going to put the motion. 01:56:51.840 --> 01:56:53.816 All in favor? That's also unanimous. 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:56.840 Thank you. 9.6 is the DCP housekeeping 01:56:58.080 --> 01:57:00.056 amendments. We have a mover for this. 01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:02.135 Councelor Broadbent and a second 01:57:02.159 --> 01:57:05.159 councelor McDonald. Councelor Broadman. 01:57:05.360 --> 01:57:07.095 I was actually just going to ask us 01:57:07.119 --> 01:57:09.655 just a very quick question relating 01:57:09.679 --> 01:57:12.679 to some of the I guess basic 01:57:12.719 --> 01:57:15.256 housekeeping changes particularly the 01:57:15.280 --> 01:57:17.336 the very minor ones. Um, is there any 01:57:17.360 --> 01:57:19.976 mechanism that's I guess legal or that 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:22.056 could be made by us that would enable 01:57:22.080 --> 01:57:25.080 this to be done generally as part of 01:57:25.199 --> 01:57:26.296 without having to come back through 01:57:26.320 --> 01:57:28.615 council? 01:57:28.639 --> 01:57:30.215 Melo. 01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:32.296 Through you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just because 01:57:32.320 --> 01:57:34.856 it was such a large number of them, it 01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:37.416 felt like it wasn't within our gift. If 01:57:37.440 --> 01:57:39.896 it was just one or two that I would say 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:41.496 were like um administrative, 01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:43.256 typographical, and all those sorts of 01:57:43.280 --> 01:57:44.936 things, the general manager would 01:57:44.960 --> 01:57:47.175 already sort of direct us to pick those 01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:49.016 things up, but it was just that there 01:57:49.040 --> 01:57:51.016 was so many of them that I didn't feel 01:57:51.040 --> 01:57:52.936 it was in my gift. 01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:55.960 In your gift. Love it. Um, cool. That 01:57:56.400 --> 01:57:58.056 answers the question. , I'm happy to 01:57:58.080 --> 01:58:00.296 support this motion, of course. 01:58:00.320 --> 01:58:02.135 Councelor Preston, 01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:05.159 just a follow-up question. So is it a 01:58:05.440 --> 01:58:08.440 question of volume or substance 01:58:09.119 --> 01:58:10.536 through you Mr. Mayor? It's a question 01:58:10.560 --> 01:58:13.560 of volume. It was just too much. 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:16.376 Councelor Willis. 01:58:16.400 --> 01:58:18.376 Yes, there's just too much. So I'm 01:58:18.400 --> 01:58:20.056 actually going to move that this is item 01:58:20.080 --> 01:58:23.080 is deferred. The attachment to this item 01:58:23.599 --> 01:58:26.599 is comprised of 842 pages. 01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:29.655 and I I started looking at it and 01:58:29.679 --> 01:58:32.679 this is a a common problem because 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:35.960 I'm not a business and I I I'm speaking 01:58:36.080 --> 01:58:38.376 right I don't have an enormous 01:58:38.400 --> 01:58:40.376 you going to move your amendment speak 01:58:40.400 --> 01:58:41.655 to the amendment if you're going to 01:58:41.679 --> 01:58:42.936 justify it 01:58:42.960 --> 01:58:45.575 I am yeah I'm move that it be deferred 01:58:45.599 --> 01:58:47.256 you can defer it to the next meeting I 01:58:47.280 --> 01:58:48.695 don't know what will be how many pages 01:58:48.719 --> 01:58:50.776 there'll be in that business paper 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:53.575 26th you have a second to defer the item 01:58:53.599 --> 01:58:55.575 council waterhouse okay council will 01:58:55.599 --> 01:58:57.336 thank you councelor Waterhouse. As I was 01:58:57.360 --> 01:59:00.360 saying, the document has 842 pages. Um, 01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:04.215 I can't read all of the files. I can't 01:59:04.239 --> 01:59:07.239 open the spreadsheets large enough to 01:59:07.520 --> 01:59:10.056 actually read them. Um, and this is a 01:59:10.080 --> 01:59:13.080 problem I found a couple of meetings ago 01:59:13.440 --> 01:59:16.440 with attachments. , there I I don't 01:59:16.719 --> 01:59:18.776 know how members of the public I mean, 01:59:18.800 --> 01:59:20.456 I'm sure they don't all have enormous 01:59:20.480 --> 01:59:22.135 monitors. I said I don't have room for 01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:25.016 one. , so I haven't been able to 01:59:25.040 --> 01:59:27.976 review them, but I gave up because I 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:30.215 thought this is this these are minor 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:32.856 housekeeping amendments. Th there's 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:35.655 pages and pages of them. This is not a 01:59:35.679 --> 01:59:37.816 priority for this meeting where we were 01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:39.655 dealing with the Dun Creek Road report 01:59:39.679 --> 01:59:42.135 and the sewage treatment plant tenders. 01:59:42.159 --> 01:59:44.296 So, 01:59:44.320 --> 01:59:46.376 , I'm asking that they be deferred so 01:59:46.400 --> 01:59:49.095 we actually have time to review them and 01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:51.095 that someone gives some thought to how 01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:54.119 we can actually get files that we can 01:59:54.800 --> 01:59:57.800 read, you know, because it's it this is 01:59:57.920 --> 01:59:59.976 it's not just this occasion. It's 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:02.936 happened quite a few times. Um, you 02:00:02.960 --> 02:00:05.336 know, maybe the staff can set up a 02:00:05.360 --> 02:00:07.256 computer a computer and monitor set up 02:00:07.280 --> 02:00:08.776 here with a large monitor and we can 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:10.615 come in and read them here, but I don't 02:00:10.639 --> 02:00:13.639 have room to buy a large monitor to read 02:00:13.679 --> 02:00:15.496 enormous spreadsheets. 02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:17.655 Okay. Councelor Waterhouse. Thanks, Mr. 02:00:17.679 --> 02:00:19.976 May. Yes, I concur. I started to read 02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:21.575 started to plot through it because I do 02:00:21.599 --> 02:00:22.936 like to find spelling mistakes and 02:00:22.960 --> 02:00:25.175 stuff. Um, and there was just too much. 02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:26.856 So, I absolutely agree. It'll give us a 02:00:26.880 --> 02:00:29.016 bit more time and today is fairly 02:00:29.040 --> 02:00:30.776 crowded. 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:32.695 Okay. Councelor Broadbin and councelor 02:00:32.719 --> 02:00:33.655 Preston. 02:00:33.679 --> 02:00:35.896 You know the beauty of President 02:00:35.920 --> 02:00:38.536 Councelor Wilson is we have a history 02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:40.215 of approving documents and putting them 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:43.239 on public exhibition for us to review 02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:47.239 at the same time as the public. Um 02:00:47.280 --> 02:00:49.016 these are some lengthy documents. 02:00:49.040 --> 02:00:52.040 Absolutely. the changes are minor um 02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:55.880 as has been expressed by staff. Um, I 02:00:57.440 --> 02:00:59.896 see no reason that given there's going 02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:01.896 to be a period of 28 days available to 02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:03.496 my fellow counselors prior to it coming 02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:05.655 back to this meeting that those 02:01:05.679 --> 02:01:08.536 counselors couldn't just review as the 02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:11.336 public will. Um, the changes are minor. 02:01:11.360 --> 02:01:13.655 There's nothing stopping us from coming 02:01:13.679 --> 02:01:15.816 back at that meeting where it comes out 02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:18.056 of public exhibition to, you know, 02:01:18.080 --> 02:01:21.080 dealing with it then. Um, that gives us 02:01:21.119 --> 02:01:23.175 four weeks. So, yeah, I won't be 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:25.016 supporting this amendment. Councelor 02:01:25.040 --> 02:01:26.215 Preston. 02:01:26.239 --> 02:01:29.239 thank you um Mayor. I 02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:33.159 I I do support a deferral of of of of 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:36.520 this um this item, but for for complete 02:01:37.599 --> 02:01:40.376 different reasons to to council 02:01:40.400 --> 02:01:43.175 Willis. I I think what we've got here um 02:01:43.199 --> 02:01:45.336 and that's backed up by statements I've 02:01:45.360 --> 02:01:47.736 just heard from Miss Miller that what we 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:50.215 have is as a a large volume of 02:01:50.239 --> 02:01:52.456 insubstantial 02:01:52.480 --> 02:01:54.615 um amendments. a lot of them pertaining 02:01:54.639 --> 02:01:56.135 to 02:01:56.159 --> 02:01:58.056 spelling mistakes and punctuation and 02:01:58.080 --> 02:02:01.080 whatnot. that aren't significant. 02:02:02.239 --> 02:02:04.135 and what we do have happening at the 02:02:04.159 --> 02:02:07.159 same time as is said in the um in the 02:02:07.360 --> 02:02:09.095 report is that there is a a 02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:11.016 comprehensive development control plan 02:02:11.040 --> 02:02:14.040 review underway. Now that might take the 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:17.800 12 or or or 18 months as has been um 02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:19.816 notified to me in the questions that I 02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:22.536 asked prior to to the meeting, but I 02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:25.256 really don't see the point of putting 02:02:25.280 --> 02:02:28.280 out a massive piece of of of 02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:33.880 paperwork for public public um 02:02:34.480 --> 02:02:37.256 consultation when the public are just 02:02:37.280 --> 02:02:40.280 going to have to review it again in 02:02:40.320 --> 02:02:43.320 12 or 18 months time, particularly when 02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:45.575 we've been told that the that the 02:02:45.599 --> 02:02:48.599 changes are insubstantial. So, I I would 02:02:50.480 --> 02:02:52.776 offer a further amendment or potentially 02:02:52.800 --> 02:02:55.800 a friendly um amendment to council that 02:02:57.440 --> 02:03:00.440 we defer this until the um the 02:03:01.679 --> 02:03:03.416 comprehensive development control plan 02:03:03.440 --> 02:03:05.416 review is completed. 02:03:05.440 --> 02:03:07.575 Well, we can't amend an amendment. Yeah. 02:03:07.599 --> 02:03:10.599 So, before we get to that, 02:03:11.119 --> 02:03:12.456 Okay, I'm sure Council Willis will take 02:03:12.480 --> 02:03:15.480 that on on notice. Councelor McDonald. 02:03:16.000 --> 02:03:19.000 , thank you, Mayor. Look, I won't be 02:03:19.040 --> 02:03:21.575 supporting the amendment to defer this. 02:03:21.599 --> 02:03:23.655 As my colleague 02:03:23.679 --> 02:03:26.679 um um councelor Broadbent points out, 02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:30.456 there is a substantial period of 28 days 02:03:30.480 --> 02:03:33.336 in which to consider these matters. 02:03:33.360 --> 02:03:36.360 And um were individuals, counselors 02:03:37.280 --> 02:03:40.280 not able to consider the full 02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:44.119 fullness of the 800 and whatever pages. 02:03:44.560 --> 02:03:47.560 there is a 842. Thank you um 02:03:47.679 --> 02:03:49.575 councelor Willis for that introduction. 02:03:49.599 --> 02:03:52.599 Um there is a um summary table which 02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:56.199 makes clear the um the effect of the of 02:03:57.679 --> 02:04:00.679 the amendments and they are as has 02:04:00.880 --> 02:04:03.880 been pointed out um housekeeping in so 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:07.960 far as um nonsubstantive. 02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:10.615 Um I I don't have it open in front of me 02:04:10.639 --> 02:04:13.639 immediately but there are matters which 02:04:13.760 --> 02:04:16.456 um reconcile the fact that there are 02:04:16.480 --> 02:04:19.016 references to documents which don't even 02:04:19.040 --> 02:04:22.040 exist in council's own planning. 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:25.560 Um to councelor Preston's point I I 02:04:26.480 --> 02:04:29.480 think that's reasonable and um staff 02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:32.615 understand there are matters which I 02:04:32.639 --> 02:04:35.639 have brought forward um over um the 02:04:36.000 --> 02:04:37.976 course of years which I would like to 02:04:38.000 --> 02:04:40.615 see in a more substantive matter 02:04:40.639 --> 02:04:43.639 manner resolved through a DCP tidy up 02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:48.199 though as an organization as a um as 02:04:49.920 --> 02:04:51.976 a council 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:55.000 we must be good administrators too 02:04:55.440 --> 02:04:58.440 and that is where we have found um 02:04:59.920 --> 02:05:02.920 errors in law, errors in our um our own 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:06.456 policy 02:05:06.480 --> 02:05:09.480 and errors in our own application of 02:05:09.599 --> 02:05:11.816 those policies. We ought to at the 02:05:11.840 --> 02:05:14.456 earliest possible convenience reconcile 02:05:14.480 --> 02:05:16.936 those. that is just a matter of 02:05:16.960 --> 02:05:18.856 administrative law. That's that's sort 02:05:18.880 --> 02:05:21.256 of how how organizations and model 02:05:21.280 --> 02:05:23.736 litigants ought to ought to operate so 02:05:23.760 --> 02:05:26.760 as that people have confidence in in our 02:05:27.199 --> 02:05:30.199 in our decision-m and therefore on 02:05:30.639 --> 02:05:33.256 that basis and noting the the probably 02:05:33.280 --> 02:05:36.280 reasonable um um assumption that we 02:05:36.639 --> 02:05:39.256 should just lump it all in and tie it up 02:05:39.280 --> 02:05:42.280 in a nice bow at the more substantive 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:45.560 amendments. I can't support a a 02:05:46.080 --> 02:05:47.976 decision which wouldn't address 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:50.456 administrative administrative error at 02:05:50.480 --> 02:05:53.480 the earliest possible convenience. 02:05:53.520 --> 02:05:54.856 Thanks councelor McDonald. I was going 02:05:54.880 --> 02:05:56.536 to ask a very brief brief question. I 02:05:56.560 --> 02:05:58.135 don't want to put a words in councelor 02:05:58.159 --> 02:06:00.215 Preston's mouth. We basically said that 02:06:00.239 --> 02:06:01.736 this is sort of pointless this whole 02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:04.760 exercise. I just want to miss your like 02:06:06.639 --> 02:06:08.456 rebuttal to that I guess. Why why are we 02:06:08.480 --> 02:06:11.416 doing this? Like if it Oh, I sorry I 02:06:11.440 --> 02:06:13.575 zoned out. Mela 02:06:13.599 --> 02:06:16.056 um through you Mr. Mayor, it's 02:06:16.080 --> 02:06:18.536 necessary for us to have an upto-date 02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:20.615 development control plan because the 02:06:20.639 --> 02:06:23.336 whole process of creating a what we call 02:06:23.360 --> 02:06:26.360 a 1DCP project is realistically 12 18 02:06:27.360 --> 02:06:30.360 months worth of work and in the meantime 02:06:30.719 --> 02:06:32.376 you have a development control plan that 02:06:32.400 --> 02:06:35.400 is out of date. In terms of the um 02:06:35.679 --> 02:06:38.536 number of amendments um yes they can be 02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:40.856 reviewed over the 20day 28 day notice 02:06:40.880 --> 02:06:43.880 period. We had three submissions on when 02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:45.896 we originally went out to exhibition 02:06:45.920 --> 02:06:48.536 with this um and those submission 02:06:48.560 --> 02:06:51.095 reports are also attached to this item 02:06:51.119 --> 02:06:53.336 and one of those submitters picked up 02:06:53.360 --> 02:06:55.416 much of the grammatical work that we 02:06:55.440 --> 02:06:57.336 needed to do and so we went about doing 02:06:57.360 --> 02:06:59.575 it. So in a way we want to put it back 02:06:59.599 --> 02:07:02.135 out to the community so that submitter 02:07:02.159 --> 02:07:04.055 can then take the opportunity to see 02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:05.736 that we listened and all of those 02:07:05.760 --> 02:07:07.655 extensive changes are proposed to be 02:07:07.679 --> 02:07:09.416 made. 02:07:09.440 --> 02:07:11.496 Thank you. So, further discussion on the 02:07:11.520 --> 02:07:13.496 amendment. 02:07:13.520 --> 02:07:14.776 Councilor Wils, you want to sum up 02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:17.800 debate on your amendment? 02:07:18.719 --> 02:07:20.776 Well, I'm just wondering if these are 02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:23.175 all sort of minor administrative and 02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:26.199 grammatical things, is there an is there 02:07:26.480 --> 02:07:28.536 a more 02:07:28.560 --> 02:07:30.135 um 02:07:30.159 --> 02:07:32.135 is there a better way to format and 02:07:32.159 --> 02:07:34.135 present them to us? Like, can they be 02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:37.159 summarized? like if there's multiple you 02:07:37.599 --> 02:07:40.296 know instead of I read in the staff 02:07:40.320 --> 02:07:43.320 report there were track changes um but 02:07:43.840 --> 02:07:46.776 do we need that can we not get a summary 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:49.800 of you know delete reference to XY Z 02:07:51.360 --> 02:07:53.736 throughout the document like do do we 02:07:53.760 --> 02:07:56.760 need at this point do we need to see the 02:07:57.040 --> 02:07:58.856 track changes couldn't we just see the 02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:01.256 track changes after it's come back from 02:08:01.280 --> 02:08:02.776 public consultation 02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:04.215 okay 02:08:04.239 --> 02:08:05.896 through Mr. Mayor, that's already 02:08:05.920 --> 02:08:08.456 included in the table that's attached. 02:08:08.480 --> 02:08:10.776 It's also within your gift, Mr. Mayor, 02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:12.215 that should you think that this doesn't 02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:15.016 need further consultation. I'm happy to 02:08:15.040 --> 02:08:18.040 um progress to complete it on the basis 02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:20.296 that it is actually wrapping up the 02:08:20.320 --> 02:08:22.376 consultation that has already been done, 02:08:22.400 --> 02:08:24.695 but I didn't feel that that was within 02:08:24.719 --> 02:08:26.215 my delegated authority. 02:08:26.239 --> 02:08:27.896 Okay. So council we have the option of 02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:30.296 adding a.3 I think but if there's no 02:08:30.320 --> 02:08:31.736 submissions received that had just been 02:08:31.760 --> 02:08:32.776 endorsed and doesn't come back to 02:08:32.800 --> 02:08:35.016 council. Is that what you're saying? 02:08:35.040 --> 02:08:35.976 Yep. 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:37.736 Okay. But for now we're dealing with the 02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:39.575 amendment which is to not make a 02:08:39.599 --> 02:08:41.896 decision tonight. Council Willis, you 02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:44.920 had the floor. 02:08:45.199 --> 02:08:47.095 I don't know. I'm exhausted by this 02:08:47.119 --> 02:08:49.896 job. Like we're we're not robots. No, 02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:51.496 it's not funny. Actually, it's a serious 02:08:51.520 --> 02:08:54.296 point I'm making. that paper it attach 02:08:54.320 --> 02:08:56.296 that attachment is larger than some 02:08:56.320 --> 02:08:57.816 whole business papers and attachments 02:08:57.840 --> 02:09:00.840 for our meetings and you know at some 02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:03.575 point we have to it has to be accepted 02:09:03.599 --> 02:09:05.816 that we need time to look at things I 02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:07.736 don't know what's in what what changes 02:09:07.760 --> 02:09:09.896 there are here I didn't have time to 02:09:09.920 --> 02:09:11.416 read them as well as doing the other 02:09:11.440 --> 02:09:13.496 work maybe everybody else has read them 02:09:13.520 --> 02:09:15.575 I don't know I couldn't read them 02:09:15.599 --> 02:09:18.215 physically I couldn't read them read the 02:09:18.239 --> 02:09:21.239 files um now I'm being asked to what 02:09:21.360 --> 02:09:23.575 just sign off and hope I don't have any 02:09:23.599 --> 02:09:25.896 questions and when will I when will I do 02:09:25.920 --> 02:09:28.135 anything about them? It's very 02:09:28.159 --> 02:09:30.615 unsatisfactory, Mr. Mayor. The workload 02:09:30.639 --> 02:09:32.456 that we're we just get all this stuff 02:09:32.480 --> 02:09:35.480 shoveled at us and somehow like 02:09:35.679 --> 02:09:37.016 Okay, I think you've made your point. 02:09:37.040 --> 02:09:40.040 Have I made my point? 1240 pages, not 02:09:40.960 --> 02:09:42.936 including the Stantech report. 02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:44.776 Okay, we're going to put the amendment. 02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:46.376 All those in favor of the amendment are 02:09:46.400 --> 02:09:48.135 councilors Waterhouse and Willis and 02:09:48.159 --> 02:09:50.456 against Council Broadbent, Grundy, 02:09:50.480 --> 02:09:52.615 Macdonald, Preston, Schwer, Tascowski, 02:09:52.639 --> 02:09:54.776 Wilson, and Winchester. I declare it 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:56.776 lost. Would someone like to move in 02:09:56.800 --> 02:09:58.215 another amendment? Council McDonald. 02:09:58.239 --> 02:10:01.239 I will um and hoping for the 02:10:03.040 --> 02:10:05.016 concurrence of the mover, I think it's 02:10:05.040 --> 02:10:08.040 council Broadbent, that a.3 02:10:08.800 --> 02:10:10.296 um 02:10:10.320 --> 02:10:13.320 be included. if no 02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:15.655 just just do it as an amendment to make 02:10:15.679 --> 02:10:16.296 it easier. 02:10:16.320 --> 02:10:18.695 Oh, sorry. I'll beg your pardon. if 02:10:18.719 --> 02:10:21.719 no submissions are received 02:10:22.239 --> 02:10:25.239 that the um 02:10:25.840 --> 02:10:28.135 that the housekeeping amendments are 02:10:28.159 --> 02:10:29.336 adopted. 02:10:29.360 --> 02:10:30.776 Are you happy to accept that councelor 02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:32.135 Broadman? And we'll just add it in 02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:35.159 there. Yeah. Okay. Further discussion? 02:10:36.719 --> 02:10:37.976 If not, I'm going to put the motion. And 02:10:38.000 --> 02:10:40.456 all those in favor that is everyone 02:10:40.480 --> 02:10:42.135 except councelor Willis and against 02:10:42.159 --> 02:10:43.976 councelor Willis I declare carried. 02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:46.296 Councilors next item is 9.7 which I've 02:10:46.320 --> 02:10:48.135 declared an interest in as my daughter 02:10:48.159 --> 02:10:50.695 is a attends Carib High School 02:10:50.719 --> 02:10:52.215 performing arts. So I'm going to leave 02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:53.496 the chamber. I'm going to hand over to 02:10:53.520 --> 02:10:55.095 the general manager to help you elect a 02:10:55.119 --> 02:10:58.119 chair. 02:10:58.320 --> 02:11:00.856 Thank you. Mr. Mayor, is there any 02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:03.880 nomination for a chair to take over? 02:11:04.239 --> 02:11:06.135 Council Granddonald. 02:11:06.159 --> 02:11:09.159 Councelor McDonald. Is there a seconder? 02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:12.615 Councelor Broadbent. Anyone else willing 02:11:12.639 --> 02:11:15.639 to nominate? 02:11:15.840 --> 02:11:16.936 Council McDonald, would you like to come 02:11:16.960 --> 02:11:19.960 and take the chair? 02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:58.776 The item is 02:11:58.800 --> 02:12:01.416 item 9.7 which is Caraba High School 02:12:01.440 --> 02:12:04.135 Performance Curriculum Partnershipou. Is 02:12:04.159 --> 02:12:05.896 there a move for the motion? Councelor 02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:08.456 Waterhouse and the second councelor 02:12:08.480 --> 02:12:11.256 Preston. Councelor Waterhouse. thank 02:12:11.280 --> 02:12:14.280 you um acting chair councelor. Um I feel 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:18.536 very strongly about this one as an old 02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:21.016 performer of my own background. I'm as 02:12:21.040 --> 02:12:24.040 an educator of some 50 years of being on 02:12:24.320 --> 02:12:27.320 the the arts the AC/DC committee as 02:12:27.520 --> 02:12:28.776 we call it the arts and cultural 02:12:28.800 --> 02:12:31.416 development advisory committee. Um and 02:12:31.440 --> 02:12:34.296 and very fond of the Q theater and very 02:12:34.320 --> 02:12:36.215 fond of performing arts units at 02:12:36.239 --> 02:12:38.776 schools. And I spend a lot of my 02:12:38.800 --> 02:12:40.856 career um supporting performing arts 02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:43.496 students and this is a marvelous move 02:12:43.520 --> 02:12:46.376 and and can only benefit not just the 02:12:46.400 --> 02:12:48.615 school the school kids it'll benefit the 02:12:48.639 --> 02:12:51.639 entire community. It's a great idea. 02:12:52.480 --> 02:12:54.615 Thank you councel waterhouse councelor 02:12:54.639 --> 02:12:55.575 Preston. 02:12:55.599 --> 02:12:58.599 Thank you um acting mayor. Um I I also 02:12:59.040 --> 02:13:01.416 fully endorse this and and strongly 02:13:01.440 --> 02:13:04.135 support this. Um, I think this is 02:13:04.159 --> 02:13:06.376 exactly the the sort of thing that 02:13:06.400 --> 02:13:08.376 council should be doing with the this 02:13:08.400 --> 02:13:10.135 fantastic asset that we have here next 02:13:10.159 --> 02:13:13.159 door. Um, and and I look forward to 02:13:13.599 --> 02:13:16.376 seeing the fruits of of of of this 02:13:16.400 --> 02:13:19.400 this labor. I think um the other kind of 02:13:20.400 --> 02:13:22.376 side of this discussion is that we 02:13:22.400 --> 02:13:24.856 perhaps need to have a think about how 02:13:24.880 --> 02:13:27.880 um we allow perhaps the less wellunded 02:13:28.719 --> 02:13:31.719 groups around the place to get access to 02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:34.856 to the queue. Um that's a big question 02:13:34.880 --> 02:13:37.880 um that requires more more um input 02:13:38.719 --> 02:13:40.936 than we have time for here. But I just 02:13:40.960 --> 02:13:43.256 briefly wanted to strongly support 02:13:43.280 --> 02:13:45.095 support support this motion as it stands 02:13:45.119 --> 02:13:48.119 and council order house's comments. 02:13:48.719 --> 02:13:50.376 Thank you councelor Preston. Further 02:13:50.400 --> 02:13:52.936 debate councelor Broadbent. 02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:55.960 Thank you chair. I will be supporting 02:13:56.159 --> 02:13:58.456 this motion. Um I think it's a very very 02:13:58.480 --> 02:14:01.480 very affordable option for what is um 02:14:02.560 --> 02:14:05.560 a valuable I guess offering to our 02:14:05.840 --> 02:14:08.840 community. Um I have a a financial 02:14:09.840 --> 02:14:11.496 technical question that I have asked 02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:13.736 previously on numerous occasions and I 02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:16.055 would love a just to have have that 02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:17.816 fleshed out in this specific case. So 02:14:17.840 --> 02:14:20.840 through through you chair um 02:14:22.239 --> 02:14:25.239 how do we account for the waving of fees 02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:30.520 in our actual accounts? 02:14:30.800 --> 02:14:33.800 General Manager, 02:14:34.239 --> 02:14:35.976 Miss Monahan or Miss Riches, are you 02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:37.095 going to respond to this question 02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:40.119 respectively to this paper? 02:14:47.199 --> 02:14:50.199 um through your mayor. Um 02:14:51.199 --> 02:14:54.199 we um we don't always book fees and then 02:14:54.639 --> 02:14:57.639 make a donation if um there are um 02:15:01.199 --> 02:15:02.615 I think I'll I'll take the question on 02:15:02.639 --> 02:15:04.695 notice and review the agreement. 02:15:04.719 --> 02:15:06.776 Yeah. Okay. 02:15:06.800 --> 02:15:09.800 Um 02:15:10.000 --> 02:15:12.296 there we could um consider it through 02:15:12.320 --> 02:15:14.296 our category H and record it in that 02:15:14.320 --> 02:15:15.655 way. 02:15:15.679 --> 02:15:18.679 I I guess my my concern is so it's not 02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:22.376 really a concern. It is probably just 02:15:22.400 --> 02:15:25.400 goes to I guess financial rigor here. If 02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:27.256 we are 02:15:27.280 --> 02:15:29.976 forgoing fees, the reason fees exist is 02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:31.736 because they account for damage and use 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:33.336 of the facility and the and the cost of 02:15:33.360 --> 02:15:35.016 upkeep, right? That's why fees exist. 02:15:35.040 --> 02:15:37.575 It's not these these fees aren't for us 02:15:37.599 --> 02:15:39.736 to make money necessarily. That's what 02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:42.536 our rate is for in in some ways. is the 02:15:42.560 --> 02:15:44.055 actual fees for our facilities is about 02:15:44.079 --> 02:15:46.936 upkeep. So when we start letting people 02:15:46.960 --> 02:15:49.336 use facilities without fees, that means 02:15:49.360 --> 02:15:50.936 we're forgoing the money that's used to 02:15:50.960 --> 02:15:53.655 upkeep that property. Therefore, those 02:15:53.679 --> 02:15:56.679 we are missing on out on revenue um that 02:15:57.119 --> 02:15:59.175 is essentially balanced in our balance 02:15:59.199 --> 02:16:01.736 sheet for accounting for the loss um of 02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:04.760 and damage that occurs from use. I'm not 02:16:04.880 --> 02:16:06.135 saying there's going to be substantial 02:16:06.159 --> 02:16:08.215 damage in these cases, but it is an 02:16:08.239 --> 02:16:10.376 ongoing concern of mine that we are not 02:16:10.400 --> 02:16:11.896 financially 02:16:11.920 --> 02:16:13.976 um playing co paying close enough 02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:17.000 attention to the the waving of fees. 02:16:18.480 --> 02:16:20.135 Fees that are being waved should be 02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:22.135 budgeted. They should be tracked and 02:16:22.159 --> 02:16:25.159 that's allows us to correspond that to 02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:27.816 depreciation of assets and and and 02:16:27.840 --> 02:16:30.135 whatnot. I don't think I'm not this is 02:16:30.159 --> 02:16:33.159 not because I believe it needs to be it 02:16:33.439 --> 02:16:35.096 we shouldn't be donating and and and 02:16:35.120 --> 02:16:36.776 waving fees. I just am not comfortable 02:16:36.800 --> 02:16:38.375 that we're tracking it properly 02:16:38.399 --> 02:16:41.399 financially and I will be um talking to 02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:44.695 the Eric about this um when I catch up 02:16:44.719 --> 02:16:46.056 with the chair next because it is an 02:16:46.080 --> 02:16:48.375 ongoing concern of mine. Thank you. 02:16:48.399 --> 02:16:50.056 Thank you councelor Broadbent. Any 02:16:50.080 --> 02:16:53.080 further debate? Councelor Wilson, 02:16:53.359 --> 02:16:55.415 without wanting to extend your reign as 02:16:55.439 --> 02:16:57.976 acting chair, , councelor McDonald, 02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:01.000 quick quick comments, , a fantasticou, 02:17:02.160 --> 02:17:04.535 a big a big tick to staff. I remember 02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:06.615 this conversation in the chamber maybe a 02:17:06.639 --> 02:17:08.936 couple of years ago about, , schools 02:17:08.960 --> 02:17:11.256 being able to access our queue. , 02:17:11.280 --> 02:17:13.176 councelor Preston picked up on about 02:17:13.200 --> 02:17:15.176 some more other smaller schools, how 02:17:15.200 --> 02:17:17.575 this might be a thing. So, this is aou, 02:17:17.599 --> 02:17:19.176 it's a more substantive piece with the 02:17:19.200 --> 02:17:21.495 performing arts high school. and 02:17:21.519 --> 02:17:23.176 group, but I think we need to think 02:17:23.200 --> 02:17:25.736 about um how we get access and make sure 02:17:25.760 --> 02:17:27.976 the queue is available to everyone. I 02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:29.976 don't, as I've debated with councelor 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:31.896 Broadbent, I don't entirely agree, but I 02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:33.016 see where he's coming from. I look 02:17:33.040 --> 02:17:34.615 forward to what Eric thinks. It's not a 02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:36.776 big input, and if we have to account 02:17:36.800 --> 02:17:38.295 through category H money goaround 02:17:38.319 --> 02:17:39.896 donations, then we can just extend that 02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:41.655 out. We have to be a bit careful to 02:17:41.679 --> 02:17:44.535 assume that a fee with gone is a with 02:17:44.559 --> 02:17:47.096 with not collected is equivalent to a 02:17:47.120 --> 02:17:49.016 you know, a fee collected how that 02:17:49.040 --> 02:17:50.695 didn't make sense. A fee for gaunt is 02:17:50.719 --> 02:17:52.216 not exactly the same as a fee collected 02:17:52.240 --> 02:17:54.856 because it is only a cost of electricity 02:17:54.880 --> 02:17:57.736 and a small maintenance cost 02:17:57.760 --> 02:17:59.335 obviously through depreciation of the 02:17:59.359 --> 02:18:01.415 use of the facility. So anyway on that 02:18:01.439 --> 02:18:03.176 one happy to support this one. Thank 02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:04.695 you chair. 02:18:04.719 --> 02:18:06.455 Thank you councelor Wilson. Further 02:18:06.479 --> 02:18:09.256 debate. Councelor Waterhouse do you want 02:18:09.280 --> 02:18:10.856 to close? No. 02:18:10.880 --> 02:18:12.776 Councelor Grundy. Sorry. 02:18:12.800 --> 02:18:15.800 Um thank you acting 02:18:16.479 --> 02:18:18.295 chair. 02:18:18.319 --> 02:18:21.319 I just wanted to follow up on a 02:18:21.439 --> 02:18:23.896 comment that councelor Broadbent made 02:18:23.920 --> 02:18:26.920 regarding the waving of fees. Um I have 02:18:27.519 --> 02:18:30.519 no particular objection to this 02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:33.719 recommendation. Um but I do think it's 02:18:34.479 --> 02:18:37.479 important somehow we do have a record of 02:18:37.519 --> 02:18:40.519 these sorts of um 02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:42.936 allowances 02:18:42.960 --> 02:18:45.960 um because um that's part that should be 02:18:46.960 --> 02:18:49.960 part of um us approaching um our role 02:18:50.880 --> 02:18:53.880 responsibly in keeping a record of um 02:18:55.040 --> 02:18:57.816 waved fees, charges, etc. 02:18:57.840 --> 02:19:00.375 um if we don't then we're not in a 02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:02.695 position really to 02:19:02.719 --> 02:19:05.335 um have a full understanding of the 02:19:05.359 --> 02:19:08.359 extent to which we wave our fees. Um, so 02:19:09.760 --> 02:19:12.760 I I wonder if there's any appetite for a 02:19:12.880 --> 02:19:15.816 small amendment here to accommodate 02:19:15.840 --> 02:19:18.840 something like um either um the the 02:19:20.479 --> 02:19:23.479 waving to be accounted under an existing 02:19:24.639 --> 02:19:26.695 um 02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:29.719 donation category or that a record be 02:19:31.519 --> 02:19:34.216 commenced for the waving of fees and 02:19:34.240 --> 02:19:37.016 charges. I I'm asking the question of my 02:19:37.040 --> 02:19:40.040 colleagues. 02:19:41.040 --> 02:19:42.856 Are you putting forward an amendment, 02:19:42.880 --> 02:19:44.056 Councelor Grundy? 02:19:44.080 --> 02:19:46.535 I'm putting forward um I guess a 02:19:46.559 --> 02:19:48.136 question as to whether there'd be any 02:19:48.160 --> 02:19:50.776 appetite for that to be added as an 02:19:50.800 --> 02:19:52.616 amendment. 02:19:52.640 --> 02:19:55.335 Well, I'll look at councelor Waterhouse 02:19:55.359 --> 02:19:58.359 who doesn't appear to support that. I 02:19:59.280 --> 02:20:01.096 I'd be interested in developing 02:20:01.120 --> 02:20:02.936 something further at a bigger picture, 02:20:02.960 --> 02:20:04.696 but for this particular item, no, I 02:20:04.720 --> 02:20:07.256 don't think happy to discuss later. 02:20:07.280 --> 02:20:08.776 Okay. For the purposes of a friendly, 02:20:08.800 --> 02:20:10.455 that's not accepted. So, is there any 02:20:10.479 --> 02:20:12.216 further debate? 02:20:12.240 --> 02:20:13.976 Council Waterhouse, do you want to sum 02:20:14.000 --> 02:20:14.696 up? 02:20:14.720 --> 02:20:16.616 No, just to repeat what I said earlier, 02:20:16.640 --> 02:20:18.536 it's a marvelous project and I love 02:20:18.560 --> 02:20:21.415 to see um the youth of and and these are 02:20:21.439 --> 02:20:23.656 youth of of the the district um 02:20:23.680 --> 02:20:26.295 benefiting by it its contact with 02:20:26.319 --> 02:20:29.096 professionals in the queue. 02:20:29.120 --> 02:20:32.120 Thanks, Councelor Waterhouse. Um, that 02:20:32.160 --> 02:20:35.160 being said, I put the motion, those 02:20:35.920 --> 02:20:38.920 that opinion or those agreeing, 02:20:39.760 --> 02:20:42.760 it's unanimous 02:20:47.920 --> 02:20:50.920 and carried. Um, do we want to call back 02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:54.056 the mayor? 02:20:54.080 --> 02:20:57.080 The 9 02:21:38.640 --> 02:21:41.640 Thank you, Councelor McDonald. 02:21:42.240 --> 02:21:45.240 9.8 is the QPRC Disability Inclusion 02:21:45.760 --> 02:21:48.616 Action Plan 2026 to 2030. Move, Council 02:21:48.640 --> 02:21:51.016 McDonald and seconded, Council Willis. 02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:52.375 Councelor McDonald. 02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:54.136 Um, thank you, Mayor. It's different 02:21:54.160 --> 02:21:57.160 from here. Um, look, um, colleagues, I, 02:21:59.280 --> 02:22:02.280 , I endorse, um, the QPRC disability 02:22:04.880 --> 02:22:07.576 inclusion action plan, , for the next, 02:22:07.600 --> 02:22:10.600 , four years out to 2030 to you and 02:22:11.359 --> 02:22:14.056 hope that you will, , join me in 02:22:14.080 --> 02:22:16.616 endorsing it out to the community for 02:22:16.640 --> 02:22:19.640 public exhibition for 28 days. 02:22:19.840 --> 02:22:22.840 Um, I have a a great privilege of of 02:22:23.680 --> 02:22:26.680 chairing the um the the access committee 02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:30.600 and and working with staff and 02:22:33.760 --> 02:22:36.295 and community members who have been 02:22:36.319 --> 02:22:39.319 working very hard to develop this the 02:22:40.640 --> 02:22:43.640 framework. Um this is not a nice to 02:22:44.080 --> 02:22:47.080 have. this is a requirement by state 02:22:47.439 --> 02:22:49.736 legislation that we do have a plan and 02:22:49.760 --> 02:22:51.896 we have an extent plan. This is the plan 02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:54.616 which as I mentioned carries us out to 02:22:54.640 --> 02:22:57.640 including 2030. Um but were we even 02:22:59.920 --> 02:23:02.920 not to be required by the state 02:23:03.359 --> 02:23:05.096 government to have the plan, I would 02:23:05.120 --> 02:23:08.120 hope we would do so because there are 02:23:08.240 --> 02:23:11.240 matters in our plan that will 02:23:12.319 --> 02:23:15.319 enhance the access for members of our 02:23:16.240 --> 02:23:19.240 community. in the short time that has 02:23:20.800 --> 02:23:23.800 passed since the development and um and 02:23:24.000 --> 02:23:27.000 um and adoption of the previous plan. 02:23:29.200 --> 02:23:31.896 Things have changed in this space too. 02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:34.920 We have had greater visibility of of um 02:23:36.880 --> 02:23:39.880 different types including of of 02:23:40.319 --> 02:23:41.976 disability including within 02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:43.736 neurodeiversity. 02:23:43.760 --> 02:23:46.760 and how we as a council can um build 02:23:49.840 --> 02:23:52.840 our region to a a better place to be 02:23:54.160 --> 02:23:57.160 more accessible for citizens of all 02:23:58.319 --> 02:23:59.976 abilities. 02:24:00.000 --> 02:24:01.496 Um 02:24:01.520 --> 02:24:04.520 the um the the work which has been done 02:24:06.240 --> 02:24:09.240 is is substantial. and I do um um 02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:14.760 highlight Joe Wary who is the um 02:24:16.640 --> 02:24:18.375 relevant staff member who acts as 02:24:18.399 --> 02:24:21.176 secretariat for the committee and Ronnie 02:24:21.200 --> 02:24:24.200 Orz who I understand is it might have 02:24:24.800 --> 02:24:26.776 now left the organization but has 02:24:26.800 --> 02:24:29.335 contributed a lot to the development of 02:24:29.359 --> 02:24:32.359 this plan. The one thing I would say 02:24:32.880 --> 02:24:35.880 about this plan is what it does not have 02:24:36.880 --> 02:24:39.256 and that is of the greatest concern to 02:24:39.280 --> 02:24:42.280 me and that is money. 02:24:42.720 --> 02:24:45.720 This is a great plan but without 02:24:46.479 --> 02:24:49.479 funding to give effect to its intent 02:24:51.040 --> 02:24:53.335 and its recommendations. 02:24:53.359 --> 02:24:56.359 It is a piece of paper. and that is 02:24:57.120 --> 02:24:59.736 something which does concern me though 02:24:59.760 --> 02:25:02.536 I've been working with staff to 02:25:02.560 --> 02:25:04.776 identify some of the immediate and 02:25:04.800 --> 02:25:07.016 lowhanging fruit from the plan which we 02:25:07.040 --> 02:25:10.040 could almost immediately adopt. and 02:25:10.560 --> 02:25:12.856 I'll be looking for colleagues support 02:25:12.880 --> 02:25:15.880 as we begin to pick those off um and 02:25:16.960 --> 02:25:19.960 include within future budgets and in 02:25:20.960 --> 02:25:23.960 um in grant opportunity funding rounds 02:25:24.399 --> 02:25:25.976 through the state and federal 02:25:26.000 --> 02:25:28.375 governments and and other organizations 02:25:28.399 --> 02:25:31.399 who might fund this work. I commend 02:25:31.680 --> 02:25:34.680 this this um draft plan to to you 02:25:36.960 --> 02:25:39.736 mayor and through your colleagues and 02:25:39.760 --> 02:25:41.896 hope that you'll support it's going to 02:25:41.920 --> 02:25:44.455 the community for their contributions 02:25:44.479 --> 02:25:46.776 which I look forward to. 02:25:46.800 --> 02:25:47.976 Thank you. Council McDonald, councelor 02:25:48.000 --> 02:25:51.000 Willis. yes, just briefly I wanted to 02:25:51.600 --> 02:25:53.976 I tend to agree with councelor McDonald 02:25:54.000 --> 02:25:57.000 that one thing that did stand out was 02:25:57.200 --> 02:25:59.176 making sure there's strong financial 02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:01.816 commitment because from what I could see 02:26:01.840 --> 02:26:04.295 a lot of actions weren't going to start 02:26:04.319 --> 02:26:07.319 until the second year of this plan. Um I 02:26:08.479 --> 02:26:10.856 also wanted to know will council receive 02:26:10.880 --> 02:26:13.880 annual reporting on progress with 02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:16.216 implementing the action plan. Miss 02:26:16.240 --> 02:26:18.295 Richards. 02:26:18.319 --> 02:26:20.616 through you, Mr. Mayor. that 02:26:20.640 --> 02:26:22.455 reporting comes in the annual report, 02:26:22.479 --> 02:26:24.616 but if council would like an update, I 02:26:24.640 --> 02:26:27.096 can certainly do that in a year's time. 02:26:27.120 --> 02:26:29.335 I'm sorry I missed. What did you say? It 02:26:29.359 --> 02:26:30.616 would come where? 02:26:30.640 --> 02:26:32.616 In the annual report. 02:26:32.640 --> 02:26:33.896 Oh, thank you. No, that that's 02:26:33.920 --> 02:26:36.920 sufficient. Um so one particular 02:26:38.240 --> 02:26:40.856 question I had is um it's interesting 02:26:40.880 --> 02:26:42.776 because those of us who use the internet 02:26:42.800 --> 02:26:45.800 and um and have smartphones, we we're 02:26:46.960 --> 02:26:48.295 accustomed to getting a lot of our 02:26:48.319 --> 02:26:51.319 information online, but um some of the 02:26:51.520 --> 02:26:54.136 feedback that's included in the 02:26:54.160 --> 02:26:55.816 annual report. some of the suggestions 02:26:55.840 --> 02:26:58.840 for improvements um was around 02:26:59.520 --> 02:27:01.415 finding other ways to get council 02:27:01.439 --> 02:27:03.335 information, important information to 02:27:03.359 --> 02:27:06.136 people who have different needs. So 02:27:06.160 --> 02:27:07.976 that's under action three. I actually 02:27:08.000 --> 02:27:10.616 think that's really important because 02:27:10.640 --> 02:27:12.696 knowing what's going on, knowing the 02:27:12.720 --> 02:27:15.335 opportunities, knowing events and that 02:27:15.359 --> 02:27:17.415 um is really important. I know older 02:27:17.439 --> 02:27:20.439 people who don't use the internet and 02:27:20.560 --> 02:27:23.176 people who have trouble um who might be 02:27:23.200 --> 02:27:26.200 visually impaired may have difficulty 02:27:26.720 --> 02:27:28.616 and I'm wondering whether the staff 02:27:28.640 --> 02:27:31.640 would give some thought to what are some 02:27:31.760 --> 02:27:34.616 central locations where we can provide 02:27:34.640 --> 02:27:37.640 alternative sorts of information. I 02:27:38.000 --> 02:27:39.576 know, for example, there's lots of 02:27:39.600 --> 02:27:42.295 flyers in the foyer downstairs here 02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:43.576 about different things that are 02:27:43.600 --> 02:27:44.776 happening because there's some people 02:27:44.800 --> 02:27:47.800 who still need print material without 02:27:48.000 --> 02:27:49.976 spending a fortune on producing things 02:27:50.000 --> 02:27:52.056 and posting them out to people. I just 02:27:52.080 --> 02:27:53.976 think it'd be good to explore that a bit 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:55.016 more. 02:27:55.040 --> 02:27:57.096 I'm sure staff will take that on notice. 02:27:57.120 --> 02:28:00.056 further discussion 02:28:00.080 --> 02:28:03.080 if not 02:28:04.160 --> 02:28:05.176 quickly 02:28:05.200 --> 02:28:08.200 a quick um in in summary a quick 02:28:08.640 --> 02:28:11.176 response to council Willis this 02:28:11.200 --> 02:28:13.896 committee is very well aware of of those 02:28:13.920 --> 02:28:16.920 um matters where people don't or have 02:28:17.120 --> 02:28:19.176 varied types of access and access 02:28:19.200 --> 02:28:21.496 information in very different ways. 02:28:21.520 --> 02:28:23.176 is we've got a good geographical 02:28:23.200 --> 02:28:24.776 representation 02:28:24.800 --> 02:28:27.800 across our committee and 02:28:27.840 --> 02:28:29.896 they've been a great help to us in 02:28:29.920 --> 02:28:32.920 disseminating information which has 02:28:33.359 --> 02:28:36.295 helped us to develop this plan. But 02:28:36.319 --> 02:28:37.816 yes, point taken. 02:28:37.840 --> 02:28:39.016 Okay, we're going to put the motion. All 02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:42.040 those in favor that is unanimous. The 02:28:42.399 --> 02:28:45.399 next item is 9.9 review of council's 02:28:45.520 --> 02:28:47.496 climate change action plans. Let's move 02:28:47.520 --> 02:28:48.696 councelor Willis and second councelor 02:28:48.720 --> 02:28:49.976 Wilson. Councelor Willis. 02:28:50.000 --> 02:28:51.896 yes, thank you. This is fairly 02:28:51.920 --> 02:28:54.856 straightforward. we need to improve 02:28:54.880 --> 02:28:57.016 the plans and pulling them together. I 02:28:57.040 --> 02:28:59.976 think should get council to focus a 02:29:00.000 --> 02:29:02.216 bit more on the community plans. As I've 02:29:02.240 --> 02:29:04.295 said, often times council emissions 02:29:04.319 --> 02:29:07.319 account for around 1% of the LGA. So, if 02:29:07.439 --> 02:29:09.896 we're going to see progress in the 02:29:09.920 --> 02:29:12.536 other in the overwhelming source of 02:29:12.560 --> 02:29:14.856 greenhouse gas emissions, then we 02:29:14.880 --> 02:29:17.096 need to be looking at how council can 02:29:17.120 --> 02:29:19.256 support the community. I just wanted for 02:29:19.280 --> 02:29:22.280 the staff's benefit, I just wanted to um 02:29:22.640 --> 02:29:25.496 propose that when we re we get the 02:29:25.520 --> 02:29:28.520 new draft community action plan that 02:29:28.800 --> 02:29:31.496 we take on board this new program that 02:29:31.520 --> 02:29:33.736 the federal government announced earlier 02:29:33.760 --> 02:29:36.760 this month to u to provide financial 02:29:37.359 --> 02:29:39.656 incentives for business that's 02:29:39.680 --> 02:29:41.656 commercial and farming enterprises, 02:29:41.680 --> 02:29:44.680 private schools, etc. to install um 02:29:44.720 --> 02:29:47.720 solar power on their roofs. Um 02:29:48.479 --> 02:29:51.479 there's a a change to the small scale um 02:29:51.840 --> 02:29:53.176 I've forgotten what's called renewable 02:29:53.200 --> 02:29:56.200 energy certificate scheme. So that I 02:29:56.319 --> 02:29:57.896 think that's an area that we haven't 02:29:57.920 --> 02:29:59.415 tended to focus on but if you look 02:29:59.439 --> 02:30:02.439 around all the roof space in in towns 02:30:02.640 --> 02:30:05.640 and commercial um developments I know a 02:30:05.840 --> 02:30:07.576 lot of farmers have started to install 02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:09.415 renewable energy. Anyway, I just wanted 02:30:09.439 --> 02:30:12.439 to to note that um good announcement. 02:30:13.280 --> 02:30:14.536 Thank you councelor Willis. Councelor 02:30:14.560 --> 02:30:15.335 Wilson. 02:30:15.359 --> 02:30:17.736 thank you mayor. I firstly just 02:30:17.760 --> 02:30:19.176 want to thank the sustainability 02:30:19.200 --> 02:30:20.455 committee that was obviously part of 02:30:20.479 --> 02:30:21.976 their work to say that we probably want 02:30:22.000 --> 02:30:24.056 to bring these two together. as 02:30:24.080 --> 02:30:27.080 councelor Willis has noted we are 1% of 02:30:27.760 --> 02:30:30.760 the overall emissions roughly. Um and 02:30:30.800 --> 02:30:32.295 we're doing some good work in our own 02:30:32.319 --> 02:30:35.096 patch and we'll continue to do so. 02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:37.256 but there is still more to work to do in 02:30:37.280 --> 02:30:38.776 the community and I think it's important 02:30:38.800 --> 02:30:40.216 that we're not going to be able to 02:30:40.240 --> 02:30:42.216 you know expend too many too much rate 02:30:42.240 --> 02:30:45.240 payer money on outside of our patch. 02:30:45.280 --> 02:30:47.415 but we can work with the federal and 02:30:47.439 --> 02:30:49.176 state governments to try and look 02:30:49.200 --> 02:30:51.415 about you know solar for renters and 02:30:51.439 --> 02:30:52.536 things programs like that. So I think 02:30:52.560 --> 02:30:53.656 we've got a leadership role to play 02:30:53.680 --> 02:30:56.616 outside um our own operations. Thank you 02:30:56.640 --> 02:30:57.656 may 02:30:57.680 --> 02:30:58.936 council Broadbent. 02:30:58.960 --> 02:31:01.960 Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um through you Mr. 02:31:02.080 --> 02:31:04.295 Mayor I just like staff if possible to 02:31:04.319 --> 02:31:06.216 clarify the wording of this 02:31:06.240 --> 02:31:09.240 recommendation. Um it's 02:31:09.439 --> 02:31:12.439 as read if we vote for this. I intend to 02:31:12.479 --> 02:31:15.479 vote for the the idea to do the plan. Um 02:31:16.000 --> 02:31:17.816 I'm just a bit confused about the end 02:31:17.840 --> 02:31:19.576 public exhibition bit that's chucked on 02:31:19.600 --> 02:31:22.136 the end there. Um because the actual 02:31:22.160 --> 02:31:23.736 summary and background material says 02:31:23.760 --> 02:31:26.136 that it's going to come back to council 02:31:26.160 --> 02:31:27.816 um which is different to what that 02:31:27.840 --> 02:31:30.696 motion in front of us or recommendation 02:31:30.720 --> 02:31:33.016 leads to. And I just would like a bit of 02:31:33.040 --> 02:31:34.295 clarity there if possible. 02:31:34.319 --> 02:31:35.176 Mr. Mill 02:31:35.200 --> 02:31:36.856 um through you Mr. Mayor. Um, thank you 02:31:36.880 --> 02:31:38.616 for the question and and I would agree 02:31:38.640 --> 02:31:40.696 that um, public exhibition isn't 02:31:40.720 --> 02:31:42.856 required in this resolution. We're 02:31:42.880 --> 02:31:44.295 seeking a resolution because it's a 02:31:44.319 --> 02:31:46.295 substantive piece of work that'll be 02:31:46.319 --> 02:31:48.856 bringing together two of the plans that 02:31:48.880 --> 02:31:51.176 are your adopted plans and we wouldn't 02:31:51.200 --> 02:31:53.415 want to progress to create one without 02:31:53.439 --> 02:31:56.439 this um without this resolution. So our 02:31:56.800 --> 02:31:59.800 intention isn't to secure um any um 02:32:00.080 --> 02:32:03.080 endorsement tonight to progress to um 02:32:04.240 --> 02:32:06.136 exhibition that will come back to you. 02:32:06.160 --> 02:32:09.160 Wonderful. So are you would you say the 02:32:09.680 --> 02:32:12.680 review is part stays as part of this 02:32:13.280 --> 02:32:15.016 item? Um obviously that's a change to 02:32:15.040 --> 02:32:16.536 the to the recommendation that was 02:32:16.560 --> 02:32:18.375 moved. Is it best that I move that as an 02:32:18.399 --> 02:32:21.399 amendment or shall I ask for a 02:32:21.840 --> 02:32:22.856 friendly? 02:32:22.880 --> 02:32:24.696 Just want to make sure we update the 02:32:24.720 --> 02:32:27.176 motion so it reflects what should be. 02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:29.016 Mala, can you guide the minute taker on 02:32:29.040 --> 02:32:30.856 what it should say? 02:32:30.880 --> 02:32:32.776 through you, Mr. Mayor. Um the 02:32:32.800 --> 02:32:34.295 recommendation should just be that 02:32:34.319 --> 02:32:36.375 council endorse the drafting of a new 02:32:36.399 --> 02:32:38.375 climate change action plan which is to 02:32:38.399 --> 02:32:41.399 include progress metrics and monitoring 02:32:41.600 --> 02:32:44.295 framework for review. Full stop. 02:32:44.319 --> 02:32:45.816 Okay. and councilors Willis and Wilson 02:32:45.840 --> 02:32:47.496 are happy with that change. 02:32:47.520 --> 02:32:47.976 Okay, 02:32:48.000 --> 02:32:49.976 thank you. 02:32:50.000 --> 02:32:52.536 Okay, councelor Preston, I just had a 02:32:52.560 --> 02:32:54.776 quick question. Um, do we have any idea 02:32:54.800 --> 02:32:56.216 what sort of time frame we're looking at 02:32:56.240 --> 02:32:58.375 from this one? 02:32:58.399 --> 02:32:59.896 Sorry if it's already in the paper. I 02:32:59.920 --> 02:33:02.056 apologize. I've missed it. 02:33:02.080 --> 02:33:03.816 Three, Mr. Mayor. This will be back with 02:33:03.840 --> 02:33:06.696 council before Christmas. Um, I'm hoping 02:33:06.720 --> 02:33:09.016 to secure your endorsement, but we 02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:10.536 wouldn't go out for community 02:33:10.560 --> 02:33:12.375 consultation until after the festive 02:33:12.399 --> 02:33:15.176 period. 02:33:15.200 --> 02:33:17.176 Thanks, Council Waterhouse. Thanks, Mr. 02:33:17.200 --> 02:33:19.176 May. This is a question really. Is 02:33:19.200 --> 02:33:20.936 everybody satisfied that the community 02:33:20.960 --> 02:33:22.776 has been involved in the early stages of 02:33:22.800 --> 02:33:25.656 the development of this plan? , like I 02:33:25.680 --> 02:33:27.096 bang on about pretty well every 02:33:27.120 --> 02:33:30.120 fortnight. Um, it is policy of this 02:33:30.399 --> 02:33:33.096 council that communities involved at the 02:33:33.120 --> 02:33:35.335 earliest possible stage. Is everybody 02:33:35.359 --> 02:33:37.976 satisfied that that has occurred? 02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:40.455 That's staff and counselors really. 02:33:40.479 --> 02:33:41.816 Mela, 02:33:41.840 --> 02:33:43.415 so through you, Mr. May the way in which 02:33:43.439 --> 02:33:45.256 we've done this is by working with the 02:33:45.280 --> 02:33:48.280 sack over 6 months um and then the next 02:33:48.960 --> 02:33:51.960 stage is more that we will be going out 02:33:52.319 --> 02:33:55.016 for engagement. At this stage I'm not 02:33:55.040 --> 02:33:57.016 sure that the community are aware that 02:33:57.040 --> 02:33:59.976 the council adopted a community climate 02:34:00.000 --> 02:34:02.696 change action plan and as a resident you 02:34:02.720 --> 02:34:04.856 know you'd want to know that. So, I 02:34:04.880 --> 02:34:06.696 think we'll start by pulling this 02:34:06.720 --> 02:34:09.496 together and then hopefully be able to 02:34:09.520 --> 02:34:12.295 um through the your voice engagement 02:34:12.319 --> 02:34:14.455 make sure that we're um capturing all of 02:34:14.479 --> 02:34:16.375 that. But I'm content that the sack have 02:34:16.399 --> 02:34:18.375 done the work that the council appoint 02:34:18.399 --> 02:34:19.976 them to do. 02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:22.696 Okay. Is there any further discussion? 02:34:22.720 --> 02:34:23.976 I'm going to put the motion. All those 02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:27.000 in favor that's unanimous. 02:34:27.359 --> 02:34:30.136 910 was withdrawn and will be presented 02:34:30.160 --> 02:34:32.776 to the next council meeting in August. 02:34:32.800 --> 02:34:35.576 So 911 is the post exhibition report 02:34:35.600 --> 02:34:37.576 street verge maintenance policy. We have 02:34:37.600 --> 02:34:39.256 a mover for this one. Councilors, 02:34:39.280 --> 02:34:40.616 councelor Willis, second to councelor 02:34:40.640 --> 02:34:43.640 Broadman. Is there discussion? 02:34:43.680 --> 02:34:44.936 If not, I'm going to put the motion. All 02:34:44.960 --> 02:34:47.176 those in favor, that's unanimous. And 02:34:47.200 --> 02:34:49.576 912 is the draft tree management policy 02:34:49.600 --> 02:34:52.295 and that's moved by councelor Wilson and 02:34:52.319 --> 02:34:53.976 second councelor Taskcowski. There 02:34:54.000 --> 02:34:55.976 discussion on this one. If not, I'll put 02:34:56.000 --> 02:34:57.736 the motion all in favor. That's 02:34:57.760 --> 02:35:00.136 unanimous and not unanimous. Everyone 02:35:00.160 --> 02:35:02.616 except for councelor Grundy. And against 02:35:02.640 --> 02:35:05.335 councelor Grundy, I declare it carried. 02:35:05.359 --> 02:35:07.576 Items. So items for information. So 02:35:07.600 --> 02:35:10.455 counselors will do a procedural motion 02:35:10.479 --> 02:35:12.056 that we deal with all the items for 02:35:12.080 --> 02:35:14.056 information together and then we can ask 02:35:14.080 --> 02:35:15.896 questions on individual items. So I'm 02:35:15.920 --> 02:35:17.335 going to move that procedural motion and 02:35:17.359 --> 02:35:18.936 that second to councelor Preston. We'll 02:35:18.960 --> 02:35:20.856 put that motion all in favor. That's 02:35:20.880 --> 02:35:23.656 unanimous. Okay. Now we ask is there 02:35:23.680 --> 02:35:25.736 questions on any of these items? 02:35:25.760 --> 02:35:27.896 Councelor McDonald. 02:35:27.920 --> 02:35:29.656 Look, it's not so much a question as 02:35:29.680 --> 02:35:32.536 much as I'm able to talk to one of the 02:35:32.560 --> 02:35:34.536 motions which is the update on the new 02:35:34.560 --> 02:35:37.560 cemetery. And I know the process 02:35:38.800 --> 02:35:41.800 by which we have arrived at this has 02:35:42.560 --> 02:35:45.560 garnered a fair bit of justifiable 02:35:45.600 --> 02:35:48.600 public interest. Um particularly the 02:35:48.640 --> 02:35:51.640 preceding um um plans which have had 02:35:52.880 --> 02:35:54.856 to be aborted. 02:35:54.880 --> 02:35:57.880 and um we are 02:35:58.880 --> 02:36:01.880 not yet at a point where we have a 02:36:02.640 --> 02:36:05.640 solid option presented. The the 02:36:06.479 --> 02:36:09.479 options um or the the the report 02:36:10.800 --> 02:36:13.800 gives us effectively three options. 02:36:14.880 --> 02:36:17.880 it strikes out one on on um the basis 02:36:19.760 --> 02:36:22.760 of some cost and feasibility. The second 02:36:22.800 --> 02:36:25.736 is also struck out and then it leaves us 02:36:25.760 --> 02:36:27.736 with a third option I think in the 02:36:27.760 --> 02:36:30.760 order of about 25 or so hectares in 02:36:31.040 --> 02:36:34.040 in Queen in west in the west of um of 02:36:34.560 --> 02:36:37.560 Queen. Um look it is an obvious um 02:36:40.479 --> 02:36:43.479 matter which we need to reconcile. Um 02:36:44.479 --> 02:36:47.479 the proposal is to um is to receive a 02:36:49.760 --> 02:36:52.760 report into the feasibility of of 02:36:53.760 --> 02:36:56.760 using that councilm crown land 02:36:56.960 --> 02:36:59.960 that I that I mentioned the the 25 02:37:00.479 --> 02:37:02.536 hectares or so of it for this 02:37:02.560 --> 02:37:05.560 purpose. there are of course other 02:37:06.080 --> 02:37:09.080 competing matters of of land use as 02:37:10.640 --> 02:37:13.415 well that we have to consider. And I 02:37:13.439 --> 02:37:16.439 think as as we consider the um um the 02:37:18.880 --> 02:37:21.880 opportunities for a cemetery, we ought 02:37:22.080 --> 02:37:25.080 to be considering how forward leaning we 02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:28.520 are with other um um burial types or or 02:37:30.319 --> 02:37:33.319 um or or disposal. sorry to be 02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:36.680 insensitive um but um but the way one 02:37:37.439 --> 02:37:40.439 may choose to um be either buried 02:37:40.720 --> 02:37:42.936 cremated or have their bo body otherwise 02:37:42.960 --> 02:37:45.736 disposed I think this is something 02:37:45.760 --> 02:37:47.976 which it presents us a good opportunity 02:37:48.000 --> 02:37:51.000 to think broadly laterally and and 02:37:52.640 --> 02:37:54.936 with other matters which are developing 02:37:54.960 --> 02:37:57.896 currently at the state level for how 02:37:57.920 --> 02:38:00.920 we how we best approach this issue. 02:38:01.840 --> 02:38:03.816 Thank you, Councelor McDonald. Councelor 02:38:03.840 --> 02:38:05.256 Broadin. 02:38:05.280 --> 02:38:07.576 through you, Mr. Mayor. Um I just 02:38:07.600 --> 02:38:10.600 wanted to call on discuss 10.4, which 02:38:11.359 --> 02:38:13.256 is the food safety annual activity 02:38:13.280 --> 02:38:15.576 report to the New South Wales Food 02:38:15.600 --> 02:38:18.600 Authority 2026. Um, if possible, u, M. 02:38:20.000 --> 02:38:22.136 Miller, I just have one simple request, 02:38:22.160 --> 02:38:25.160 I hope, which is could we next time get 02:38:26.160 --> 02:38:29.160 a little bit of a trend line or a change 02:38:29.840 --> 02:38:32.295 in in those tables just simply to make 02:38:32.319 --> 02:38:34.616 it a little bit more so we can get a bit 02:38:34.640 --> 02:38:37.640 of a feel for for what's going on. Um, I 02:38:37.680 --> 02:38:38.696 just really appreciate that. I think 02:38:38.720 --> 02:38:40.216 that'll just help. Obviously, it's a 02:38:40.240 --> 02:38:42.455 pretty it's not the most romantic side 02:38:42.479 --> 02:38:45.479 of council council work, but um given we 02:38:46.160 --> 02:38:49.160 all eat in Queen and obviously the 02:38:49.280 --> 02:38:51.335 surrounds, it's pretty important. So, um 02:38:51.359 --> 02:38:53.256 it's a good one to get a hold of and 02:38:53.280 --> 02:38:54.536 keep track on. Thank you. 02:38:54.560 --> 02:38:56.216 Thank you, Council Willis. 02:38:56.240 --> 02:38:58.936 Yes, I have a question about 10.2. My 02:38:58.960 --> 02:39:01.176 recollection is the resolution we passed 02:39:01.200 --> 02:39:04.200 about finding a site for a new cemetery 02:39:04.960 --> 02:39:07.496 um included trying to find a site that 02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:09.176 would cater for both Queen Beian and 02:39:09.200 --> 02:39:11.656 Bangador. Now there's one site that's 02:39:11.680 --> 02:39:14.616 been um included in this report and I'm 02:39:14.640 --> 02:39:16.216 wondering 02:39:16.240 --> 02:39:18.136 have the staff kind of given up on 02:39:18.160 --> 02:39:20.295 looking for anything else that might 02:39:20.319 --> 02:39:22.295 suit both comm community serve both 02:39:22.319 --> 02:39:23.816 communities? 02:39:23.840 --> 02:39:24.936 Who's going to take questions on this 02:39:24.960 --> 02:39:27.256 one? Miss Richards. 02:39:27.280 --> 02:39:28.856 through you may. No, we haven't given 02:39:28.880 --> 02:39:31.880 up on looking. Um but after a fairly 02:39:32.479 --> 02:39:35.479 detailed first look, um these are the 02:39:36.240 --> 02:39:38.056 sites that presented themselves most 02:39:38.080 --> 02:39:41.080 easily. They were um council owned or or 02:39:41.920 --> 02:39:44.375 land that was up for sale. We haven't 02:39:44.399 --> 02:39:46.856 looked into other options of acquiring 02:39:46.880 --> 02:39:49.880 land at this point. 02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:52.856 Thank you. Um, 02:39:52.880 --> 02:39:55.880 is it not possible to call for an 02:39:57.520 --> 02:39:59.016 expressions of interest from land 02:39:59.040 --> 02:40:01.976 holders to see if someone might be 02:40:02.000 --> 02:40:03.736 interested? Someone might have some land 02:40:03.760 --> 02:40:06.760 and be interested. 02:40:08.080 --> 02:40:10.375 Miss Richards. 02:40:10.399 --> 02:40:12.136 Through you, Miss Mayor. I'm sorry. I I 02:40:12.160 --> 02:40:15.160 don't know. 02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:18.536 Yeah, Miss Omela. 02:40:18.560 --> 02:40:20.136 Sorry. Through you, Mr. Mayor. it is 02:40:20.160 --> 02:40:21.896 possible for the council to do a call 02:40:21.920 --> 02:40:24.455 for sites. It's always open to you if 02:40:24.479 --> 02:40:25.896 that's something that you want to do as 02:40:25.920 --> 02:40:28.375 part of your strategic planning. Um but 02:40:28.399 --> 02:40:30.455 in relation to this um project, I'm not 02:40:30.479 --> 02:40:32.375 sure that that's actually been the 02:40:32.399 --> 02:40:34.216 instruction that we've been, you know, 02:40:34.240 --> 02:40:36.295 um working to. 02:40:36.319 --> 02:40:38.616 no, that's right. But um we haven't 02:40:38.640 --> 02:40:41.640 found a site yet that would serve both 02:40:43.280 --> 02:40:45.415 communities. So I guess to that extent, 02:40:45.439 --> 02:40:48.375 we haven't achieved that objective. Um I 02:40:48.399 --> 02:40:50.856 did have another question and that is um 02:40:50.880 --> 02:40:53.880 isn't part of Hoover Road a some sort 02:40:54.960 --> 02:40:57.960 of biodiversity offset. 02:40:58.399 --> 02:40:59.335 M Richards 02:40:59.359 --> 02:41:01.335 through me Mr. Mayor. Yes, we believe 02:41:01.359 --> 02:41:03.576 there is some offset there. The way 02:41:03.600 --> 02:41:06.375 cemeteries are designed these days we 02:41:06.399 --> 02:41:09.399 believe we can accommodate that offset. 02:41:09.760 --> 02:41:11.176 Thank you. 02:41:11.200 --> 02:41:12.856 I just want to talk to 10.2 quickly then 02:41:12.880 --> 02:41:15.816 I'll go to council waterhouse. So, this 02:41:15.840 --> 02:41:17.816 site actually looks really good. Um, for 02:41:17.840 --> 02:41:19.176 the uninitiated, if you haven't been 02:41:19.200 --> 02:41:20.536 down there, this is where the dog club 02:41:20.560 --> 02:41:23.560 and the archery is, but the site we're 02:41:23.600 --> 02:41:25.816 looking at, I've been guaranteed isn't 02:41:25.840 --> 02:41:27.576 exactly where they are. It's next door 02:41:27.600 --> 02:41:29.256 or right near where they are. And I'm 02:41:29.280 --> 02:41:31.816 hope I'm pretty sure we've told them, 02:41:31.840 --> 02:41:33.736 , but when they find out about this, 02:41:33.760 --> 02:41:35.656 we're not aiming to take their their 02:41:35.680 --> 02:41:37.736 land off them. Um, just as someone who's 02:41:37.760 --> 02:41:40.760 been on council a long time, I wish this 02:41:40.880 --> 02:41:42.375 was identified years and years and years 02:41:42.399 --> 02:41:44.776 ago. Um it's right near the current 02:41:44.800 --> 02:41:46.776 cemetery. Um it would have saved a lot 02:41:46.800 --> 02:41:49.016 of pain and heartache if this had been 02:41:49.040 --> 02:41:51.976 identified way back when. Um a lot of 02:41:52.000 --> 02:41:55.000 time and effort and money. Um 02:41:55.439 --> 02:41:57.896 yeah, but we are where we are. Councelor 02:41:57.920 --> 02:41:59.016 Waterhouse. 02:41:59.040 --> 02:42:00.776 Yes. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I think it was 02:42:00.800 --> 02:42:03.800 myself that brought um um site one to 02:42:04.000 --> 02:42:06.536 your attention a while back um because I 02:42:06.560 --> 02:42:07.976 saw the four sale signs and I thought 02:42:08.000 --> 02:42:09.816 that'd be a great spot for a cemetery. 02:42:09.840 --> 02:42:12.840 And I note that it it says um it's 02:42:13.600 --> 02:42:15.576 unlikely to be supported by Transport 02:42:15.600 --> 02:42:17.415 for New South Wales. Does that mean we 02:42:17.439 --> 02:42:18.696 actually approach transport for New 02:42:18.720 --> 02:42:20.856 South Wales and ask them it is only a 02:42:20.880 --> 02:42:22.776 few hundred meters before the reduction 02:42:22.800 --> 02:42:25.656 of the 100 speed sign down to 80 as we 02:42:25.680 --> 02:42:28.616 approach the top side of of Queen 02:42:28.640 --> 02:42:31.640 over in the eastern area and it is 02:42:32.479 --> 02:42:35.479 relatively close to Bangor um with 20ks 02:42:35.840 --> 02:42:37.896 I think probably a bit less maybe 19 or 02:42:37.920 --> 02:42:40.920 18. So it is within Kooi of Bangor and 02:42:41.040 --> 02:42:43.016 it's a good size and it's it's 02:42:43.040 --> 02:42:45.656 unlikely to be a wet area. I just I 02:42:45.680 --> 02:42:48.680 would hate for that to be set aside. Um 02:42:50.160 --> 02:42:52.056 if we didn't actually speak to transport 02:42:52.080 --> 02:42:54.536 for New South Wales if we've we've got 02:42:54.560 --> 02:42:56.696 it's unlikely to be supported but did we 02:42:56.720 --> 02:42:57.816 actually ask them? 02:42:57.840 --> 02:42:59.976 All right. So we have further comment on 02:43:00.000 --> 02:43:01.335 transport for New South Wales. M 02:43:01.359 --> 02:43:02.056 Richards 02:43:02.080 --> 02:43:03.576 through you Mr. Mayor. Yes we did put 02:43:03.600 --> 02:43:05.335 the site before transport for New South 02:43:05.359 --> 02:43:07.096 Wales. They've said unlikely because 02:43:07.120 --> 02:43:09.016 they won't commit unless they do the 02:43:09.040 --> 02:43:11.335 full study. However, I'm assured that 02:43:11.359 --> 02:43:13.736 the treatment required to get entry and 02:43:13.760 --> 02:43:16.760 exit to that site would mean substantial 02:43:16.800 --> 02:43:18.375 road works, including something like the 02:43:18.399 --> 02:43:20.056 huge roundabout that you see that goes 02:43:20.080 --> 02:43:23.080 off to Captain's Flat. 02:43:23.920 --> 02:43:25.896 Yeah. And just really quickly again on 02:43:25.920 --> 02:43:28.056 10.2 that if we do proceed down this 02:43:28.080 --> 02:43:30.295 path, it does doesn't solve the Bangador 02:43:30.319 --> 02:43:32.295 problem and we obviously need to keep 02:43:32.319 --> 02:43:35.319 that. Um, is there anything more on the 02:43:35.600 --> 02:43:38.600 items information? 02:43:39.520 --> 02:43:41.176 Yeah. So, I'm happy to move and a second 02:43:41.200 --> 02:43:42.856 by councelor Broadbent and we'll put the 02:43:42.880 --> 02:43:44.776 motion. All those in favor that's 02:43:44.800 --> 02:43:46.776 unanimous. The next is reports of 02:43:46.800 --> 02:43:49.096 committees. So, 11.1 is a heritage 02:43:49.120 --> 02:43:51.016 advisory committee minute 16th of July 02:43:51.040 --> 02:43:52.696 and that's councelor Willis. Second to 02:43:52.720 --> 02:43:55.656 councelor Wilson. Councelor Willis. No. 02:43:55.680 --> 02:43:56.616 Is there discussion? Councelor 02:43:56.640 --> 02:43:57.976 Broadbent. 02:43:58.000 --> 02:43:59.816 Um, 02:43:59.840 --> 02:44:01.896 I I guess I just ask for clarity. 02:44:01.920 --> 02:44:03.415 There's some there's a note in here in 02:44:03.439 --> 02:44:04.776 members are looking forward to being 02:44:04.800 --> 02:44:06.856 involved in early stages within the with 02:44:06.880 --> 02:44:07.896 the development of the conservation 02:44:07.920 --> 02:44:10.136 management plan. Sounds completely fine 02:44:10.160 --> 02:44:12.696 to me. Could someone either staff or 02:44:12.720 --> 02:44:14.295 perhaps council will just remind me what 02:44:14.319 --> 02:44:16.616 the arrangement there was in relation to 02:44:16.640 --> 02:44:18.536 the CMP? 02:44:18.560 --> 02:44:21.560 So, you'll recall that we received a 02:44:22.880 --> 02:44:24.696 condition report for one of another 02:44:24.720 --> 02:44:26.455 description 02:44:26.479 --> 02:44:28.936 which count which the council decided 02:44:28.960 --> 02:44:31.335 it wanted to put out for public comment 02:44:31.359 --> 02:44:33.176 and I I haven't checked your voice 02:44:33.200 --> 02:44:34.776 lately. I've been busy with the business 02:44:34.800 --> 02:44:37.800 papers. It's on there. so, um we I'm 02:44:38.960 --> 02:44:40.696 assuming we'll get a report on what 02:44:40.720 --> 02:44:43.720 people if we got any feedback. and 02:44:44.319 --> 02:44:46.216 the next piece of work, my understanding 02:44:46.240 --> 02:44:49.240 is is to develop um a what would you 02:44:51.120 --> 02:44:53.656 call a scope for the conservation 02:44:53.680 --> 02:44:56.680 management plan that will be um um 02:44:56.880 --> 02:44:59.096 what's it word? Contracted out to an 02:44:59.120 --> 02:45:02.120 expert and um the committee this the 02:45:02.800 --> 02:45:04.136 reason this was brought to the committee 02:45:04.160 --> 02:45:05.976 at this stage was to let it know what 02:45:06.000 --> 02:45:08.616 was happening and um so that the 02:45:08.640 --> 02:45:09.896 committee was aware and could be 02:45:09.920 --> 02:45:11.415 involved. We're also thinking about 02:45:11.439 --> 02:45:13.496 having a site visit up there to have a 02:45:13.520 --> 02:45:16.056 bit of a look around. Yeah. 02:45:16.080 --> 02:45:18.216 Yeah. Okay, cool. Um, that makes sense 02:45:18.240 --> 02:45:20.216 to me. I think might as well have the 02:45:20.240 --> 02:45:22.136 committee involved. Just was a simple 02:45:22.160 --> 02:45:24.536 question. So, it sounds good. Thanks. 02:45:24.560 --> 02:45:25.736 Is there further discussion on this 02:45:25.760 --> 02:45:27.335 item? If not, we'll put the motion all 02:45:27.359 --> 02:45:30.056 in favor. That's unanimous and carried. 02:45:30.080 --> 02:45:32.616 11.2 is a QPRC sports council meeting 02:45:32.640 --> 02:45:33.976 minutes. And I'm happy to move from the 02:45:34.000 --> 02:45:36.375 chair, seconded councelor Tascoski. Just 02:45:36.399 --> 02:45:37.496 very quickly, if you haven't had a 02:45:37.520 --> 02:45:38.536 chance to have a look at the minutes, 02:45:38.560 --> 02:45:41.255 there's a lot happening in upgrades 02:45:41.279 --> 02:45:43.255 in the sporting area, we've got 02:45:43.279 --> 02:45:44.776 the whites fence going in shortly. 02:45:44.800 --> 02:45:46.216 They're working on the clubhouse at 02:45:46.240 --> 02:45:48.776 Gong. The high street upgrades about to 02:45:48.800 --> 02:45:50.295 kick off. The free body ones are nearly 02:45:50.319 --> 02:45:51.896 finished. The lighting upgrades that 02:45:51.920 --> 02:45:53.816 we've all approved are kicking on and 02:45:53.840 --> 02:45:56.536 going exceptionally well. But the one of 02:45:56.560 --> 02:45:57.736 the main things the staff ran through 02:45:57.760 --> 02:46:00.056 there is the use of AI and this project 02:46:00.080 --> 02:46:01.415 that they're going through looks at the 02:46:01.439 --> 02:46:03.976 actual usage of of fields and who's I 02:46:04.000 --> 02:46:06.776 guess who's using or the people who book 02:46:06.800 --> 02:46:08.455 the fields, how they're using them, and 02:46:08.479 --> 02:46:10.056 if they could be improving. So, we avoid 02:46:10.080 --> 02:46:11.976 wear in certain areas, but also who's 02:46:12.000 --> 02:46:13.736 not using them when they're not booked. 02:46:13.760 --> 02:46:15.255 Because if you drive past a lot of our 02:46:15.279 --> 02:46:16.375 sports fields, you'll see that there's 02:46:16.399 --> 02:46:18.375 people on them at all hours and times a 02:46:18.399 --> 02:46:19.576 day. I think it's a really good thing 02:46:19.600 --> 02:46:21.176 once we're able to do a workshop or 02:46:21.200 --> 02:46:23.896 something for the um the the team to 02:46:23.920 --> 02:46:26.375 show all of the counselors um what 02:46:26.399 --> 02:46:27.415 they're doing in this space. I think 02:46:27.439 --> 02:46:29.656 it's really impressive. Further 02:46:29.680 --> 02:46:31.415 discussion on the sports council meeting 02:46:31.439 --> 02:46:33.176 minutes? If not, we'll put the motion. 02:46:33.200 --> 02:46:36.200 All in favor? It's unanimous. 11.3 is 02:46:36.319 --> 02:46:37.656 the sustainability and climate change 02:46:37.680 --> 02:46:39.255 committee meeting minutes 23rd of July 02:46:39.279 --> 02:46:40.696 and that's moved by councelor Willis, 02:46:40.720 --> 02:46:43.016 seconded councelor waterhouse. Councelor 02:46:43.040 --> 02:46:44.216 Willis. 02:46:44.240 --> 02:46:47.096 the the main piece of work as Missa 02:46:47.120 --> 02:46:49.096 had mentioned was has been the review of 02:46:49.120 --> 02:46:51.415 the climate action plans. 02:46:51.439 --> 02:46:53.415 Is there further discussion? If not, 02:46:53.439 --> 02:46:55.096 we'll put the motion. All in favor? 02:46:55.120 --> 02:46:56.616 That's unanimous. We've dealt with the 02:46:56.640 --> 02:46:58.856 notice of motion. councelor 02:46:58.880 --> 02:47:00.616 questions. We're going to move these in 02:47:00.640 --> 02:47:02.455 one go as well. So I'm procedural motion 02:47:02.479 --> 02:47:03.896 to deal with them all in one go. Moved 02:47:03.920 --> 02:47:05.976 by myself, seconded councelor McDonald, 02:47:06.000 --> 02:47:07.576 and put that motion and that is 02:47:07.600 --> 02:47:09.736 unanimous. Is there discussion on any of 02:47:09.760 --> 02:47:11.976 the council questions? Councelor Willis. 02:47:12.000 --> 02:47:15.000 Yes. Thank you. On question 14.2. 02:47:15.680 --> 02:47:17.896 now, obviously I'm constrained 02:47:17.920 --> 02:47:19.976 somewhat about what I can say because 02:47:20.000 --> 02:47:22.216 the government's decided this 02:47:22.240 --> 02:47:25.240 18-month-old item should remain 02:47:25.439 --> 02:47:26.936 embargoed. 02:47:26.960 --> 02:47:29.960 But I was alarmed to read that the 02:47:30.880 --> 02:47:33.880 subject site of theou is included in a 02:47:34.240 --> 02:47:36.375 New South Wales government list of 02:47:36.399 --> 02:47:39.399 properties audited for sale according to 02:47:39.840 --> 02:47:41.896 a report published in the Sydney Morning 02:47:41.920 --> 02:47:44.536 Herald on the 3rd of August this year. 02:47:44.560 --> 02:47:46.616 So I think we need to write to the New 02:47:46.640 --> 02:47:48.536 South Wales government to seek 02:47:48.560 --> 02:47:51.560 clarification about that. And I'm asking 02:47:52.000 --> 02:47:55.000 can that be done off this discussion 02:47:55.840 --> 02:47:58.840 or do I need to put in a a notice of 02:47:59.040 --> 02:48:02.040 motion for the next meeting? 02:48:02.479 --> 02:48:04.216 We get the GM to comment. 02:48:04.240 --> 02:48:05.816 through Mr. Mayor, why don't you and 02:48:05.840 --> 02:48:07.415 I raise it with the local member when we 02:48:07.439 --> 02:48:10.136 see him next because it is Tland. 02:48:10.160 --> 02:48:12.455 Thank you. I will send u send you both 02:48:12.479 --> 02:48:14.136 the link to the Sydney Morning Herald 02:48:14.160 --> 02:48:15.016 article. 02:48:15.040 --> 02:48:16.295 Thanks Council Willis. I don't want to 02:48:16.319 --> 02:48:17.656 prejudge what the answer is, but I know 02:48:17.680 --> 02:48:19.255 they needed special permission to be 02:48:19.279 --> 02:48:22.136 able to sell that land from TA TA New 02:48:22.160 --> 02:48:23.896 South Wales to Homes New South Wales. 02:48:23.920 --> 02:48:26.295 And I'm hoping that's all this is is 02:48:26.319 --> 02:48:28.375 part of that process. , is there 02:48:28.399 --> 02:48:29.415 further discussion on any of the 02:48:29.439 --> 02:48:31.896 councelor questions? , all right. 02:48:31.920 --> 02:48:33.415 Well, I'm happy to move their acceptance 02:48:33.439 --> 02:48:34.776 then and that's second by councelor 02:48:34.800 --> 02:48:37.800 Preston and we'll put that motion all in 02:48:38.000 --> 02:48:39.976 favor. That's unanimous. So, now we've 02:48:40.000 --> 02:48:41.656 got a notice of intention. No, there's a 02:48:41.680 --> 02:48:44.455 supplementary report 14.5. 02:48:44.479 --> 02:48:46.216 Council questions on agenda item for 12 02:48:46.240 --> 02:48:48.056 August 2026 meeting. So I'm happy to 02:48:48.080 --> 02:48:49.176 move that and the second to council 02:48:49.200 --> 02:48:52.136 McDonald. The discussion on 14.5. We'll 02:48:52.160 --> 02:48:53.576 put the motion all in favor. That's 02:48:53.600 --> 02:48:55.415 unanimous. And now we're going to go 02:48:55.439 --> 02:48:57.016 into close session. So I'll move that we 02:48:57.040 --> 02:48:58.375 move into close session for the reasons 02:48:58.399 --> 02:49:00.056 outlined in the business paper. M second 02:49:00.080 --> 02:49:01.736 council McDonald. We'll put that motion 02:49:01.760 --> 02:49:04.760 all in favor. That's unanimous. 02:49:05.840 --> 02:49:07.896 And we're now back live and I'll go 02:49:07.920 --> 02:49:09.576 through the what council resolved in 02:49:09.600 --> 02:49:11.176 close session. So 16.1 which was 02:49:11.200 --> 02:49:13.016 expression of interest sewage treatment 02:49:13.040 --> 02:49:15.176 plant upgrade will resolve that council 02:49:15.200 --> 02:49:16.936 invite the following prospective tenders 02:49:16.960 --> 02:49:18.616 for the early tender involvement phase 02:49:18.640 --> 02:49:20.136 for the queen sewage treatment plant 02:49:20.160 --> 02:49:23.160 upgrade project. Abigel contractors Icon 02:49:23.600 --> 02:49:26.600 CCB Haslam Giorgio Joint Venture and 02:49:27.200 --> 02:49:29.415 Seymour White Constructions. We've 02:49:29.439 --> 02:49:31.016 reached end of the business paper. The 02:49:31.040 --> 02:49:34.040 time is 8:54. I declared the meeting 02:49:34.319 --> 02:49:36.375 closed. Thank you councilors. Thank you 02:49:36.399 --> 02:49:37.976 staff and thank you councelor McDonald 02:49:38.000 --> 02:49:39.736 for sitting in this chair for the first 02:49:39.760 --> 02:49:42.760 time.