WEBVTT 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:03.176 Okay, welcome to tonight's extraordinary 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:06.200 meeting of council 29th of April 2026. 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.016 The first agenda item is going to be a 00:00:09.040 --> 00:00:11.416 procedural motion from myself that under 00:00:11.440 --> 00:00:13.256 clause 518 of the code of meeting 00:00:13.280 --> 00:00:14.936 practice, councelor Bill Waterhouse be 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:16.936 permitted to attend this meeting by 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:18.776 audiovisisual link. I'll ask for a 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:19.976 second for a procedural motion. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:21.576 Councelor MacDonald. 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.175 thank you Mayor and may I just on 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:25.736 indulgence speak on this matter? 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:27.175 thank you. Look councelor 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:29.335 Waterhouse obviously is appearing 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:31.736 before AVLink and he's doing so for the 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.055 purpose of being a carer I think 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:35.816 it's probably the first time 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:37.656 which has really shown up the flaws in 00:00:37.680 --> 00:00:40.456 the code of meeting practice in that 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:43.176 councelor Waterhouse has been through 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.200 the rules asked that he retains his eyes 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.256 on the computer at all times in you know 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.280 to use you you know to paraphrase yet 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.855 he's there taking this approved leave or 00:00:56.879 --> 00:00:59.879 sorry not leave opportunity to be a 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.375 carer. So there's a catch 22 with this 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:05.175 entire process. and I think this is 00:01:05.199 --> 00:01:07.336 the first time we've really seen and 00:01:07.360 --> 00:01:09.095 this is something councelor Waterhouse 00:01:09.119 --> 00:01:11.576 and I have discussed recently. I'll 00:01:11.600 --> 00:01:14.600 be writing to Minister Honig to ask 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.496 to relax this particularly in the 00:01:17.520 --> 00:01:20.520 the light of the request to reduce 00:01:20.960 --> 00:01:22.455 fuel usage. 00:01:22.479 --> 00:01:23.735 Okay. Thank you council. We're going to 00:01:23.759 --> 00:01:25.336 put the procedural motion. All those in 00:01:25.360 --> 00:01:27.496 favor that's unanimous and carried. I 00:01:27.520 --> 00:01:29.016 want to say that council Waterhouse has 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.095 now joined the meeting. So we'll 00:01:31.119 --> 00:01:33.735 acknowledge country and so I will 00:01:33.759 --> 00:01:34.856 acknowledge the traditional 00:01:34.880 --> 00:01:36.216 custodians of the land on which we meet 00:01:36.240 --> 00:01:37.816 and pay respects to Elders past, present 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:39.415 and emerging and extend that respect to 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:41.016 a Aboriginal Torres Strait Island people here 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.696 today. We acknowledge the stories, 00:01:42.720 --> 00:01:44.376 traditions and living cultures of ainal 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.455 torra on people on this land and commit 00:01:46.479 --> 00:01:48.455 to building a brighter future together. 00:01:48.479 --> 00:01:51.016 We have no apologies councilors. So we 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:52.775 move to disclosure of interests. I'll 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:53.976 move that councilors and staff now 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.216 disclose any interests and reasons for 00:01:56.240 --> 00:01:57.576 declaring such interest in the matters 00:01:57.600 --> 00:01:59.095 under consideration by council at this 00:01:59.119 --> 00:02:00.695 meeting and that's second by council 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.616 broadband and we'll put the motion all 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.856 those in favor unanimous and carried and 00:02:04.880 --> 00:02:07.656 are there any disclosures councilors 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.416 if not we can move to the first item for 00:02:09.440 --> 00:02:12.136 determination which is item 4.1 which is 00:02:12.160 --> 00:02:15.160 the 20 26 27 operational plan priorities 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.896 and budget development so to get things 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:19.496 started councilors I'm going to move 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:21.096 from the chair and I'll ask for a second 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.256 to councelor MacDonald Thank you. And we 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.280 will go to staff for a presentation. 00:02:32.239 --> 00:02:34.855 Thank you, council. I'm just waiting for 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:37.879 my presentation to pop up. 00:02:38.720 --> 00:02:40.056 While we're waiting for this, I would 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.080 just like to briefly introduce my um 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.136 finance team who are with me tonight. I 00:02:46.160 --> 00:02:48.376 have Nicola Gleason who is who looks 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.096 after all of our IPNR documents and 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.120 Ashish Agrial who is our senior finance 00:02:54.480 --> 00:02:57.336 business partner and he supports the 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:59.575 critical work that our transport team 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.536 does. 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.560 Excellent. So we will get started with a 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.680 quick overview and presentation of the 00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:12.040 draft 2627 budget. 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.000 So we're all here tonight because of the 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:19.495 revision of the code of meeting practice 00:03:19.519 --> 00:03:21.575 and this has prompted a review on the 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.599 process we take to develop the budget. 00:03:25.040 --> 00:03:27.016 So councilors have had a workshop to 00:03:27.040 --> 00:03:29.495 discuss the financial strategy which 00:03:29.519 --> 00:03:31.896 sets out the parameters for how we pull 00:03:31.920 --> 00:03:34.920 together this draft budget. 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.680 We've had recent community meetings 00:03:38.959 --> 00:03:40.696 where 00:03:40.720 --> 00:03:43.720 staff attended to talk to the community 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.080 and encourage them to submit requests 00:03:47.920 --> 00:03:50.920 for budget considerations. 00:03:54.239 --> 00:03:55.976 Just 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.935 muting over. 00:03:58.959 --> 00:04:01.256 So the plans and strategies that council 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.495 have developed over the years such as 00:04:03.519 --> 00:04:06.295 the waste strategy, the aquatic strategy 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.319 has also set the priorities for council 00:04:09.760 --> 00:04:12.295 to consider as part of their budget. 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.215 These have been built into the draft 00:04:14.239 --> 00:04:16.615 budget already and have formed part of 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:19.096 the draft budget that council will be 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:21.175 considering. 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:22.615 So the format for tonight's 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:24.455 extraordinary council meeting is for 00:04:24.479 --> 00:04:27.016 council to consider the inclusion into 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.040 the budget for requests for funding, the 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.056 proposed fees and charges 00:04:34.080 --> 00:04:36.216 and recommendations from the community 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.296 reference panel on a preferred rating 00:04:38.320 --> 00:04:40.696 structure. 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.536 So, the documents that are attached to 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.560 the council report tonight include a 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.136 current draft overview of council's 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.160 operating result and the cash position 00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:54.440 by fund. 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.895 There is an attachment that is includes 00:04:57.919 --> 00:05:00.919 the requests received to date for budget 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.496 considerations. We understand that 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:06.216 budget considerations will be ongoing 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.936 and will continue to come in. But as at 00:05:08.960 --> 00:05:10.776 the time of writing this report, that's 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.735 what we had received. 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.056 We have an attachment that shows the 00:05:16.080 --> 00:05:19.080 cash impact of those budget requests. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.696 Attachments 4 through to 9 are written 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.175 submissions we've received for budget 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.735 considerations. 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:29.656 We have an attachment that includes 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.056 questions and answers that we've 00:05:32.080 --> 00:05:34.776 received from councilors to date on the 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:36.376 budget. 00:05:36.400 --> 00:05:38.696 And we have a draft loan summary 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.720 document. 00:05:41.840 --> 00:05:43.656 So the resolutions from tonight's 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.136 meeting will be incorporated into the 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.160 draft 2627 budget documents. These will 00:05:50.320 --> 00:05:53.175 be presented to council at the council 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.816 meeting on the 13th of May where we will 00:05:55.840 --> 00:05:58.216 recommend that these documents be placed 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.856 on public exhibition. 00:06:00.880 --> 00:06:03.816 During this time, further feedback and 00:06:03.840 --> 00:06:06.216 submissions will be sought from the 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.776 community and we encourage them to do 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:10.615 so. 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:12.615 Council 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.639 can amend, include or exclude any items 00:06:16.880 --> 00:06:18.856 for the budget through a council 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:21.656 resolution. This can be done at any 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.680 council meeting. Changes can still be 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.800 made to the original 2627 budget at the 00:06:29.280 --> 00:06:32.136 council meeting on the 24th of June when 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.056 these documents will be presented to 00:06:34.080 --> 00:06:37.080 council for adoption. 00:06:44.880 --> 00:06:47.656 So where are we currently? So the 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.680 forecast unrestricted cash balance as at 00:06:50.880 --> 00:06:53.496 the end of 2627 00:06:53.520 --> 00:06:56.056 is $13 million. 00:06:56.080 --> 00:06:59.080 And while that seems quite high, this is 00:06:59.599 --> 00:07:01.735 based on the assumption that the 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.295 unrestricted cash position at the end of 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:06.776 June 2026 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.800 will be $9.8 million as per the quarter 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.120 budget review at the end of December. 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.496 Any changes to this will have flowon 00:07:17.520 --> 00:07:20.520 effects to future year's cash positions. 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.536 And it is important to maintain a 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.096 healthy level of unrestricted cash so 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.336 council can weather any unforeseen 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:30.856 circumstances 00:07:30.880 --> 00:07:33.416 or take advantage of opportunities when 00:07:33.440 --> 00:07:36.440 they arise. 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:39.175 So council has a strategy to focus on 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.735 improving the operating position of the 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.056 general fund. 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:46.615 The forecast position is currently a 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.639 deficit of $1.9 million. 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.656 With a fixed income source, council can 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.680 really only control the expenditure 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.735 which will impact levels of service, 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.759 whether that's operational or capital. 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.759 Operational expenditure increases will 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.000 worsen the deficit. 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:17.976 We have an asset renewal ratio forecast 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.895 for 2627 00:08:19.919 --> 00:08:22.919 of approximately 115%. 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.536 Council strategy is to maintain that 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:29.560 within 90 to 110%. 00:08:29.919 --> 00:08:32.616 We we know with infrastructure projects 00:08:32.640 --> 00:08:35.015 that the the timing of some of these 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.976 projects may mean that we may fluctuate 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.776 outside of those parameters from year to 00:08:40.800 --> 00:08:42.856 year while trying to maintain that 00:08:42.880 --> 00:08:45.880 average within that range. 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.375 It's important to ensure that we keep an 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.296 eye on council's financial position 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.320 today and into the future. decisions 00:08:54.160 --> 00:08:57.016 today do have flow on effects and if 00:08:57.040 --> 00:09:00.040 council decides to pay out a loan early 00:09:00.800 --> 00:09:02.935 we need to ensure that there is cash 00:09:02.959 --> 00:09:05.096 available in the future to support this 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.120 decision. 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.576 Well, this slide is quite busy. I won't 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.976 be talking to everything on the slide, 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.616 but we do have a council report 00:09:20.640 --> 00:09:23.096 discussing the draft fees and charges 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.495 for 2627. 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.976 We've started with a base increase to 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.000 our fees and charges of a CPI rate of 00:09:31.040 --> 00:09:33.736 around 3.4%. 00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:35.495 Right now, we haven't increased any 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.375 statutory fees as those fee increases 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.176 are provided to usually at a bit later 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.200 in the process. 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.176 The RBA has banned charging credit and 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.200 debit card sir charges from October 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.375 2026. 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.536 We do have a reference in the fees and 00:09:54.560 --> 00:09:56.776 charges that credit card merchant 00:09:56.800 --> 00:09:59.800 charges will be recovered at full cost 00:09:59.920 --> 00:10:01.495 recovery. 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:03.495 This will remain in the draft fees and 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.519 charges but will cease to happen after 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.736 October. 00:10:09.760 --> 00:10:12.296 We have a list of discontinued fees and 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.856 this is generally every year we do a 00:10:14.880 --> 00:10:17.656 tidy up of the fees and charges. Um 00:10:17.680 --> 00:10:20.680 making sure that we are setting the fees 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:24.200 based on how council actually works. 00:10:26.079 --> 00:10:29.079 We do have some fees higher than the CPI 00:10:29.920 --> 00:10:31.656 rate. 00:10:31.680 --> 00:10:34.680 We have one proposal to not increase 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.375 fees 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.399 and we do have a proposal to decrease 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:44.519 fees for electric vehicle charging so as 00:10:44.800 --> 00:10:47.800 to promote use and there is a list of 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:51.896 there's a list of further new fees which 00:10:51.920 --> 00:10:54.456 is generally part of that tidy up. So 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.255 you will see some fees are discontinued 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.279 in um so that a new fee can be put in 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.600 place. 00:11:06.880 --> 00:11:09.880 So from here we will be taking the 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.456 resolutions from tonight and finalizing 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.480 the draft 2026 27 budget and IPNR 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.736 documents. These documents will be 00:11:19.760 --> 00:11:21.896 provided to council at the council 00:11:21.920 --> 00:11:24.920 meeting on the 13th of May where council 00:11:24.959 --> 00:11:27.959 will be or recommended to place these 00:11:28.640 --> 00:11:31.176 documents out on public exhibition. As I 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.656 mentioned before, further community 00:11:33.680 --> 00:11:36.680 consultation and engagement, we will be 00:11:36.800 --> 00:11:39.800 inviting submissions. 00:11:40.160 --> 00:11:42.216 Once the exhibition period for that has 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:45.096 closed, we will prepare those documents 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.120 and write the reports back to council 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:50.776 at the ordinary council meeting on the 00:11:50.800 --> 00:11:53.576 24th of June where council can choose to 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.600 adopt the budget. 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.576 Thank you. 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.375 Thank you. And we will acknowledge that 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.016 this isn't an easy process for staff 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:06.696 either. these changes that have been 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.935 introduced by the minister getting us to 00:12:08.959 --> 00:12:11.959 do our budget work via live stream and 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:15.176 we thank them in advance for what's 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:16.776 about to occur because I'm sure there's 00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:17.815 going to be a lot of questions and 00:12:17.839 --> 00:12:18.935 answers and backwards and forwards 00:12:18.959 --> 00:12:20.456 between staff and counselors over the 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.336 next probably a couple of hours. So I 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:25.656 think the next step is for us to do the 00:12:25.680 --> 00:12:27.656 procedural motion to go into committee 00:12:27.680 --> 00:12:29.096 so we can go through each before we do 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:32.120 that councilors. 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:35.255 We need to vote on it last. 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:36.856 If we vote on it then we're accepting it 00:12:36.880 --> 00:12:38.935 as is. Yeah. So before we do that 00:12:38.959 --> 00:12:40.216 councilors I'm going to adjourn the 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:41.976 meeting for 10 minutes just so we can 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:43.736 make it very clear to councilors how the 00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:46.456 next session is going to run when we do 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:47.815 go into committee. So adjourn the 00:12:47.839 --> 00:12:50.055 meeting at 6:14 and we'll reconvene at 00:12:50.079 --> 00:12:53.079 6:24. 00:12:53.680 --> 00:12:55.576 Okay, so we are back live. So 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:57.176 councilors, we do actually need to vote 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.656 on item 4.1, which has been moved by 00:12:59.680 --> 00:13:01.576 myself and council McDonald. Once it's 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:03.896 been voted on and hopefully supported, 00:13:03.920 --> 00:13:05.576 we will then have a procedural motion to 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.096 move into a committee of the whole where 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.896 we can go through the budget request. 00:13:09.920 --> 00:13:12.615 So I'm going to put the motion on 4.1. 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:14.856 All those in favor, 00:13:14.880 --> 00:13:16.696 that is unanimous and carried. Thank 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.375 you, councilors. And I'll now move a 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.016 procedural motion that we move into 00:13:21.040 --> 00:13:23.016 committee of the whole. So in order to 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:24.615 discuss the budget requests that 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:25.976 secondly council broadband and we'll 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.000 move that and that is unanimously 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.736 supported. So we're now in committee. So 00:13:31.760 --> 00:13:34.055 the way debate happens here is is 00:13:34.079 --> 00:13:36.856 different to when we're in um normal 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:39.736 meeting mode counselors. So as agreed, 00:13:39.760 --> 00:13:42.136 we'll now go through each bud request 00:13:42.160 --> 00:13:44.615 one at a time. We will hear from a 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.096 counselor who has sponsored the 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:48.856 budget request. They will hopefully 00:13:48.880 --> 00:13:51.656 stick to around 60 seconds maximum 00:13:51.680 --> 00:13:54.680 talking about the the specific item. If 00:13:54.800 --> 00:13:56.136 a council would like to speak against 00:13:56.160 --> 00:13:58.055 it, they'll be offered that opportunity. 00:13:58.079 --> 00:14:01.079 We will then vote on each item and work 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.136 our way through the approximately 60 or 00:14:04.160 --> 00:14:06.536 so items we have. 00:14:06.560 --> 00:14:09.255 So to kick things off, 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:12.136 the first one council McDonald is one 00:14:12.160 --> 00:14:13.896 from you which is and I'll read them 00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:15.976 out. So the first one's going to be road 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.976 infrastructure thoroughly street queen 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.000 east additional parking. 00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:25.096 Thank you, Mayor. And I may, if it if um 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.120 if it assists, um talk about items one 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.399 and two collectively as they are 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.240 um related. Um the project and I should 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.296 say from the outset um declare that I am 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:40.696 a member of the U PNC along with the 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.720 Mayor of Queen Ben East. Um this is a 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.320 necessity based on the increased use 00:14:47.839 --> 00:14:50.216 and growth of the school precinct on 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.375 Thorilly Street. in and around 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.399 Queenian East public. Um 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:59.480 um the school has has grown um to 00:15:00.880 --> 00:15:03.880 around 280 students which is its 00:15:04.160 --> 00:15:07.160 capacity. Um Thoroughly Street um is 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.399 adjacent to a an industrial estate 00:15:12.160 --> 00:15:14.456 meaning the vehicle traffic is is 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.096 heavy and frequent including at school 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:20.120 drop off and pickup times. Um the um use 00:15:21.839 --> 00:15:24.839 of the Lily and surrounding streets 00:15:25.040 --> 00:15:27.416 has further increased through the 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.440 advent of a um of a daycare center and 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.096 will further increase on the completion 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.815 of a preschool within the school grounds 00:15:37.839 --> 00:15:40.296 as a result of a state government um 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.320 development to um to around additional 00:15:43.839 --> 00:15:46.839 80 students or or kids attending 00:15:46.880 --> 00:15:49.815 preschool. Um this is a lowcost option 00:15:49.839 --> 00:15:52.456 to deal with a matter which the state 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.255 government has no additional funding for 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.279 and I I um thank colleagues for their 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.055 consideration. 00:16:00.079 --> 00:16:02.055 Thank you council. That was a minute 22 00:16:02.079 --> 00:16:04.935 just as an FYI as a as a guide. You were 00:16:04.959 --> 00:16:06.696 pretty close. Yeah there two. Oh there 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.055 you go. All right we will allow that. 00:16:08.079 --> 00:16:09.656 Councelor Wilson you like to speak 00:16:09.680 --> 00:16:11.175 against? 00:16:11.199 --> 00:16:13.016 I have a question of councelor McDonald 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:15.656 and staff and in in good faith very 00:16:15.680 --> 00:16:16.935 much so. I just wanted to check council 00:16:16.959 --> 00:16:18.935 McDonald do you have a letter of support 00:16:18.959 --> 00:16:20.776 or or the like from the actual school? 00:16:20.800 --> 00:16:22.776 This is a rather large decision to take 00:16:22.800 --> 00:16:25.255 away large but it's a sub it's a 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.976 substantial decision. yeah so and if 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:30.055 any staff have any view as well. 00:16:30.079 --> 00:16:32.375 Um thank you through you may councelor 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.016 Wilson. Um that is forthcoming. I have 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:37.735 discussed it with the PNC. Um it has the 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:39.815 strong support of the school principal 00:16:39.839 --> 00:16:42.839 who will maintain his his ownership 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.735 or or or stewardship of the entire 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:47.656 school precinct which will include the 00:16:47.680 --> 00:16:50.680 preschool and he has had um as along 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.136 with um the Mayor and I have had many 00:16:54.160 --> 00:16:55.735 discussions about the the 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:58.216 inadequacies. It is presently a 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.240 superfluous piece of um land which 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:03.656 will become even more superfluous once 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:05.655 the preschool has finalized. But I can 00:17:05.679 --> 00:17:08.679 assure you um that the um PNC are 00:17:08.959 --> 00:17:11.959 supportive of this. 00:17:12.959 --> 00:17:15.959 Okay. CW just a quick question in 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.055 regards to the notes on item two. It 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:19.415 says that the kiss and ride should be 00:17:19.439 --> 00:17:20.856 retained and the school precinct will 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.880 get busier. Um I know that the traffic 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:25.496 committee before would was would very 00:17:25.520 --> 00:17:27.096 keen on kiss and ride so was transport 00:17:27.120 --> 00:17:29.655 New South Wales as a safety feature. So 00:17:29.679 --> 00:17:32.456 um I know no one likes them but it's 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:33.976 been proven to be a safety feature. So 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:35.336 does that mean that if we vote for it 00:17:35.360 --> 00:17:36.856 that this is actually going to come back 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.880 if it's going to happen or not 00:17:43.520 --> 00:17:45.015 through through you Mr. Mayor that 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:46.616 recommendation would be that subject to 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:48.616 that endorsement we'd get a a review be 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:50.056 undertaken a report come back to 00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:52.616 council. 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.616 Okay there's no further discuss there is 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:55.895 councelor Grundy. 00:17:55.919 --> 00:17:58.535 Thank you Mr. Mayor. look I'm I'm a 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:01.096 bit concerned about this. My apologies 00:18:01.120 --> 00:18:04.120 councelor. Um and it's it's simply 00:18:04.320 --> 00:18:07.256 because as you will all recall over 12 00:18:07.280 --> 00:18:10.280 months ago I was successful in 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.655 putting forward um a notice of motion 00:18:13.679 --> 00:18:16.216 that dealt with improving traffic 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.240 safety around the Carib school precinct. 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.976 I'm sure you all remember that. Now um 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.000 whilst I have no objection whatsoever 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:29.080 to the the improvement of the 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:32.775 management of children and traffic at 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:35.799 this site. I'm just concerned that only 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.559 two days ago a a parent called me to say 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.416 nothing has changed for the Carib school 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.440 precinct. Not a single thing. We had a 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:48.775 report come to council a couple of 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.799 months back um and I'm concerned that 00:18:53.120 --> 00:18:56.120 we're about to allocate 70 odd grand 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.559 here and yet we've got parents with um 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.480 multiple school operations in that 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.936 precinct still waiting for some change 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.096 12 months later. That that's the 00:19:09.120 --> 00:19:11.416 principle I'm trying to grapple with at 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.976 the moment. And I'm just wondering why 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.216 is there a delay? what's on the horizon, 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:18.376 if anything. Can anyone give me any 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.376 further information? 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.400 See, they likely can. I don't think 00:19:23.520 --> 00:19:25.096 we're going to be able to get through 60 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:26.456 agenda items if we're talking about 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:28.456 things that aren't actually in front of 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:30.216 us to to vote on. Councelor Grundy, I 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:32.296 think you do raise valid concerns. As a 00:19:32.320 --> 00:19:33.736 parent of both schools that we're 00:19:33.760 --> 00:19:35.336 talking about at the moment, there are 00:19:35.360 --> 00:19:38.360 issues at both. Um, tonight we can only 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:39.655 make a decision on what's being 00:19:39.679 --> 00:19:41.015 forwarded by Council McDonald. Councelor 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:41.736 Preston. 00:19:41.760 --> 00:19:43.496 Yeah. I just also had a question either 00:19:43.520 --> 00:19:45.416 to staff or to councelor McDonald if he 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:47.736 had the information as as why would this 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:49.576 not be funded by department of 00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:51.816 education. 00:19:51.840 --> 00:19:54.056 Um happy to take that and thank you 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:55.655 council Preston through your Mayor for 00:19:55.679 --> 00:19:58.376 the question. Um this was the first 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.136 question which I asked of the school 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.535 principal why do the department of 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.256 education state department does um not 00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:08.280 include any ancillary funding for um for 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:11.400 the obvious um increased use. the 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:15.655 package, the total package and the total 00:20:15.679 --> 00:20:18.679 scope limited at the placement and 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.216 the the the um operation and the 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.456 ancillary works of the preschool within 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:27.480 the school grounds and did not provide a 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:31.799 single cracker additional hence this 00:20:31.840 --> 00:20:34.296 um hence this and that was pressure 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:36.616 tested um throughout the entire process 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:38.616 from the school principal with the 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:40.936 department. Council Willis, 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.960 can we ask the department to fund it? 00:20:46.159 --> 00:20:47.976 Um, 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.535 look, yes. I I mean, we could ask the 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.775 department to to to do any number of 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:55.799 things. , the realistic um or the 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:58.856 reality is I think the department will 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:01.736 not yield to that and I I would hate 00:21:01.760 --> 00:21:03.015 to have to come back, you know, through 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:05.416 a general fund request, through a 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.440 notice of motion to do this. The process 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.559 for having had that determination has 00:21:12.080 --> 00:21:14.296 has happened through the through the 00:21:14.320 --> 00:21:16.135 school's infrastructure group and 00:21:16.159 --> 00:21:17.576 through the department of education and 00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:19.816 through the school principal who pushed 00:21:19.840 --> 00:21:22.696 really hard through the inception and 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.336 planning and development um of this 00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:27.336 project. 00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:30.135 Thank you. Thank you. councelor 00:21:30.159 --> 00:21:31.015 Wilson. 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:32.535 Sorry, just point of clarity. I know 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:33.576 we're in committee so I can get away 00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:35.176 with it. But I think we should deal with 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.176 one and two separately cuz I have I have 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.895 I have issues with the cassette. 00:21:39.919 --> 00:21:40.775 Oh, okay. Sorry. 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:42.296 Yep. So, we will we're going to vote on 00:21:42.320 --> 00:21:43.655 number one and then number two. And if 00:21:43.679 --> 00:21:45.736 there's no further discussion, I'll put 00:21:45.760 --> 00:21:48.456 number one. All those in favor are going 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:51.480 to be councilors Broadbent, Mdonald, 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.056 Preston, 00:21:54.080 --> 00:21:56.616 Schwer. There's enough. Are we going to 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:58.216 record counselors for every single one? 00:21:58.240 --> 00:21:59.736 Well, I just want the number in or out. 00:21:59.760 --> 00:22:00.936 Yeah. Well, that one's in. 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.960 Okay. Okay. and then number two, 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.296 we'll vote on number two which has zero 00:22:06.320 --> 00:22:07.895 budget impact will not. So all those in 00:22:07.919 --> 00:22:10.919 favor of number two 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:14.520 one two three four five six that's 00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:17.176 enough. That one's in. Okay. Number 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:19.976 three which is me. So upgrade Agnes 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.976 Avenue Park. So sometimes this gets 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.736 called Ross Road Parklet. Sometimes it's 00:22:23.760 --> 00:22:25.816 called Agnes Avenue Park. It's literally 00:22:25.840 --> 00:22:28.456 the land behind where the restbite care 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:30.056 center has been built. Respite care 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:32.456 center. Rest plate Care faces Ross Road. 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:35.015 The leftover green space behind it faces 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.336 Agnes Avenue. So that's the area of land 00:22:37.360 --> 00:22:39.096 I'm talking about. It has not spent had 00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:42.056 a scent spent on it in my lifetime. I 00:22:42.080 --> 00:22:43.496 grew up across the road once upon a 00:22:43.520 --> 00:22:45.655 time. We took away the basketball courts 00:22:45.679 --> 00:22:47.496 that were there when we built the rest 00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:49.655 care center. On top of it, I'm asking 00:22:49.679 --> 00:22:52.056 that we proceed to get this to detailed 00:22:52.080 --> 00:22:53.976 design and get the detailed design and 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.336 costing done so that it's tender ready 00:22:55.360 --> 00:22:57.256 so when opportunities do come up, we can 00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:59.256 put pressure on other governments to pay 00:22:59.280 --> 00:23:01.015 for it. That's my ass. We took away 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:02.936 green space. There is no basketball 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:04.216 there anymore. It's literally just a 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.176 small path or not small but a pass of 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.576 past of land there. where I really 00:23:09.600 --> 00:23:11.176 think we do owe the the community 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.200 something to get something built there. 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:16.456 Yeah. Does was anyone like have any 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:17.976 questions or like more information or 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.696 speak against it? If not, we'll put that 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:22.696 one. Council's all those in favor. 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.416 That's a yes. Number four is councelor 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.256 Willis the Mount Jeromber Reserve Plan 00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:29.976 of Management. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.736 Yeah, considering this is in or the 00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:33.816 notes from staffer this this is in the 00:23:33.840 --> 00:23:35.176 budget. Do we actually need to debate 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:36.376 this one? Council will 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.216 I just want to use it to make a point 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.176 which is about the process noting 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.200 that this is new for all of us. Um I you 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.616 know today when I was finishing looking 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.096 at all the bids I thought I don't know 00:23:49.120 --> 00:23:52.120 what's in the budget the So when we did 00:23:52.320 --> 00:23:54.696 this last time so this is for 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.696 consideration for improvement. When we 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.336 did this last time we did this bit after 00:23:59.360 --> 00:24:01.655 we'd seen all the contents of the 00:24:01.679 --> 00:24:03.655 budget. So I don't know if there are 00:24:03.679 --> 00:24:06.679 things on here that might be worth um 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:08.616 substituting for something that's in the 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.936 budget. So I think that I would like 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.936 staff to take that on notice to think 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:14.456 about that for next time. 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:15.736 Yeah. Thank you, Council W. I think we 00:24:15.760 --> 00:24:17.096 all agree there's lessons learned every 00:24:17.120 --> 00:24:18.376 time we put a budget together. We're 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:20.296 doing something very different this year 00:24:20.320 --> 00:24:22.296 and we won't get it absolutely 100% 00:24:22.320 --> 00:24:24.135 correct, but we will learn from it and 00:24:24.159 --> 00:24:25.976 improve next year if we need to do it 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:27.255 in this similar fashion. So Council 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:28.936 Willis, you're up again for number five, 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:31.336 the urban forest and cooling strategy. 00:24:31.360 --> 00:24:32.775 Thank you. The council adopted this 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.799 strategy in early 2022, but it hasn't 00:24:35.840 --> 00:24:37.895 allocated funding to implement it until 00:24:37.919 --> 00:24:40.056 this financial year with funding for 00:24:40.080 --> 00:24:42.296 heat mapping. This work needs to be 00:24:42.320 --> 00:24:44.696 followed up with funds for planting. We 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.616 have local land care groups ready and 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.616 eager to support council's efforts 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.015 reducing the cost for planting and other 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:54.039 actions in the strategy. 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:57.096 Okay, discussion from councilors. If 00:24:57.120 --> 00:24:58.616 not, we'll put this one to a vote. All 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.640 those in favor that is in the next one. 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.376 Number six, Council Willis Bwong and 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:06.535 Wombo Greenways. 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.936 Thank you. There's $20,000 in the budget 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.336 for this work. The committee has 00:25:11.360 --> 00:25:13.816 requested an extra 10,000. That would be 00:25:13.840 --> 00:25:15.655 equivalent to what they've had for the 00:25:15.679 --> 00:25:17.576 last two years. This is a volunteer 00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:19.176 committee that looks after council's 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.816 greenways network with its biodiversity 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:24.840 values and is well used by residents. 00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:27.176 they've had the greenways had minimal 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.496 support from the merged council until we 00:25:29.520 --> 00:25:31.816 started funding it. The council endorsed 00:25:31.840 --> 00:25:33.416 a master plan that the committee 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:35.255 developed and for the past two years 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:38.216 have allocated 30,000. This financial 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.616 year all of the allocation had to be 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.576 used to rectify grant funded works that 00:25:43.600 --> 00:25:46.535 failed because of erosion. This means 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.696 that the work plan for this financial 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.015 year hasn't been achieved. And so 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.736 supporting the committee with 30,000 for 00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:56.296 next financial year will help ameliate 00:25:56.320 --> 00:25:58.616 some of the problem with having to 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:01.336 basically spend their allocation this 00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:04.360 year on repair work. 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:05.736 Thanks Councelor Willis. Is there 00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:08.135 discussion on this one? If not, we'll 00:26:08.159 --> 00:26:10.456 put it to a vote. All those in favor 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.480 that is in. The next one is number seven 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.496 which is a braidwood common mate 00:26:15.520 --> 00:26:17.255 maintenance weed management and we note 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:19.015 that it appears to be replicated at 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:21.976 number 38 as a request from section 355 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.576 committee. 00:26:23.600 --> 00:26:26.600 It's 00:26:27.360 --> 00:26:29.496 yeah so I think we talk about it now 00:26:29.520 --> 00:26:31.096 when we get to 38 we can skip over it. 00:26:31.120 --> 00:26:32.535 So would you like to speak to this one 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:33.496 council Willis? 00:26:33.520 --> 00:26:35.096 Yes thank you. I'm the councelor rep on 00:26:35.120 --> 00:26:37.176 this committee. Um the staff have 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:38.856 replied that they're happy for council 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.696 staff to take on this job. It's an 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:42.616 enormous job and I think the committee 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.535 is just a bit nervous about what kind of 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:46.296 resourcing would be available. There's 00:26:46.320 --> 00:26:49.320 another important issue and that is um 00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:52.216 weeds spraying weeds is not always 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.240 the the best or appropriate source of 00:26:55.520 --> 00:26:58.376 weed management and the the committee 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.176 would want some confidence that um 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.176 council was going to use its judgment 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.135 and not simply go in and broadly spray 00:27:06.159 --> 00:27:08.535 um to address the problem. So I just 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.616 need a bit of confidence about or some 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.216 information about what kind of 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.775 resourcing council could allocate if 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.015 council did the work. 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:18.856 Okay. Thank you. And council just note 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:20.775 so the general manager has said we 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:22.616 should have actually have $5,000 in 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.696 there and not nothing in terms of the 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.775 impact on the budget there. 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:27.496 Yep. 00:27:27.520 --> 00:27:28.135 Number seven. 00:27:28.159 --> 00:27:29.496 For number seven. 00:27:29.520 --> 00:27:31.496 Yep. Is there further discussion on 00:27:31.520 --> 00:27:34.520 number seven? Councelor Grundy. just 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.559 to um identify that if this does 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.255 reflect 38, it's clear that the staff 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.176 are suggesting it can quite adequately 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.336 be done in house and that 5,000 doesn't 00:27:45.360 --> 00:27:47.416 need to be allocated. 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.496 Yep. Is there any further discussion? If 00:27:49.520 --> 00:27:50.936 not, we'll put that one. Councilors, all 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.960 those in favor? That's a no, that one. 00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.456 Next one. Councilor Willisu again. Peace 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.216 Park Queen. 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.456 Thank you. I put in a request for some 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.216 improvements to Peace Park. 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.936 was dedicated 40 years ago this year. 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.015 The staff have said that they they can't 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.416 help with the path because of a 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.015 compliance issue, but the other work 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.176 should be done including land carees 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.336 planting will be done at no additional 00:28:15.360 --> 00:28:18.216 cost. So this doesn't need to proceed. 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.696 Okay. So 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.416 so it's it's in because there's no near 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:25.255 impact. Yeah. 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.135 Zero. 00:28:26.159 --> 00:28:27.655 It's zero. If you read the comment, it's 00:28:27.679 --> 00:28:30.679 a zero cost for council here. So that's 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.720 a tick number nine. 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.496 Councelor Willis, feral animal and weed 00:28:37.520 --> 00:28:38.216 management. 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.895 thank you. Yes. So we brought the 00:28:39.919 --> 00:28:42.135 matter of feral animals to council a few 00:28:42.159 --> 00:28:43.976 weeks ago because of the problem up at 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.216 Stringy Bark Ridge where a flock of a 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.936 herd of goats were eating um the local 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.176 native vegetation. that feral animals 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.176 are posing a risk to people in urban 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:54.856 areas and they're destroying local 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.655 vegetation including vegetation 00:28:57.679 --> 00:29:00.296 reveation work undertaken by community 00:29:00.320 --> 00:29:02.936 volunteers. Um staff have said in their 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.416 response that this is local land 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.056 services work, but we we keep going 00:29:08.080 --> 00:29:09.576 around in circles on this issue because 00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:11.496 I've raised this previously and we need 00:29:11.520 --> 00:29:13.736 to work out how we're going to deal 00:29:13.760 --> 00:29:15.496 with it because there is actually a risk 00:29:15.520 --> 00:29:17.576 to people's safety with these animals, 00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:20.600 the deer actually in town now and 00:29:21.360 --> 00:29:23.576 they're in Braidwood. 00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:25.336 Thank you, Council Willis. Just a brief 00:29:25.360 --> 00:29:28.296 comment from me. Um I'm not going to 00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:30.216 support any increase when we see there's 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:31.576 already money in there. I think council 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:32.936 would all benefit from some sort of 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.255 workshop or meeting the boss of local 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.255 lander services who's literally on level 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.015 four above us and just have a quick 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.936 discussion or we can all learn a bit 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.456 more about what that what they're meant 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.456 to do with their limited resources and 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.015 what council is meant to do or not do. 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.775 Councelor Wilson. 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:50.856 thank you Mayor. I do support 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.336 council's direction here and I just 00:29:53.360 --> 00:29:54.775 have a quick question. What do we spend 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:56.696 the 5k on despite it not being our 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.720 problem according to the paper? 00:29:59.840 --> 00:30:01.176 We have a member of staff able to take 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.200 the one general manager. 00:30:04.320 --> 00:30:06.375 Okay. Well, I I will pick up on that 00:30:06.399 --> 00:30:09.096 vacant response. Mayor, I'm a bit 00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:10.936 fired up about this. you know, I love 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:12.856 the stringy bark reserve at Jerabombra. 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.375 and it's the first time I started to 00:30:14.399 --> 00:30:17.176 see deer and goats in that reserve. 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.976 this is a community of 9 and a 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.976 half thousand people. a lot of rate 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.816 payers in Jera and I think they'd be 00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:25.976 pretty they'd want council to take a 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.655 proactive role. So, I'm happy to do this 00:30:27.679 --> 00:30:29.895 sort of let's write and see how it goes, 00:30:29.919 --> 00:30:32.616 but I think we went through the SRV 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:33.895 to get us in a position where we can 00:30:33.919 --> 00:30:35.576 look after our land a bit better and we 00:30:35.600 --> 00:30:37.976 spend an awful amount on weeds. If we're 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:39.976 all out of feral animals, then let let's 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.895 hear that. But if we're able to do a 00:30:41.919 --> 00:30:43.976 coordinated joint response or get extra 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.736 money through a grant, let's do that 00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:47.576 because the problem has arrived. And I 00:30:47.600 --> 00:30:48.856 know there's some people out in Palarang 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.535 saying, "Welcome to the party, Councelor 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.336 Wilson." Um but I think this is going 00:30:53.360 --> 00:30:54.856 to become more of an issue for us and we 00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:56.135 have to tackle it and I don't want to 00:30:56.159 --> 00:30:57.895 see the wonderful string reserve and 00:30:57.919 --> 00:31:00.535 Mount Jerobomber reserve um get degraded 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:01.895 as a result of it. Thank you Mayor. 00:31:01.919 --> 00:31:04.135 Thank you councelor McDonald. 00:31:04.159 --> 00:31:06.296 I I regrettably am not going to vote for 00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:09.320 this because it is so valid. It is 00:31:09.360 --> 00:31:11.416 such so necessary but this is the state 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.576 government responsibility really and 00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:15.976 here we are offering to cost shift onto 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:17.655 ourselves because they will not do the 00:31:17.679 --> 00:31:19.895 work which they are meant to do. Now, 00:31:19.919 --> 00:31:22.056 here I am. I I had a notice of motion, 00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:24.135 Mayor, to the point you make about 00:31:24.159 --> 00:31:26.775 speaking to local land services. I had a 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.655 notice of motion 18 months ago to to 00:31:29.679 --> 00:31:32.296 call them so as that we could talk about 00:31:32.320 --> 00:31:34.375 weed management and feral invasive 00:31:34.399 --> 00:31:36.456 species management 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:37.655 crickets. I don't know if they're an 00:31:37.679 --> 00:31:39.736 invasive species, nothing. So, I regret 00:31:39.760 --> 00:31:41.895 that until they do something which shows 00:31:41.919 --> 00:31:43.895 they are doing their job, I don't think 00:31:43.919 --> 00:31:45.096 we should pick up the tab for them. 00:31:45.120 --> 00:31:46.456 Yeah. I think council McDonald just 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:47.895 needs to be aware that if we're going to 00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:49.655 run the cost shift argument, we've just 00:31:49.679 --> 00:31:51.495 approved a car parking endorsement on 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:52.856 the back of a state project. So there's 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:53.976 always a bit of 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.775 that's actually a state road a council 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:57.176 road. 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.456 Let's stick to the one we're we're 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.296 talking about. Any other council like to 00:32:00.320 --> 00:32:02.056 make a comment otherwise I'm going to 00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:04.616 put to a vote. All those in favor that 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.416 one's a no. The next one is council 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.135 Willis public bus shelter installation. 00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:12.856 Thank you. This is follows an a request 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.816 at a council community meeting in 00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:18.840 Araluan late last year. they after 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.176 a bus shelter particularly for the 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.255 children. I know that it's been listed 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.279 at the top of a list of possible 00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.255 locations for bus shelters for a 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.056 grant application, but until recently 00:32:32.080 --> 00:32:34.135 council included funding for one new 00:32:34.159 --> 00:32:37.159 shelter in its annual budget and someone 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.375 has removed it. and I didn't notice 00:32:40.399 --> 00:32:43.015 until this matter came up. I'm 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.736 seeking this small sum to be reinstated 00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:48.535 in this coming year for Araluan to 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.375 ensure that council is not relying 00:32:50.399 --> 00:32:52.616 solely on a grants program to provide 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.696 basic infrastructure that supports 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.720 sustainable transport. Um yep, thank 00:32:58.159 --> 00:32:58.936 you. 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.456 Thank you, Council Willis. Councelor 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.336 Broadband, 00:33:01.360 --> 00:33:03.816 I was just going to say quickly um in my 00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:05.736 discussions with the youth committee 00:33:05.760 --> 00:33:07.255 we've actually been talking about one of 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.736 the primary ways that we can connect um 00:33:09.760 --> 00:33:12.216 with our young people is actually 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.056 through the bus network. Um it seems to 00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:15.976 be quite effective and one of the ideas 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.000 that they have been tackling is actually 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.216 using the bus shelters as a council 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.176 communications method. So, , having 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.576 bus shelters is important if we want to 00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:29.576 look at that as a potential option in 00:33:29.600 --> 00:33:30.375 future. 00:33:30.399 --> 00:33:31.976 Thank you. Is there further discussion 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.895 on this one, councelor Wilson? 00:33:33.919 --> 00:33:36.375 Sorry, I'm just, , reading along here. 00:33:36.399 --> 00:33:38.375 So, this was something we did all the 00:33:38.399 --> 00:33:39.736 time when we removed the general fund or 00:33:39.760 --> 00:33:41.096 is this something we're going to put 00:33:41.120 --> 00:33:42.456 back into the general fund and start 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:43.816 doing bus shelters again because I think 00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:45.416 it's been grant funded traditionally. Is 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.216 that right? 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.456 , no. There used to be an allocation 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.616 in the budget until a couple of years 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.495 ago for a sh one shelter a year. That's 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.519 how I I got asked staff to expand the 00:33:57.600 --> 00:33:59.976 upgrade the shelter near the Riverside 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.775 Plaza shops because a lot of people use 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:04.535 it. They you know do their shopping and 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:05.336 go home on the bus. 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:07.576 Thank you. 00:34:07.600 --> 00:34:09.095 Okay. Councelor Grundy, 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.335 can I just ask for some explanation of 00:34:11.359 --> 00:34:12.936 under the notes bus shelters are 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.375 submitted in annual New South Wales 00:34:14.399 --> 00:34:16.055 government funding for these projects. 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.776 What does that actually mean? 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.335 General manager. 00:34:21.359 --> 00:34:23.895 three, Mr. May there's an annual 00:34:23.919 --> 00:34:25.335 community public transport 00:34:25.359 --> 00:34:27.335 infrastructure program that we submit a 00:34:27.359 --> 00:34:30.359 list of bus shelters for funding. 00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:33.416 I guess the likelihood or otherwise of 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.655 being successful is unknown. Do we have 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.679 any historical experience there? 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:41.335 through Mr. Mayor, we do with series 00:34:41.359 --> 00:34:43.335 of bus shelters that were funded last in 00:34:43.359 --> 00:34:46.359 the last two financial years. 00:34:46.720 --> 00:34:48.216 If there's nothing further, we'll put 00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:49.496 this one to the vote. All those in 00:34:49.520 --> 00:34:52.520 favor? 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.615 That's a yes. The next one is councelor 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.216 Willis, Quebeian Showground pavilion 00:34:58.240 --> 00:34:59.575 painting. 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.136 Thank you. Last year we didn't um we 00:35:02.160 --> 00:35:05.016 decided not to fund this work. and my 00:35:05.040 --> 00:35:06.616 recollection is it was a request from 00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:09.176 the showground committee. Um the 00:35:09.200 --> 00:35:11.176 showgrounds a state listed heritage 00:35:11.200 --> 00:35:13.256 item. It's well used and it's an 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.176 important social, cultural, and economic 00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:17.736 asset for Queenian. Timely painting work 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.575 will protect the pavilion from more 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.976 damage that would cost more to repair. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.136 And a good example of that is the school 00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:26.536 of arts in Bangador where we've had 00:35:26.560 --> 00:35:27.815 we're now going to have to spend more 00:35:27.839 --> 00:35:29.736 money to do the painting because there's 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.760 been damaged timbers. 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.335 Discussion on this one. Councilors 00:35:35.359 --> 00:35:37.575 councelor McDonald. 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.456 Thank you council. And I I I do recall 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.480 this um having um having cropped up 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.216 sitting on the shrine advisory committee 00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:49.240 along with councelor Wilson. Um I can't 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.599 recall um I I regret I can't recall in 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.119 the um at this juncture. I I will 00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.095 support it, but I I what I would like to 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.456 do when we do have a meeting of the show 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.776 ground advisory committee in a 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.856 fortnight's time and I'll raise it at 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.880 that point to test um their you know 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.736 where it sits within their priorities if 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.575 it gets through tonight. 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.095 Is there further discussion on this one? 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.416 Councelor Wilson, can I just seek 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.256 clarity from the staff that that is a 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.776 priority and there's been a bid from the 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.216 committee because I I've checked the 00:36:20.240 --> 00:36:21.335 minutes so I couldn't see. I'm not 00:36:21.359 --> 00:36:22.616 saying councelor Willis is making it up 00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:24.055 at all, but I don't want to approve 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:25.815 something tonight at 150K. It's not 00:36:25.839 --> 00:36:27.976 insignificant and what you said Mayor 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.256 was going to happen is probably going to 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:30.216 happen. We're going to get through this 00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:31.256 and at the back end it's going to be 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:32.536 hard to get things up because we spent 00:36:32.560 --> 00:36:34.456 so many already. The pattern has been 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.376 established. I can see. So I don't want 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.136 to do this and then the the committee 00:36:38.160 --> 00:36:41.160 says I didn't did we ask for 150k. So 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.280 yeah, sorry. So question is can staff 00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:45.736 just give a little clarity around the 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.335 priorities of this one? is Miss Rich 00:36:47.359 --> 00:36:48.376 Miss Richards. 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.216 through you, Mayor. There was a full 00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:53.016 building report done on this in 2024 00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:55.575 that came to council. They did ask 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.575 for a budget allocation last year and 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.815 that that got flipped over for other 00:36:59.839 --> 00:37:02.536 projects. the work really is needed. 00:37:02.560 --> 00:37:04.936 The committee hasn't recently put it in 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.575 their minutes, but they constantly talk 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.575 about the need for attention to the 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.536 building. 00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:12.856 Secondary question, M. What if it was 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:14.616 really needed? Why didn't staff put it 00:37:14.640 --> 00:37:16.616 in the opera draft operational plan and 00:37:16.640 --> 00:37:19.640 left it to a council to do a bid? 00:37:21.200 --> 00:37:22.696 Much? 00:37:22.720 --> 00:37:25.496 Um I suspect it was just oversight. 00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:27.575 Fair enough. Thank you. 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.095 Okay. I'm actually going to vote no to 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:30.696 this one. I because I would like to be 00:37:30.720 --> 00:37:32.296 very very clear from the show ground. If 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.616 we would gave them $150,000, would they 00:37:34.640 --> 00:37:36.216 spend it on painting this pavilion or is 00:37:36.240 --> 00:37:37.575 there something higher priority for 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.016 them? And if they can come back to us 00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:41.016 before the 13th of May meeting, then 00:37:41.040 --> 00:37:42.456 potentially you can go back in. But for 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.256 now, I'm not sure. Is there any further 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.335 discussion on this one? We'll put it to 00:37:47.359 --> 00:37:49.976 the vote. Those are voting yes. So 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.376 that's a no. The next item, councelor 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.136 Willis, is implementation of strategy 00:37:54.160 --> 00:37:56.696 for managing historic cemeteries. 00:37:56.720 --> 00:37:58.616 Thank you. I think this item's been 00:37:58.640 --> 00:38:01.176 misunderstood. I hadn't actually I 00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:03.256 wasn't asking for a figure that's around 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.136 the amount of money that was allocated 00:38:06.160 --> 00:38:08.936 to hire someone to develop 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.960 conservation strategy. Um, so I haven't 00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:14.936 actually I'm not ask I wasn't asking for 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.736 any particular money but I did want to 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.696 ensure that there will be funds budgeted 00:38:20.720 --> 00:38:22.936 to implement the outcomes of the 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.176 consultancy work because there has been 00:38:25.200 --> 00:38:27.736 a tendency in the past that work 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.536 strategic work is done and that it's not 00:38:30.560 --> 00:38:33.176 followed up with funding. Um, so I don't 00:38:33.200 --> 00:38:35.176 have a figure in mind and I think the 00:38:35.200 --> 00:38:36.856 staff I don't have those. Oh, is it 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:37.496 here? 00:38:37.520 --> 00:38:39.496 150k they've got down. 00:38:39.520 --> 00:38:41.896 Yeah. No, I don't want I'm not after 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.456 $150,000. There's a comment there from 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.480 the staff about another piece of work 00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:49.416 coming to us. 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.136 My apologies. 00:38:52.160 --> 00:38:54.776 150,000. 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:56.696 So that's what the staff have estimated 00:38:56.720 --> 00:38:58.055 would need to be included. Is that 00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:59.575 right, General Manager? 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.136 No. No. through M the strategy was 150. 00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:03.736 We're still waiting on that strategy 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:05.496 with the action plan which will then 00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:07.496 lead into what the implementation 00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:09.896 strategy would be. As the CFO has 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.896 advised, when you council receive that 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.055 report, they can certainly put something 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.496 into the budget as long as you've got 00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:18.296 enough unrestricted cash. 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:19.335 That's it. So, I think the way forward 00:39:19.359 --> 00:39:20.776 on this one, council bill, is wait until 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.456 we get this report and then we make 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.480 decisions on how much of fund per year. 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:28.536 Okay. So, we're happy with that. We move 00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:30.616 on to the next one, which is 13. 00:39:30.640 --> 00:39:32.376 Retractable cover for Queen outdoor 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.296 pool. 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.296 , thank you. I think this is another 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.376 item that's been misunderstood, and that 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.536 might be my fault. I'm not asking for $5 00:39:40.560 --> 00:39:43.176 million from the budget to install a 00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:45.016 retractable cover. That was the cost 00:39:45.040 --> 00:39:47.575 estimate a couple of years ago when we 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.536 ruled out um shade sales for various 00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:53.256 reasons. Um, what I'm seeking is that 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.095 council bring forward the year in which 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.736 it seeks grant funding to cover the 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.536 cost. So, it's in the outer years of the 00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:02.696 delivery program and that was in a a 00:40:02.720 --> 00:40:05.095 report that we had a few months ago and 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.815 I don't understand why it's allocated 00:40:07.839 --> 00:40:10.616 for those years. Um, there is a a clear 00:40:10.640 --> 00:40:13.640 problem with capacity at the pool. 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.376 with the swimming schools using the pool 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.095 many weeks of summer. You can't swim 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.016 outdoors in the afternoon because it's 00:40:21.040 --> 00:40:23.335 too hot without shade. In winter, the 00:40:23.359 --> 00:40:25.656 indoor pool is at capacity at peak 00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:27.496 times. There are certainly parts of the 00:40:27.520 --> 00:40:29.176 day during the week when there's plenty 00:40:29.200 --> 00:40:31.176 of capacity, but not when everyone wants 00:40:31.200 --> 00:40:32.856 to use it, particularly because there's 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.416 so many swimming classes. And I think 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.216 that my view is we need to increase 00:40:38.240 --> 00:40:41.240 revenue to um support the pool. We 00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:44.296 either increase fees which makes it 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.456 unaffordable for some people to use the 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.480 pool or we increase um users and we 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.320 can't increase users unless we invest 00:40:54.160 --> 00:40:57.160 in the capacity to use the outdoor pool 00:40:57.520 --> 00:41:00.376 for more months of the year. So all I'm 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.856 asking for is that we actually look for 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.736 a grant next financial year. It's a few 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.896 quite a few years before Goopool will 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.536 come online to help ease the pressure. 00:41:10.560 --> 00:41:12.136 I see. So I think staff can take that on 00:41:12.160 --> 00:41:13.496 notice and it's already in the plan for 00:41:13.520 --> 00:41:15.575 278 2829. So I don't actually think we 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.936 need to make a decision on this one. 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.376 It's already in the longtime financial 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.400 plan. So we can go on to 14 which is 00:41:21.839 --> 00:41:23.575 regional sports complex which is yours 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.599 again councelor Willis. 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.776 this was a request to ensure that 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.416 funding is available to finish the work 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.440 to develop a new business case. we 00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:41.736 when we raised this originally we 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.656 were looking to have the new any new 00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:46.680 fees implemented in for 2627 sorry 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.055 for 2526 that didn't happen and now 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.079 we're dealing with budget 2627 and we're 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.280 still not in a position to address 00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.776 the problem there where the revenue is 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.800 far below the projected revenue. So 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.016 I'm just seeking I want to make sure 00:42:05.040 --> 00:42:06.696 because I haven't seen the rest of the 00:42:06.720 --> 00:42:08.856 budget that this work is actually going 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.936 to happen and we'll be able to make any 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.256 changes in time for the subsequent 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:14.856 financial year. 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.095 Okay. GM does staff want to make a 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:18.856 comment on that one. Miss Richards. 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:20.536 through you Mr. Mayor. Yes, there is 00:42:20.560 --> 00:42:22.216 money in the budget to complete that 00:42:22.240 --> 00:42:25.240 work specifically in consultation. 00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:27.256 That's it. Thank you. I'm not sure we 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:28.456 need to put that one to a vote. There's 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.176 no impacts. We can go on to 15, Elton 00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:33.656 Drive Extension Noise Assessment. 00:42:33.680 --> 00:42:35.095 Council Willis. 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.416 Thank you. This bid is to ensure council 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.416 allocates funds to assist with further 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.736 noise mitigation works, including 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.616 rectifying failed noise walls following 00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:47.176 the noise assessment report presented to 00:42:47.200 --> 00:42:50.200 council last year. It was produced in 00:42:50.240 --> 00:42:52.055 August last year and it's been some 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.376 months since we've had a follow-up piece 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.400 of work identifying um priorities for 00:42:58.640 --> 00:43:01.575 noise mitigation. The report found that 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.656 noise levels well in excess of the 00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:05.496 original modeling and the New South 00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:07.736 Wales government policy guidelines for 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.760 new roads. Some 307 properties are 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.335 eligible for mitigation works because of 00:43:13.359 --> 00:43:15.815 the effect on their properties from 00:43:15.839 --> 00:43:18.839 the road mostly from heavy vehicles. To 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.416 date, no council funds have been 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.656 allocated to support this work. This is 00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:26.456 a council road approved by the QPRC 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.480 administrator 10 years ago in June. 00:43:29.839 --> 00:43:32.295 council has some funds. We've seen that 00:43:32.319 --> 00:43:35.176 in the budget summary presented earlier 00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:37.416 and it's my view that council has a 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.656 responsibility to support some noise 00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:42.295 mitigation efforts especially when we 00:43:42.319 --> 00:43:44.376 know that people are being woken in the 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.016 very early morning day after day. They 00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:48.776 cannot open their windows and they 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.536 cannot use their gardens or their other 00:43:50.560 --> 00:43:52.696 outdoor spaces. Chronic sleep 00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:54.136 disturbance is more than an 00:43:54.160 --> 00:43:56.055 inconvenience. It actually harms 00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:57.896 people's health. 00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:59.256 Okay. Thanks, Council Willis. I've 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.856 actually had a question potentially for 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.856 Miss Siggo on this one with We're saying 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.776 there's $1 million budgeted for this 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:06.456 work. Who's paying for that? Is that 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.536 coming out of council coffers work for 00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:11.560 this to improve 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.776 properties from a a road that the state 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.800 government built and said wouldn't 00:44:18.160 --> 00:44:20.216 affect the properties that we we now 00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:23.240 need to spend money on? 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:27.016 Good question there. Yeah. 00:44:27.040 --> 00:44:28.536 Um through you, Mr. Mayor. I'll take 00:44:28.560 --> 00:44:29.976 that on notice. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.656 Thank So, council, you see, there's no 00:44:31.680 --> 00:44:33.896 estimated budget impact in here, but I'd 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.055 be very keen to know where that million 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.095 dollars is coming from. 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.295 Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Just very 00:44:38.319 --> 00:44:40.536 quickly, um I'll back you up on that. 00:44:40.560 --> 00:44:41.815 The original intention of the noise 00:44:41.839 --> 00:44:43.416 study, the funds were provided by the 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.016 state member, by the way, was to do the 00:44:45.040 --> 00:44:46.456 identification work. I don't think the 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.216 intention down the track was for us then 00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:49.575 to find a million dollars to start 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.599 rectifying. But anyway, thank you. 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.936 Is there further discussion on that one? 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:56.536 I don't think we need to vote on as 00:44:56.560 --> 00:44:58.055 there's no budget impact. So the next 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.079 one is council Waterhouse Bradwood 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.656 recreation ground cricket training 00:45:03.680 --> 00:45:04.696 ground. 00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:06.456 Thanks Mr. Mayor. This was an approach 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.416 by the cricket players to just improve 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.896 the cricket training nets which is 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:13.335 right beside the tennis court because 00:45:13.359 --> 00:45:14.776 every now and again a cricket balls up 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.496 and over and takes out a tennis player. 00:45:17.520 --> 00:45:20.520 Um it's really I think 5,000 is probably 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.800 way more than needs. It's a couple of 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.856 galvanized poles, a couple of fittings, 00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.696 and a little bit of chain mesh just to 00:45:28.720 --> 00:45:31.416 extend the nets over top a bit more of 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.440 the batting area. 00:45:34.560 --> 00:45:35.976 Thank you, Council Waterhouse. Is there 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.335 discussion on this one? Councelor 00:45:37.359 --> 00:45:38.856 Willis, your mic still on FI. Council 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:39.656 McDonald. 00:45:39.680 --> 00:45:42.680 Yeah. Um can staff have provided um 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.416 with great respect a little bit of an 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.496 unhelpful comment. this will need to 00:45:47.520 --> 00:45:50.376 be assessed in more detail by staff. 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.400 What's the method for that? And were we 00:45:53.520 --> 00:45:56.520 to um pass this through this evening at 00:45:57.200 --> 00:45:58.936 first pass at least, would that be 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.960 available before our next um gateway 00:46:03.200 --> 00:46:05.736 to to assist our deliberations? 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.176 Miss Richards, 00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:08.776 through you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, I'd have 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.696 no problem in getting that data 00:46:10.720 --> 00:46:12.776 information for you. it's just a 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.616 matter of going out having a a good look 00:46:14.640 --> 00:46:16.936 and a measure and understanding what's 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:17.575 needed. 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:18.936 Okay. Is that and I want to make clear 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.376 is that 5,000 figure that council 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.815 Waterhouse has come up with or is that a 00:46:21.839 --> 00:46:22.936 staff figure? 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.936 I believe that's the staff estimation. 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.960 Okay. Okay. 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.216 Quickly sorry I'll stop saying 00:46:30.240 --> 00:46:32.856 quickly. very supportive of this one 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:34.295 but I do remember I thought we did an 00:46:34.319 --> 00:46:36.136 audit of all the cricket nets and their 00:46:36.160 --> 00:46:38.456 safety work as well. So um would you be 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:40.055 able to just provide on notice what's in 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.496 the budget for the cricket nets across 00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:43.815 the the whole QPRC? Not now of course 00:46:43.839 --> 00:46:45.575 but thank you. Miss Richards will take 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.776 that on notice as well and come back to 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.776 us on that. 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:50.295 Is there further discussion on this one? 00:46:50.319 --> 00:46:52.136 Councilors, Council Grundy, 00:46:52.160 --> 00:46:54.295 I'm just not convinced that 5,000 is 00:46:54.319 --> 00:46:56.456 accurate. It just doesn't sound enough 00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.376 to me for what's being proposed. 00:46:58.400 --> 00:46:59.656 You want to propose then? 00:46:59.680 --> 00:47:01.656 Yeah, I think Mr. Ed staff has come up 00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:03.575 with that figure. So, 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:06.599 no, they didn't. 00:47:06.720 --> 00:47:08.295 Council Waterhouse, you can confirm for 00:47:08.319 --> 00:47:09.176 us. 00:47:09.200 --> 00:47:11.496 Thank you. Look, look, this was months 00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:13.575 ago. I don't think I put that much in. 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.256 Seriously. 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:16.776 I I reckon you can do it for a few 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.696 hundred plus staff costs. Like 00:47:18.720 --> 00:47:20.536 seriously, it's only a little bit of 00:47:20.560 --> 00:47:22.696 extra chain mesh and a couple of extra 00:47:22.720 --> 00:47:25.720 pieces of steel poles added to existing 00:47:26.160 --> 00:47:28.616 facilities. It's It's not a big deal. 00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:30.376 It's I don't believe it's anything like 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.400 that. It's a couple of thousand max. 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.656 Okay. Thanks, Bill. C Miss Richards, do 00:47:35.680 --> 00:47:36.456 you have a comment? 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.616 through you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah. it's 00:47:38.640 --> 00:47:41.016 just extending the fence, but we need to 00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:42.696 make sure it's secure. We need to make 00:47:42.720 --> 00:47:44.456 sure we can extend it to that height. 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.095 So, we'll need a bit of review. 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:48.856 Okay. If there's no further on this one, 00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:50.856 we'll put it to the vote. All those in 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.376 favor, 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.216 that is a yes. That one's in the next 00:47:54.240 --> 00:47:55.815 one. Council Waterhouse Mural at 00:47:55.839 --> 00:47:57.815 Braidwood Swimming Pool. 00:47:57.839 --> 00:48:00.776 Thank you. Um, this is in light of the 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.095 mural in Braidwood and that other people 00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.656 have requested that that maybe that's 00:48:05.680 --> 00:48:07.815 something that we could extend. Um, 00:48:07.839 --> 00:48:09.496 there used to be a mural on the wall of 00:48:09.520 --> 00:48:11.815 the old Bradwood swimming pool, , 00:48:11.839 --> 00:48:13.656 which just had its 60th birthday. I'm 00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:16.216 sure you all know. Um, and, , the 00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:18.295 suggestion was made that perhaps it 00:48:18.319 --> 00:48:21.319 could be a a a mural depicting Austral's 00:48:22.640 --> 00:48:25.640 historic past. Um, and I I I discussed 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.936 this with 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.960 the um Southeast News um arts group and 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.456 they suggested a figure of something 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.480 like $35,000 would would would get an 00:48:38.319 --> 00:48:40.055 artist and who would engage the 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.936 community to um contribute to it and 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:44.535 that would be materials and that they 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.016 would assist us in that. 00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:48.216 Thank you, Council Waterhouse. 00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:49.416 Discussion on this one. councilors, 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:50.856 council broadband. 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.416 I just want to say I I won't be 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:54.776 supporting this one, but I do have a 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:56.776 great respect for and and the importance 00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.800 of art. I am open if this one gets up 00:49:00.160 --> 00:49:01.815 in other council support at this time. 00:49:01.839 --> 00:49:03.416 I'm open to bringing it back depending 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:04.696 on where we land with figures at the 00:49:04.720 --> 00:49:06.776 end, but for me it's not a priority in 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.016 context of where where we're heading. 00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:10.776 So thanks. 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:12.535 Thank you, Council Willis. 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.256 Thank you. Um doesn't it does it it's 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.280 public art. does it need to um comply 00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:21.016 with the public art policy? And my other 00:49:21.040 --> 00:49:24.040 question was um kind of the the filter 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:26.776 one of the filters I'm using for this 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:28.936 process is can some can someone else pay 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.176 for it? So can someone else pay for it? 00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:33.815 Like is there an arts grants program 00:49:33.839 --> 00:49:36.055 public arts grants program or through um 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.079 Southern Tablelands Arts? 00:49:39.680 --> 00:49:42.295 Is that Miss Richards? Um I'm not aware 00:49:42.319 --> 00:49:44.055 of any that are out at the moment but 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.936 they do come up from time to time so we 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.960 could wait and for such a grant. 00:49:51.520 --> 00:49:52.856 Okay. Is there any further discussion on 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:54.535 this one councilors? If not we'll put it 00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.335 to the vote. All those in favor 00:49:57.359 --> 00:49:58.696 unfortunately that's a no council 00:49:58.720 --> 00:50:00.936 Waterhouse. The next one is signage for 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.256 Bradwood Museum. 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.656 This was a request from the museum that 00:50:05.680 --> 00:50:07.736 um to put signage out to attract 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.456 visitors to the museum. I take the point 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.535 of the notes that were have been given 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.256 to me that there is discussion about 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.280 signage in a much bigger concept. 00:50:19.040 --> 00:50:21.896 so I'm not precious about it. Um but I 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.136 do know the there's a great deal of 00:50:24.160 --> 00:50:27.160 passion with the um the heritage 00:50:27.839 --> 00:50:30.839 museum, the heritage center, sorry, and 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:33.880 in line with the um with the Brawood 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.295 Chamber of Commerce that are working 00:50:36.319 --> 00:50:39.319 handin glove with each other. Um, so 00:50:39.359 --> 00:50:41.656 that I'm not precious about this, 00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:44.216 especially if there's going to be a a a 00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:46.535 whole, you know, strategic framework of 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.559 of um gateway signage, etc. So, sorry. 00:50:51.520 --> 00:50:52.776 Thank you, council. 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.136 Thank you. 00:50:54.160 --> 00:50:55.416 Further discussion on this one, 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.496 councilors, council Willis, 00:50:57.520 --> 00:50:59.976 I just wanted to ask if the museum has 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.136 developed a promotional strategy. I 00:51:02.160 --> 00:51:04.616 mean, it's a big investment. um it's an 00:51:04.640 --> 00:51:06.456 amazing place now and it's going to get 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.776 going to have more features to it. Does 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.095 it have a and and could staff actually 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:14.119 help the museum folks to develop that 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.696 sort of a strategy? And it would include 00:51:16.720 --> 00:51:18.376 things like you know how to direct 00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:20.776 people to your location and it's not 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.016 obviously that's not always physical 00:51:23.040 --> 00:51:25.256 signage. 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:28.280 I do believe that's underway council. So 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.535 it's all part of a much bigger package 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.016 of try to get it going um under the 00:51:33.040 --> 00:51:36.040 current u stewardship shall we say. 00:51:36.720 --> 00:51:37.896 Okay. Is there further discussion on 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.095 this one? If not we'll put it to the 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.736 vote. All those in favor 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.496 that's a no again council Waterhouse. 00:51:43.520 --> 00:51:45.256 Unfortunately the next one's for you as 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.656 well which is the landscaping and 00:51:47.680 --> 00:51:49.335 accessibility improvements for the 00:51:49.359 --> 00:51:50.696 museum. 00:51:50.720 --> 00:51:52.616 Um I'm I'm in two minds about this 00:51:52.640 --> 00:51:54.776 myself. I'm putting forward this request 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.656 as cuz that was what was given to me. 00:51:57.680 --> 00:52:00.376 Um, this is a project that's underway. 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.095 It's no a long way short of being 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:05.496 completed, but there are access issues 00:52:05.520 --> 00:52:06.776 and that they would there was 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.216 landscaping that they are hoping to 00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:11.240 achieve. Um, as this project progresses, 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.440 um, I'm I'm in the mind that it possibly 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.936 should wait until stage two and stage 00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:21.960 three is underway or or completed. 00:52:23.359 --> 00:52:25.496 um before you decide to landscape the 00:52:25.520 --> 00:52:28.055 whole place. So um I'm not fully 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.376 conversant with what they had in mind. 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.400 Um but I passed the message on. Um 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:35.416 one of the things about this is that is 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:37.496 that there will be an equivalent amount 00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:40.520 of value added to the by the volunteers. 00:52:41.200 --> 00:52:43.176 Okay. Um because they'll be doing a lot 00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:43.976 of the work. 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.656 Thank you, councelor. Councelor Willis. 00:52:45.680 --> 00:52:47.976 thank you. Um, given the staff 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.815 comments, , I'm not keen to support 00:52:49.839 --> 00:52:52.839 this at the moment, but maybe councelor 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:54.456 Waterhouse would like to talk to the 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.256 museum custodians about making a 00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.016 submission. I I I feel I don't have 00:52:59.040 --> 00:53:01.335 enough detail here, particularly if 00:53:01.359 --> 00:53:03.736 there's an accessibility issue. We do we 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.295 have done an accessibility audit and we 00:53:06.319 --> 00:53:08.696 should be funding some of that work um, 00:53:08.720 --> 00:53:10.616 which is a question I have later on um, 00:53:10.640 --> 00:53:12.456 in the budget. So I think if if the 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.176 museum's got time to give us a bit more 00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:17.976 information in time for that meeting 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:19.256 that might help. 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:20.776 Thanks Councelor McDonald. 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.800 Um look thanks council Waterhouse 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:25.656 bring it forward. I think it's you know 00:53:25.680 --> 00:53:28.680 on face value meritorious. Um 00:53:29.200 --> 00:53:32.200 we have um obviously I chair the um 00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:34.936 disability access committee and we 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.960 have recently had a consultant which 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.256 we engaged through through the um 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.280 through council to do a a little bit 00:53:45.040 --> 00:53:48.040 more than just a sort of a broad um 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:49.656 accessibility 00:53:49.680 --> 00:53:52.376 study. and he specifically spent a lot 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.400 of time in in Braidwood including 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.936 our um pedestrian accessibility and our 00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.960 council facility and um community 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.335 facilities in Braidwood. So at this 00:54:05.359 --> 00:54:08.216 point I won't be supporting and note 00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:10.535 um council water house suggest it might 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.456 come at a later point but I'd also like 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.256 to see the work which we have already um 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.055 paid for and and and undertaken through 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.376 our consultant to assist in that 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.496 process. 00:54:21.520 --> 00:54:23.256 Thank you. We'll put this one to a vote 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.280 councils. All those in favor that's a 00:54:26.319 --> 00:54:29.319 no. Next one is councelor Waterhouse 00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:32.136 part-time contracted curator Bradwood 00:54:32.160 --> 00:54:33.496 Museum. 00:54:33.520 --> 00:54:35.896 Thank you. This was given to me by the 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.776 Braidwood Chamber of Commerce. They see 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:41.800 they see the development of the museum 00:54:42.240 --> 00:54:45.095 as being closely and intimately entwined 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.896 with the improvement in the retail and 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:50.535 the commercial development of Braidwood 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.776 and the extension of it. And they're 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.696 very very passionate about supporting 00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:57.720 it. They um asked for um the part-time 00:54:58.240 --> 00:55:01.240 contracted curator to help pay for that. 00:55:01.520 --> 00:55:04.216 Um they sent me a second one which a 00:55:04.240 --> 00:55:07.240 second request which requested for a 00:55:07.839 --> 00:55:09.496 full-time 00:55:09.520 --> 00:55:11.896 curator role. Um but I did not put 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:13.896 that in because I personally felt that 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.920 that was a bridge too far. Um whereas I 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:18.696 could see that this would be quite 00:55:18.720 --> 00:55:21.176 beneficial. As we've said many times in 00:55:21.200 --> 00:55:24.136 the last few months, just because one 00:55:24.160 --> 00:55:26.936 thing gets up does not necessarily set a 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:28.856 precedent because each item is 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.880 considered on its own merits. So um just 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:35.575 because Bradwood got, you know, a 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.416 part-time curator doesn't necessarily 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.016 mean every other museum is going to get 00:55:39.040 --> 00:55:41.736 one because each thing is based on its 00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.055 merits. But the close in intimate 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.856 relationship between this museum and the 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:49.880 and the the peak body of of 00:55:50.640 --> 00:55:52.936 commercial enterprise in Braidwood um is 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.960 is to be encouraged and I'd like to 00:55:56.160 --> 00:55:58.535 see this one get up and if not then I 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.936 would like to see a portion of that sum 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:03.896 be put forward as part of a seeding 00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:05.736 grant. We've already put a considerable 00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.496 amount of money into developing this 00:56:07.520 --> 00:56:10.136 facility um because we see its benefits 00:56:10.160 --> 00:56:13.160 and this council knows very well that 00:56:13.200 --> 00:56:16.055 it's a it's a it's a good option. Um, so 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.079 I'd be hoping that even if you can't see 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.119 your say your way clear to give um but 00:56:22.799 --> 00:56:25.736 $100,000 maybe a a smaller sum would be 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.055 very very beneficial and the other 00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.856 granting the other rest of the funding 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.176 might be able to be found in other 00:56:33.200 --> 00:56:34.216 grants. 00:56:34.240 --> 00:56:35.496 Thanks Council Waterhouse. Councelor 00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:36.856 McDonald. 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.736 thanks Mayor. Um look I won't be 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.760 supporting this at this juncture and um 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.960 for a couple of reasons. um principally 00:56:46.640 --> 00:56:48.376 one that my colleague councelor 00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.400 Livermore um mentions just now and 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.760 that is um this may 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:56.456 um 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.696 be built with an expectation of 00:56:58.720 --> 00:57:01.575 continuity of funding um and and I think 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:04.136 that is a very reasonable and and real 00:57:04.160 --> 00:57:07.095 likelihood um this is one thou 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.055 $100,000 or however much it is I think 00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:13.079 what we do today will impact the future 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.535 budget s um notwithstanding the the 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.136 non-precedented nature I think there's 00:57:18.160 --> 00:57:20.136 an expectation which we have to have to 00:57:20.160 --> 00:57:23.160 consider happy to have and I I met with 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.815 um members of the BAV the Bradwood 00:57:25.839 --> 00:57:28.839 villages business chamber today 00:57:29.200 --> 00:57:32.200 and and and at the weekend um it 00:57:32.240 --> 00:57:33.815 wasn't one which I was which was 00:57:33.839 --> 00:57:36.775 mentioned but um if through you may 00:57:36.799 --> 00:57:39.575 council wouse might encourage Nick or 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.216 or whomever else to um to produce one of 00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:44.376 their bangup letters which they often 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.295 and get it to us. It might provide a 00:57:46.319 --> 00:57:49.319 bit more of their rationale. U again we 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.976 could always input this later if they 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:53.815 had such a compelling case at a later 00:57:53.839 --> 00:57:55.176 point in this budget. 00:57:55.200 --> 00:57:56.535 Thank you. Is there further councelor 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:57.335 Willis? 00:57:57.359 --> 00:57:59.335 thank you. I won't support this 00:57:59.359 --> 00:58:01.736 mainly because it's basically asking us 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.456 for an operational cost which I assume 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.456 would then be wanted on an ongoing 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:08.535 basis. I think it's better for council 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:11.496 to support discrete projects that have a 00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:13.976 clear end life. And I do think um 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:15.335 notwithstanding what councelor 00:58:15.359 --> 00:58:17.095 Waterhouse said, it would create 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.176 expectations in other communities. I 00:58:19.200 --> 00:58:20.696 know there's discussions underway in 00:58:20.720 --> 00:58:22.295 Captain's Flat about having a little 00:58:22.319 --> 00:58:24.696 museum and the Queenia Museum here runs 00:58:24.720 --> 00:58:27.720 on volunteers. Um what I was going to 00:58:27.839 --> 00:58:30.535 suggest is whe um to councelor 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.416 Waterhouse, have the museum talk to 00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:35.256 council staff about how they might be 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.136 able to assist with a fundraising 00:58:38.160 --> 00:58:40.136 proposal. I think there's a lot of 00:58:40.160 --> 00:58:43.160 potential for um fun people 00:58:44.160 --> 00:58:47.160 outside of Braidwood who support 00:58:47.200 --> 00:58:50.200 heritage. Um it's a statel listed 00:58:51.200 --> 00:58:53.736 place and a lot of people um we know 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.575 with the albian sheds issue, we know a 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:57.815 lot of people who used to live there 00:58:57.839 --> 00:59:00.535 have a great affection for it. So I I 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.559 just think that perhaps the the museum 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.136 needs to work out how to do more 00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:09.016 fundraising so that it can actually fund 00:59:09.040 --> 00:59:11.656 its operational ongoing costs. That's 00:59:11.680 --> 00:59:13.176 my my view. 00:59:13.200 --> 00:59:16.055 Thank you. If anything further council 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:16.535 Wilson 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.416 quick question what is and we 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.440 understand they already have FRR 00:59:22.640 --> 00:59:25.575 funding for part-time role 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:27.335 through Mr. Mayor. I understood the 00:59:27.359 --> 00:59:29.575 Braidwood Heritage Museum had received 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:31.575 funding for a part-time role. FT tripr 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.599 is foundation for regional and renewal 00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:37.736 something or other. So it's a grant for 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.815 a part-time role. I would want to check 00:59:39.839 --> 00:59:41.976 with the heritage museum and it's in if 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:43.496 the chamber has requested this. I'm just 00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:45.176 wondering are they aware of that or I 00:59:45.200 --> 00:59:47.095 was going to ask council Waterhouse did 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:48.696 this request come from in fact the 00:59:48.720 --> 00:59:51.256 museum because I thought they had a role 00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:53.575 part-time role funded. 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:56.055 It has been funded but that expires. So 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:57.416 they're they're looking at trying to get 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.440 getting it going to to get so that that 01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:03.176 by the time it by the time the funding 01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:04.936 runs out it's it's an a running 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.656 operation that is then selfunding. So 01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:10.295 that's a speeding 01:00:10.319 --> 01:00:11.496 idea. 01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:13.896 Yeah. I'll just put on the record 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:15.736 Mayor that I won't be voting for this 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:17.416 one and but I do want to thank councelor 01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:18.856 Waterhouse for bringing this forward. He 01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:20.055 is just bringing forward what the 01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.295 community has said and he's what it one 01:00:22.319 --> 01:00:24.856 from four or something. So um but I I 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:26.696 actually think Braidwood is on the 01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:28.376 global map to be frank. We all heard 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.456 about the huge wedding that was at 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.775 not far out of the Palarang area if you 01:00:32.799 --> 01:00:35.416 like. Um but my point is it is a bit 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:36.616 of a jewel in the crown. We do have to 01:00:36.640 --> 01:00:38.456 look after it. This is a great project. 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:40.295 We have support in the past but I think 01:00:40.319 --> 01:00:42.055 we just need a bit more work before we 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:42.856 forward some projects. 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.535 Thank you Council McDonald. I'm just 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.559 going to ask you just 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:49.896 it's it's difficult for me and councelor 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.775 Swer to hear at the best of times. Um, 01:00:52.799 --> 01:00:54.136 I'm going to put this one for vote. All 01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:57.095 those in favor, that's a no. The next 01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:58.775 one is Councelor Wilson, Music by the 01:00:58.799 --> 01:01:00.136 River, two nights. 01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:03.095 , talking of, , great things, , 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:04.856 this is probably the biggest bang I 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.095 think we do in the town. , but I I I 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.176 threw this one up, , to get a costing 01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:11.256 and end up with a bid. So, there you go. 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:14.136 , 60K does seem like a lot, and I've, 01:01:14.160 --> 01:01:15.976 , found out that the the lighting and 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:17.256 sound is obviously the higher is the 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:19.736 main the main expense. So, I'm happy to 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.496 withdraw this one. Actually, I won't be 01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:22.936 I won't be pushing it forward. But I 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:24.616 think it was a worthwhile exercise to 01:01:24.640 --> 01:01:26.456 think about and perhaps as we come 01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:28.376 around to it next budget if there's 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:29.736 extra grants or something to put on for 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.416 two nights because it is so popular for 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:33.016 one night. But um they'll leave it for 01:01:33.040 --> 01:01:34.055 that for now. Thanks. 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.896 Okay. So, that one's withdrawn, but we 01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:37.416 will note they do a full rehearsal the 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:38.616 night before. So, if you miss out on 01:01:38.640 --> 01:01:39.976 tickets for the first night, go the 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.696 night before. 22. Councelor Wilson 01:01:42.720 --> 01:01:45.256 QE2 Park Baby Change Table. 01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.016 Yes. also came from someone that gave me 01:01:47.040 --> 01:01:48.856 feedback from the community re the music 01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:50.216 by the river had kids with them and 01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:52.216 couldn't get a change table for love 01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:54.136 my money with hundreds of people around. 01:01:54.160 --> 01:01:57.095 So um I think this a very small cost and 01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.119 would be a benefit to um the accessible 01:02:00.720 --> 01:02:02.055 toilet but thank you. 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:03.335 Thank you. Is there discussion on this 01:02:03.359 --> 01:02:05.575 one council Livermore? 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.496 I will support this but also maybe 01:02:07.520 --> 01:02:09.976 there's some consideration of upgrading 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.535 the the toilets that are already down 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.936 there. Like I when we went there for the 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:16.616 um for the above event, Music by the 01:02:16.640 --> 01:02:18.295 River, the toilets were 01:02:18.319 --> 01:02:19.016 they're gross. 01:02:19.040 --> 01:02:20.136 They're gross, 01:02:20.160 --> 01:02:21.815 but also there's not many. So, and it's 01:02:21.839 --> 01:02:23.335 a it's a main thorough fair. There's so 01:02:23.359 --> 01:02:24.696 many people that walk through there, but 01:02:24.720 --> 01:02:25.976 I'm throwing out a bit of a budget 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:27.575 consideration, but maybe that's 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.095 something we can consider also. 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:30.456 Yeah, I'm sure staff will take that or 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:31.496 not. So, we'll put this one to a vote. 01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:33.496 Council is all in favor. That's a yes 01:02:33.520 --> 01:02:36.456 for that one. 23. Councelor Wilson, 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.480 donations policy. 01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:42.216 Thank you, Mayor. I've, as you know, 01:02:42.240 --> 01:02:43.815 we've got a proud record of supporting 01:02:43.839 --> 01:02:46.456 community donations and supporting 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:48.216 the community through the budget 01:02:48.240 --> 01:02:50.535 process. Um and I think that we've 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:52.456 parked it. We've been at 32 for quite a 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.095 while. we've put rates up as we all 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:56.775 know quite a lot. and the community 01:02:56.799 --> 01:02:58.616 has supported us in that endeavor and we 01:02:58.640 --> 01:02:59.976 haven't actually reflected a greater 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:01.976 donations policy. Now, you could argue 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:03.896 during the SRV that wasn't appropriate, 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:06.136 but we are through that process now. 01:03:06.160 --> 01:03:07.976 we are going to be running a large 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:09.815 deficit. We've already approved some 01:03:09.839 --> 01:03:12.055 other bigger spends and I think we get 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.079 enormous value out of that,2,000 01:03:15.359 --> 01:03:17.976 $2,500 for the in the community and it 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.535 buys us a lot of goodwill to be frank 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.015 in the partnership together. So um hence 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.856 I've come up with the the additional 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:25.575 funds. 01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:27.976 Thank you councelor Broadbin. 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.456 can I just get through you Mr. Mayor 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.376 a current figure of how much has been 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.696 spent in this year out of that previous 01:03:34.720 --> 01:03:37.256 32K for this financial year? Are we 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:38.696 going to spend it all? 01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:39.656 that Miss Richards 01:03:39.680 --> 01:03:41.656 through Miss May the donations for 01:03:41.680 --> 01:03:44.055 categories A and B are done in one hit. 01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.055 So yes, it's fully expended. 01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:47.815 Oh, sorry, just clarify. Have did we 01:03:47.839 --> 01:03:49.815 spend it all last year? 01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:52.295 Yes, it it's always oversubscribed. So 01:03:52.319 --> 01:03:54.295 we almost always Well, we always spend 01:03:54.319 --> 01:03:55.335 it all. 01:03:55.359 --> 01:03:57.335 Okay, thanks. That's just a question. 01:03:57.359 --> 01:03:59.335 Yep. Councelor Grundy, 01:03:59.359 --> 01:04:02.359 question if I may, Mr. Mayor. is 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:05.256 there any um precedence where we 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:07.815 increase these sorts of um allowances in 01:04:07.839 --> 01:04:10.535 our budget by over 50%. Because this is 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:12.535 what this represents. 01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:15.416 Um Miss Richards, is that one for you? 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:16.775 Do you remember last time we actually 01:04:16.799 --> 01:04:19.799 increased the 32K amount? 01:04:20.160 --> 01:04:23.160 through you, Mr. Smith, I think it 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.280 was the year before last. Um, sorry, I'd 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.535 have to talk to my finance colleagues, 01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.496 but I know that we sometimes had have an 01:04:31.520 --> 01:04:34.055 ad hoc addition. For example, last year 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.976 the Jerobomber Peace School got an 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.376 additional amount on top of the 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.095 subscribed amount, but I think it was 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.416 increased increased this year. 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:45.095 Oh, Kate is telling me it was increased 01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:47.976 this year. 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.456 Okay. All right. 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:50.775 Yeah, 01:04:50.799 --> 01:04:52.376 we still got a bill. So, so council 01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:55.400 water house has has is likely to come in 01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:58.760 and out. He is actually caring for um 01:04:59.359 --> 01:05:01.256 his wife at the moment. I got a question 01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:02.856 just and you touched on it, Miss 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.176 Richards. The grants are always fully 01:05:05.200 --> 01:05:07.335 subscribed and we're saying no to people 01:05:07.359 --> 01:05:10.359 every year. If we did increase it, 01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:13.976 we'd have the opportunity to say yes to 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.575 to more of these people who are putting 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.736 in their request 01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:19.736 through you, Mr. Mayor. based on what we 01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:22.216 currently the requests we currently 01:05:22.240 --> 01:05:24.856 get we would be able to say yes. 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.095 Okay. Just one additional comment before 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.256 the vote. Mayor you might remember we 01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:30.856 often give less than what people asked 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:32.696 as well. So not only do we say no for 01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:34.775 the v the jera carols they asked for 01:05:34.799 --> 01:05:37.095 five we give them two and a half. Um so 01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:38.856 actually yeah anyway there you go. Thank 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:39.736 you. 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:41.095 Is there any further on this one? 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:42.136 Councelor McDonald, 01:05:42.160 --> 01:05:45.160 can I suggest um 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:48.055 thinking more broadly, but this this 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.535 sparks the um the interest in it. 01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.936 when we do have allocations, annual 01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:55.095 allocations in this, we ought be 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.095 thinking about the actual delivery costs 01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.119 and our best guess typically is CPI at 01:06:00.160 --> 01:06:03.160 three a piece. Um so um perhaps that's 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:05.656 something staff could take on board you 01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:08.136 know within the ordinary manner of 01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:11.160 business including in in this um the 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.055 applicability of 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.376 ordinary increases in line with CPI or 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.616 some other kind of figure which you 01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:19.736 might arrive at. 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.760 Okay. Thank you councelor Willis. 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:25.656 Um so the donations policy is on 01:06:25.680 --> 01:06:28.680 exhibition. If we make this change, , 01:06:29.839 --> 01:06:32.839 do we need to reexhibit it or 01:06:34.160 --> 01:06:35.815 general manager? 01:06:35.839 --> 01:06:37.575 , three, Mr. Mayor, when this policy 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:39.496 comes back, it'll note that the increase 01:06:39.520 --> 01:06:41.095 that the councilors have requested into 01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:44.119 the draft operational plan, it whilst 01:06:44.160 --> 01:06:45.896 being adopted then it would still be 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.216 subject to the adoption of the council 01:06:48.240 --> 01:06:51.240 budget and on the 24th of June. 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.575 So, further on this one, councilors, we 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.535 put it to a vote. All in favor? 01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.256 That's a yes. The next one is councelor 01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.280 Schwikett. Frogs Hollow plan completion 01:07:02.319 --> 01:07:03.575 with toilet block. 01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:05.176 Yeah, sorry. I I'll withdraw this. I 01:07:05.200 --> 01:07:06.775 should have had a comma behind frogs 01:07:06.799 --> 01:07:08.216 hollow plan completion, comma, with 01:07:08.240 --> 01:07:09.736 toilet block. So, I'll withdraw that. 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:11.176 It's covered in 24A later in the 01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:12.936 document. 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:14.295 So, we don't need to discuss this one 01:07:14.319 --> 01:07:16.856 further. Okay. Next one is street 01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:18.936 furniture for Ellen Street. 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:20.456 Thank you. This is a recommendation from 01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:21.896 the Bangodore Town Center Environment 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:23.575 Committee. At the moment, Ellen Street 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:26.376 has has three different sorts of of 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:28.696 street furniture in it. Um, so the idea 01:07:28.720 --> 01:07:30.535 is to try and standardize and 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:32.295 essentially enact the Bangador structure 01:07:32.319 --> 01:07:34.535 or place and use Ellen Street as a 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:35.736 connector from Melbourne Street, which 01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:37.736 is King's Highway, , onto Gibraltar 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:38.936 Street, which is actually the main 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:41.095 street of Bangodor. So, I think $200,000 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:42.535 is probably a lot. And what we actually 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:44.775 intend to do is also the furniture that 01:07:44.799 --> 01:07:45.896 we take out of here would actually be 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:47.496 put into Frogs Hollow to save money on 01:07:47.520 --> 01:07:50.520 that particular plan , as well. So um 01:07:50.640 --> 01:07:52.936 in June you will actually receive a 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.456 project report from the Bangodor Towns 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:56.616 and Environment Committee based on 01:07:56.640 --> 01:07:58.456 staff recommendations on the types of 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.055 street furniture to put in Ellen Street 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:01.496 to vote on. 01:08:01.520 --> 01:08:03.575 Right. So is that 200,000 has that come 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:05.656 from the committee? 01:08:05.680 --> 01:08:08.055 No, it has not. 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.079 Can that be like you just said in your 01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:14.200 comments that's a lot and based on your 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.775 discussions with you know the the 01:08:16.799 --> 01:08:19.735 environs center and environs committee. 01:08:19.759 --> 01:08:21.976 Um is there something which could sort 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:24.856 of refine that southwards? 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:27.016 Um we yet to discuss the actual street 01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:28.295 furniture that's been considered. So 01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:29.815 once we actually have that presented by 01:08:29.839 --> 01:08:31.175 council staff we can say that one that 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.896 one that one will have a cost. So sorry 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.920 just um I want to labor this point. 01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:40.295 So we do our final on the 24th of June 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:42.616 and you I think mentioned council 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:44.376 striker that you were going to discuss 01:08:44.400 --> 01:08:45.576 this in June or you're going to have a 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:46.936 report in June. Would you have that 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:48.536 report back by that point? 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:50.056 The report should be in the minutes of 01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:52.376 the bangod committee which will probably 01:08:52.400 --> 01:08:53.976 come back either end of May or early 01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:54.775 June. 01:08:54.799 --> 01:08:57.255 Okay. So that's a yes I guess. Yeah. 01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.576 Cool. Gotcha. Thanks. 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:01.496 Is there further discussion on this one? 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:04.056 Councilors, are we happy to leave it as 01:09:04.080 --> 01:09:07.080 200,000 for for now? 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:09.896 Can we add not to exceed something like 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:11.655 that? 01:09:11.679 --> 01:09:13.496 Say, say that again. 01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.735 Can we add not to exceed $200,000? How's 01:09:15.759 --> 01:09:16.616 that sound? 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:17.815 Okay, council Wilson. 01:09:17.839 --> 01:09:19.655 So, can I just check bit bit like your 01:09:19.679 --> 01:09:21.496 question about the showground? Is this 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:23.255 is this what environments committee 01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:25.175 want? It's 200k in the budget. This is 01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.416 it. They want to spend it on in Bangor 01:09:27.440 --> 01:09:27.655 or 01:09:27.679 --> 01:09:29.735 No. Councelor Swer can explain. 01:09:29.759 --> 01:09:31.735 Sorry. 01:09:31.759 --> 01:09:33.175 So, we actually don't know what the cost 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:34.215 is yet because we haven't actually had 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:35.496 the workshop to actually come up with 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:37.175 the actual plan for that. That's why 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.175 saying the the figure itself's been 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:42.199 provided by staff, not by us. 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:45.896 I'm probably going to ask for some 01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:47.175 advice on a way forward then because 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:48.695 there I'm not comfortable including 01:09:48.719 --> 01:09:50.936 200,000 when we know it's not going to 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:52.695 include that much or I would feel bad if 01:09:52.719 --> 01:09:55.256 we just say no entirely. I'm not don't 01:09:55.280 --> 01:09:56.856 particularly want to say no to the 01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.056 project. I think it probably has some 01:09:58.080 --> 01:09:59.736 merit but I don't actually know what 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:01.096 figure we should be including there or 01:10:01.120 --> 01:10:03.096 or a way forward. Do you have a 01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:04.856 suggestion council McDonald? Do we have 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:06.536 to, this is a technical question, do we 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.296 have to at this juncture have a dollar 01:10:08.320 --> 01:10:11.320 figure ascribed? Because if we left it, 01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:15.960 you know, as mum and then got the report 01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:19.080 that councelor Schwik has um forecast, 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:22.456 which will arrive pre our final 01:10:22.480 --> 01:10:24.456 determination, then that basically is 01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:27.256 going to give us, you know, a real good 01:10:27.280 --> 01:10:29.256 I I like the idea. I don't like the 01:10:29.280 --> 01:10:32.280 number. Can we just put it as a blank is 01:10:32.400 --> 01:10:34.856 my question. 01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:36.296 through. Mr. Mayor, you can't leave it 01:10:36.320 --> 01:10:37.736 as a blank because we need to have a 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:39.416 figure. You can either leave it and 01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:41.576 consider it when the town's environments 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.496 committee have done their budgeting. I 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.576 frankly think $200,000 is a lot for 01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.816 street furniture between that block of 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.456 Ellen Street. But anyway, it might be 01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:53.480 nice street furniture. 01:10:55.440 --> 01:10:57.416 Yeah. But when we say how fast we're 01:10:57.440 --> 01:10:59.655 talking 100,000, we're talking 20,000. 01:10:59.679 --> 01:10:59.976 Mike, 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.000 could could I change that to 120,000? 01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:05.496 120. 01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:07.976 That's it. 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:09.976 All right. Well, I'm just I'm just going 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:11.736 to say this counts as the the way I'm 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:13.016 thinking I'm I'm actually going to vote 01:11:13.040 --> 01:11:14.215 against this. I look forward to the 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.135 report coming in June. And if it is a 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:18.056 much smaller amount, we do have the 01:11:18.080 --> 01:11:20.215 ability to add it back in in June once 01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:22.135 we know the actual figure cuz it might 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:23.816 be far less than what we're talking 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:26.456 about right now. Um, further discussion 01:11:26.480 --> 01:11:27.816 on it. Councelor Willis, 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.135 I know there's some concern in Bumor and 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:32.616 has been for some months that people 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:35.640 feel that the the center of the the town 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.760 is neglected um by council. I'm not sure 01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:40.856 I entirely agree, but anyway, there's a 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.175 sentiment and there the town center is 01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.816 struggling to get um people and they're 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:48.776 losing businesses. So, , I also think 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.800 $200,000 is a lot and even 120, but I'm 01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:54.536 inclined to support it understanding 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:56.296 that we will have an opportunity before 01:11:56.320 --> 01:11:59.320 the 24th of June to firm up the number. 01:11:59.440 --> 01:12:01.496 And I I think it's important that the 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:04.520 council supports some um town center 01:12:05.040 --> 01:12:07.256 beautifification. And this is an amenity 01:12:07.280 --> 01:12:10.280 um with um bench seating um to to 01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:15.239 help with um the town feeling that um 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.736 feeling a bit more confident about our 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:18.856 support for it. 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:21.175 Okay. Is there further on this one? Put 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:23.816 it to a vote at 120,000. All those in 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.840 favor? 01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:31.016 Yeah, that's enough. That's in. 01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:33.816 The next one is 26. Councelor Schwit 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:35.736 fish restock of Elmsy ponds. 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:37.576 Yeah, Elms ponds was we stocked with 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.655 fish some time ago. Um since then the 01:12:39.679 --> 01:12:41.336 kids have fished it out. The pelicans 01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:43.416 and the cormans have fished it out. So 01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:45.016 um the idea is to try and just bring 01:12:45.040 --> 01:12:46.536 bring that fish stock back. It's been a 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:49.256 great source of of youth activity for 01:12:49.280 --> 01:12:50.936 for kids on after school and on 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.496 weekends. Um, I would only ask that if 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.655 we do get this film does get up that we 01:12:55.679 --> 01:12:57.576 do put the fish sanctuaries in which 01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:59.256 is essentially a big bit of PVC pipe 01:12:59.280 --> 01:13:01.496 with a a weight in it so the fish can 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.016 hide from the corns and the pelicans 01:13:03.040 --> 01:13:04.456 when they come round. That's what we've 01:13:04.480 --> 01:13:05.736 done in the past. If we don't do that 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:08.296 then this would be waste of money. 01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:09.175 Council McDonald, 01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:10.616 I've only got one question. Is where you 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.256 going to get a,000 fingerlings for 01:13:13.280 --> 01:13:15.576 for 1,500 bucks? Because I I get 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:16.776 absolutely slammed for them. I'll have 01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:19.496 to take that offline. Thanks CH. 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:20.536 Thank you. Is there 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:22.135 I should say the figure was provided by 01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.695 staff, not not me. 01:13:24.719 --> 01:13:25.896 Is there further on this one? 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:27.655 Councilors, we'll put a vote. All in 01:13:27.679 --> 01:13:30.679 favor? That's a yes. The next one is 01:13:31.280 --> 01:13:33.256 councelor Swaget road and car park seal 01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:34.456 for Bangador Sports Hub. 01:13:34.480 --> 01:13:36.056 Yeah, sorry about this one. Um, it was 01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:37.576 on a big long list that I've been saving 01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:38.776 for quite some time since it's been 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:41.496 overtaken by events. So, I withdraw it. 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:43.816 Okay, that's withdrawn. The Canister 01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:46.840 Swak Bangador menshed completion. 01:13:47.120 --> 01:13:48.536 yeah, I was under the impression that we 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:49.496 were going to put some money towards 01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.496 this but um given the comments I'll I'll 01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:52.936 withdraw at this stage and wait for the 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:54.215 mou. 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:56.056 Thank you. It's withdrawn council will 01:13:56.080 --> 01:13:57.976 so we don't need to discuss it further. 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.000 Well I have a question if I could 01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:04.199 about this project or no project. the 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:07.175 the menshed were moved out of their um 01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:10.199 space um when the government um 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.880 wanted to to take over the land 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.776 for the high school and I mean where are 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.800 they operating and how long can we get 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:22.920 staff to let us know how long will it be 01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:25.416 before they get a permanent home? 01:14:25.440 --> 01:14:27.096 We can we'll take that on notice and we 01:14:27.120 --> 01:14:29.976 move on councilors to 29 council sw the 01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:32.936 town entrance beautifification. 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:34.296 Yes, thank you, Mr. May. I thought there 01:14:34.320 --> 01:14:35.896 was a price attached to this, but when 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.256 we did the roundabout in the new 01:14:37.280 --> 01:14:38.616 roundabout in Bangador and Melbourne 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.536 Street, um, Transport of New South Wales 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.936 actually had promised us through um, , 01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:44.536 Mr. Hansen that they would actually do, 01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:46.456 so give us a be beautifification budget 01:14:46.480 --> 01:14:48.135 for that because the first thing we 01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:49.175 didn't want people to see when they come 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.896 to Bangador is a big cement dome. Um, so 01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:53.416 we don't have a figure against it, but I 01:14:53.440 --> 01:14:55.256 take the the notes the notes there that 01:14:55.280 --> 01:14:57.736 80,000 KU is in the budget for that. So 01:14:57.760 --> 01:14:58.936 we can look at that and look for a grant 01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:00.695 at the same time. So I'll withdraw it at 01:15:00.719 --> 01:15:03.175 this stage. Thank you. Okay. So, we'll 01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:05.655 withdraw 29 01:15:05.679 --> 01:15:07.976 and the next one is 30. The Bangador 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:09.816 Aquatics Center. So, we're on to the 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:12.695 ones that have been put forward by 01:15:12.719 --> 01:15:14.296 Actually, to be fair to councelor 01:15:14.320 --> 01:15:15.655 Grundy, do you want to do yours before 01:15:15.679 --> 01:15:17.016 we do the 01:15:17.040 --> 01:15:20.040 Yeah. Yeah. 01:15:20.320 --> 01:15:21.816 No. Well, we're doing we've done all the 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:24.776 ones all the council law requests. So, 01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:26.376 we'll do these ones and then we'll get 01:15:26.400 --> 01:15:27.816 to the request from the community 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:28.776 members. 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:30.376 Can you call it 1 A so we know the 01:15:30.400 --> 01:15:31.496 number? Thank you. 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.376 46 1. This will be 1 A yet because we've 01:15:34.400 --> 01:15:36.135 already done with one. So 1 A. 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.135 councelor Grundy virtual fencing. 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:39.816 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. look, there 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:41.736 seems to be some confusion. Um is it 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.976 correct that this currently is not in 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.215 the budget what I'm proposing or is it 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:47.096 in the budget? 01:15:47.120 --> 01:15:48.536 I think cuz they're coming late, we 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:50.536 don't have the comments from staff ne 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.695 next to them like the other ones. But is 01:15:52.719 --> 01:15:54.695 there a staff member that's able to 01:15:54.719 --> 01:15:57.655 speak to that one 01:15:57.679 --> 01:15:59.256 for you, Mr. Mayor? I don't think it's 01:15:59.280 --> 01:16:00.695 in the budget. We've got the initial 01:16:00.719 --> 01:16:02.856 program which is about to be installed 01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:04.776 which was to be done as a trial before 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:06.215 council decided what they were doing 01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:09.239 next. But I I do not think that sheish 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.056 or the CFO might be let me. It's not in 01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:13.336 is it for the next year. 01:16:13.360 --> 01:16:16.360 But but sorry um GM um sorry I I can't 01:16:18.320 --> 01:16:20.215 remember the rules of the of this debate 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:21.736 as to whether you go through 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:23.256 if councelor Gundy wants to speak 01:16:23.280 --> 01:16:24.856 further. I think she should. She's happy 01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:25.175 to 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:28.199 but but may I not if you look um 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:32.296 I don't think it was entirely recognized 01:16:32.320 --> 01:16:34.135 and certainly until I attended a 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.376 community meeting real recently that 01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:39.400 the um a trial was even in effect but 01:16:41.120 --> 01:16:43.336 now I hear you know as of a week ago 01:16:43.360 --> 01:16:45.175 that it is and and we are going to be 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:46.856 putting this trial. Can you just expand 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.880 on on on that? through m council 01:16:50.480 --> 01:16:52.776 allocated $20,000 in its budget this 01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:55.800 financial year to install a certain 01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:58.776 section along max road or bang correct 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:01.800 whatever it is max road for the virtual 01:17:02.080 --> 01:17:03.576 fencing 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:05.736 it's about the it's being procured and 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:07.736 to be installed and then there's 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:09.976 there'll be measures um I thought we 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:11.336 wrote about it in the council catch but 01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:13.096 anyway it'll be installed and then we'll 01:17:13.120 --> 01:17:14.616 then have some figures about what the 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.695 effectiveness of it was which I thought 01:17:16.719 --> 01:17:18.215 was the original plan of council 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:20.056 yeah That's great. Thanks, Jim. It just 01:17:20.080 --> 01:17:22.536 confirms um that information publicly. 01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:25.560 Um and thank you for your um tolerance, 01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:27.256 Grundy. 01:17:27.280 --> 01:17:30.215 Um my pleasure. Um my concern is look, 01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:33.096 it it the my logical brain says, well, 01:17:33.120 --> 01:17:34.456 we should be waiting until we see the 01:17:34.480 --> 01:17:36.936 outcomes of the pilot program. However, 01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.960 the this project or potential project 01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.239 goes back to a resolution back in 2024. 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.376 and we're, you know, we're now well 01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:49.400 into 2026. So my concern is if we 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:52.936 don't have something in the budget, we 01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:55.336 could well and I expect we will have 01:17:55.360 --> 01:17:58.056 quite significantly positive outcomes 01:17:58.080 --> 01:18:01.016 from the pilot because that's um what 01:18:01.040 --> 01:18:03.976 has gone on down at um Yurabadella. Um 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:05.976 they've had sensational results from 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.376 their implication implementation of 01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:11.400 their programs plural. So, I'm I'm 01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:14.296 inclined to withdraw, but I I won't 01:18:14.320 --> 01:18:15.976 because I do think this is worth putting 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:18.296 up and having us having some funding 01:18:18.320 --> 01:18:20.376 there for us to go to. 01:18:20.400 --> 01:18:21.736 Okay. C McDonald. 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:23.976 And can I ask a secondary question? It 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.000 goes to and I I'm I'm attracted by the 01:18:27.040 --> 01:18:30.040 one for one with grant funding. if um we 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:33.256 for argument's sake allocated this 01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:36.280 funding um and then um rattled around 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.600 for a grant and we were not successful 01:18:41.440 --> 01:18:44.376 is it contingent on that i.e. Would we 01:18:44.400 --> 01:18:47.400 forego the expenditure of 60K 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.296 if we were not successful for a 01:18:50.320 --> 01:18:51.896 grant? 01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:53.576 And that's probably not a question to 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.336 council granty. That's probably maybe 01:18:55.360 --> 01:18:58.360 it's a hybrid. 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:00.536 Staff can attempt to address because 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:01.976 yeah, I would want to make clear are we 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:04.135 are we including 60 or only putting 30 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:06.135 because we think we're going to get 30 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.159 from someone from somewhere else. 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.215 Yeah. 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:13.736 Yeah. Council Waterhouse. 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:15.416 Thank you. I'm sure you all realize I'm 01:19:15.440 --> 01:19:18.440 very passionate about this idea. Um I 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.096 think it it's it's a good idea. Um but 01:19:21.120 --> 01:19:23.976 my reading of it is if if we get a 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.000 grant, we'll match it up to $60,000. 01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:30.215 Um, but I do believe same as 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:32.296 councelor Grundy said is that there will 01:19:32.320 --> 01:19:34.776 be positive outcomes from the trial and 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.800 it's it's it's sensible of us to have 01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.856 money sitting available 01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:43.416 rather than in 6 months time 01:19:43.440 --> 01:19:46.440 scurrying around trying to find some. Um 01:19:46.480 --> 01:19:48.695 and it will also encourage our our 01:19:48.719 --> 01:19:50.776 grants officer to to start having a look 01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:52.936 for appropriate um grant sources for 01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:54.936 this particular matter. 01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:56.376 Thanks councel. I think we need to be 01:19:56.400 --> 01:19:57.576 much clearer that if we're going ahead 01:19:57.600 --> 01:19:59.096 with it, I think say we're budgeting 01:19:59.120 --> 01:20:01.416 60,000 and if grants come up, we can 01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:04.440 tell other levels of government to match 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:06.776 what we are definitely doing cuz 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:08.056 otherwise it sounds like it's all 01:20:08.080 --> 01:20:09.496 contingent on getting other money and we 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:11.416 might not do it at all. I think that's 01:20:11.440 --> 01:20:13.896 what councelor Grundy would prefer. All 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:15.655 right, other discussion as well. 01:20:15.679 --> 01:20:17.256 Councelor Wilson. 01:20:17.280 --> 01:20:20.280 Yeah. Um although definitely support the 01:20:20.719 --> 01:20:22.856 sentiment of less vehicle accidents. 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:25.336 I won't disappoint the as is cuz I just 01:20:25.360 --> 01:20:26.936 want to wait for the report to come back 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.816 and then we'll action from there but yes 01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:32.840 2 years must be far away. Further 01:20:33.120 --> 01:20:34.856 discussion on this one councilors we'll 01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.496 vote on it. All those in favor 01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.520 that is a yes that's a yes the next one. 01:20:41.280 --> 01:20:43.096 So I know we've reached 7:30 councilors 01:20:43.120 --> 01:20:44.376 I want to get through all the councelor 01:20:44.400 --> 01:20:46.135 bids before we break for 10 minutes and 01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:47.655 then we'll come back and keep going. So 01:20:47.679 --> 01:20:50.616 councelor Grundy 2A footpath on one side 01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:53.016 of mccusa street. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:20:53.040 --> 01:20:55.016 Um, I'll be quick with this one. Um, 01:20:55.040 --> 01:20:58.040 I've I understand that this has not been 01:20:58.719 --> 01:21:00.776 earmarked to be completed. , could 01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:02.856 we have some clarity because if it has 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:05.256 been um I've been asking for this for 01:21:05.280 --> 01:21:08.135 probably 3 years. Um, and I'll remind 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:09.976 everyone that we're we've got a high 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:13.000 school um in the vicinity where this 01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:15.816 particular route for students will be 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:17.816 very important. Currently, they have no 01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:19.416 no footpath. They're walking on the 01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:20.616 roads. 01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:22.776 Right. So, the staff actually have the 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:25.016 the footpaths that are down to be funded 01:21:25.040 --> 01:21:28.040 next financial year listed somewhere. 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:30.936 We do. 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:32.215 Is that Mr. Kendall? 01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:33.896 Yeah. 01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.456 through you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, I have a 01:21:36.480 --> 01:21:39.480 list of the um priority works for Bangor 01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.976 for foot paths which I could 01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:44.376 circulate. Um 01:21:44.400 --> 01:21:46.536 it' be really helpful to know if the two 01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:47.896 that we're about one that we're talking 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:49.336 about and the next one if if they're 01:21:49.360 --> 01:21:52.360 included for the next um financial year. 01:21:54.080 --> 01:21:56.135 Yeah. I'll just need to check that in 01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.936 terms of there's a list of about 30 odd. 01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:00.615 Okay. What we'll do is counselors we're 01:22:00.639 --> 01:22:02.376 going to go to number four and once 01:22:02.400 --> 01:22:03.336 we've got the information we'll come 01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:05.576 back to 01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:07.416 the CFO does have the list in front of 01:22:07.440 --> 01:22:09.496 her. 01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:12.520 through you Mr. Mayor. , we have 01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.655 the 01:22:15.679 --> 01:22:17.336 Oh god, which one was it? 01:22:17.360 --> 01:22:18.056 That one. 01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:21.080 McCuska Drive, Shared Path, Ashby Drive 01:22:21.280 --> 01:22:23.896 to Llama Street. We have that currently 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.215 in the budget. 01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:28.296 , 360,000. 01:22:28.320 --> 01:22:31.320 Great. 01:22:32.639 --> 01:22:34.776 Okay. So, two A's withdrawn. 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:36.776 Well, before we move on, if I may, 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:39.175 sorry. Um there is another section of 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:42.199 path way which would link into 01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:44.376 into this and that is the path 01:22:44.400 --> 01:22:45.576 underneath the railway bridge. I 01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:47.096 appreciate that there are other um 01:22:47.120 --> 01:22:49.096 issues involved with that with transport 01:22:49.120 --> 01:22:52.120 for New South Wales. Um but if that 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:54.615 amount of money were actually 01:22:54.639 --> 01:22:56.296 probably less than that 100,000 were 01:22:56.320 --> 01:22:59.320 left in um to to address the that 01:23:00.639 --> 01:23:02.615 floodproof path underneath the the 01:23:02.639 --> 01:23:04.936 railway bridge be joining the eastern 01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:07.960 side of of um Bangor to the that that 01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:11.336 foot path network which will eventually 01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:13.175 lead up to the high school. So I think 01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:14.615 one withdrawing or 01:23:14.639 --> 01:23:17.256 I would I would re rec re reccast that 01:23:17.280 --> 01:23:20.280 um that budget bid as a bid for 01:23:20.639 --> 01:23:23.336 100,000 for that. 01:23:23.360 --> 01:23:24.776 I think the easiest things is when we 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:26.215 get to anymore. You're going to be 01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:27.816 number eight and I'm going to give you 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:29.576 the time to write write it down by the 01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:30.615 time we get there 01:23:30.639 --> 01:23:32.296 to come up with your 01:23:32.320 --> 01:23:35.096 bid. So 2 A we don't need to do but 3A 01:23:35.120 --> 01:23:36.936 is councelor Grundy which is footpath on 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:38.456 one side of but Maru Street. 01:23:38.480 --> 01:23:40.215 That's thank you Mr. Mayor. Um and I 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:41.416 don't believe that one has been 01:23:41.440 --> 01:23:44.056 earmarked in current um budgets for the 01:23:44.080 --> 01:23:47.080 upcoming financial year. Um this is 01:23:47.120 --> 01:23:50.120 important because it it really um it 01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:54.296 has moms and prams, preschoolers, 01:23:54.320 --> 01:23:57.320 elderly people walking again on the road 01:23:57.440 --> 01:24:00.440 and um if not the road, the edge of the 01:24:00.719 --> 01:24:03.496 road where it's uneven. and this is 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.520 an important part of the well it's 01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:11.000 a central component of the um Bangor 01:24:12.400 --> 01:24:15.400 um town and um the Phil's emporium is 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.376 there that's very well patronized. If we 01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:22.135 could have a footpath that went between 01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:24.456 the Kings Highway and up to Terrell 01:24:24.480 --> 01:24:26.456 Terrace, again, that would feed into 01:24:26.480 --> 01:24:28.936 students working and then walking and 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.960 getting through to the other side 01:24:32.400 --> 01:24:33.976 there. There's currently nothing. Again, 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:35.816 people walking on the roads. 01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:37.496 Okay. So, we just want staff to confirm 01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:39.816 that that this one's not included to be 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.776 done next financial year 01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:44.776 from that same list you just magic list 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.376 you had in front of you. 01:24:46.400 --> 01:24:48.856 Um my understanding is this is not 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.655 included in the draft budget and 01:24:51.679 --> 01:24:54.215 councilors can find the draft capital 01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:57.239 works program in the portal McDonald 01:24:58.320 --> 01:25:01.320 um I'm trying to just work on the on the 01:25:02.639 --> 01:25:05.639 equation of the previous where it was 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:08.615 from councelor Grundy's recommendation 01:25:08.639 --> 01:25:11.639 or or request it was $140,000 01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:14.920 staff have presumably scoped that 01:25:15.120 --> 01:25:17.175 works at least to the point of inclusion 01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:20.199 in the budget in the order of 300 and 01:25:20.400 --> 01:25:23.016 something or other thousands. 01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:26.040 Does it then hold that the same equation 01:25:27.120 --> 01:25:29.576 of or or or the increase would be 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:32.600 applicable to number three as as number 01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:36.920 two um evidently was. 01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:41.175 I'm sorry. I'm I'm thinking as I'm 01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:43.096 Yeah. Is that one staff can try and talk 01:25:43.120 --> 01:25:45.816 to Mr. Kendall? 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.615 Yeah, I'm through you, Mr. Mayor. Um 01:25:48.639 --> 01:25:51.496 in terms of the current price for paths 01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:54.520 in Bangodor, um foot paths 1 and a half 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.736 meters wide. The share path cycle way is 01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:00.215 typically 2.5 m wide, but in Bangor 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.239 typically limited to 2 m wide. Um and 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.296 the price for footpaths is in the range 01:26:06.320 --> 01:26:09.320 $200 to $250 per square meter. giving 01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:14.199 per lineal meter between four and $500. 01:26:19.120 --> 01:26:22.120 500 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:28.520 450k. 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:32.135 So not not 200, it's 500. 01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:34.936 So that 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:36.936 yeah it is significant. We thank Mr. 01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:38.615 Kendall for answering his first question 01:26:38.639 --> 01:26:40.856 that wasn't in close session. So, thank 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:42.936 you. Further discussions on councelor 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:43.416 Striker. 01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:45.336 Just just a question. If you're putting 01:26:45.360 --> 01:26:48.056 um footpaths on roads or verges that 01:26:48.080 --> 01:26:50.056 don't have curbon guttering, do you have 01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:53.080 to put curbon guttering there as well? 01:26:57.040 --> 01:26:57.976 Yeah. 01:26:58.000 --> 01:26:59.736 General manager. 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:01.175 I'll have to take that on notice. Mr. 01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.199 Mayor, 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:07.576 if I could add, Mr. the may um this is 01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:09.336 in the vicinity of the brand new 01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:12.360 preschool that will be completed in that 01:27:12.400 --> 01:27:14.536 you know the next 12 months so there'll 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.296 be a lot of foot traffic going along 01:27:16.320 --> 01:27:18.615 there 01:27:18.639 --> 01:27:20.296 and just another comment there was at 01:27:20.320 --> 01:27:22.776 the recent Bangodore community meeting 01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:25.800 um the a foot path on but Maru Street 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:29.416 in the other direction was also 01:27:29.440 --> 01:27:30.936 discussed very heavily. So, I think it's 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:32.936 this there's there's clearly a fair bit 01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.960 of community request for for this 01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:38.056 sort of thing that that we'd need to 01:27:38.080 --> 01:27:40.456 consider. 01:27:40.480 --> 01:27:41.496 Council Willis, 01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:43.655 well, we've we've just updated the 01:27:43.679 --> 01:27:46.679 pedestrian and mobility plans. So, I I 01:27:47.280 --> 01:27:48.856 do think it's important. I mean 01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:50.936 obviously people will bring issues to 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:53.096 council laws and council but it is 01:27:53.120 --> 01:27:56.120 important if we do extensive work to to 01:27:56.320 --> 01:27:59.096 have a plan for where what we prioritize 01:27:59.120 --> 01:28:00.936 that we have some reference to it and I 01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.576 don't know where these sit in that 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.896 although I I don't want to see young 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:08.456 people vulnerable people walking on the 01:28:08.480 --> 01:28:10.376 road either so 01:28:10.400 --> 01:28:12.536 that's it and I'm on the same thing as 01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:14.536 councelor Willis like surely staff have 01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:17.096 already come up with a priority list of 01:28:17.120 --> 01:28:18.615 foot paths and other upgrades you want 01:28:18.639 --> 01:28:21.639 to do as per our PAMP and obviously they 01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:24.376 saw the previous one as being very high 01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:25.816 priority that's why it's being funded 01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.215 next financial year and I would would 01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:29.736 have thought yeah but we should be 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:32.376 consulting with staff and looking at it 01:28:32.400 --> 01:28:34.296 an entire list rather than just this one 01:28:34.320 --> 01:28:35.336 and I'm going to have make the same 01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:36.615 comments when we get to another item 01:28:36.639 --> 01:28:39.639 about a road that needs to be sealed is 01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:41.576 can we confirm with staff that that is 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:43.896 actually correct we do have staff have 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.655 come up with a priority list of of foot 01:28:45.679 --> 01:28:48.615 paths and obviously this one's not on it 01:28:48.639 --> 01:28:51.175 yet. 01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:51.816 GM 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:54.296 through Mr. Mayor, you have a pedestrian 01:28:54.320 --> 01:28:57.256 cyclist like a pedestrian and um cyclist 01:28:57.280 --> 01:28:59.496 priority list which was adopted last 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.456 year and I'm just trying to find where 01:29:02.480 --> 01:29:04.695 the list is. But in the when I get to 01:29:04.719 --> 01:29:07.416 the recommended page, there is actually 01:29:07.440 --> 01:29:10.215 numbers of footpaths and locations where 01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:12.056 based on the heat maps and the surveys 01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:15.080 from community that the um action list 01:29:16.320 --> 01:29:17.976 was developed. But I I just need some 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:20.056 time to look at it. Please, 01:29:20.080 --> 01:29:20.936 councelor Gian, 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:23.896 just one last comment in 01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.376 responding to your valid point about the 01:29:26.400 --> 01:29:29.256 plan. Um the plan wouldn't necessarily 01:29:29.280 --> 01:29:31.336 have been aware that the new preschool 01:29:31.360 --> 01:29:33.096 was going to be in the new location 01:29:33.120 --> 01:29:36.120 either. So um you know that's just a 01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:38.135 recent development. 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:39.655 Is there any comment further comments on 01:29:39.679 --> 01:29:41.336 this one? If not, we'll put to the vote. 01:29:41.360 --> 01:29:42.296 But 01:29:42.320 --> 01:29:44.776 sorry, Mayor. Um what are we actually 01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.296 voting? How much are we actually voting 01:29:46.320 --> 01:29:48.456 for? Is it 500K? We've amended it from 01:29:48.480 --> 01:29:50.776 200 to 500,000. 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:53.655 Yeah, I've I've written 500 on my sheet 01:29:53.679 --> 01:29:55.736 here. 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:56.135 Okay. 01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:58.135 The staff are telling us 200,000 is is 01:29:58.159 --> 01:29:59.816 not enough to fund 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:01.736 and it's not a Yeah. So, I think just 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:03.655 quickly, may I'll just note um I I 01:30:03.679 --> 01:30:05.016 wouldn't be supporting this. I am 01:30:05.040 --> 01:30:06.615 enjoying the discussion because we 01:30:06.639 --> 01:30:07.655 wouldn't even be having this discussion 01:30:07.679 --> 01:30:09.496 without the SRV. I know I was a council 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:11.816 that quite proudly ran that argument at 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:13.096 the last election. There were others 01:30:13.120 --> 01:30:15.896 that weren't. Um, and so I won't support 01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:17.496 it, but I do I am enjoying that we're 01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:18.856 able to put more resources into the 01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:20.536 community. Okay, if there's nothing 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:21.736 further, we'll put that one to the vote. 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:24.760 All in favor, that is a no. The next one 01:30:26.639 --> 01:30:29.639 is number 4. A clear overgrown hawthorne 01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:31.896 bush and weeds on both sides of Bungor 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:32.695 Road. 01:30:32.719 --> 01:30:33.655 Thank you. 01:30:33.679 --> 01:30:35.496 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'm hoping 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:38.520 this estimate is accurate. 01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:41.960 um after going to um some trouble to 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.736 look at this sort of costing um this 01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:48.056 area, I'm sure you all know it, you're 01:30:48.080 --> 01:30:51.080 going into Bangor um 700 m short of the 01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:55.096 um the halfway creek bridge there 01:30:55.120 --> 01:30:57.016 either both side of the road. It's 01:30:57.040 --> 01:30:59.655 overgrown with Hawthorne bush bush which 01:30:59.679 --> 01:31:02.056 in the old terminology is a noxious 01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:05.080 weed. it's growing in the drains um and 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:09.159 that then compromises of course the road 01:31:09.440 --> 01:31:12.440 um structure integrity. It's an absolute 01:31:12.480 --> 01:31:14.776 eyes saw going into um at the pretty 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.800 little town of Bangor and um it's not a 01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:20.456 lot of money that that to spend that 01:31:20.480 --> 01:31:22.856 would make a quite a radical improvement 01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:25.416 in that area I think. 01:31:25.440 --> 01:31:28.440 Discussion on this one counc 01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:32.856 Mr. Mayor, , is this not covered or 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:34.536 why wouldn't this be covered under our 01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:37.560 usual weed clearance policy? 01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:39.576 Who's in charge of weeds? Is that Miss 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:41.336 Richards or Miss Omea? 01:31:41.360 --> 01:31:43.175 M. Richards. Mela. 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:44.936 So, um, through you, Mr. Mayor, because 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.416 it's roadside clearing, it's um, 01:31:47.440 --> 01:31:48.615 actually 01:31:48.639 --> 01:31:50.456 Mr. Kendall's people, I believe, that 01:31:50.480 --> 01:31:51.896 would be out there doing it. We're all 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:53.896 passing the bucket sounds, but Mr. 01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:56.920 Kendall can answer this one. 01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.800 look, given the um the scale of 01:32:02.400 --> 01:32:04.695 funding, I'm happy to um take it on 01:32:04.719 --> 01:32:06.776 notice and talk to staff about whether 01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:08.456 this can be included within the existing 01:32:08.480 --> 01:32:10.135 budget. 01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:12.296 Okay. Is there further discussion on 01:32:12.320 --> 01:32:15.096 this one? 01:32:15.120 --> 01:32:16.856 Yeah. 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:18.296 So, councelor Gr is going to withdraw 01:32:18.320 --> 01:32:19.736 based on the fact staff think they can 01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:21.736 do it and under the current budget. If 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:22.936 that's not the case, Mr. the Kendall, 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:25.336 you'll let councilors know so they have 01:32:25.360 --> 01:32:26.936 opportunity to add it back in at a later 01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:29.816 stage. Excellent. So, we can move on to 01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.695 5A. Bungador dirt pump track sports hub 01:32:32.719 --> 01:32:34.056 design and construction. 01:32:34.080 --> 01:32:35.655 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, this is a 01:32:35.679 --> 01:32:37.655 quick one. I will stress this is a dirt 01:32:37.679 --> 01:32:39.416 pump track. That's why it's only 01:32:39.440 --> 01:32:42.440 $20,000. Um we've been talking a lot 01:32:43.120 --> 01:32:46.120 the this last few months about um the 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:49.800 importance of having our youth in Bangor 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.096 have productive things to do. Um this 01:32:53.120 --> 01:32:56.120 would be a great start. Um there's u 01:32:56.480 --> 01:32:59.256 some spots out at um the sports hub that 01:32:59.280 --> 01:33:01.496 are still available for for this sort of 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:03.896 activity. I think it would be 01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:06.695 significantly patronized. Um it's been 01:33:06.719 --> 01:33:09.719 asked for by local young people for 01:33:10.400 --> 01:33:13.400 over two three years now. so I think 01:33:13.679 --> 01:33:15.896 it's some design and construction along 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:17.816 the the lines of a dirt pump track at 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.840 this point um gives them a good start 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:23.496 for for um a really good activity in the 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:26.520 town. Councelor McDonald. 01:33:27.440 --> 01:33:29.896 Um, councelor Grumy's right and that 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:32.056 that there is additional well 01:33:32.080 --> 01:33:33.816 regrettably additional space at the 01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:36.840 sports hub in Bangador based on 01:33:37.280 --> 01:33:40.215 flood mapping and the aquatics debacle 01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:43.239 but here we are. Um, look the um I'm 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:46.376 going to support this one but but I'll 01:33:46.400 --> 01:33:49.336 I'll forecast that what the proposal I 01:33:49.360 --> 01:33:51.976 have coming forward next is the more 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:54.135 long-term solution. And what I am 01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:56.215 seeking to do is I'll talk I'll talk to 01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:58.456 in in my item. This one I see as a bit 01:33:58.480 --> 01:34:01.480 of a stop gap. Um and and I I think 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.520 there there was a a a dirt style pump 01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:07.560 track created by kids in Bungador and I 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:09.416 don't know presumably council said not 01:34:09.440 --> 01:34:12.440 too fun and got rid of it. Um but um I I 01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:16.600 think this is a a quick temporary fix at 01:34:17.040 --> 01:34:18.456 a lowcost option and that's why I'm 01:34:18.480 --> 01:34:19.976 supporting it in addition to what I'll 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:22.695 bring forward next. So is council sorry 01:34:22.719 --> 01:34:24.695 question Mayor is council McDonald's 01:34:24.719 --> 01:34:27.719 number 47 is that pump he's going to 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:29.976 discuss that but he's he he he is 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:31.416 absolutely correct and it's exactly what 01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:33.416 we did in gong there was a dirt pump 01:34:33.440 --> 01:34:36.296 track they've built a proper one now cuz 01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:37.816 the dirt one's getting a pool built on 01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:39.896 top of it okay further discussion on 01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:41.496 this one all right we'll put the vote 01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:44.520 all in favor that is a yes next one is 01:34:45.120 --> 01:34:48.120 number six a bangador community event 01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:50.936 bangador bites food and wine fest 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.096 thank Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, , 01:34:53.120 --> 01:34:56.120 Bangor is just itching to, um, have 01:34:57.360 --> 01:34:59.256 another event. We had Bangador bites 01:34:59.280 --> 01:35:02.280 this, um, , past year. Um, very 01:35:03.280 --> 01:35:05.336 successful. Um, the locals, the 01:35:05.360 --> 01:35:07.816 volunteers did a tremendous job with, 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:10.776 um, very, very limited funding. Um, and 01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:13.016 I'll stress that they did an outstanding 01:35:13.040 --> 01:35:15.655 job. , look, I I think it's time that 01:35:15.679 --> 01:35:17.576 we spread the love with these sorts of 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:20.600 events. Um, Queenian has a number of um 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.920 big ticket items. Um, , the Braidwood 01:35:26.080 --> 01:35:29.080 has, um, a few events. Um, I'd just like 01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:31.736 some funding. It's not a lot of money. 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.760 Um, to for Bangor to be showcased, um, 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.800 keep in mind it won the National Small 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:43.000 Town of the Year. , and it currently 01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.615 still holds that title. So um if we 01:35:46.639 --> 01:35:48.936 could get something continued in the 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:51.960 spirit of Bungador bites I think that 01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:54.135 would be money well spent. We would have 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:56.856 a community um that feels um 01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:59.576 acknowledged and appreciated and feels 01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:02.600 that the expenditure that in some 01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:06.936 circles is seen to be city centric is 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:09.960 spread u more um proportionately. 01:36:11.679 --> 01:36:14.679 Thank you councelor Willis. Um I'm just 01:36:15.679 --> 01:36:17.736 trying to recall I think this event was 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.695 funded out of a an event budget that we 01:36:20.719 --> 01:36:23.336 had which was money redirected from the 01:36:23.360 --> 01:36:26.056 cancellation of Oktoberfest. So I'm just 01:36:26.080 --> 01:36:28.296 wondering can staff tell us you know 01:36:28.320 --> 01:36:31.320 have we got an a a sort of global events 01:36:31.360 --> 01:36:34.360 budget and would it accommodate this? 01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:36.615 Mr. Richards 01:36:36.639 --> 01:36:38.296 through you Mr. Mayor. We do have a 01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:40.376 small amount of money for regional 01:36:40.400 --> 01:36:42.615 events. I think it's to be honest I 01:36:42.639 --> 01:36:44.135 can't recall exactly how much it is but 01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:46.456 it's around the $20,000 mark. So whilst 01:36:46.480 --> 01:36:48.135 it could accommodate this event it would 01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:50.456 take the entire budget. 01:36:50.480 --> 01:36:53.480 So how do we fund our other events? 01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.576 through you m each event has its own 01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:00.135 funding category and that's put up 01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:03.159 each year. It it's budgeted each year. 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:07.960 So we don't have sort of a a policy on 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:12.600 which events we fund and 01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:15.496 or we it's just if someone offers 01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:17.576 someone wants to run an event then it 01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:19.256 what how does it how does it get funded 01:37:19.280 --> 01:37:21.816 does it come to council or yeah through 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:23.336 man if someone wanted to fund an event 01:37:23.360 --> 01:37:25.896 as as happened with bangador bites last 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:28.920 year so a paper was brought to council 01:37:29.040 --> 01:37:31.016 and and we talked to councils about 01:37:31.040 --> 01:37:33.016 where it could be funded from and you're 01:37:33.040 --> 01:37:35.175 correct it was funded from the removal 01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:37.496 of Oktoberfest. It could have been 01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:40.135 funded. Major's Creek got some funding 01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:42.135 this year and that came to council 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:44.296 and that was funded through the events 01:37:44.320 --> 01:37:47.320 pool that we have. But a new council a 01:37:47.679 --> 01:37:49.576 new events policy and strategy will be 01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:51.175 coming to council before the end of the 01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:52.296 financial year. 01:37:52.320 --> 01:37:53.496 Thank you. 01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:55.816 Is there further discussion on this one? 01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:58.840 Caser Preston. yeah, I'm I'm really 01:37:59.440 --> 01:38:01.016 applaud the sentiment of this, but I'm a 01:38:01.040 --> 01:38:04.040 little bit um unsure it seems 01:38:06.480 --> 01:38:09.256 to be attached to to Bungam Bungador 01:38:09.280 --> 01:38:11.496 bites as an idea rather than as an 01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:14.520 actual event. Um whilst um it it's quite 01:38:15.440 --> 01:38:17.976 likely that that Bungador Bites will 01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:21.000 will go ahead again. um it would be 01:38:21.679 --> 01:38:23.336 at that point that they would ask for 01:38:23.360 --> 01:38:25.336 funding and I just wonder whether this 01:38:25.360 --> 01:38:27.016 funding might be better directed to 01:38:27.040 --> 01:38:30.040 expanding the events funding budget as a 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.239 whole rather than um although it would 01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:35.416 be would be good to quarantine it for a 01:38:35.440 --> 01:38:38.440 bangor um or rather than than than 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:42.776 allocating it to an event that may or 01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:45.576 may not happen unless councelor Gundy 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:47.576 has any more information about about 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:50.600 bugand actually committing to an event 01:38:51.040 --> 01:38:52.856 in the coming years. 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:54.695 So I think it is open to councilors if 01:38:54.719 --> 01:38:56.856 they wanted to expand that budget. Miss 01:38:56.880 --> 01:38:58.776 Richard talked about before I think it 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:00.215 would be good if councelor Grundy could 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:03.239 confirm is this event contingent on on 01:39:03.280 --> 01:39:06.280 this funding. Was councelor Preston 01:39:06.480 --> 01:39:07.896 going down the right track with that? 01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:10.376 Yes, there's no funding existing for 01:39:10.400 --> 01:39:12.215 next financial year for any event in 01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:14.056 Bangor 01:39:14.080 --> 01:39:16.056 to my knowledge for my knowledge. Sir, 01:39:16.080 --> 01:39:17.896 councelor Gy, I guess my question was, 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:19.655 do you know that Bangodor bites is 01:39:19.679 --> 01:39:22.135 wanting to run the event again this year 01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:23.416 in the coming year? 01:39:23.440 --> 01:39:25.256 I can't speak for the volunteers, but 01:39:25.280 --> 01:39:28.280 they certainly um have supported um my 01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:31.880 bid tonight 100%. Um there was it was a 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:35.880 big production by a very small number of 01:39:36.400 --> 01:39:38.776 um volunteers last time. It was somewhat 01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:41.416 overwhelming. I thought I think you know 01:39:41.440 --> 01:39:43.736 if there could be some more support from 01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.760 council even if it's in advisory 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:50.760 capacities um some other assistance with 01:39:51.440 --> 01:39:53.736 you know some small staffing that would 01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:55.655 that would make things a lot easier for 01:39:55.679 --> 01:39:58.679 the the volunteers um but it was it was 01:39:59.040 --> 01:40:00.776 really difficult last time there was a 01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:03.256 lot that had to be done so but there's 01:40:03.280 --> 01:40:05.816 no funding currently so if we don't if 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:07.896 we don't give this the tick then there's 01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:10.695 there's no f there's No activity, no 01:40:10.719 --> 01:40:12.695 event for Bangor. 01:40:12.719 --> 01:40:14.615 Yeah, I'm still I'm sorry. I'm still a 01:40:14.639 --> 01:40:17.496 little bit unclear whether Bangor by 01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:20.520 some people who who who who did all that 01:40:20.639 --> 01:40:22.536 fantastic work and put put on a a 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:25.560 spectacularly good um event. are they 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:30.119 are they waiting for the the funding 01:40:31.040 --> 01:40:32.695 commitment to commit to doing it or are 01:40:32.719 --> 01:40:34.135 they going to commit to do it and ask 01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:36.215 for funding? I mean, you see where I'm 01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:39.239 going? Is this a chicken and egg kind of 01:40:39.360 --> 01:40:42.360 or cart before the horse kind of issue? 01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:43.496 I think we're hearing that if we don't 01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:45.896 give them 18,000 it's it may not go 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:47.576 ahead. If we do give them the money then 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:48.936 it absolutely will go ahead. Councelor 01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:49.896 Broadin. 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:51.736 Yeah. I just want I guess um maybe to 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:53.256 help councel press in my understanding 01:40:53.280 --> 01:40:55.095 of I guess all budgets is essentially 01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:56.776 we're making a bucket. If we don't spend 01:40:56.800 --> 01:40:58.376 out of that bucket then it is what it 01:40:58.400 --> 01:41:01.400 is. Um I bung and door bites was was an 01:41:02.480 --> 01:41:05.095 incredible event. Um I think restricting 01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:08.119 a pool of funds for Bungor Bites is a 01:41:08.480 --> 01:41:11.336 sensible way to go. If for some reason 01:41:11.360 --> 01:41:13.175 undoubtedly they will host the event but 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:16.199 if they don't um that means we will have 01:41:16.320 --> 01:41:19.256 18 grand that sits there um and we can 01:41:19.280 --> 01:41:21.016 always go hey look let's put that 01:41:21.040 --> 01:41:22.296 towards something else if it doesn't go 01:41:22.320 --> 01:41:23.816 ahead. 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:26.215 Okay. Is there council Wilson? 01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:28.376 Yep. Briefly can thank you councelor 01:41:28.400 --> 01:41:30.056 Grundy for bringing this forward. It was 01:41:30.080 --> 01:41:31.655 a good thing and I know that um the 01:41:31.679 --> 01:41:33.256 committee got behind it. 01:41:33.280 --> 01:41:35.336 you can cut this budget either way as 01:41:35.360 --> 01:41:37.416 councelor Broadbent has said or actually 01:41:37.440 --> 01:41:39.256 we could defer this and come back to 01:41:39.280 --> 01:41:40.776 this out of the general fund over the 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:42.135 next whenever it's ready to rock and 01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:44.695 roll but I think as a direction to 01:41:44.719 --> 01:41:46.376 the community and and the organizer 01:41:46.400 --> 01:41:47.736 probably watching on or at least look at 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.655 the results of tonight's meeting I think 01:41:49.679 --> 01:41:51.416 I'll support it. Thank you. 01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:53.336 Thank you. If there's nothing further 01:41:53.360 --> 01:41:54.776 we'll put that one to a vote. All in 01:41:54.800 --> 01:41:57.800 favor that's a yes. We are now up to 01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:00.296 number seven which we've added which is 01:42:00.320 --> 01:42:03.320 the warm half court basketball court at 01:42:03.679 --> 01:42:06.679 500,000. No, no, no. 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:08.056 I thought you said that was the 01:42:08.080 --> 01:42:09.416 estimated figure. 01:42:09.440 --> 01:42:11.655 100 100. Goodness me. 01:42:11.679 --> 01:42:14.679 100 goldplated basketball. Not not in 01:42:15.440 --> 01:42:17.336 one point. Let me look colleagues. 01:42:17.360 --> 01:42:18.856 Appreciate the lateness of this one. As 01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:21.736 I said, it was sort of um you know tidle 01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:23.736 say money. Give it up Wilson you love to 01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:26.760 spend. Um right now I'm just going to 01:42:27.440 --> 01:42:30.440 read from my letter of support. Now, 01:42:30.719 --> 01:42:33.719 the Wboy um community um the 355 have 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:38.600 put many bids forward for um for for 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.000 grants through various state and federal 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:45.416 opportunities and regrettably they've 01:42:45.440 --> 01:42:47.576 not been successful. Um we've all been 01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:50.600 to the Woen Hall um and sort of know um 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:53.416 it's sort of environs. , and what 01:42:53.440 --> 01:42:55.576 we're talking about is in the back sort 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:58.600 of corner where there currently stands a 01:42:59.679 --> 01:43:02.376 um a freestanding basketball hoop, you 01:43:02.400 --> 01:43:03.576 know, one of those ones you fill with 01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:06.600 the water on the base. , on a probably 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:10.119 about a 15° gradient um, a cobbled sort 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:14.135 of car park. This is a car park. That's 01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:16.296 what that's what I'm sort of trying to 01:43:16.320 --> 01:43:19.320 um, illustrate. So what I say in the one 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:22.840 of the multiple letters of support is um 01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:25.175 while B wombo has a vibrant community 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:26.776 spirit there's a lack of recreational 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:28.615 facilities specifically those catering 01:43:28.639 --> 01:43:30.695 to youth and young adults. Presently 01:43:30.719 --> 01:43:32.135 young people in Bombboy and the 01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:34.296 surrounding rural residential areas have 01:43:34.320 --> 01:43:36.376 very few local outlets for spontaneous 01:43:36.400 --> 01:43:38.536 or organized physical activity often 01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:40.536 requiring travel to major centers for 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:42.695 basic sporting amenities made more 01:43:42.719 --> 01:43:44.776 difficult without supporting transport 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:46.376 infrastructure. 01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:49.400 Um the quote analysis which I've sent 01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:52.760 round um it talks about the project um 01:43:54.639 --> 01:43:57.336 coming in at 84,000 01:43:57.360 --> 01:44:00.296 or 80 odd thousand 01:44:00.320 --> 01:44:03.320 um 85 thanks council press um 01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:07.736 this was some months ago and I'm just 01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:09.816 cautious noting the cost of doing 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:12.840 business um how how these prices um are 01:44:14.639 --> 01:44:16.215 increasing rapidly and I don't want to 01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:17.816 be left with our pants down, you know, 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:19.416 if we were to agree to this having to 01:44:19.440 --> 01:44:22.440 come back to to top it up. There is a 01:44:22.560 --> 01:44:25.560 small admittedly small um supplementary 01:44:26.320 --> 01:44:28.215 investment from the community 01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:30.936 association and from the 355 to put some 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:32.936 of their money into into the project 01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.960 too. Um and um colleagues um I I I 01:44:38.639 --> 01:44:40.776 really think this is this is core 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:43.576 business. Um it's a growing community 01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.600 with young people and and we don't 01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:49.960 have anything for them. Um and sadly 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.576 frankly the um you know the coffers 01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:55.095 at other levels of government seem 01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.655 pretty dry in this respect. So I'm happy 01:44:57.679 --> 01:44:59.496 to take any questions. 01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:02.296 Okay. Discussion on this one. Councilors 01:45:02.320 --> 01:45:03.336 councelor Willis. 01:45:03.360 --> 01:45:05.336 Yes. I wanted to ask if the staff have 01:45:05.360 --> 01:45:08.215 seen this proposal and have any view on 01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:09.976 it. 01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:13.000 Well, certainly the staff have um I 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:16.520 allow them to to comment additional if 01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:19.560 if they wish, but the staff were um 01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:21.816 including through our grants officer 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:24.056 and through our 355 01:45:24.080 --> 01:45:27.080 officers um for one a better term have 01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:30.600 been instrumental in the project scope 01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:33.175 and the design and the grant 01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:35.175 applications, the subsequent grant 01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:38.199 applications which have gone through um 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:40.776 as it relates to a specific budget bid. 01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:43.800 Um um I I would face value say no. Um 01:45:45.040 --> 01:45:47.095 but they but they know this project 01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:49.576 pretty in depth and indeed we talked 01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:52.135 about it at the Wombine Community 01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:54.776 Association meeting with the GM and um 01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:57.496 and Mr. Kendall recently. 01:45:57.520 --> 01:45:59.256 Is there further questions or discussion 01:45:59.280 --> 01:46:01.336 on this one? If not, we'll put it to the 01:46:01.360 --> 01:46:03.976 vote. All those in favor 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:06.296 that is 01:46:06.320 --> 01:46:09.320 a yes. Okay. Okay, we're now up to 8A, 01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:13.159 which was councelor Preston's disc 01:46:14.639 --> 01:46:16.856 request about the Bangodore path under 01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:18.135 the bridge, what you might need to 01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:20.615 describe again for those that don't know 01:46:20.639 --> 01:46:22.296 Bangador quite as well as you do, 01:46:22.320 --> 01:46:23.175 Council Preston. 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:25.496 Thank you, Mayor. Um, the eastern side 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:28.520 of Bungor um has no um way of getting to 01:46:30.639 --> 01:46:33.639 the the western side except by by going 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.816 over the railway. and that's on Kings 01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:40.840 Highway. Um so what this proposal is 01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:46.376 is a a path that that continues an 01:46:46.400 --> 01:46:48.135 existing pathway, a short existing 01:46:48.159 --> 01:46:50.456 pathway at the end of Turala Street 01:46:50.480 --> 01:46:53.336 which which currently um goes down to 01:46:53.360 --> 01:46:56.360 Turello Creek um at the and um and then 01:46:57.199 --> 01:47:00.199 there is a a sloping cement a fairly 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:03.976 difficult to pass pass sloping cement um 01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:06.695 wall underneath the railway. and then 01:47:06.719 --> 01:47:08.695 a few meters further on it attaches to 01:47:08.719 --> 01:47:11.719 the pathway that at the at the ford 01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:14.456 um which um on mccusca street or or 01:47:14.480 --> 01:47:16.456 tural terrace what whatever that happens 01:47:16.480 --> 01:47:19.480 to be called at that point. Um the a 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:22.920 pathway um under the railway u linking 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:27.960 into that um um path at the ford would 01:47:29.040 --> 01:47:32.040 be about 20 m long. Um but it would be 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:36.119 over the creek so it does have um issues 01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:38.296 u from that point of view. So it would 01:47:38.320 --> 01:47:41.016 be a need to be able to withstand a a 01:47:41.040 --> 01:47:43.816 flood event um there and that that 01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:46.456 happens perhaps once or twice a year. Um 01:47:46.480 --> 01:47:49.480 so the other issue then is that it it 01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.856 will link into the um the the paths 01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:54.856 which will serve the the new high 01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:57.736 school and the the other pathway that we 01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:00.536 we spoken about earlier today. My guess 01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:02.776 and it and literally is a guess and 01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.175 perhaps some of the staff could um 01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:07.016 offer some assistance, but it would be 01:48:07.040 --> 01:48:09.816 under $100,000. 01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:12.135 Gian three, Mr. Mayor, I have found 01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:14.135 your pedestrian access management plan 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:16.776 and priorities. This project is not 01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:19.655 currently identified and I would caution 01:48:19.679 --> 01:48:21.816 putting budget until we get permission 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:23.816 from Transport for New South Wales 01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:24.936 because you're going underneath a 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:27.336 railway asset and I think that's going 01:48:27.360 --> 01:48:30.056 to be the hurdle. So, I'm just maybe it 01:48:30.080 --> 01:48:32.856 should be worth an investigation first, 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:33.896 please. But 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:35.416 do unless someone knows, do we have 01:48:35.440 --> 01:48:35.896 permission? 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:38.215 No, we don't. Um, it's still ongoing. 01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:40.776 Um, and look, this wasn't, I should say, 01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:43.576 accounts of Preston sort of brain um, 01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:45.416 you know, brainchild where where we just 01:48:45.440 --> 01:48:47.175 came up with it on the spot, as 01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:48.776 spontaneous as it may seem, this is 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:50.856 something which we had dealt with for 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:52.615 probably 12 months ago, I think, and it 01:48:52.639 --> 01:48:55.016 had a lot of community support cuz it is 01:48:55.040 --> 01:48:58.040 valid. um to sort of picking up on 01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:00.215 council broadband's piece in relation to 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:02.296 a different budget item. If we were to 01:49:02.320 --> 01:49:05.095 allocate budget and then for whatever 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:07.976 reason not spend it, it doesn't sort of 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:10.856 go off into the ether. It remains in the 01:49:10.880 --> 01:49:12.856 pot. And I understand that's not a 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:14.695 necessarily great way to do budgeting, 01:49:14.719 --> 01:49:17.719 but um I there is an opportunity cost, 01:49:18.800 --> 01:49:21.800 but what I'm seeking from staff is a 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:26.520 better alternative once we resolve that 01:49:26.719 --> 01:49:29.095 that threshold question from transport 01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:32.119 for New South Wales. Is it a subsequent 01:49:32.639 --> 01:49:34.296 budget question? 01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:36.376 through Mr. May, I'd really prefer 01:49:36.400 --> 01:49:37.736 when you put something in the budget 01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:39.256 with a dollar figure, you raise the 01:49:39.280 --> 01:49:40.615 community expectations that you're going 01:49:40.639 --> 01:49:42.536 to complete a project and then staff 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:43.816 have to come back to council and say, 01:49:43.840 --> 01:49:45.736 "I'm really sorry, council. That project 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.760 is no longer 150,000 or 250,000. It's 01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:52.456 actually 750,000." So, I'd prefer that 01:49:52.480 --> 01:49:54.376 we scope the project first and we sought 01:49:54.400 --> 01:49:57.400 permission and perhaps um you know, 01:49:58.560 --> 01:50:01.095 preferably a you know, a notice of 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:03.336 motion or a direction from council to 01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:05.175 inquire what that would be. So we could 01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:06.936 bring back a proper project for you 01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:07.896 counselors. 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:09.175 All right. So we'll do that. So we don't 01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:10.296 need to debate it further. Council 01:50:10.320 --> 01:50:11.736 Preston's going to develop a notice of 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:12.536 motion. Yes. 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:14.776 To let staff know exactly how we'd like 01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:15.576 to proceed from here. 01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:17.496 Thank you. And on indulgence, I did have 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:20.456 another um 01:50:20.480 --> 01:50:23.480 potential bid. 01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:24.615 Okay. 01:50:24.639 --> 01:50:25.655 If that's okay. 01:50:25.679 --> 01:50:27.655 Well, what I'd like to do, council, it 01:50:27.679 --> 01:50:29.496 is now 8:00. So I think we should 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:31.896 adjourn for for 10 minutes. We come back 01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:33.655 and you can have the floor once we come 01:50:33.679 --> 01:50:36.679 back. So, we'll adjourn the meeting. 01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:39.976 Okay, councilors, we are back live and 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:41.896 we're going to councelor Preston who has 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.856 a late item. 01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:46.936 , thank you, Mayor, and thank you 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.256 fellow councilors on indulgence. Um, the 01:50:49.280 --> 01:50:52.280 what I was going to propose um is bolard 01:50:52.639 --> 01:50:54.776 lighting um between the Malongo 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:56.135 Melbourne Street Roundabout and the 01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:59.159 Bangor Sports Hub. Um 01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:03.336 I I don't actually have a cost and I've 01:51:03.360 --> 01:51:06.360 I've spoken to Mr. Kendall who was um 01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:08.615 agreed to have a look at that for for 01:51:08.639 --> 01:51:11.639 me. Um but briefly I attended the um 01:51:12.400 --> 01:51:15.400 Anzac Day evening match on last Friday 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:18.296 night um which was a fantastic event and 01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:20.695 very well attended. and on the way 01:51:20.719 --> 01:51:23.719 home from that drove down the the the 01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:26.776 that 01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:29.496 200 meter piece of road and and it's 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:31.576 pitch black and there were people on 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:33.736 bikes, there were people walking. Um, 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:36.135 yes, there's a path, but it is it it's 01:51:36.159 --> 01:51:38.215 it's an accident waiting to happen. So, 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:40.856 my my guess is we'd probably need in the 01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:43.880 order of $100,000 to um to put in bolard 01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:46.856 lighting along that that pathway. Um, 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:49.816 but happy to take comment from staff or 01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:50.856 questions. 01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:52.856 Okay. Will this fall under Miss Richards 01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.575 because it's a sports hub 01:51:55.599 --> 01:51:58.599 and I'm going to talk to it just just 01:51:58.639 --> 01:52:01.639 just quickly so she can swallow her 01:52:02.719 --> 01:52:05.336 biscuit. Um I'd much prefer to see this 01:52:05.360 --> 01:52:07.816 come back as a report to and by the 01:52:07.840 --> 01:52:10.615 sports council about the need for it and 01:52:10.639 --> 01:52:12.856 how much it would cost and then for it 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:15.496 to come to council to to make a call 01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:18.135 rather than making up on the fly tonight 01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:19.736 when we have no idea how much it's going 01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:22.376 to how much it would cost that sort of 01:52:22.400 --> 01:52:24.376 thing. But I will ask Miss Richards for 01:52:24.400 --> 01:52:26.695 comment from staff. 01:52:26.719 --> 01:52:28.135 through you, Mr. Mayor. I haven't had 01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:29.816 an opportunity to discuss this one with 01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:32.840 staff. Um this is I haven't seen it. 01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:35.816 so I would like to take that on notice, 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:38.840 but I agree. Um recommendation to the 01:52:39.360 --> 01:52:42.360 sports council would be a good idea. 01:52:42.480 --> 01:52:44.456 Ju just a quick comment. To me, it seems 01:52:44.480 --> 01:52:46.856 like it's it's a a roads issue rather 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.416 than a rather than a sports issue. But, 01:52:49.440 --> 01:52:52.440 um, I'm happy to let let staff take 01:52:52.560 --> 01:52:55.336 that on on and I appreciate your your 01:52:55.360 --> 01:52:57.816 idea of bringing this back as a 01:52:57.840 --> 01:52:58.856 Thank you. And we'll let the sports 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:00.056 council know your thoughts on that. 01:53:00.080 --> 01:53:00.936 Councelor Robert, 01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:02.615 just as a bit of backup too, that road 01:53:02.639 --> 01:53:03.896 is actually in the Bangador structure 01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:05.976 plan as part of the bypass for for 01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:09.000 Bangor. 01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:11.575 Okay. 01:53:11.599 --> 01:53:13.416 So, are we finished with councelor 01:53:13.440 --> 01:53:16.440 Preston? Councelor Wilson. 01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:19.016 Thank you, Mayor. On on indulgence, I've 01:53:19.040 --> 01:53:21.336 got one item, and that is and thank 01:53:21.360 --> 01:53:23.896 you for that indulgence, um is to 01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:25.736 increase the pensioner rebate. this 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:27.575 is our volunteer contribution that we 01:53:27.599 --> 01:53:30.599 make to the the state overall 01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:33.095 contribution. It's currently at $50. So, 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:36.119 you might quick history. we when we 01:53:36.480 --> 01:53:38.376 when we came to this council this this 01:53:38.400 --> 01:53:39.896 when I was on council the 01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:41.416 pensioner rebate only went to Queenian 01:53:41.440 --> 01:53:42.776 pensioners. We extended it to all 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:44.456 pensioners. That was our first step. 01:53:44.480 --> 01:53:45.976 Then we extended the additional amount 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:49.000 from 40 to $40 to $50. And I'm given 01:53:50.639 --> 01:53:53.336 the once again the rates have gone up 01:53:53.360 --> 01:53:55.016 and we're at the back end of the SRV 01:53:55.040 --> 01:53:57.175 process. I'm going to move that we 01:53:57.199 --> 01:53:59.736 extend the pension fund rebate from $50 01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:01.896 to $60. and I've been advised by staff 01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:04.920 the costing of that is $27,000 01:54:05.040 --> 01:54:07.016 out of the general fund but happy to 01:54:07.040 --> 01:54:07.736 have it confirmed. 01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:10.760 We get staff to confirm that figure 01:54:11.440 --> 01:54:13.175 through you Mr. Mayor. Yes, that is 01:54:13.199 --> 01:54:14.296 correct. 01:54:14.320 --> 01:54:16.056 Okay, thank you. Discussion on 01:54:16.080 --> 01:54:17.256 increasing the rebate 01:54:17.280 --> 01:54:19.336 and just yeah thank you may speak to the 01:54:19.360 --> 01:54:20.936 item now. you've I've talked about 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:22.615 the history but I actually think this is 01:54:22.639 --> 01:54:24.695 an important we actually don't have many 01:54:24.719 --> 01:54:25.896 measures where we can try and do an 01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:27.896 equity measure where we try and support 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:29.736 low-inccome rate payers you know and 01:54:29.760 --> 01:54:31.496 obviously we we don't collect family 01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:33.816 benefit amb data we don't have other 01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:35.416 pension card concession or sorry 01:54:35.440 --> 01:54:36.936 concession cards but we do know who are 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:38.376 pensioners and there's already a rebate 01:54:38.400 --> 01:54:41.400 there I think it um we are cheaper than 01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:44.856 the act with our rates but it is not 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:46.376 cheap to live in our city and I really 01:54:46.400 --> 01:54:47.736 appreciate every rate paper making the 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:49.016 effort to make you know meet their 01:54:49.040 --> 01:54:49.816 requirements 01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:51.496 And this is a very small contribution 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:52.695 considering some of the other things 01:54:52.719 --> 01:54:54.936 that we've ticked off this evening to 01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:56.376 help pensioners in our community. Thank 01:54:56.400 --> 01:54:56.695 you. 01:54:56.719 --> 01:54:59.095 Thank you, Councelor Broadbe. 01:54:59.119 --> 01:55:01.336 I just wanted to check is this something 01:55:01.360 --> 01:55:03.575 we usually have in the operational plan 01:55:03.599 --> 01:55:06.215 or so does it need to be a budget bid to 01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:07.416 make it go because it feels like the 01:55:07.440 --> 01:55:08.936 kind of thing that should just CPI and 01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:09.736 be 01:55:09.760 --> 01:55:11.896 set regularly 01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:12.936 through you Mr. Mayor. 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:13.655 Gentleman. 01:55:13.679 --> 01:55:16.679 through you Mr. Mayor. It's not. It's 01:55:16.719 --> 01:55:18.135 the state government determined their 01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:19.496 level and then council makes a 01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:20.936 determination of its voluntary 01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:23.095 contribution. So it's important is a 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:25.496 decision of council by this decision. 01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:27.256 Now if it's accepted we'll put that into 01:55:27.280 --> 01:55:28.776 the draft operational plan for 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:31.800 presentation to the 20 13th of May. 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:35.880 Yeah. Cool. Um, I guess I I haven't 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:37.976 Yeah, be it'd be good to see this in in 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:39.095 some of the other plans like the 01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:41.896 disability inclusion or the the um the 01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:44.215 seniors if if work comes out of any 01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:46.776 seniors seniors committee for seniors 01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:48.376 plan or something along those lines, I 01:55:48.400 --> 01:55:49.256 think this is the kind of thing that 01:55:49.280 --> 01:55:50.776 would be good, but I'll I'll support 01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:51.976 council Wilson. 01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:53.336 Thank you. Is there further discussion 01:55:53.360 --> 01:55:54.615 increasing the pension rebate? Councelor 01:55:54.639 --> 01:55:55.175 Gundy. 01:55:55.199 --> 01:55:57.416 Um just a quick one. Um and it was 01:55:57.440 --> 01:56:00.440 alluded to the state um contribution I 01:56:02.320 --> 01:56:04.695 expect has remained unchanged. Is there 01:56:04.719 --> 01:56:07.095 any indication whether that has also 01:56:07.119 --> 01:56:09.016 increased? 01:56:09.040 --> 01:56:12.040 Do we know that information miss? 01:56:12.480 --> 01:56:15.175 through you Mr. Mayor. that 01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:18.199 amount has not changed since 1977. 01:56:20.639 --> 01:56:23.575 Yes. Is there further discussion? 01:56:23.599 --> 01:56:25.655 Can I just make a statement? Can we make 01:56:25.679 --> 01:56:28.056 a priority to write to whoever needs to 01:56:28.080 --> 01:56:30.296 be written to to really highlight that? 01:56:30.320 --> 01:56:33.016 That's over successive governments. 01:56:33.040 --> 01:56:35.016 That's pretty, isn't it? 01:56:35.040 --> 01:56:36.615 Agreed. We're going to vote on this one. 01:56:36.639 --> 01:56:38.135 All in favor increasing the rebate. 01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:39.736 That's a yes. 01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.536 Are we now council going to item number 01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:44.296 30, which is request from community 01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:44.936 members? 01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:47.960 Oh, sorry m just noting um I'm just 01:56:49.280 --> 01:56:52.280 testing your thematic approach. There 01:56:52.400 --> 01:56:54.376 are some there are further councelor 01:56:54.400 --> 01:56:56.856 bids. I'm happy to yield um and and go 01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:58.376 with your process. I just was flagging 01:56:58.400 --> 01:56:58.936 that. 01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:01.736 Yeah. So, if there's any that we haven't 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:02.936 that councilors have but we haven't got 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.256 to yet, we will get to them when we get 01:57:05.280 --> 01:57:07.336 to the late ones that have been added at 01:57:07.360 --> 01:57:08.615 the end of this table here. 01:57:08.639 --> 01:57:09.655 Yeah. Understood. Thank you. 01:57:09.679 --> 01:57:09.976 Yeah. 01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:12.056 So, let's do number 30, which is 01:57:12.080 --> 01:57:14.215 Bangador Aquatic Center. Um does the 01:57:14.239 --> 01:57:16.615 council want to speak to this request 01:57:16.639 --> 01:57:18.856 for $5 million? 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:20.456 Was 01:57:20.480 --> 01:57:23.480 that a yes, Council McDonald? 01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:28.456 This is this is as a sort of flag just 01:57:28.480 --> 01:57:31.256 such an unenviable position. This this 01:57:31.280 --> 01:57:33.655 whole thing from start to finish is to 01:57:33.679 --> 01:57:36.296 where we're we're at. um and the the 01:57:36.320 --> 01:57:39.320 good work um of the of the aquatics 01:57:41.360 --> 01:57:44.360 committee and and of staff um I I 01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:48.440 fear without funding um comes to a 01:57:48.480 --> 01:57:50.936 grinding halt. 01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:53.896 There is no way forward. Um there's not 01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:56.695 been you know there's a state election 01:57:56.719 --> 01:57:59.256 in less than a year's time. Hopefully 01:57:59.280 --> 01:58:01.256 there'll be some commitments from 01:58:01.280 --> 01:58:04.280 candidates at that point. But otherwise, 01:58:05.280 --> 01:58:08.280 I I I really think that the dream to 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:13.159 move past the modest pool um currently 01:58:14.320 --> 01:58:17.320 in situ in Bangor 01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:20.520 sort of dies without a commitment 01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:23.880 from council. Um 01:58:24.320 --> 01:58:27.320 $5 million is I I think a very modest 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:30.536 figure in the grand scheme of how much 01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:33.336 the the project would cost, but it does 01:58:33.360 --> 01:58:36.360 demonstrate to funders i.e. state and 01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:39.800 federal and um and um you know community 01:58:40.400 --> 01:58:42.135 funders 01:58:42.159 --> 01:58:45.159 um that we want to be part of this 01:58:46.719 --> 01:58:49.416 this project. 01:58:49.440 --> 01:58:52.440 and that is why I am supporting 01:58:52.639 --> 01:58:55.175 the bid. 01:58:55.199 --> 01:58:57.416 Council, 01:58:57.440 --> 01:58:59.095 um 01:58:59.119 --> 01:59:01.256 I I'm I'm I'm afraid I'm not going to be 01:59:01.280 --> 01:59:03.016 able to support this bid, but I did want 01:59:03.040 --> 01:59:06.040 to make a few comments to about 01:59:06.400 --> 01:59:09.400 that. Um I have been and I think this 01:59:10.080 --> 01:59:11.736 council generally has been a big 01:59:11.760 --> 01:59:14.376 supporter of the idea of a of a pool 01:59:14.400 --> 01:59:16.615 for Bangor and an an incredible amount 01:59:16.639 --> 01:59:19.639 of work has gone into it. Um and both 01:59:20.400 --> 01:59:22.135 staff and particularly the community 01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:24.936 organization that that has got behind 01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:27.336 this and put an an incredible amount of 01:59:27.360 --> 01:59:29.816 work into it need to be 01:59:29.840 --> 01:59:32.840 congratulated. Um but there is as 01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:35.175 council McDonald has has already pointed 01:59:35.199 --> 01:59:37.095 out there really is no way forward in 01:59:37.119 --> 01:59:39.256 the in the current in the current 01:59:39.280 --> 01:59:42.280 position. So um what what do we have 01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:45.016 what what can we do? I'm I'm probably a 01:59:45.040 --> 01:59:47.336 little bit more optimistic than than 01:59:47.360 --> 01:59:50.360 councelor McDonald. Um 01:59:51.920 --> 01:59:54.215 and I think it has been mentioned 01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:56.615 that the current site the current pool 01:59:56.639 --> 01:59:59.496 in Bangor could well provide an 01:59:59.520 --> 02:00:02.520 opportunity for a a re for 02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:06.376 reprosecuting the whole pool idea in 02:00:06.400 --> 02:00:09.400 in Bangor. Um it but that would require 02:00:11.040 --> 02:00:14.040 a um a fair bit of study and 02:00:14.719 --> 02:00:16.536 feasibility and working out the 02:00:16.560 --> 02:00:18.776 feasibility of it. That existing pool 02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:21.800 was largely community funded and it 02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:24.376 served the community well but it is now 02:00:24.400 --> 02:00:27.400 old and um you know as I said we fully 02:00:28.080 --> 02:00:30.376 support a a new pool and this may 02:00:30.400 --> 02:00:33.400 provide an opportunity um to to have a 02:00:33.679 --> 02:00:36.679 look at at the existing pool. How can it 02:00:36.880 --> 02:00:38.695 it it incorporate all everything that 02:00:38.719 --> 02:00:41.175 was in the design for the the DA that's 02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:44.199 been withdrawn? Um I understand and if I 02:00:44.719 --> 02:00:46.536 could get confirmation from staff that 02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:48.215 there is money in the budget to conduct 02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:50.215 that feasibility study something like 02:00:50.239 --> 02:00:51.976 $270,000 02:00:52.000 --> 02:00:54.056 and I think that is that's the best way 02:00:54.080 --> 02:00:56.056 forward is we use that that money 02:00:56.080 --> 02:00:59.080 understand um what we can do there and 02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:01.816 that money would allow for any plans 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:04.615 required to be prepared and the new DA 02:01:04.639 --> 02:01:06.135 potentially at their current pool site 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:09.159 to be to be lodged in the future. 02:01:09.599 --> 02:01:11.016 So, Miss Bridges, are you able to 02:01:11.040 --> 02:01:12.215 confirm that? 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:13.816 , through you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, there 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:16.296 is money in the current budget and that 02:01:16.320 --> 02:01:18.856 is being pursued. 02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:21.880 Um, I think it's 270 sounds right, but 02:01:22.320 --> 02:01:23.896 I'm sorry I would have to take that on 02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:25.496 notice and get back to you, but the work 02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:28.056 is being pursued. 02:01:28.080 --> 02:01:29.896 Before I ask for more comment or 02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:31.976 questions on this one, I just want to 02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:33.896 make very clear whenever I've met with 02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:35.416 people from Bangador Aquatics and 02:01:35.440 --> 02:01:36.936 they've done done great things. have 02:01:36.960 --> 02:01:38.456 always been very clear to them that 02:01:38.480 --> 02:01:40.215 without further development of Bangador 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:42.215 and developer contributions things like 02:01:42.239 --> 02:01:44.936 the pool or the it being indoor is not 02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:46.296 going to happen. The whole thing is 02:01:46.320 --> 02:01:48.456 contingent on Bangador actually 02:01:48.480 --> 02:01:49.736 expanding. I know we haven't made a 02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:52.296 decision yet on on the future of the 02:01:52.320 --> 02:01:54.856 pipeline if that progresses but new 02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:56.936 things infrastructure of this cost don't 02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:58.536 happen. Council doesn't pay for it out 02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:00.456 of its reserves. Developers pay for it 02:02:00.480 --> 02:02:01.655 or the state and federal government 02:02:01.679 --> 02:02:03.095 does. The state and federal government 02:02:03.119 --> 02:02:05.175 both know this is high priority for us. 02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:07.736 We hope that we see commitments from a 02:02:07.760 --> 02:02:10.456 state and federal member towards 02:02:10.480 --> 02:02:12.856 the funding of the pool, but I honestly 02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:15.736 think um developer contributions is 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:17.256 going to play a massive part in the 02:02:17.280 --> 02:02:19.575 development of this facility. I can't 02:02:19.599 --> 02:02:22.599 support taking $5 million out of our 02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:26.760 not significant unreserved cash 02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:29.175 for this project. And I'll ask for 02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:32.199 further comments. Council Wilson. 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:33.976 thank you, Mayor. I'm just going to 02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:35.816 support you in that. And I suspect 02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:37.336 even if councils vote for it, they're 02:02:37.360 --> 02:02:38.856 probably not really being serious 02:02:38.880 --> 02:02:41.880 considering we're in a 1.9 million 02:02:42.400 --> 02:02:45.400 deficit. we've got 11 and nearly $12 02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:48.056 million worth of sorry 11.5 million 02:02:48.080 --> 02:02:50.135 worth of principal interest loans um 02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:52.456 that we're meeting. And that is after 02:02:52.480 --> 02:02:54.776 we've been through an SRV process that 02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:56.776 councils around this table attacked 02:02:56.800 --> 02:02:58.376 others on and others actually voted 02:02:58.400 --> 02:03:00.856 against it. So I find it quite, you 02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:02.695 know, almost fanciful that we're having 02:03:02.719 --> 02:03:04.456 this conversation by some people putting 02:03:04.480 --> 02:03:06.615 forward that actually wouldn't even have 02:03:06.639 --> 02:03:07.896 us in this financial position where 02:03:07.920 --> 02:03:09.496 we're sustainable. So it's it's a bit 02:03:09.520 --> 02:03:11.416 frustrating, but we are where we are. 02:03:11.440 --> 02:03:12.536 and they're just representing the 02:03:12.560 --> 02:03:15.336 community. So that said, pools are 02:03:15.360 --> 02:03:18.360 a hot topic. GM Ryan will know we 02:03:18.880 --> 02:03:20.536 visited South Jer the other day and it 02:03:20.560 --> 02:03:21.896 was around and council Willis was as 02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:24.215 well got a bit heated at the community 02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:25.416 meeting when they talked about whether 02:03:25.440 --> 02:03:26.456 they're going to get a pool in their 02:03:26.480 --> 02:03:27.816 aquatic zone and they thought they were 02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:30.536 getting a pool and um and I think the 02:03:30.560 --> 02:03:32.215 answer will end up being where there 02:03:32.239 --> 02:03:33.496 state government money and federal 02:03:33.520 --> 02:03:34.456 government money and develop 02:03:34.480 --> 02:03:35.896 contributions then we're obviously there 02:03:35.920 --> 02:03:38.296 to help run pools and get them up and 02:03:38.320 --> 02:03:40.215 running and be part of the partnership 02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:41.575 but we don't have the capital 02:03:41.599 --> 02:03:43.896 particularly just out of cash reserves 02:03:43.920 --> 02:03:45.336 to do such big things. So, I really 02:03:45.360 --> 02:03:46.695 appreciate the community's drive in this 02:03:46.719 --> 02:03:48.536 one. , and we're here to work with 02:03:48.560 --> 02:03:50.215 you, but we don't have the capital given 02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:52.135 our financial position after we've gone 02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:53.896 through an SRV even to do this 02:03:53.920 --> 02:03:55.655 particular ask. Thank you. 02:03:55.679 --> 02:03:58.536 Thank you, Councelor McDonald. 02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:01.016 Yeah. Um, oh, someone else having a go 02:04:01.040 --> 02:04:03.095 who has not had a go. I'm happy. Look, 02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:06.119 um I I don't know whether anyone's had 02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:08.456 something funny to eat in the break or 02:04:08.480 --> 02:04:09.736 something like that, but wanting to sort 02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:12.056 of niggle at people's motives and and 02:04:12.080 --> 02:04:14.135 and get into the politics of it, I don't 02:04:14.159 --> 02:04:16.135 think is helpful for this process given 02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:19.159 the long the long 02:04:20.719 --> 02:04:23.256 standing work that um that council 02:04:23.280 --> 02:04:24.856 Preston talked about of the of the 02:04:24.880 --> 02:04:27.880 committee members. Um if I can perhaps 02:04:28.719 --> 02:04:31.719 be on that guidance of of my 02:04:32.080 --> 02:04:35.080 colleague not so bleak um 02:04:36.880 --> 02:04:39.880 this should not um I'm going to just 02:04:41.280 --> 02:04:44.280 sniffing the air on this 02:04:44.320 --> 02:04:47.320 any decision not to fund this should 02:04:48.080 --> 02:04:50.615 and I hope does not deter the community 02:04:50.639 --> 02:04:53.639 from their efforts. they are valid 02:04:55.119 --> 02:04:58.119 efforts. It has been good work. and 02:04:58.159 --> 02:05:00.615 it should not be seen if indeed this 02:05:00.639 --> 02:05:02.296 council does not vote to progress this 02:05:02.320 --> 02:05:05.095 matter that this council does not 02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:07.896 support Bangor nor the project. 02:05:07.920 --> 02:05:10.456 Y absolutely agreed. Is there further 02:05:10.480 --> 02:05:11.896 discussion before we put to a vote? 02:05:11.920 --> 02:05:13.336 We'll put it to a vote. All those in 02:05:13.360 --> 02:05:16.360 favor that is a no. The next item is 02:05:18.560 --> 02:05:20.695 number 31 which is a new footpath 02:05:20.719 --> 02:05:23.256 request. Redwood footpath. Did you want 02:05:23.280 --> 02:05:24.536 to speak to this one, Councelor Wilson? 02:05:24.560 --> 02:05:26.615 Yeah, I will. This is a a Jerro Bombber 02:05:26.639 --> 02:05:29.639 Resident Association one. 02:05:31.599 --> 02:05:33.655 it is a it is a it is on our list, but 02:05:33.679 --> 02:05:35.736 it's not a priority. and I don't 02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:38.296 think I'll be voting for it. the JRA 02:05:38.320 --> 02:05:40.615 may be disappointed to hear that. but 02:05:40.639 --> 02:05:43.639 I will just park on notice that maybe 02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:46.376 the GM could we are advancing the Jerot 02:05:46.400 --> 02:05:49.400 traffic campaign. I know there's a 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:51.256 hard deadline I think on June 27 for 02:05:51.280 --> 02:05:53.736 that money to be spent. We've endorsed 02:05:53.760 --> 02:05:56.760 the the the tender minus um the 02:05:57.679 --> 02:06:00.615 chicanees on budel street. so there 02:06:00.639 --> 02:06:02.056 could be some underpins there. I think 02:06:02.080 --> 02:06:03.816 this is worth coming back to and 02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:05.256 talking to J in that sense. That might 02:06:05.280 --> 02:06:06.456 be something. Thank you may 02:06:06.480 --> 02:06:07.655 thank you. Is there further discussion 02:06:07.679 --> 02:06:09.655 on this one? We'll put it to a vote. All 02:06:09.679 --> 02:06:12.376 those in favor that's a no. The next 02:06:12.400 --> 02:06:14.536 item is the Bangador Seniors Association 02:06:14.560 --> 02:06:16.615 and Queen Bean Senior Citizens 02:06:16.639 --> 02:06:18.536 Association. and the 35k for senior 02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:20.456 focused events and programs. Council 02:06:20.480 --> 02:06:22.215 McDonald 02:06:22.239 --> 02:06:25.239 um I think it was last meeting of 02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:27.175 ordinary meeting of council where I 02:06:27.199 --> 02:06:30.199 spoke about the um committees post um 02:06:31.520 --> 02:06:34.520 seniors events discussion and just 02:06:35.520 --> 02:06:37.816 how successful they were with how 02:06:37.840 --> 02:06:40.840 frankly little they had and topic of 02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:43.960 that discussion was we missed out on 02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:47.079 doing X, we missed out on doing Y. um we 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:49.736 you know know what we could do and 02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:51.896 certainly in the development of the 02:06:51.920 --> 02:06:54.456 of the seniors festival there was a 02:06:54.480 --> 02:06:57.095 lot which was foregone. and one thing 02:06:57.119 --> 02:06:59.976 which really stuck in my cruel was that 02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:03.000 um what we for went in in the program 02:07:04.239 --> 02:07:07.239 was um transport options for many people 02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:10.536 in the villages and the outer areas to 02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:13.336 get to these events. um seniors who were 02:07:13.360 --> 02:07:16.360 less mobile. and we didn't do that in 02:07:16.560 --> 02:07:19.560 many in many events and that um that was 02:07:19.599 --> 02:07:21.095 disappointing. 02:07:21.119 --> 02:07:24.119 Um this, you know, notwithstanding my 02:07:24.239 --> 02:07:27.175 earlier nonprecedential 02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:29.896 comments as a tip of my hat to 02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:32.920 Wilson, um um 02:07:33.440 --> 02:07:35.336 look, 02:07:35.360 --> 02:07:38.296 this is in effect an admission of a cost 02:07:38.320 --> 02:07:41.320 shift and and the state government 02:07:42.400 --> 02:07:45.400 package for the state is measly and 02:07:47.119 --> 02:07:49.655 and and meager 02:07:49.679 --> 02:07:52.679 um and misely do um and absolutely 02:07:54.320 --> 02:07:55.976 inadequate. We're not going to get 02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:59.000 funding to to deliver for you know more 02:07:59.520 --> 02:08:02.520 than sort of more than a a third of the 02:08:03.360 --> 02:08:06.360 of our local population 02:08:06.480 --> 02:08:09.480 from the state. I think this is a 02:08:10.159 --> 02:08:13.159 reasonable request to um to um to 02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:17.800 provide for that noting that this would 02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:20.135 have an expectation of continuity into 02:08:20.159 --> 02:08:22.376 the future budgets. 02:08:22.400 --> 02:08:24.135 Thank you councelor McDonald. Before I 02:08:24.159 --> 02:08:26.536 go to councelor Willis, so we see the 02:08:26.560 --> 02:08:28.456 comment from staff there that the amount 02:08:28.480 --> 02:08:29.976 requested I think is not actually going 02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:31.896 to cover all of the things that they 02:08:31.920 --> 02:08:33.736 would like to do. I think if this does 02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:35.256 get support, I think the expectation is 02:08:35.280 --> 02:08:37.336 that we talk to them if this funding is 02:08:37.360 --> 02:08:39.336 available and then they prioritize what 02:08:39.360 --> 02:08:41.095 what they want to do with it. I think it 02:08:41.119 --> 02:08:43.736 would be the direction from from 02:08:43.760 --> 02:08:45.736 councils if it's supported. Councelor 02:08:45.760 --> 02:08:47.016 Willis, 02:08:47.040 --> 02:08:49.816 thank you. We organize seniors events 02:08:49.840 --> 02:08:51.575 in a number of centers, not only 02:08:51.599 --> 02:08:54.599 Bangodor. , I would prefer to see this 02:08:54.719 --> 02:08:57.719 request , be rolled into the work 02:08:57.760 --> 02:08:59.816 staff have confirmed they're doing to 02:08:59.840 --> 02:09:02.776 develop an event strategy and get a a 02:09:02.800 --> 02:09:05.496 sense of all of the activities that 02:09:05.520 --> 02:09:06.936 people might want and what we're 02:09:06.960 --> 02:09:09.960 actually able to finance and and also in 02:09:10.639 --> 02:09:12.296 some cases there may be matching 02:09:12.320 --> 02:09:14.776 funding. So I won't be supporting it not 02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:16.456 because I don't support seniors events 02:09:16.480 --> 02:09:18.456 but I want I guess it's a bit more um, 02:09:18.480 --> 02:09:20.615 what's the word? I can't wiggle. Yes, 02:09:20.639 --> 02:09:22.215 thank you. Applied to it. 02:09:22.239 --> 02:09:24.296 Thank you, councelor Willis. Is there 02:09:24.320 --> 02:09:27.320 councelor Grandy? Then council McDonald. 02:09:27.679 --> 02:09:29.416 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. 02:09:29.440 --> 02:09:31.336 Mayor. , look, just a couple of 02:09:31.360 --> 02:09:34.215 things. , 35,000 02:09:34.239 --> 02:09:37.239 um we have over 30% um in our community 02:09:38.480 --> 02:09:41.480 seniors. Something that has just stuck 02:09:41.679 --> 02:09:44.679 in my mind um over the last 6 months was 02:09:45.199 --> 02:09:48.055 a comment made by um one of the one of 02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:50.456 our very active and older seniors. I 02:09:50.480 --> 02:09:52.695 believe she's 93 02:09:52.719 --> 02:09:55.719 was that she feels invisible in this 02:09:56.400 --> 02:09:59.175 local government area and that has stuck 02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:02.199 with me. So I'm really behind this 100%. 02:10:03.360 --> 02:10:05.575 The sorts of things that this money can 02:10:05.599 --> 02:10:08.599 do are things like seminars on online 02:10:09.440 --> 02:10:12.440 safety, isolation, connectivity, 02:10:12.960 --> 02:10:15.095 combating loneliness, 02:10:15.119 --> 02:10:18.119 um um connection with each other, 02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:21.800 picnics, scon, and cups of tea. These 02:10:21.840 --> 02:10:24.135 might sound pretty basic to those of us 02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:27.159 that have very different lives. Um but 02:10:27.679 --> 02:10:29.655 they're they're very important for our 02:10:29.679 --> 02:10:32.615 seniors. And it really really saddens me 02:10:32.639 --> 02:10:35.639 that they feel invisible. So I I I would 02:10:37.920 --> 02:10:40.456 be asking perhaps for us to look at 02:10:40.480 --> 02:10:43.336 40,000 because that allows us to spread 02:10:43.360 --> 02:10:46.360 things a little better across um three 02:10:46.400 --> 02:10:49.400 if not four um villages where our 02:10:50.480 --> 02:10:53.480 seniors um have um structured groups 02:10:55.280 --> 02:10:58.280 and allows them to step out and beyond 02:10:58.719 --> 02:11:01.095 what they did this year with two week 02:11:01.119 --> 02:11:04.119 two weeks of a festival. They went boot 02:11:04.159 --> 02:11:06.376 scooting and it was marvelous. It was 02:11:06.400 --> 02:11:08.536 really great. And I'd like to think, you 02:11:08.560 --> 02:11:10.776 know, we're a local government area that 02:11:10.800 --> 02:11:13.095 really looks after our seniors. , and 02:11:13.119 --> 02:11:16.119 I think, you know, perhaps 40,000 um 02:11:16.400 --> 02:11:19.400 would be a good way of showing that. 02:11:19.520 --> 02:11:22.520 Thank you. Is there C McDonald? 02:11:22.639 --> 02:11:24.776 Oh, look, um, I I think I may have 02:11:24.800 --> 02:11:26.376 perhaps misheard, but I think there was 02:11:26.400 --> 02:11:27.896 a comment earlier about, you know, this 02:11:27.920 --> 02:11:30.135 being, you know, limited to or specific 02:11:30.159 --> 02:11:32.296 to Bangor. I should just hasten to add 02:11:32.320 --> 02:11:34.936 this is across the LGA. the 02:11:34.960 --> 02:11:37.960 proponents who have put forward their 02:11:38.000 --> 02:11:41.000 their request to councilors um represent 02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:44.135 the the Queen Vinc seniors and and the 02:11:44.159 --> 02:11:46.536 Bangador seniors, but it's certainly I 02:11:46.560 --> 02:11:48.536 would expect a bit more of a united 02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:51.416 voice um than that. 02:11:51.440 --> 02:11:52.695 Okay, if there's nothing further, we'll 02:11:52.719 --> 02:11:55.095 put that one to the vote. All in favor, 02:11:55.119 --> 02:11:58.119 that's a yes. The next is Bangador 02:11:59.199 --> 02:12:01.575 Seniors Association and Queen Senior 02:12:01.599 --> 02:12:03.496 Citizens for funding for council develop 02:12:03.520 --> 02:12:06.376 and implement a positive aging strategy. 02:12:06.400 --> 02:12:08.135 Did anyone want to speak to this item 02:12:08.159 --> 02:12:10.615 councilors? Councelor Schwit. 02:12:10.639 --> 02:12:12.456 Yeah, I'll be supporting this. I'm a 02:12:12.480 --> 02:12:14.296 little bit cons I think it's a little 02:12:14.320 --> 02:12:16.055 bit rude to consider um age and 02:12:16.079 --> 02:12:17.976 disability in the same breath. Um age 02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:20.215 and disability are mutually exclusive. 02:12:20.239 --> 02:12:22.776 So, um, a positive aging strategy is 02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:23.976 something that a lot of councils do 02:12:24.000 --> 02:12:25.655 actually have and not part of the 02:12:25.679 --> 02:12:27.496 disability acts inclusion plan either. 02:12:27.520 --> 02:12:30.135 So, um, if we actually did this, then 02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:32.615 next time we get a request for 35,000, 02:12:32.639 --> 02:12:34.615 we actually might have a more structured 02:12:34.639 --> 02:12:36.856 and focused approach to what we can do 02:12:36.880 --> 02:12:39.736 with that money. So, be supporting that. 02:12:39.760 --> 02:12:41.655 Council McDonald, 02:12:41.679 --> 02:12:43.336 um, I think councelor Schwiker hit the 02:12:43.360 --> 02:12:45.095 right nail on the head there. Um they 02:12:45.119 --> 02:12:47.575 are um they do they different groups 02:12:47.599 --> 02:12:50.135 with very different um needs. Um 02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:52.456 chairing both committees I I I hear very 02:12:52.480 --> 02:12:54.456 different things from from both the 02:12:54.480 --> 02:12:55.896 disability committee or disability 02:12:55.920 --> 02:12:57.655 access committee and the seniors 02:12:57.679 --> 02:12:59.655 advisory committee. One of the first 02:12:59.679 --> 02:13:02.055 meetings I had, I think it was the first 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:04.135 meeting I had with, you know, someone in 02:13:04.159 --> 02:13:05.976 an official capacity, , when I was 02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:07.896 first elected was, um, the former age 02:13:07.920 --> 02:13:09.736 discrimination, now former age 02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:11.896 discrimination commissioner, , Kay 02:13:11.920 --> 02:13:14.135 Patterson. And she sat me down in the 02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:16.376 cafe and said, "Well, what does your 02:13:16.400 --> 02:13:19.400 strategy say?" , and I said, "Well, we 02:13:20.320 --> 02:13:21.575 don't have one, I don't believe." And 02:13:21.599 --> 02:13:22.856 she said, "Well, what does your senior 02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:24.456 committee have to say about it?" I said, 02:13:24.480 --> 02:13:26.376 "Well, we don't have one." and she sort 02:13:26.400 --> 02:13:29.016 of blanked from that point and I went 02:13:29.040 --> 02:13:30.215 all right well I'll try and do the first 02:13:30.239 --> 02:13:31.896 thing I'll try and get the the the 02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:34.456 committee up and going so there we you 02:13:34.480 --> 02:13:36.215 know that's the rest is history there 02:13:36.239 --> 02:13:37.896 and I think this is the next important 02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:40.920 point this is not a a study for today 02:13:42.079 --> 02:13:44.135 this is a study for the future because 02:13:44.159 --> 02:13:46.936 we are and you know um God willing that 02:13:46.960 --> 02:13:49.960 that we all get an opportunity to age um 02:13:50.400 --> 02:13:51.575 this is something which is going to 02:13:51.599 --> 02:13:53.336 affect us but it's affecting people in 02:13:53.360 --> 02:13:55.336 our community now and it represents a 02:13:55.360 --> 02:13:58.360 really large and growing proportion 02:13:58.480 --> 02:14:01.256 of our Australian and local population. 02:14:01.280 --> 02:14:02.776 We've got to be set up for this kind of 02:14:02.800 --> 02:14:04.215 thing. It's not something we can just 02:14:04.239 --> 02:14:06.055 fly by the seat of our pants and hope 02:14:06.079 --> 02:14:09.079 happens organically. So happy to support 02:14:09.280 --> 02:14:10.615 this bid. 02:14:10.639 --> 02:14:12.456 Okay. And just a comment from me before 02:14:12.480 --> 02:14:14.615 I go to other council. So staff made it 02:14:14.639 --> 02:14:16.135 quite clear they don't have capacity to 02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:17.976 deliver this by the date that's being 02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:19.816 requested. 02:14:19.840 --> 02:14:22.840 is will the $100,000 02:14:23.360 --> 02:14:24.856 basically employ another person to 02:14:24.880 --> 02:14:26.695 assist to get that done? Is that where 02:14:26.719 --> 02:14:28.456 the figures come up or we saying even 02:14:28.480 --> 02:14:31.256 with the $100,000 it's not feasible to 02:14:31.280 --> 02:14:34.135 have the work done by January next year? 02:14:34.159 --> 02:14:37.095 This one for Miss Richards. 02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:38.776 through you Mr. Mayor. It could be 02:14:38.800 --> 02:14:40.615 done by a consultant which I believe is 02:14:40.639 --> 02:14:43.256 what the 100,000 was referring to. 02:14:43.280 --> 02:14:45.416 However, we have a very small community 02:14:45.440 --> 02:14:47.416 development team who are focusing on 02:14:47.440 --> 02:14:50.376 getting the outcomes of the 02:14:50.400 --> 02:14:53.400 accessibility um audits and also the 02:14:53.920 --> 02:14:56.456 disability inclusion action plan. So, 02:14:56.480 --> 02:14:58.615 they h in addition to their current 02:14:58.639 --> 02:15:00.615 workload. So, they're just saying that 02:15:00.639 --> 02:15:02.536 they don't have the capacity to add this 02:15:02.560 --> 02:15:04.776 in this financial year. 02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:07.095 Okay. Thank you, Councelor Willis. 02:15:07.119 --> 02:15:09.016 thanks. I was going to ask where the 02:15:09.040 --> 02:15:11.976 the dollar figure came from. um noting 02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:13.976 that yes, disability and aging are very 02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:17.000 different. There is some crossover in in 02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:20.119 a number of people's lives. I 02:15:20.239 --> 02:15:21.655 would rather we've been waiting for the 02:15:21.679 --> 02:15:23.496 disability inclusion action plan for a 02:15:23.520 --> 02:15:25.496 while and I would rather see that 02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:28.520 finalized and see what it has to say 02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:30.936 about aging and then think about the 02:15:30.960 --> 02:15:33.816 scope of a positive aging strategy. It's 02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:35.496 the first time I've been presented with 02:15:35.520 --> 02:15:38.215 the idea. there's no background 02:15:38.239 --> 02:15:40.456 except for the letter from the seniors 02:15:40.480 --> 02:15:42.536 groups. I'd be I'd be wanting to see 02:15:42.560 --> 02:15:45.095 what have other councils done. We have 02:15:45.119 --> 02:15:47.416 some particular characteristics of 02:15:47.440 --> 02:15:50.296 our LGA um which councelor McDonald 02:15:50.320 --> 02:15:52.695 spoke to which is older people in 02:15:52.719 --> 02:15:54.296 villages where there is no public 02:15:54.320 --> 02:15:55.896 transport and maybe mobility is a 02:15:55.920 --> 02:15:58.135 problem. So I I think it's a piece of 02:15:58.159 --> 02:16:00.856 work that is worth doing but I would 02:16:00.880 --> 02:16:03.095 be more inclined to fund it the 02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:05.336 following financial year or if we find 02:16:05.360 --> 02:16:08.360 we have capacity and funding but I would 02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:11.336 want to have a better idea of what we're 02:16:11.360 --> 02:16:14.360 going to get from this project um before 02:16:14.960 --> 02:16:17.336 I'll commit to yeah before I'm prepared 02:16:17.360 --> 02:16:19.496 to support it now. 02:16:19.520 --> 02:16:21.336 Thank you councelor Willis. Further 02:16:21.360 --> 02:16:24.296 discussion? 02:16:24.320 --> 02:16:26.376 No. Yes. council. 02:16:26.400 --> 02:16:28.615 Um I was just gathering my thoughts. Um 02:16:28.639 --> 02:16:31.639 just a point um councelor Schwikett 02:16:32.240 --> 02:16:35.240 might might recall that I believe it was 02:16:35.519 --> 02:16:38.136 the Bangador town and environs committee 02:16:38.160 --> 02:16:41.160 that had um they do have a document in 02:16:41.280 --> 02:16:44.280 their possession from Western 02:16:44.319 --> 02:16:46.455 Australia where they had already done 02:16:46.479 --> 02:16:49.256 this and it was rather substantial and 02:16:49.280 --> 02:16:52.280 comprehensive and it might be worth um 02:16:52.479 --> 02:16:54.936 speaking to someone there from from 02:16:54.960 --> 02:16:56.776 that group because it was a really 02:16:56.800 --> 02:16:58.776 impressive document and I'd hate to 02:16:58.800 --> 02:17:01.335 think we just replicate ideas that are 02:17:01.359 --> 02:17:03.495 already out there. 02:17:03.519 --> 02:17:05.655 yeah, I can access that, but who 02:17:05.679 --> 02:17:07.096 would I guess that Mrs. Richards would 02:17:07.120 --> 02:17:08.936 be the one to to get that. I understand 02:17:08.960 --> 02:17:10.615 Winder Caribbe has a good one at the 02:17:10.639 --> 02:17:13.415 moment, too, which um would you 02:17:13.439 --> 02:17:15.575 plagiarism in government service is the 02:17:15.599 --> 02:17:18.599 highest form of flattery. So, 02:17:19.599 --> 02:17:21.256 is there any further discussion on this 02:17:21.280 --> 02:17:22.776 one? If not, we'll put it to a vote. All 02:17:22.800 --> 02:17:24.936 those in favor 02:17:24.960 --> 02:17:27.960 that say yes. The next one I don't think 02:17:28.080 --> 02:17:30.056 we need to debate is the cost effective 02:17:30.080 --> 02:17:31.415 basketball hoops. I think staff is 02:17:31.439 --> 02:17:33.736 saying that's already included. So we 02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:35.736 can go to the next one which is Queenium 02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:38.056 Basketball Assoc Association. So this is 02:17:38.080 --> 02:17:40.216 a $200,000 02:17:40.240 --> 02:17:42.936 request. So I'm happy just to to talk 02:17:42.960 --> 02:17:44.776 to this one quickly. We heard from 02:17:44.800 --> 02:17:47.736 the presenter tonight. as with every 02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:50.455 project, as we all know, best 02:17:50.479 --> 02:17:52.936 intentions, costs have gone up. They're 02:17:52.960 --> 02:17:54.375 doing their best to to get something 02:17:54.399 --> 02:17:56.375 delivered. They have gone to the state 02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:58.936 government who 02:17:58.960 --> 02:18:00.535 basically all we'd be agreeing to is 02:18:00.559 --> 02:18:02.136 that if the state government does kick 02:18:02.160 --> 02:18:04.136 in that extra 450 that we will 02:18:04.160 --> 02:18:06.216 contribute 200 as well so they can 02:18:06.240 --> 02:18:07.816 finish off this project. We just said 02:18:07.840 --> 02:18:10.840 yes to $100,000 for a um a a half court 02:18:11.439 --> 02:18:13.575 out of Wboy which is great. This is 02:18:13.599 --> 02:18:16.535 $200,000 to finish off the epicenter of 02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:19.559 basketball in the Queen region. It 02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:21.816 hasn't had a significant upgrade for 02:18:21.840 --> 02:18:23.415 ever in a day. I think they said 50 02:18:23.439 --> 02:18:25.016 years ago it was built. So, I think it 02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:26.695 just makes sense that we say yes to this 02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:28.615 and hope that they do get the approval 02:18:28.639 --> 02:18:30.535 for the other 450 and they can finally 02:18:30.559 --> 02:18:32.936 finish off this project. Further 02:18:32.960 --> 02:18:34.856 speakers? 02:18:34.880 --> 02:18:36.455 If not, I'll put it to a vote. All those 02:18:36.479 --> 02:18:39.479 in favor, that's a yes. 02:18:39.920 --> 02:18:42.920 36 is the section 355 Brawood Common 02:18:44.479 --> 02:18:47.256 Committee repair of the wombat damage. 02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:50.056 Is this one for you, Councelor Willis? 02:18:50.080 --> 02:18:53.080 , yes. Um, I I'm confused by this sum 02:18:53.439 --> 02:18:56.375 of money because I don't see how 02:18:56.399 --> 02:18:59.399 $1,200 is going to fix the partic that 02:18:59.760 --> 02:19:01.736 particular spot. There's a few path 02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:04.760 issues. So, I don't know if um yeah, I 02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:09.639 it seems to me this funding number is 02:19:10.000 --> 02:19:13.000 referring to the money that all the 02:19:13.280 --> 02:19:15.736 section 355 committees were able to 02:19:15.760 --> 02:19:17.575 access. 02:19:17.599 --> 02:19:19.096 Um, 02:19:19.120 --> 02:19:22.120 it is. Yeah. Okay. Um, so it's not 02:19:23.120 --> 02:19:25.816 actually an a bid because we already 02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:28.840 have the money in the budget. 02:19:29.679 --> 02:19:31.256 Three, Mr. May, I thought they put in a 02:19:31.280 --> 02:19:33.335 request. The notes refer to the funding 02:19:33.359 --> 02:19:36.359 that they received um for the last few 02:19:37.359 --> 02:19:40.295 years as part of the section 35 funding 02:19:40.319 --> 02:19:41.816 grants that you have available. So, 02:19:41.840 --> 02:19:43.415 they'll be eligible to apply for that 02:19:43.439 --> 02:19:46.439 again next financial year. 02:19:47.120 --> 02:19:50.120 Yeah. , I think this can be withdrawn 02:19:50.160 --> 02:19:50.696 actually. 02:19:50.720 --> 02:19:53.656 Yep. Okay, withdrawn. Next one is 02:19:53.680 --> 02:19:55.896 section 355 Braidwood Common Committee 02:19:55.920 --> 02:19:58.536 $10,000 for urgent remedial work. 02:19:58.560 --> 02:19:59.816 Councelor Willis, 02:19:59.840 --> 02:20:02.616 so there is a serious problem with the 02:20:02.640 --> 02:20:05.640 the common footpath. Um, and it will 02:20:05.840 --> 02:20:08.455 need the committee has spoken to council 02:20:08.479 --> 02:20:11.096 staff. It will need some major work. , 02:20:11.120 --> 02:20:13.256 but what this money is for is to make it 02:20:13.280 --> 02:20:16.280 safe for people to use. Um so um yes 02:20:17.200 --> 02:20:20.200 I'll be asking councilors to 02:20:20.240 --> 02:20:23.176 support this. Um thanks. 02:20:23.200 --> 02:20:25.096 Okay discussion on this one. Council 02:20:25.120 --> 02:20:26.136 Waterhouse. 02:20:26.160 --> 02:20:28.536 I would support this one too. It's it is 02:20:28.560 --> 02:20:31.560 a wellused path and it it's a it's 02:20:32.560 --> 02:20:34.776 a a bit dangerous. We my wife and I went 02:20:34.800 --> 02:20:37.335 along it just a few weeks ago and um and 02:20:37.359 --> 02:20:39.576 it's it's not what it was and I think 02:20:39.600 --> 02:20:41.976 that would be money well spent. 02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:43.576 Thank you. Councelor Wilson. 02:20:43.600 --> 02:20:45.096 Yeah. Mayor, can we just get quickly 02:20:45.120 --> 02:20:46.536 staff? Is that going to be enough funds 02:20:46.560 --> 02:20:48.056 considering the cost? I know it's only 02:20:48.080 --> 02:20:49.896 repairs of an older path, but it does 02:20:49.920 --> 02:20:52.536 seem a bit light on for anything to do 02:20:52.560 --> 02:20:53.896 with concrete. 02:20:53.920 --> 02:20:54.936 Miss Richards. 02:20:54.960 --> 02:20:57.576 through you, M. May. I'm not sure 02:20:57.600 --> 02:21:00.056 who put this bid in. It's the gravel 02:21:00.080 --> 02:21:03.080 path that keeps getting washed away. So, 02:21:03.120 --> 02:21:06.120 I would need to refer to my engineering 02:21:06.560 --> 02:21:09.560 counterparts to check on that amount. 02:21:11.439 --> 02:21:14.375 Okay. So what's the best way forward GM 02:21:14.399 --> 02:21:16.216 to vote on the 10,000 but if the staff 02:21:16.240 --> 02:21:17.415 can come back say we've looked at it 02:21:17.439 --> 02:21:18.616 it's actually going to cost 02:21:18.640 --> 02:21:20.375 significantly more council that can then 02:21:20.399 --> 02:21:22.856 make a decision on how to proceed. 02:21:22.880 --> 02:21:24.216 It's up to you Mr. Mayor how you want to 02:21:24.240 --> 02:21:25.656 put it in. 02:21:25.680 --> 02:21:27.816 Okay. Councelor Willis. I'm pretty 02:21:27.840 --> 02:21:30.840 sure that they have scoped this. So it's 02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:34.120 it's it is a um like a a fix until work 02:21:36.560 --> 02:21:39.496 we can actually design and work out how 02:21:39.520 --> 02:21:42.216 to fund a long-term solution. 02:21:42.240 --> 02:21:44.375 Okay. Is there further discussion? We'll 02:21:44.399 --> 02:21:47.176 vote on this one. All in favor? That's a 02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:50.200 yes. The next one doesn't need to be 02:21:50.960 --> 02:21:53.176 debated. Is that right? 02:21:53.200 --> 02:21:54.696 That's correct. Although as I said 02:21:54.720 --> 02:21:57.656 earlier um you know the there's no 02:21:57.680 --> 02:22:00.056 indication of how much time staff can 02:22:00.080 --> 02:22:01.816 allocate to this work. It is a very 02:22:01.840 --> 02:22:03.896 large area. So it's I think it's 02:22:03.920 --> 02:22:05.896 important that the staff talk to the 02:22:05.920 --> 02:22:08.216 committee members about what they can 02:22:08.240 --> 02:22:10.056 offer and whether it's going to be 02:22:10.080 --> 02:22:13.080 sufficient $5,000 in I think 02:22:14.640 --> 02:22:16.776 they did but the the staff comment is 02:22:16.800 --> 02:22:18.696 it's not necessary because the staff can 02:22:18.720 --> 02:22:20.936 do the work. 02:22:20.960 --> 02:22:22.856 Okay, let's go to the next item which 02:22:22.880 --> 02:22:24.696 again I don't think we need to debate 02:22:24.720 --> 02:22:27.415 debate on because I think the work is 02:22:27.439 --> 02:22:29.496 underway the discussions to move that 02:22:29.520 --> 02:22:32.056 from the progress association over to 02:22:32.080 --> 02:22:34.216 council. So we can move over to the next 02:22:34.240 --> 02:22:37.240 one number 40 which is a BCA 02:22:37.359 --> 02:22:40.056 accessibility and pedestrian safety 02:22:40.080 --> 02:22:43.080 access from foot paths. 02:22:44.479 --> 02:22:46.536 Yes 02:22:46.560 --> 02:22:47.576 Waterhouse. 02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:49.656 Thank you very much. the BCA is 02:22:49.680 --> 02:22:52.536 pretty keen on um moving this forward, 02:22:52.560 --> 02:22:55.560 but I noticed there's no funding or 02:22:55.680 --> 02:22:58.536 dollar fitted to that. Um I think it's 02:22:58.560 --> 02:23:01.496 relying um very much on um being a part 02:23:01.520 --> 02:23:04.136 of the management plan which is 02:23:04.160 --> 02:23:06.696 included in the budget. So, I don't know 02:23:06.720 --> 02:23:08.696 um if if it needs to be funded 02:23:08.720 --> 02:23:10.776 separately or whether that's already a 02:23:10.800 --> 02:23:13.736 part of it, but um they've sent us an 02:23:13.760 --> 02:23:16.760 extensive um document um with with their 02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:21.399 suggestions. Um so, I'd recommend this, 02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:25.319 but it's it's all to be confirmed. So, 02:23:25.680 --> 02:23:28.455 hopefully over the next little while. 02:23:28.479 --> 02:23:29.736 Yeah. So I don't think we need to vote 02:23:29.760 --> 02:23:30.936 on this one, but it would be good to 02:23:30.960 --> 02:23:33.960 know for counselors what they have asked 02:23:34.080 --> 02:23:37.080 for what is actually included in the to 02:23:37.200 --> 02:23:39.736 be paid for in the um in the PAMP or in 02:23:39.760 --> 02:23:41.335 the priorities in there. We need 02:23:41.359 --> 02:23:42.536 Yeah. the specifics. 02:23:42.560 --> 02:23:43.736 Yeah. 02:23:43.760 --> 02:23:45.496 Okay. 02:23:45.520 --> 02:23:46.295 C Willis. 02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:48.136 they did ask me just to ask this 02:23:48.160 --> 02:23:50.455 question. There's an AC accessibility 02:23:50.479 --> 02:23:53.479 audit was conducted last year and um 02:23:54.800 --> 02:23:56.696 what they're wanting to know is whether 02:23:56.720 --> 02:23:59.256 the the actions that they requested in 02:23:59.280 --> 02:24:01.736 it what what it's actually found and 02:24:01.760 --> 02:24:03.496 when the report might come to council. 02:24:03.520 --> 02:24:05.976 It's related to these pavement problems 02:24:06.000 --> 02:24:07.736 that they've asked about for a few 02:24:07.760 --> 02:24:10.616 years. So when might we see the output 02:24:10.640 --> 02:24:13.415 of the report? 02:24:13.439 --> 02:24:14.696 Miss Richards. 02:24:14.720 --> 02:24:17.096 the report has been completed so that 02:24:17.120 --> 02:24:20.120 can come to council at the next meeting. 02:24:20.399 --> 02:24:21.576 You 02:24:21.600 --> 02:24:24.056 okay so we can move on to 41 which is 02:24:24.080 --> 02:24:25.816 captain's flat strategic infrastructure 02:24:25.840 --> 02:24:27.176 plan. 02:24:27.200 --> 02:24:28.455 Did council want to talk to this one? 02:24:28.479 --> 02:24:29.415 Councelor Willis. 02:24:29.439 --> 02:24:32.295 yes. I'd like to support this. Um I 02:24:32.319 --> 02:24:34.696 think Miss Pavlovich explained that this 02:24:34.720 --> 02:24:37.656 is a a basically a community driven 02:24:37.680 --> 02:24:39.576 initiative. the work that they've done 02:24:39.600 --> 02:24:41.415 and it's building on a relationship 02:24:41.439 --> 02:24:43.816 they've had for some years with the 02:24:43.840 --> 02:24:46.776 university. I think the fact that the 02:24:46.800 --> 02:24:49.800 community has initiated it shows that 02:24:50.080 --> 02:24:51.896 they're commit there's a commitment to 02:24:51.920 --> 02:24:54.920 seeing things done. Um I my personal 02:24:54.960 --> 02:24:57.496 view is that things that the community 02:24:57.520 --> 02:25:00.520 has hoped for particularly given the 02:25:00.560 --> 02:25:02.295 difficulties with lead abatement have 02:25:02.319 --> 02:25:05.319 been slow in coming out there. Um and 02:25:07.040 --> 02:25:09.816 the fact that Miss Pavlovich was 02:25:09.840 --> 02:25:12.216 surprised by the staff comments and 02:25:12.240 --> 02:25:13.736 didn't know that the staff were 02:25:13.760 --> 02:25:15.976 apparently working on something similar 02:25:16.000 --> 02:25:18.696 speaks to um perhaps the need for better 02:25:18.720 --> 02:25:21.415 communication. So I actually think 02:25:21.439 --> 02:25:24.439 that this project that is proposed is 02:25:24.479 --> 02:25:26.776 worthwhile and to get the benefit of 02:25:26.800 --> 02:25:29.656 a PhD student for a relatively small sum 02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:32.680 of money, $30,000. 02:25:32.880 --> 02:25:34.136 Thank you, Council W. Councelor 02:25:34.160 --> 02:25:36.056 McDonald. 02:25:36.080 --> 02:25:38.776 Um, it shouldn't come as a surprise. I'm 02:25:38.800 --> 02:25:41.415 a big supporter of the flat and and um 02:25:41.439 --> 02:25:44.136 and I think Miss Pavle is a great 02:25:44.160 --> 02:25:47.160 advocate for a lot of work and 02:25:47.439 --> 02:25:50.439 community interest um at the flat. Um I 02:25:52.479 --> 02:25:54.616 did however in earlier correspondence 02:25:54.640 --> 02:25:57.640 just flag with um Miss Pavlovich. Um 02:25:58.800 --> 02:26:01.800 this is not entirely dissimilar to some 02:26:02.000 --> 02:26:05.000 work which I'm in the process of going 02:26:05.040 --> 02:26:07.096 through with the small business advisory 02:26:07.120 --> 02:26:10.120 committee. Um we're in discussions with 02:26:10.640 --> 02:26:13.176 the I won't name the university but a 02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:15.496 particular university in our region a 02:26:15.520 --> 02:26:18.520 national one. um and and they are 02:26:19.680 --> 02:26:22.680 they are seeking council's um 02:26:23.280 --> 02:26:26.280 partnership in um in a mast's or um a 02:26:28.640 --> 02:26:31.335 post postgrad student of some sorts PhD 02:26:31.359 --> 02:26:34.295 or or or masters student to undertake 02:26:34.319 --> 02:26:37.096 their coursework by contributing to our 02:26:37.120 --> 02:26:40.120 work and that is zero cost to council 02:26:40.319 --> 02:26:41.736 and because it's course work and they 02:26:41.760 --> 02:26:44.136 have to achieve and have to meet these 02:26:44.160 --> 02:26:46.295 some you know in in a business and 02:26:46.319 --> 02:26:49.096 there's The idea from the head of this 02:26:49.120 --> 02:26:51.896 school is that they that that the 02:26:51.920 --> 02:26:53.736 student comes and is embedded here in 02:26:53.760 --> 02:26:56.760 council and provides that service. we 02:26:57.600 --> 02:27:00.375 get a benefit, they get a a a grading on 02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:03.399 their on their assessment. Um so I like 02:27:03.760 --> 02:27:05.576 to, you know, where best we can do 02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:08.600 things sort of pro or or low bono. I 02:27:09.120 --> 02:27:11.256 don't think we've ex um you know and 02:27:11.280 --> 02:27:13.016 particularly given the um staff's 02:27:13.040 --> 02:27:15.016 comments I don't think we've really 02:27:15.040 --> 02:27:17.576 gotten to the bottom of of what is in 02:27:17.600 --> 02:27:19.176 the art of the possible with this 02:27:19.200 --> 02:27:20.856 concept. I think it's a valid concept 02:27:20.880 --> 02:27:22.776 but there's more than one ways to skin a 02:27:22.800 --> 02:27:24.776 cat. I think 02:27:24.800 --> 02:27:27.800 thank you councelor McDonald. Councelor 02:27:28.479 --> 02:27:30.776 Preston. 02:27:30.800 --> 02:27:32.295 Um 02:27:32.319 --> 02:27:35.256 I I um I I understand where where 02:27:35.280 --> 02:27:37.335 councelor McDonald is is coming from on 02:27:37.359 --> 02:27:40.359 this, but I do think there possibly 02:27:40.479 --> 02:27:42.455 what what you could get in partnership 02:27:42.479 --> 02:27:44.536 with a university, particularly somebody 02:27:44.560 --> 02:27:47.560 at a higher degree research level, um 02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:50.216 the input that that council could 02:27:50.240 --> 02:27:53.240 acquire makes this quite a a 02:27:53.520 --> 02:27:56.455 reasonable request. I I really 02:27:56.479 --> 02:27:58.856 think there the information that that 02:27:58.880 --> 02:28:01.880 that could be gleaned from that level of 02:28:03.120 --> 02:28:06.120 um higher education student or 02:28:06.399 --> 02:28:09.399 particularly a PhD student. Um it's 02:28:09.840 --> 02:28:12.375 stuff that that that council can bank 02:28:12.399 --> 02:28:14.136 later on for other projects and for 02:28:14.160 --> 02:28:15.656 other ideas. So, I think this is there's 02:28:15.680 --> 02:28:18.136 an opportunity cost here that um that 02:28:18.160 --> 02:28:20.936 that that that makes this or there's an 02:28:20.960 --> 02:28:23.096 opportunity here that makes this a a 02:28:23.120 --> 02:28:25.176 very modest sum and I'm I'm prepared to 02:28:25.200 --> 02:28:27.656 support that. Okay. Council, I'm 02:28:27.680 --> 02:28:29.256 actually going to ask staff if they want 02:28:29.280 --> 02:28:30.776 to provide a comment on this is based on 02:28:30.800 --> 02:28:32.696 the comment in there from staff 02:28:32.720 --> 02:28:34.056 basically saying we're already doing 02:28:34.080 --> 02:28:36.455 this and and the community association 02:28:36.479 --> 02:28:39.016 saying that it's not the same thing. Are 02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:42.040 we able to just clear that up? Is this 02:28:42.560 --> 02:28:44.536 one for Miss Richard or Melo? Miss 02:28:44.560 --> 02:28:45.576 Richards. 02:28:45.600 --> 02:28:47.656 through you, Mr. Mayor. I believe the 02:28:47.680 --> 02:28:49.335 comment is regarding the fact that we 02:28:49.359 --> 02:28:51.415 have developed the captain's flat pan, 02:28:51.439 --> 02:28:53.256 but I did speak to Miss Pavlovvic 02:28:53.280 --> 02:28:55.016 tonight and she assured me that this is 02:28:55.040 --> 02:28:58.040 very detailed work in um assessing the 02:28:58.960 --> 02:29:00.776 feasibility of some of the things that 02:29:00.800 --> 02:29:03.576 are in that plan. So, it's it's in in a 02:29:03.600 --> 02:29:05.096 sense the next step to what we've 02:29:05.120 --> 02:29:06.616 already done. 02:29:06.640 --> 02:29:08.856 Okay. Councelor McDonald, 02:29:08.880 --> 02:29:11.576 hot off the press, I got an email from 02:29:11.600 --> 02:29:13.656 the head of one of these schools 02:29:13.680 --> 02:29:15.496 at the university yesterday. Hope you 02:29:15.520 --> 02:29:16.936 had a great long weekend. Gentle 02:29:16.960 --> 02:29:18.936 reminder, if your plan if your team 02:29:18.960 --> 02:29:21.415 plans to register internship projects 02:29:21.439 --> 02:29:24.439 for our semester 2 offering please do 02:29:24.880 --> 02:29:27.256 so by blah date. so there are 02:29:27.280 --> 02:29:30.280 universities um that are wanting um this 02:29:30.399 --> 02:29:33.399 as I said at no cost to to us. I think 02:29:33.600 --> 02:29:36.295 there is there should be perhaps you 02:29:36.319 --> 02:29:38.056 know I'm dealing through one business 02:29:38.080 --> 02:29:41.080 area being business um but I think it's 02:29:43.359 --> 02:29:46.295 the the options are are potentially 02:29:46.319 --> 02:29:48.616 greater for application right across 02:29:48.640 --> 02:29:51.640 council's operations. 02:29:53.920 --> 02:29:56.920 Okay. 02:29:57.120 --> 02:29:59.176 I I'm getting a little bit confused. I 02:29:59.200 --> 02:30:01.016 think council McDonald saying we don't 02:30:01.040 --> 02:30:02.295 need to say yes to this cuz he's going 02:30:02.319 --> 02:30:03.496 to get someone who's going to do it for 02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:05.976 free. 02:30:06.000 --> 02:30:07.576 I'm not saying I'm going to get someone 02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:09.816 to do it free. I I I said I have been 02:30:09.840 --> 02:30:11.656 working for a long time with this the 02:30:11.680 --> 02:30:14.680 head of the of one of the schools um 02:30:16.240 --> 02:30:19.096 to 02:30:19.120 --> 02:30:21.016 are you saying we don't need 02:30:21.040 --> 02:30:23.335 I am not I am not supportive on the 02:30:23.359 --> 02:30:25.656 basis that as I said I think there's 02:30:25.680 --> 02:30:27.176 more than one way to skin a cat and 02:30:27.200 --> 02:30:30.200 until we um exhaust those avenues 02:30:30.319 --> 02:30:33.319 then we ought to pause on jumping in 02:30:33.359 --> 02:30:34.056 with the money. 02:30:34.080 --> 02:30:36.616 Okay. Thank you councelor Willis. Um so 02:30:36.640 --> 02:30:38.536 what I'm unclear about is councelor 02:30:38.560 --> 02:30:40.216 McDonald seems to be talking about an 02:30:40.240 --> 02:30:43.096 approach general that could be 02:30:43.120 --> 02:30:46.056 applied to any project whereas Miss 02:30:46.080 --> 02:30:48.616 Pavlovich has come to council with a 02:30:48.640 --> 02:30:51.640 formed plan for her community and I it's 02:30:52.160 --> 02:30:54.776 not clear to me that if we don't if we 02:30:54.800 --> 02:30:57.656 decide not to fund this this work the 02:30:57.680 --> 02:30:59.576 community wants to get going in 02:30:59.600 --> 02:31:01.415 captain's flat will actually happen 02:31:01.439 --> 02:31:04.439 under councelor McDonald's plan not 02:31:05.280 --> 02:31:07.415 land, whatever. So, you see what I'm 02:31:07.439 --> 02:31:08.696 saying? Yeah. Direction. 02:31:08.720 --> 02:31:10.455 Yeah. Okay. Is there further discussion 02:31:10.479 --> 02:31:12.616 on this one? Put to a vote. All those in 02:31:12.640 --> 02:31:14.295 favor? 02:31:14.319 --> 02:31:16.856 That's a yes. The next one is Cremier 02:31:16.880 --> 02:31:18.375 City Football Club. I'm happy to talk 02:31:18.399 --> 02:31:20.776 this one very quickly, councilors. So, 02:31:20.800 --> 02:31:22.936 we all know they have funding to 02:31:22.960 --> 02:31:25.656 build a new clubhouse and the car 02:31:25.680 --> 02:31:28.056 park at High Street. In order to do 02:31:28.080 --> 02:31:31.080 that, we need to relocate the what they 02:31:31.280 --> 02:31:32.696 the temporary one that that that's 02:31:32.720 --> 02:31:34.136 sitting there is basically in the way. 02:31:34.160 --> 02:31:36.536 We need to move it further down so they 02:31:36.560 --> 02:31:38.375 can still use it this year and play at 02:31:38.399 --> 02:31:40.455 High Street while they construct their 02:31:40.479 --> 02:31:42.536 permanent one. If we don't move it, they 02:31:42.560 --> 02:31:43.976 can't build their new one. So, it sort 02:31:44.000 --> 02:31:47.000 of needs to happen. 02:31:47.120 --> 02:31:49.176 Questions or discussion? If not, we'll 02:31:49.200 --> 02:31:51.496 vote on this one. All in favor? That's a 02:31:51.520 --> 02:31:53.335 yes. 02:31:53.359 --> 02:31:55.976 43. Bangador Town Center Environ 02:31:56.000 --> 02:31:58.455 Committee. This is a council provider 02:31:58.479 --> 02:32:00.616 report on actioning the heritage study. 02:32:00.640 --> 02:32:03.256 This one for councelor Schwit. Yeah, 02:32:03.280 --> 02:32:04.455 I'll speak to it. This is actually a 02:32:04.479 --> 02:32:05.816 motion that we've already passed to 02:32:05.840 --> 02:32:07.415 to to actually allocate the funding when 02:32:07.439 --> 02:32:09.415 the budget came up. Um we've talked 02:32:09.439 --> 02:32:10.776 about the Bangod heritage study, how 02:32:10.800 --> 02:32:12.216 it's incomplete, needs to be completed. 02:32:12.240 --> 02:32:14.776 So, here's the opportunity. 02:32:14.800 --> 02:32:16.936 Council Willis. 02:32:16.960 --> 02:32:19.576 yes. Um third time lucky. I don't 02:32:19.600 --> 02:32:22.136 know. my main concern at this point 02:32:22.160 --> 02:32:24.776 is whether it's too late to start this 02:32:24.800 --> 02:32:27.800 work. noting the staff comment in 02:32:28.240 --> 02:32:30.375 response to this bid, but perhaps the 02:32:30.399 --> 02:32:32.936 director of um development and 02:32:32.960 --> 02:32:35.256 environment could could answer that 02:32:35.280 --> 02:32:38.056 question. Melo 02:32:38.080 --> 02:32:41.080 through you, Mr. Mayor. The um estimated 02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:43.335 additional budget is reflective of 02:32:43.359 --> 02:32:46.359 making sure that it can come into the, 02:32:46.960 --> 02:32:48.375 you know, existing project and time 02:32:48.399 --> 02:32:51.399 frame so the budget bid is not too late. 02:32:52.880 --> 02:32:54.776 Okay. I'm I'm going to support this one. 02:32:54.800 --> 02:32:57.800 council, as you may recall, was it 02:32:57.840 --> 02:32:59.415 last year when we had a building that 02:32:59.439 --> 02:33:00.776 potentially could have ended up on a 02:33:00.800 --> 02:33:02.696 heritage register was knocked down and 02:33:02.720 --> 02:33:04.375 it was all over the news or we did say 02:33:04.399 --> 02:33:05.976 at the time that we are looking at this. 02:33:06.000 --> 02:33:07.335 We want to do more to preserve the 02:33:07.359 --> 02:33:09.736 heritage of Bangador. This is how we get 02:33:09.760 --> 02:33:12.136 it done. Is there further discussion? 02:33:12.160 --> 02:33:13.256 All right, we'll put this one for a 02:33:13.280 --> 02:33:16.216 vote. All those in favor, that's a yes. 02:33:16.240 --> 02:33:19.176 Captain's flat total flood warning 02:33:19.200 --> 02:33:22.200 system design. 02:33:22.720 --> 02:33:24.216 Did someone want to speak to this one? C 02:33:24.240 --> 02:33:27.240 McDonald. 02:33:28.800 --> 02:33:31.016 Yeah, look, I I think I can hear some 02:33:31.040 --> 02:33:32.936 chatter over the chamber as to whether, 02:33:32.960 --> 02:33:35.176 you know, there is a um this is a 02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:37.656 co-unding arrangement and contingent on 02:33:37.680 --> 02:33:40.375 on some um state funding. It should 02:33:40.399 --> 02:33:42.455 indeed be a state funding. I understand 02:33:42.479 --> 02:33:45.479 that it is a um that it is an 02:33:46.720 --> 02:33:48.696 opportunity to open that grant funding 02:33:48.720 --> 02:33:51.176 for one of those sort of like for like 02:33:51.200 --> 02:33:53.736 or you know you pay we pay 02:33:53.760 --> 02:33:56.136 arrangements because there is not a 02:33:56.160 --> 02:33:59.160 grant which um which will cover the 02:34:00.640 --> 02:34:03.640 entire project. So I I don't think I 02:34:03.920 --> 02:34:06.295 need to talk to the the merits of the 02:34:06.319 --> 02:34:07.736 project. I think we should all be really 02:34:07.760 --> 02:34:10.536 sold on that for the flat. Um but in 02:34:10.560 --> 02:34:13.560 terms of the technical um way we achieve 02:34:13.680 --> 02:34:16.680 that it is through that co-contribution. 02:34:17.120 --> 02:34:19.576 Okay. Further discussion on this one. 02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:20.616 Councelor Willis. 02:34:20.640 --> 02:34:22.856 Well I think it's an imperative that we 02:34:22.880 --> 02:34:25.415 have we we've seen in the last few years 02:34:25.439 --> 02:34:27.816 in this country what happens with flood 02:34:27.840 --> 02:34:30.696 a very very serious risk threat to 02:34:30.720 --> 02:34:33.576 life as well as property. So I I I feel 02:34:33.600 --> 02:34:35.736 like this is kind of mandatory really. 02:34:35.760 --> 02:34:38.760 And I don't Yeah, I'm not quite sure why 02:34:38.800 --> 02:34:40.776 it's in these bids rather than having 02:34:40.800 --> 02:34:43.656 put been put in the um budget for us, 02:34:43.680 --> 02:34:45.896 but yeah, I'm supporting it. 02:34:45.920 --> 02:34:48.295 Yeah. Further discussion on this one, 02:34:48.319 --> 02:34:49.176 council Wilson. 02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:50.295 Yeah, just picking up on councelor 02:34:50.319 --> 02:34:52.216 Willis's point to the GM through you, 02:34:52.240 --> 02:34:54.856 Mayor. Why is it as a bid in front of us 02:34:54.880 --> 02:34:56.536 rather than just an item or not? 02:34:56.560 --> 02:34:58.056 Yeah, through Mr. Mayor because it's one 02:34:58.080 --> 02:34:59.335 of the council resolutions that the 02:34:59.359 --> 02:35:01.256 budgets be it be considered around 02:35:01.280 --> 02:35:03.096 budget time. So this is one that if 02:35:03.120 --> 02:35:05.656 we're going to apply for grants, you can 02:35:05.680 --> 02:35:07.016 either wait till you get the grant and 02:35:07.040 --> 02:35:08.295 then I come back to council and say 02:35:08.319 --> 02:35:10.056 you've been successful, where's your 02:35:10.080 --> 02:35:12.536 92,000. Do you remember we had to refuse 02:35:12.560 --> 02:35:14.776 the first round we received for the 02:35:14.800 --> 02:35:17.415 Bangor Trello terrace because we didn't 02:35:17.439 --> 02:35:19.096 have the funding and so we had to wait 02:35:19.120 --> 02:35:20.776 another 12 months when we actually put 02:35:20.800 --> 02:35:23.656 the money in the budget. So that's all. 02:35:23.680 --> 02:35:25.415 Um but these ones are coming to you 02:35:25.439 --> 02:35:28.056 because they were noted in the budget to 02:35:28.080 --> 02:35:31.080 come be considered in the next budget. 02:35:31.600 --> 02:35:32.936 Okay. Is there further discussion on 02:35:32.960 --> 02:35:35.096 this one? Put the vote. All those in 02:35:35.120 --> 02:35:38.120 favor? That's a yes. The next one is the 02:35:38.720 --> 02:35:40.536 Nearly Hamilton Center First Nation 02:35:40.560 --> 02:35:43.256 Sculpture Project. Anyone want to speak 02:35:43.280 --> 02:35:45.656 to this one, Councelor Wilson? Oh, I 02:35:45.680 --> 02:35:47.335 think the GM's touched on this one. 02:35:47.359 --> 02:35:48.455 Similar to the previous one, it's 02:35:48.479 --> 02:35:51.256 something we want to come back to. Um, I 02:35:51.280 --> 02:35:54.280 think it's it's a good project. , I 02:35:54.399 --> 02:35:56.856 know Sue Javvis has spoken in favor of 02:35:56.880 --> 02:35:58.216 that committee that had that original 02:35:58.240 --> 02:36:00.936 vision. Um, , yeah, I suppose I 02:36:00.960 --> 02:36:02.375 support it. I look forward to any other 02:36:02.399 --> 02:36:04.056 contributions possibly from council 02:36:04.080 --> 02:36:07.080 littlemore. 02:36:07.600 --> 02:36:09.096 Has this I just want to ask a question 02:36:09.120 --> 02:36:10.455 before we go to next council. Where 02:36:10.479 --> 02:36:12.056 where did this request come from? Is 02:36:12.080 --> 02:36:14.696 this from the arts advisory committee or 02:36:14.720 --> 02:36:17.256 from a counselor? 02:36:17.280 --> 02:36:18.216 Miss Richards. 02:36:18.240 --> 02:36:21.240 , through Mr. Mayor. I'm not sure. 02:36:22.000 --> 02:36:24.295 Okay. Through Mr. Mayor. 02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:25.976 Through Mr. May the Happy made a 02:36:26.000 --> 02:36:27.496 submission to council. It got referred 02:36:27.520 --> 02:36:30.216 to the ADAC, their arts, development, 02:36:30.240 --> 02:36:31.896 cultural committee, which council 02:36:31.920 --> 02:36:33.576 Waterhouse chairs. They came back with 02:36:33.600 --> 02:36:35.576 with this recommendation, a series of 02:36:35.600 --> 02:36:37.576 recommendations. This was one of those 02:36:37.600 --> 02:36:40.216 recommendations which if you're going to 02:36:40.240 --> 02:36:41.896 proceed with it, you will need to make a 02:36:41.920 --> 02:36:44.455 budget budget allocation for it. 02:36:44.479 --> 02:36:47.479 Okay. Council Broad, 02:36:48.080 --> 02:36:51.080 sorry, you go, Bill. I'll go after you. 02:36:51.439 --> 02:36:54.216 Okay. um the the committee just felt 02:36:54.240 --> 02:36:55.736 pretty strongly that if if you're going 02:36:55.760 --> 02:36:58.375 to have stuff related to First Nations, 02:36:58.399 --> 02:37:00.216 you should talk to First Nations people. 02:37:00.240 --> 02:37:02.696 So that was really the gist of of of the 02:37:02.720 --> 02:37:05.720 suggestion. But as the GM mentions, you 02:37:06.080 --> 02:37:07.816 you need to budget for for these sorts 02:37:07.840 --> 02:37:10.840 of things. 02:37:11.040 --> 02:37:12.856 Yeah, sure. I guess um yeah, that's 02:37:12.880 --> 02:37:14.375 probably I just had a question around. 02:37:14.399 --> 02:37:17.256 So it says the request name is a 02:37:17.280 --> 02:37:19.496 first nations sculpture project but then 02:37:19.520 --> 02:37:21.335 the actual detail says we're getting a 02:37:21.359 --> 02:37:23.335 consultant in to do a summary of 02:37:23.359 --> 02:37:25.576 consultation outcomes and whatnot. So is 02:37:25.600 --> 02:37:26.776 there just a bit of clarity around what 02:37:26.800 --> 02:37:29.016 is the end goal of what we're getting 02:37:29.040 --> 02:37:30.536 the money for? Is it just to pay for 02:37:30.560 --> 02:37:33.335 someone to write a council report 02:37:33.359 --> 02:37:35.656 following community consultation? 02:37:35.680 --> 02:37:35.816 It's 02:37:35.840 --> 02:37:37.496 through you Mr. Mayor. The report that 02:37:37.520 --> 02:37:39.256 came to council talked about the create 02:37:39.280 --> 02:37:41.176 New South Wales guidelines that included 02:37:41.200 --> 02:37:42.936 that indigenous projects should be 02:37:42.960 --> 02:37:45.960 driven by indigenous people. And so this 02:37:46.080 --> 02:37:49.080 is a consult money for a consultant to 02:37:49.520 --> 02:37:52.520 scope the project and to um ensure that 02:37:53.920 --> 02:37:56.696 the way we do it is appropriate that the 02:37:56.720 --> 02:37:58.936 imagery is appropriate that the the 02:37:58.960 --> 02:38:00.856 sculpture is appropriate and so on. So 02:38:00.880 --> 02:38:03.880 it's an extensive um consultation by an 02:38:04.319 --> 02:38:06.375 indigenous consultant. 02:38:06.399 --> 02:38:09.016 Yeah, I guess that's not what the as far 02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:10.295 as I'm reading that's not what it says. 02:38:10.319 --> 02:38:11.736 It says we're getting a summary of 02:38:11.760 --> 02:38:13.415 community consultation outcomes, a 02:38:13.439 --> 02:38:15.256 statement of cultural intent, which 02:38:15.280 --> 02:38:17.335 maybe is what we're talking about there. 02:38:17.359 --> 02:38:19.335 The rest is kind of just an expression 02:38:19.359 --> 02:38:20.536 how we're going to go about expression 02:38:20.560 --> 02:38:23.176 of interest. I I guess I'm yeah, a bit 02:38:23.200 --> 02:38:24.616 confused. I'm not saying I won't support 02:38:24.640 --> 02:38:26.776 this. I'm just a bit um confused because 02:38:26.800 --> 02:38:28.455 I know I mean I know we've had some 02:38:28.479 --> 02:38:31.176 trouble with our First Nations Committee 02:38:31.200 --> 02:38:33.176 in the past, but and that's and which 02:38:33.200 --> 02:38:36.200 is obviously very disappointing. but 02:38:36.240 --> 02:38:37.816 yeah, it's a bit unclear. So I'd love to 02:38:37.840 --> 02:38:39.976 hear other people's like support for 02:38:40.000 --> 02:38:41.335 this rather than just what we've got 02:38:41.359 --> 02:38:42.536 because I otherwise I probably won't 02:38:42.560 --> 02:38:44.696 support it at the moment, but I open to 02:38:44.720 --> 02:38:46.056 advice. 02:38:46.080 --> 02:38:47.016 Council House. 02:38:47.040 --> 02:38:49.496 Yeah. Um could I ask Miss Richards to 02:38:49.520 --> 02:38:52.056 outline what the suggestion was? Um my 02:38:52.080 --> 02:38:53.816 memory is that there was a suggestion 02:38:53.840 --> 02:38:55.976 that that a sculpture be made of Neie 02:38:56.000 --> 02:38:59.000 Hamilton. Um, but I can't remember the 02:38:59.680 --> 02:39:02.295 source of that suggestion and and that 02:39:02.319 --> 02:39:05.319 the committee ACAC 02:39:05.359 --> 02:39:07.656 just said, "Look, if you start 02:39:07.680 --> 02:39:09.096 talking about this stuff, you've got to 02:39:09.120 --> 02:39:10.856 you got to involve your First Nations 02:39:10.880 --> 02:39:13.656 people." Um, and that was the gist of 02:39:13.680 --> 02:39:15.816 it. But it that that was the idea, 02:39:15.840 --> 02:39:18.295 wasn't it, Miss Richards? 02:39:18.319 --> 02:39:20.295 , through you, Mr. Mayor. A report 02:39:20.319 --> 02:39:22.936 came to council. Um, and it was the 02:39:22.960 --> 02:39:25.415 Happy Committee. Um, and I I can't 02:39:25.439 --> 02:39:27.016 remember what the acronym stands for. I 02:39:27.040 --> 02:39:30.040 apologize. Um, but that was to they they 02:39:30.160 --> 02:39:32.936 had um, if you recall a small version of 02:39:32.960 --> 02:39:35.016 the statue of Nelly Hamilton, and they 02:39:35.040 --> 02:39:38.040 had a proposal that they council support 02:39:38.399 --> 02:39:41.096 the sculpture, a life-siz sculpture to 02:39:41.120 --> 02:39:43.656 potentially go at the um the entrance of 02:39:43.680 --> 02:39:46.680 the um council building. Now, , this 02:39:47.120 --> 02:39:49.976 went to the our arts and cultural 02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:53.000 committee and they recognized that the 02:39:53.920 --> 02:39:56.056 create New South Wales protocols for 02:39:56.080 --> 02:39:58.295 Aboriginal work means that there are 02:39:58.319 --> 02:39:59.576 things that we have to do. There are 02:39:59.600 --> 02:40:02.295 protocols that we have to follow and we 02:40:02.319 --> 02:40:04.936 can't just we shouldn't we can but we 02:40:04.960 --> 02:40:07.256 shouldn't just accept a sculpture as it 02:40:07.280 --> 02:40:09.496 comes forth. So, so even the imagery of 02:40:09.520 --> 02:40:11.496 Nelly Hamilton may not be appropriate. 02:40:11.520 --> 02:40:13.415 So, it's consultation around what does 02:40:13.439 --> 02:40:15.496 this project mean? How should we do it? 02:40:15.520 --> 02:40:17.656 Even the expressions of interest 02:40:17.680 --> 02:40:19.976 should be guided by how we collect those 02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:23.000 from from our local indigenous artistic 02:40:23.359 --> 02:40:24.856 community. 02:40:24.880 --> 02:40:26.295 Council McDonald 02:40:26.319 --> 02:40:28.776 if it assists the heritage culture 02:40:28.800 --> 02:40:31.800 arts promotions incorporated hapi happy 02:40:33.120 --> 02:40:35.496 it does councelor Wilson. 02:40:35.520 --> 02:40:38.056 Sorry I had had my turn but just for 10 02:40:38.080 --> 02:40:40.216 seconds I think that's really been well 02:40:40.240 --> 02:40:43.240 articulated. We've named this building 02:40:43.359 --> 02:40:45.335 nearly Hamilton. That was it. that was a 02:40:45.359 --> 02:40:47.415 a use the word journey. It was a little 02:40:47.439 --> 02:40:49.816 mini journey. and that that that I 02:40:49.840 --> 02:40:52.295 think this this this funding allocation 02:40:52.319 --> 02:40:55.256 helps our staff take that forward and 02:40:55.280 --> 02:40:56.936 rightfully and continue to engage with 02:40:56.960 --> 02:40:58.136 ainal committee on this particular 02:40:58.160 --> 02:41:00.216 project. So I think it's a a bit like 02:41:00.240 --> 02:41:03.240 the the aging strategy. It's about in 02:41:03.920 --> 02:41:05.096 bringing someone in to help us take 02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:06.295 something forward. Thank you. 02:41:06.319 --> 02:41:07.656 Thank you. Is there further council 02:41:07.680 --> 02:41:10.295 Livermore? Yeah, I think um just with 02:41:10.319 --> 02:41:12.056 this all I think you know we've just 02:41:12.080 --> 02:41:13.656 really launched our reconciliation 02:41:13.680 --> 02:41:15.736 action plan and had some commitments in 02:41:15.760 --> 02:41:17.016 there around the work that we were going 02:41:17.040 --> 02:41:18.856 to do and that is you know also that 02:41:18.880 --> 02:41:20.455 consultation with community and I think 02:41:20.479 --> 02:41:22.136 this is just a good opportunity to 02:41:22.160 --> 02:41:24.936 reflect um on the work that we've 02:41:24.960 --> 02:41:26.375 committed to in in the space of 02:41:26.399 --> 02:41:28.455 reconciliation and being able to support 02:41:28.479 --> 02:41:30.136 and go out and do some of the more of 02:41:30.160 --> 02:41:32.375 that community consultation through 02:41:32.399 --> 02:41:34.295 this work and and again I think this is 02:41:34.319 --> 02:41:37.319 the only first nations um 02:41:38.800 --> 02:41:41.800 bid that's that's in this budget. 02:41:42.479 --> 02:41:44.536 Is there anything further councilors? If 02:41:44.560 --> 02:41:45.976 not, we'll put it to a vote. All in 02:41:46.000 --> 02:41:49.000 favor? That's a yes. The next item. So, 02:41:50.399 --> 02:41:52.136 next table is amounts already included 02:41:52.160 --> 02:41:53.656 in the budget. So, we can skip over 02:41:53.680 --> 02:41:55.576 that. 02:41:55.600 --> 02:41:57.256 That was table four. So, on to table 02:41:57.280 --> 02:41:59.816 five, which is bids received after 02:41:59.840 --> 02:42:02.840 papers. So, late bids basically 40 24A. 02:42:03.359 --> 02:42:04.056 Is that right? 02:42:04.080 --> 02:42:06.696 24A. So, Frog Hollow stage two 02:42:06.720 --> 02:42:08.455 completion. Councelor Schwaget. 02:42:08.479 --> 02:42:10.455 Yeah, this was from the previous item 02:42:10.479 --> 02:42:13.096 24. I missed a comma. So, um we've 02:42:13.120 --> 02:42:15.816 actually already voted to do a stage two 02:42:15.840 --> 02:42:17.896 of Frogs Hollow. That was in April of 02:42:17.920 --> 02:42:20.616 2024. Council Preston, councelor Willis 02:42:20.640 --> 02:42:22.696 actually moved that particular item. We 02:42:22.720 --> 02:42:24.216 don't have the actual detail cost to 02:42:24.240 --> 02:42:25.496 continue with stage two. So, this is 02:42:25.520 --> 02:42:27.736 just to try and bring that up to to to 02:42:27.760 --> 02:42:29.656 get a shovel ready so we can do stage 02:42:29.680 --> 02:42:31.656 two. Um it'd be nice to try and do this 02:42:31.680 --> 02:42:33.176 as soon as we can. We lost that central 02:42:33.200 --> 02:42:35.896 park in in or central point in Jibralta 02:42:35.920 --> 02:42:37.256 and Ellen Street which could have been a 02:42:37.280 --> 02:42:38.616 nice park. So this is where we can 02:42:38.640 --> 02:42:40.455 actually sort of fill in for that 02:42:40.479 --> 02:42:41.896 missing park. So thank you. 02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:43.415 Thank you councelor Schwack. Is there 02:42:43.439 --> 02:42:45.576 further discussion on this one? Not put 02:42:45.600 --> 02:42:48.600 to a vote. All in favor? That's a yes. 02:42:48.640 --> 02:42:51.576 Next is council McDonald lights at Wo 02:42:51.600 --> 02:42:54.375 welcome wall. 02:42:54.399 --> 02:42:56.455 That's Wo welcome wall. Ah you do 02:42:56.479 --> 02:42:57.816 remember it councelor Wilson. Yeah, I 02:42:57.840 --> 02:43:00.616 think most people will because um anyone 02:43:00.640 --> 02:43:03.640 with a good memory 26th of June 2024. 02:43:04.560 --> 02:43:07.560 Um so we have we have considered this 02:43:08.720 --> 02:43:11.720 and as the council voted at that time 02:43:12.640 --> 02:43:14.375 to 02:43:14.399 --> 02:43:16.136 consider the installation of street 02:43:16.160 --> 02:43:18.216 lighting at the intersection of Sutton 02:43:18.240 --> 02:43:21.176 Road and Norton Road at WOne in the 02:43:21.200 --> 02:43:23.736 2025/26 02:43:23.760 --> 02:43:25.656 budget process and we didn't didn't 02:43:25.680 --> 02:43:28.680 happen. So um the staff um comments say 02:43:31.359 --> 02:43:33.415 to look at um site investigation 02:43:33.439 --> 02:43:36.136 required to look at electricity 02:43:36.160 --> 02:43:38.455 connection points or solar options. Oak 02:43:38.479 --> 02:43:41.479 contr I have a I have a detailed report 02:43:41.680 --> 02:43:44.216 which was included in the council papers 02:43:44.240 --> 02:43:47.240 on that date um which talks about the 02:43:47.520 --> 02:43:50.520 various options. Um there is I think a 02:43:51.040 --> 02:43:53.976 pretty unrealistic option for solar and 02:43:54.000 --> 02:43:55.976 noting the cost of doing things has 02:43:56.000 --> 02:43:58.536 increased exponentially since that 02:43:58.560 --> 02:44:01.560 time that this report was done 320,000k 02:44:02.800 --> 02:44:05.800 grid connecting it to the mains is 02:44:06.000 --> 02:44:07.976 250,000k 02:44:08.000 --> 02:44:09.576 and then you chuck on some insect 02:44:09.600 --> 02:44:12.536 friendly stuff which is an extra 10k 02:44:12.560 --> 02:44:14.375 and then we have the lighting of the 02:44:14.399 --> 02:44:16.696 wall only these are the staff figures of 02:44:16.720 --> 02:44:19.096 $3,200. $100. 02:44:19.120 --> 02:44:22.120 So, um, in speaking to the community, 02:44:23.040 --> 02:44:25.496 um, people are pretty realistic and we 02:44:25.520 --> 02:44:28.216 talked about this, , in at WBO's 02:44:28.240 --> 02:44:30.856 meeting, WBO's sort of community/budget 02:44:30.880 --> 02:44:32.776 meeting recently 02:44:32.800 --> 02:44:35.800 and, um, and comments from the room 02:44:36.080 --> 02:44:38.295 were, "Yeah, but we understood that it 02:44:38.319 --> 02:44:40.776 was wildly expensive in those latter 02:44:40.800 --> 02:44:43.800 options and , I believe that the 02:44:44.080 --> 02:44:47.080 community would appreciate , um, the 02:44:48.240 --> 02:44:50.856 lower cost option, the lowest co cost 02:44:50.880 --> 02:44:53.496 option. I see that the staff have 02:44:53.520 --> 02:44:56.375 included a 15k figure. 02:44:56.399 --> 02:44:59.399 I can't imagine it's it's blown by five 02:44:59.760 --> 02:45:02.760 times in in two years time. So, in 02:45:03.520 --> 02:45:05.816 speaking to support this, I asked for 02:45:05.840 --> 02:45:08.840 10. I think it's far less than that 02:45:08.960 --> 02:45:11.335 still. 02:45:11.359 --> 02:45:12.936 Questions, 02:45:12.960 --> 02:45:14.375 Council Willis. 02:45:14.399 --> 02:45:17.399 yes, thanks. Um if this option was 02:45:18.319 --> 02:45:20.776 supported um there wouldn't be a light 02:45:20.800 --> 02:45:23.096 on the highway. Is that what you what we 02:45:23.120 --> 02:45:24.696 just heard? 02:45:24.720 --> 02:45:27.720 yeah. So you you you'll remember sort 02:45:27.840 --> 02:45:30.776 of the Sutton Road um at which sort of 02:45:30.800 --> 02:45:33.800 is a T intersection to to Norton. and 02:45:34.319 --> 02:45:37.319 the kind of um northern corner is the um 02:45:40.000 --> 02:45:42.295 is the wall itself and it would 02:45:42.319 --> 02:45:44.936 illuminate that wall only. Yeah. So it 02:45:44.960 --> 02:45:47.415 would assist people. I guess you would 02:45:47.439 --> 02:45:49.896 you see it from the from the highway or 02:45:49.920 --> 02:45:51.576 would you need to turn into it before? 02:45:51.600 --> 02:45:53.415 You would see it from the from from 02:45:53.439 --> 02:45:54.616 Sutton Road. Yes. 02:45:54.640 --> 02:45:57.640 So it will assist people in finding 02:45:57.920 --> 02:45:59.576 Yeah. Def Norton Road, but definitely 02:45:59.600 --> 02:46:01.415 Council Willis, you're you're right. But 02:46:01.439 --> 02:46:04.439 there's another thing you'll remember um 02:46:04.560 --> 02:46:07.560 that some time ago the 02:46:07.920 --> 02:46:10.295 um wall was knocked down by a driver who 02:46:10.319 --> 02:46:13.176 had a some kind of accident. Clearly an 02:46:13.200 --> 02:46:15.736 accident. um nailed the wall and the 02:46:15.760 --> 02:46:18.696 community ultimately had to rebuild it. 02:46:18.720 --> 02:46:21.335 Um it's a really dark point and I live 02:46:21.359 --> 02:46:23.415 right near there, right? And I drive 02:46:23.439 --> 02:46:25.816 home, I'll drive that way this evening 02:46:25.840 --> 02:46:28.136 and it creeps up on you. So I think just 02:46:28.160 --> 02:46:29.656 lighting that up is going to slow things 02:46:29.680 --> 02:46:30.936 up to the point that it's going to 02:46:30.960 --> 02:46:33.576 reduce the option for or reduce accident 02:46:33.600 --> 02:46:35.016 risk. 02:46:35.040 --> 02:46:36.616 Is there further discussion on this one? 02:46:36.640 --> 02:46:37.976 Councelor Grand, 02:46:38.000 --> 02:46:40.136 a quick practical question. Who looks 02:46:40.160 --> 02:46:43.160 after the garden at the womb wall? 02:46:45.439 --> 02:46:47.415 Yeah. 02:46:47.439 --> 02:46:49.496 And I' I I've driven past while they're 02:46:49.520 --> 02:46:50.936 doing it. They sort of give me the evil 02:46:50.960 --> 02:46:52.295 eye. Um look, 02:46:52.319 --> 02:46:53.816 so someone does look after 02:46:53.840 --> 02:46:55.255 Yeah. Yeah. It's not a council asset. 02:46:55.279 --> 02:46:57.176 It's a it's a community asset and it's 02:46:57.200 --> 02:46:59.496 maintained by, you know, those standard 02:46:59.520 --> 02:47:02.056 four or five same old people in the 02:47:02.080 --> 02:47:04.295 in the association who just get in and 02:47:04.319 --> 02:47:07.255 do it. Um and secondly, if we're talking 02:47:07.279 --> 02:47:09.896 about safety issues and lighting, isn't 02:47:09.920 --> 02:47:12.920 that the job of Well, that Sutton Road 02:47:13.120 --> 02:47:16.120 would be is that um a state road? 02:47:16.880 --> 02:47:19.016 Yes, Sen Road's a state road, Council 02:47:19.040 --> 02:47:21.496 Grundy. That's correct. Um Norton Road 02:47:21.520 --> 02:47:23.496 is however our 02:47:23.520 --> 02:47:26.216 council road, which we do a lot of 02:47:26.240 --> 02:47:29.240 work on. and it looking schmick 02:47:29.520 --> 02:47:31.415 and the wall of course is a community 02:47:31.439 --> 02:47:33.656 asset. Is there further discussion on 02:47:33.680 --> 02:47:34.936 this one? Councelor Wilson. 02:47:34.960 --> 02:47:37.016 Yeah, thank you, Mayor. I'll be I'll be 02:47:37.040 --> 02:47:38.295 supporting this and thank you, Council 02:47:38.319 --> 02:47:39.896 McDonald. Even though I couldn't get a 02:47:39.920 --> 02:47:41.816 dollar to catch a goat. even though 02:47:41.840 --> 02:47:43.736 it's a state responsibility, I'm happy 02:47:43.760 --> 02:47:45.896 to support this one. Thanks. 02:47:45.920 --> 02:47:47.415 I don't know what that means, but we're 02:47:47.439 --> 02:47:49.096 going to put to a vote. All All in 02:47:49.120 --> 02:47:51.896 favor? That's a yes. 02:47:51.920 --> 02:47:52.776 Is that in? 02:47:52.800 --> 02:47:54.936 That's in. Yes. All right, let's keep 02:47:54.960 --> 02:47:57.255 going cuz we're getting 9:30 very 02:47:57.279 --> 02:47:58.216 quickly. Council 02:47:58.240 --> 02:48:00.776 McDonald Bungor pump track. I sort of 02:48:00.800 --> 02:48:02.616 touched on it previously. I think what 02:48:02.640 --> 02:48:05.640 we've got is the um option councelor 02:48:06.160 --> 02:48:08.056 Grundy has successfully put forward for 02:48:08.080 --> 02:48:11.016 the um for the the temp fix if you will. 02:48:11.040 --> 02:48:14.040 Um the next is um what I had asked for 02:48:15.520 --> 02:48:18.520 was the scoping or the design scope. Um 02:48:20.479 --> 02:48:23.479 correct me if I'm wrong. um opportunity 02:48:24.160 --> 02:48:27.016 to staff. Um 02:48:27.040 --> 02:48:30.040 I thought that to apply for grants and 02:48:31.200 --> 02:48:34.200 various grants as we did with the Jera 02:48:35.120 --> 02:48:38.056 pump track, we had to have a pretty 02:48:38.080 --> 02:48:40.536 much a scope of a project, you know, 02:48:40.560 --> 02:48:42.455 which we could go to a funer and say, 02:48:42.479 --> 02:48:44.616 "Hey, this is what we want and this is, 02:48:44.640 --> 02:48:47.640 you know, when we want it and blah." 02:48:48.160 --> 02:48:51.160 Is that still the case or has have grant 02:48:51.200 --> 02:48:53.176 guidelines changed? M Richards. 02:48:53.200 --> 02:48:54.856 through you, Miss May. Council 02:48:54.880 --> 02:48:56.776 McDonald, that's generally the case that 02:48:56.800 --> 02:48:58.856 you have to have a shovel ready project. 02:48:58.880 --> 02:49:01.016 But in the case of the Jer pump track, 02:49:01.040 --> 02:49:02.696 um it was slightly different. I'm not 02:49:02.720 --> 02:49:04.136 sure that that circumstance would ever 02:49:04.160 --> 02:49:06.616 happen again because mostly funders want 02:49:06.640 --> 02:49:07.976 to know that you're ready to go and 02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:10.696 you've scoped the project properly. 02:49:10.720 --> 02:49:13.720 Great. Well, I can't imagine um I mean 02:49:14.720 --> 02:49:17.096 110,000 I'm not I'm not the expert. But 02:49:17.120 --> 02:49:19.016 if I I just want to pressure test the 02:49:19.040 --> 02:49:22.040 question of $110,000 02:49:22.479 --> 02:49:25.479 for the scoping exercise. 02:49:26.800 --> 02:49:27.976 M Richards 02:49:28.000 --> 02:49:29.415 through you, Miss May. That's that's 02:49:29.439 --> 02:49:32.439 what staff have said. Um and that 02:49:32.560 --> 02:49:34.295 includes car parking, the whole design, 02:49:34.319 --> 02:49:36.936 the the the site investigation and so 02:49:36.960 --> 02:49:39.960 on. 02:49:40.960 --> 02:49:42.536 Further discussion on this. Councelor 02:49:42.560 --> 02:49:43.335 Willis, 02:49:43.359 --> 02:49:46.359 didn't we just agree to something a bid 02:49:46.479 --> 02:49:47.736 that 02:49:47.760 --> 02:49:50.136 So, councelor Grunny has we've supported 02:49:50.160 --> 02:49:52.216 the dirt pump track. This is for a 02:49:52.240 --> 02:49:55.240 proper actual sealed pump track like we 02:49:55.520 --> 02:49:57.896 have at Gong Jerobomb. 02:49:57.920 --> 02:49:59.816 Mr. Mayor, can I ask Miss Miller to 02:49:59.840 --> 02:50:01.255 comment on this? Because I think even 02:50:01.279 --> 02:50:02.616 for your dirt pump track, you're going 02:50:02.640 --> 02:50:04.536 to need a DA and you really are going to 02:50:04.560 --> 02:50:06.375 need to do a design which will take out 02:50:06.399 --> 02:50:08.295 significant funding out of that. So, Mr. 02:50:08.319 --> 02:50:10.136 Miller, could you please comment about 02:50:10.160 --> 02:50:11.176 that pump track? 02:50:11.200 --> 02:50:12.536 Yes, thank you. and through you, Mr. 02:50:12.560 --> 02:50:14.616 Mayor. Um, yes, the pump track, the use 02:50:14.640 --> 02:50:17.016 of the site anywhere that's going to 02:50:17.040 --> 02:50:19.736 need a development application. So, um, 02:50:19.760 --> 02:50:21.976 council, you're familiar with the costs 02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:24.616 associated with preparing these on many 02:50:24.640 --> 02:50:26.776 projects and so you need to be mindful 02:50:26.800 --> 02:50:28.375 of that. 02:50:28.399 --> 02:50:31.399 Okay, good. Um, sorry. Well, well, I 02:50:32.160 --> 02:50:34.216 mean, but that's another Well, the 02:50:34.240 --> 02:50:36.536 waving, um, to take that interjection, 02:50:36.560 --> 02:50:38.375 the waving would be another impact to 02:50:38.399 --> 02:50:39.976 budget, and I don't like sort of just 02:50:40.000 --> 02:50:42.136 doing things ad hoc. I talked about 02:50:42.160 --> 02:50:44.216 before, if we're in for a penny, then 02:50:44.240 --> 02:50:47.240 we're in for a pound. Does the 110 02:50:48.720 --> 02:50:51.720 um include the potential for those DA 02:50:52.640 --> 02:50:55.640 fees or or or or does that um it's so 02:50:56.800 --> 02:50:58.776 unclear to say the entire community 02:50:58.800 --> 02:51:01.736 scope including Carboten? 02:51:01.760 --> 02:51:03.335 So through Mr. Mayor, it would be 02:51:03.359 --> 02:51:05.576 studies, it would be the actual design, 02:51:05.600 --> 02:51:08.136 it could be ecology, flooding, it could 02:51:08.160 --> 02:51:11.160 be issues to do with odor or sighting, 02:51:11.359 --> 02:51:13.415 um all sorts of matters and reports that 02:51:13.439 --> 02:51:15.656 would need to be accompanying that DA. 02:51:15.680 --> 02:51:18.680 It will be more than 110,000. 02:51:18.720 --> 02:51:21.720 Okay. Well, that's now news. , so 02:51:22.399 --> 02:51:24.216 I'm I'm just going to write, you know, 02:51:24.240 --> 02:51:27.176 much more than 110,000 on my page and um 02:51:27.200 --> 02:51:29.335 and leave that with my colleagues to 02:51:29.359 --> 02:51:31.576 consider because that's um not 02:51:31.600 --> 02:51:32.856 altogether helpful. 02:51:32.880 --> 02:51:34.056 Councelor Willis, 02:51:34.080 --> 02:51:37.080 , I don't understand why we would 02:51:37.200 --> 02:51:40.200 support work for a dirt 02:51:41.040 --> 02:51:44.040 pump track at the same time as a more 02:51:45.439 --> 02:51:47.976 substantial one, a longer term one. I 02:51:48.000 --> 02:51:51.000 just that seems to me to be a bit a 02:51:51.439 --> 02:51:53.976 poor use of funds. I thought I heard you 02:51:54.000 --> 02:51:57.000 say Mayor that um you know you you 02:51:57.520 --> 02:52:00.520 might go from a dirt track originally 02:52:00.560 --> 02:52:03.415 and then get a a higher grade one. So 02:52:03.439 --> 02:52:05.176 it's a sequential thing. It's not doing 02:52:05.200 --> 02:52:07.656 both at once. So if we've already 02:52:07.680 --> 02:52:10.680 accepted councelor Grundy's bid, I'm 02:52:11.439 --> 02:52:13.415 I'm loathed to support councelor 02:52:13.439 --> 02:52:14.136 McDonald's. 02:52:14.160 --> 02:52:15.896 Yeah. Look, I think that's a fair sort 02:52:15.920 --> 02:52:18.920 of logic, but as we know and we think 02:52:19.200 --> 02:52:21.415 back to the process by which we arrived 02:52:21.439 --> 02:52:23.896 at Google or Jgera's pump tracks, they 02:52:23.920 --> 02:52:26.920 were long and you know the actual um 02:52:27.520 --> 02:52:30.056 construction costs were cost the 02:52:30.080 --> 02:52:32.856 construction timelines were were the 02:52:32.880 --> 02:52:35.255 least part of it. They they were super 02:52:35.279 --> 02:52:38.279 quick. Um so this you know to answer 02:52:38.720 --> 02:52:40.696 that question more specifically we talk 02:52:40.720 --> 02:52:42.936 about the temp fix if you will through 02:52:42.960 --> 02:52:44.856 councelor Grundy's proposal you know a 02:52:44.880 --> 02:52:47.576 backhoe and a couple of you know cubic 02:52:47.600 --> 02:52:50.600 tons of dirt crack on and meanwhile all 02:52:51.200 --> 02:52:53.176 the process goes through in the in 02:52:53.200 --> 02:52:55.896 the broader scope as to the feasibility 02:52:55.920 --> 02:52:58.920 on the other again wild that that it 02:52:59.520 --> 02:53:01.736 is it is a revelation tonight that it 02:53:01.760 --> 02:53:04.760 is in the excess of 110,000 02:53:07.760 --> 02:53:08.936 Okay, Council Wilson, 02:53:08.960 --> 02:53:10.375 can we just I think we can all agree 02:53:10.399 --> 02:53:11.976 we're in furious agreement, everyone, 02:53:12.000 --> 02:53:13.736 that that that Bungor should have a pump 02:53:13.760 --> 02:53:15.496 track down the track. Pardon the double 02:53:15.520 --> 02:53:18.520 up there. we sort of said 20 30 40 02:53:18.800 --> 02:53:20.136 dirt one that probably wouldn't even 02:53:20.160 --> 02:53:21.656 come close. It may need a DA if it's 02:53:21.680 --> 02:53:23.576 actually a permanent structure depending 02:53:23.600 --> 02:53:25.976 what it is. Maybe it's not. anyway, 02:53:26.000 --> 02:53:27.576 perhaps we just agree with Council 02:53:27.600 --> 02:53:30.536 Grundy's quantum to get things moving. 02:53:30.560 --> 02:53:33.560 , no. There you go. GM 02:53:34.399 --> 02:53:35.976 through, Mr. Mayor. You need to get Mel 02:53:36.000 --> 02:53:37.976 to comment. You won't get for $20,000 a 02:53:38.000 --> 02:53:39.816 dirt pump, even a dirt pump track. What 02:53:39.840 --> 02:53:42.455 you'll get for $20,000 is a scoping 02:53:42.479 --> 02:53:45.479 study on what we need to do to get a a 02:53:45.760 --> 02:53:48.760 pump track. Can I can I just say GM in 02:53:48.800 --> 02:53:51.176 response? This is sort of my item and I 02:53:51.200 --> 02:53:54.200 think it is easily adjustable but that 02:53:55.760 --> 02:53:57.896 is not a really satisfactory situation 02:53:57.920 --> 02:53:59.656 where we've already agreed to councelor 02:53:59.680 --> 02:54:02.536 Grundy's 20k. there was an opportunity 02:54:02.560 --> 02:54:05.560 for for a you know a lot of input from 02:54:05.920 --> 02:54:08.536 from staff but if if what we're hearing 02:54:08.560 --> 02:54:11.415 now and what I what I think Melo has 02:54:11.439 --> 02:54:14.056 mentioned is that there are additional 02:54:14.080 --> 02:54:16.295 costs to council grundy's proposal I'm 02:54:16.319 --> 02:54:19.319 happy to you on the fly sort of retrofit 02:54:19.920 --> 02:54:22.920 if you will this to account for that 02:54:24.240 --> 02:54:27.240 um deficiency so whether we need to just 02:54:28.399 --> 02:54:30.295 park that and move to the next one tell 02:54:30.319 --> 02:54:32.776 me how much it is I'll I'll I'll add it 02:54:32.800 --> 02:54:35.016 into ancillary costs to councelor 02:54:35.040 --> 02:54:36.936 Grundy's proposal or something 02:54:36.960 --> 02:54:39.656 DA fees or what have you. 02:54:39.680 --> 02:54:42.455 So So I think the issue might be is that 02:54:42.479 --> 02:54:44.455 so council grundy's bit did come in late 02:54:44.479 --> 02:54:46.136 and they've got figures there. I don't 02:54:46.160 --> 02:54:48.375 know if all staff had the opportunity to 02:54:48.399 --> 02:54:51.255 have a look and comment and and say look 02:54:51.279 --> 02:54:52.696 we don't think this is enough like that 02:54:52.720 --> 02:54:54.696 footpath where we had the fear not quite 02:54:54.720 --> 02:54:57.096 correct so we can 02:54:57.120 --> 02:54:58.136 fair it's fair sorry sorry sorry sorry 02:54:58.160 --> 02:54:58.161 sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry 02:54:58.160 --> 02:54:58.161 sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry 02:54:58.160 --> 02:54:59.255 sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry m I did 02:54:59.279 --> 02:55:01.415 neglect to remember that was actually a 02:55:01.439 --> 02:55:03.496 late bid too yeah so I I I take that 02:55:03.520 --> 02:55:06.520 point and I wonder um if I can um be so 02:55:08.640 --> 02:55:11.576 bold as to ask staff 02:55:11.600 --> 02:55:13.415 what do you reckon I need to chuck into 02:55:13.439 --> 02:55:16.439 this to be the addition costs to fully 02:55:17.279 --> 02:55:19.816 fund the um proposal which we have 02:55:19.840 --> 02:55:22.455 agreed to already from councelor will 02:55:22.479 --> 02:55:23.976 for councelor grundy. 02:55:24.000 --> 02:55:25.496 So staff are going to take this on note 02:55:25.520 --> 02:55:27.016 and come back to us at the 13th of May 02:55:27.040 --> 02:55:27.736 meeting with a 02:55:27.760 --> 02:55:28.295 yeah good 02:55:28.319 --> 02:55:29.576 a figure to include. 02:55:29.600 --> 02:55:30.616 Thank you. 02:55:30.640 --> 02:55:32.216 So let's agree with that as the proposed 02:55:32.240 --> 02:55:33.656 way forward on the pump track. 02:55:33.680 --> 02:55:35.816 Just Mr. Mayor for a moment. I was under 02:55:35.840 --> 02:55:38.295 the understanding that there's no such 02:55:38.319 --> 02:55:40.936 thing as a late bid. Um that we were 02:55:40.960 --> 02:55:43.960 entitled to put in bids at any point. So 02:55:44.479 --> 02:55:45.176 even 02:55:45.200 --> 02:55:46.616 I'm a bit confused. That was my 02:55:46.640 --> 02:55:48.536 understanding. We could put in at any 02:55:48.560 --> 02:55:48.856 time. 02:55:48.880 --> 02:55:51.335 I meant in in terms of like there like 02:55:51.359 --> 02:55:53.255 it came in I I I chucked one in where 02:55:53.279 --> 02:55:55.096 staff like tonight where staff can't 02:55:55.120 --> 02:55:57.415 really comment is I meant late in so far 02:55:57.439 --> 02:55:59.176 as they didn't get a chance to go away 02:55:59.200 --> 02:56:01.736 and thrash it out. So I get it. Fair. 02:56:01.760 --> 02:56:03.255 Okay. So we agreed on the way forward on 02:56:03.279 --> 02:56:05.016 the pump tracks. We can move on to 02:56:05.040 --> 02:56:06.536 council McDonald and the ceiling of 02:56:06.560 --> 02:56:07.255 Matthews Lane. 02:56:07.279 --> 02:56:09.496 Oh goodness me. Thank you. Another one. 02:56:09.520 --> 02:56:12.520 Mayor look um I might just first ask M 02:56:12.800 --> 02:56:15.496 I've had a good number of chats with Mr. 02:56:15.520 --> 02:56:17.496 Kendall and his predecessor about this 02:56:17.520 --> 02:56:19.816 question. I might just ask Mr. Kendall 02:56:19.840 --> 02:56:21.736 if I can through or the appropriate 02:56:21.760 --> 02:56:24.375 staff members through May to to just 02:56:24.399 --> 02:56:27.255 explain firstly the differential between 02:56:27.279 --> 02:56:29.335 the 350 02:56:29.359 --> 02:56:32.359 um 6 odd K and the 1.35 02:56:36.000 --> 02:56:38.776 through you Mr. Mayor. the the two 02:56:38.800 --> 02:56:41.800 options, option one and option two. Um 02:56:41.920 --> 02:56:44.920 option one is a simpler re-shooting of 02:56:44.960 --> 02:56:47.736 the gravel and then a two coat seal, 02:56:47.760 --> 02:56:50.216 spray seal, bumen with a shorter 02:56:50.240 --> 02:56:52.455 design life, design life approximately 5 02:56:52.479 --> 02:56:55.479 to 10 years. Option two is a full 02:56:55.840 --> 02:56:58.840 pavement replacement full drainage 02:56:59.359 --> 02:57:02.216 along the along the 900 m stretch of 02:57:02.240 --> 02:57:04.696 road and a two coat seal with an 02:57:04.720 --> 02:57:07.720 expected design life of 30 years. 02:57:08.240 --> 02:57:11.240 Um thank you. Um look somewhat 02:57:11.439 --> 02:57:13.255 contradict or not contradictory but 02:57:13.279 --> 02:57:15.816 wildly different to advice received on 02:57:15.840 --> 02:57:18.840 the 10th of September of last year which 02:57:18.960 --> 02:57:21.960 stated you know interalia that the um 02:57:22.240 --> 02:57:25.240 that the la the larger project would be 02:57:27.439 --> 02:57:30.439 in the order of $500,000 and the smaller 02:57:31.200 --> 02:57:33.896 being $150,000. 02:57:33.920 --> 02:57:35.415 So that and that was provided to all 02:57:35.439 --> 02:57:38.439 counselors. Um so I I I I I guess I have 02:57:39.760 --> 02:57:42.696 approached this through the entire 02:57:42.720 --> 02:57:45.720 way through as being an estimation of of 02:57:46.560 --> 02:57:49.560 that rough order of magnitude. Now that 02:57:49.680 --> 02:57:52.680 said, um the the 02:57:54.319 --> 02:57:57.016 opportunity and I expect the the road 02:57:57.040 --> 02:57:59.016 engineers and the tech experts are going 02:57:59.040 --> 02:58:00.696 to say always do the better because 02:58:00.720 --> 02:58:01.896 otherwise you're going to be chasing a 02:58:01.920 --> 02:58:03.736 tail with my repairs and what have you 02:58:03.760 --> 02:58:05.415 and do your drainage properly and this 02:58:05.439 --> 02:58:08.136 kind of thing. Um for those who don't 02:58:08.160 --> 02:58:10.696 know Matthew's Lane, and when we it 02:58:10.720 --> 02:58:12.216 doesn't really sort of talk about it 02:58:12.240 --> 02:58:15.240 here, it it's sort of segmented. goes u 02:58:16.399 --> 02:58:19.399 um gravel bmen gravel another 02:58:21.600 --> 02:58:24.375 little bit of bumen then more gravel um 02:58:24.399 --> 02:58:26.616 and then just plant up and down the road 02:58:26.640 --> 02:58:29.496 every 12 months or however long the 02:58:29.520 --> 02:58:31.016 grading schedule is. It's probably 02:58:31.040 --> 02:58:32.856 actually more frequent than the than the 02:58:32.880 --> 02:58:35.176 scheduled grading because it gets in 02:58:35.200 --> 02:58:38.056 such a bad repair that um we have to 02:58:38.080 --> 02:58:40.856 keep establishing the plant. So 02:58:40.880 --> 02:58:43.880 investment wise, better to do the um the 02:58:44.160 --> 02:58:47.096 full job and you know patch your 02:58:47.120 --> 02:58:50.120 potholes every now and again rather than 02:58:50.399 --> 02:58:52.776 still keep spending this money which 02:58:52.800 --> 02:58:55.800 over a 30-year life cost would be far in 02:58:55.840 --> 02:58:58.840 excess of what is proposed. 02:58:59.760 --> 02:59:01.496 I've got a question, Mr. Mayor. 02:59:01.520 --> 02:59:03.976 Yes, councelor Waterhouse. it does this 02:59:04.000 --> 02:59:06.616 take the um the seal to the end of the 02:59:06.640 --> 02:59:09.640 road cuz it's a it's a it's it's goes up 02:59:10.560 --> 02:59:11.816 for a certain distance then it goes 02:59:11.840 --> 02:59:14.840 across then it comes back on itself 02:59:14.960 --> 02:59:16.776 does actually are we talking about that 02:59:16.800 --> 02:59:19.656 entire section was the last section's 02:59:19.680 --> 02:59:21.255 gravel 02:59:21.279 --> 02:59:23.335 that's I think I think I know whose 02:59:23.359 --> 02:59:25.496 property you're sort of talking about to 02:59:25.520 --> 02:59:26.856 councelor Waterhouse 02:59:26.880 --> 02:59:29.255 yes of course you yes and that's why I 02:59:29.279 --> 02:59:31.816 know about it but um because I'm not 02:59:31.840 --> 02:59:33.976 from there But, , it seems to me that 02:59:34.000 --> 02:59:36.136 it it it's a lot of money if it's still 02:59:36.160 --> 02:59:38.696 only half the road and 900 m just 02:59:38.720 --> 02:59:41.720 doesn't sound like the whole of the 02:59:41.760 --> 02:59:44.760 gravel section. Or am I wrong there? Um, 02:59:47.840 --> 02:59:49.816 it's my understanding and and and when I 02:59:49.840 --> 02:59:52.840 asked Mr. um or the um previous director 02:59:53.920 --> 02:59:55.976 of infrastructure to provide advice on 02:59:56.000 --> 02:59:57.896 this, it was for the entirety. 02:59:57.920 --> 03:00:00.295 I didn't get out with the a tape 03:00:00.319 --> 03:00:02.375 measure. Okay, 03:00:02.399 --> 03:00:03.096 thank you. 03:00:03.120 --> 03:00:04.375 Okay, I'm going to make a comment on 03:00:04.399 --> 03:00:06.856 this one. Councilors, 03:00:06.880 --> 03:00:09.096 Mr. Duff, the former chief engineer, did 03:00:09.120 --> 03:00:10.936 a whole lot of work on putting together 03:00:10.960 --> 03:00:13.576 a framework so that we could properly 03:00:13.600 --> 03:00:15.415 identify priorities in terms of sealing 03:00:15.439 --> 03:00:17.656 roads as we go forward. We've always 03:00:17.680 --> 03:00:19.656 said that we're going to finish Williams 03:00:19.680 --> 03:00:22.216 Road and Narra Road before we move on to 03:00:22.240 --> 03:00:24.295 anything else. That work is continuing. 03:00:24.319 --> 03:00:26.136 We don't have the priority list. We 03:00:26.160 --> 03:00:28.295 shouldn't be making a call now to seal 03:00:28.319 --> 03:00:31.319 any road at all. I wouldn't be saying no 03:00:31.520 --> 03:00:33.016 if it was Matthews Lane or any other 03:00:33.040 --> 03:00:34.856 unsealed road out there. I would say no. 03:00:34.880 --> 03:00:36.455 We wait until we have that framework and 03:00:36.479 --> 03:00:38.455 that priority list. So I'll be voting 03:00:38.479 --> 03:00:40.536 against further discussion. Councelor 03:00:40.560 --> 03:00:41.335 Wilson. 03:00:41.359 --> 03:00:43.576 thank you Mayor and you sort of went 03:00:43.600 --> 03:00:46.536 partly to my comment that is and I have 03:00:46.560 --> 03:00:49.560 sympathy for our rural road users and 03:00:49.680 --> 03:00:50.936 in fact that's one of the reasons that 03:00:50.960 --> 03:00:52.455 we did the SRV. I've banged on about 03:00:52.479 --> 03:00:53.656 this tonight was actually put additional 03:00:53.680 --> 03:00:56.375 grading resources in. but as you see 03:00:56.399 --> 03:00:58.536 one of my questions on notice you can 03:00:58.560 --> 03:01:01.096 see that we do a a reheat is we got a 03:01:01.120 --> 03:01:02.616 million dollars in capital works and for 03:01:02.640 --> 03:01:05.496 regional road reheat it's 03:01:05.520 --> 03:01:08.520 $250,000 at three $300,000 that's like 03:01:09.680 --> 03:01:11.096 more than we actually put aside for 03:01:11.120 --> 03:01:13.016 other roads. So I think there's an 03:01:13.040 --> 03:01:15.096 equity issue here and to your point I 03:01:15.120 --> 03:01:17.335 really do think you know I really want 03:01:17.359 --> 03:01:19.176 to say to staff do what you think is 03:01:19.200 --> 03:01:20.856 required get the bundle together and 03:01:20.880 --> 03:01:23.255 then come to us as as a as a as a whole 03:01:23.279 --> 03:01:25.976 piece because I think it really is 03:01:26.000 --> 03:01:27.816 problematic with so many roads that 03:01:27.840 --> 03:01:29.656 we've got to try and manage and um and 03:01:29.680 --> 03:01:31.896 repair and get up to speed. I think 03:01:31.920 --> 03:01:33.415 that's the only way to go forward in in 03:01:33.439 --> 03:01:35.496 that structure that that former director 03:01:35.520 --> 03:01:37.176 did take forward. So, thank you, Mayor. 03:01:37.200 --> 03:01:39.576 And can I can I just in in somewhat of a 03:01:39.600 --> 03:01:42.375 response, I I I take that point. I I I I 03:01:42.399 --> 03:01:45.399 do and I take your point, Mayor. Um and 03:01:45.680 --> 03:01:47.656 I singularly have not looked at this 03:01:47.680 --> 03:01:50.536 through the prism of the of the road 03:01:50.560 --> 03:01:53.176 users or the residents on Matthews Lane. 03:01:53.200 --> 03:01:56.200 I did my own sort of you know, you 03:01:58.000 --> 03:02:00.136 know, consideration of what represents a 03:02:00.160 --> 03:02:03.160 good investment. Um and as I talked 03:02:03.359 --> 03:02:06.136 about previously starting up plant you 03:02:06.160 --> 03:02:08.455 know in this kind of disjointed nonsense 03:02:08.479 --> 03:02:11.335 way to deal with a road which 03:02:11.359 --> 03:02:14.216 realistically shouldn't look like it 03:02:14.240 --> 03:02:17.176 is a major cost and unnecessary in my 03:02:17.200 --> 03:02:20.056 view lifetime cost for maintaining 03:02:20.080 --> 03:02:22.136 that road for council. So I'm not 03:02:22.160 --> 03:02:25.160 singularly you know going off one one 03:02:25.760 --> 03:02:27.496 area of consideration. 03:02:27.520 --> 03:02:30.216 Okay. Further discussion on this one? If 03:02:30.240 --> 03:02:31.816 not, we'll put it to a vote. All those 03:02:31.840 --> 03:02:34.840 in favor, that's a no. The next one is 03:02:35.279 --> 03:02:37.576 Council McDonald, the Children's Park 03:02:37.600 --> 03:02:40.600 Royale. 03:02:42.080 --> 03:02:45.080 Mayor, um this I might actually defer 03:02:46.720 --> 03:02:49.335 to councelor Broadbent. 03:02:49.359 --> 03:02:52.216 Yeah, look um this one and I I thank 03:02:52.240 --> 03:02:54.056 Council McDonald for putting it forward. 03:02:54.080 --> 03:02:57.080 Um this one is one that is really really 03:02:58.240 --> 03:03:01.240 important to Royala but um I am going to 03:03:02.240 --> 03:03:05.240 move that we withdraw it if um council 03:03:05.359 --> 03:03:06.776 McDonald's comfortable with that. Not 03:03:06.800 --> 03:03:08.936 because it's not important but because I 03:03:08.960 --> 03:03:11.816 think if we wait another year um we 03:03:11.840 --> 03:03:13.335 can get them working this year to make 03:03:13.359 --> 03:03:15.016 it very clear what their what their goal 03:03:15.040 --> 03:03:15.496 is. 03:03:15.520 --> 03:03:17.896 Okay, that one's withdrawn. Oh well well 03:03:17.920 --> 03:03:20.455 council McDonald's my my bid and I 03:03:20.479 --> 03:03:23.335 before we do um 03:03:23.359 --> 03:03:25.415 there was a Yep. not noted the time. 03:03:25.439 --> 03:03:28.439 Thank you. Um um there was a 03:03:29.680 --> 03:03:31.736 presentation by members of the community 03:03:31.760 --> 03:03:34.216 from Royalea earlier in the evening. I 03:03:34.240 --> 03:03:35.736 don't want that to just disappear off 03:03:35.760 --> 03:03:38.760 into the ether. How do we Sorry that 03:03:38.800 --> 03:03:40.136 that's going to be managed at a later 03:03:40.160 --> 03:03:42.056 juncture is it okay fantastic. Thank 03:03:42.080 --> 03:03:44.856 you. Um withdrawn. Okay, Council 03:03:44.880 --> 03:03:47.016 McDonald, the SCAR improvement works. 03:03:47.040 --> 03:03:50.040 Um, one question to staff TBC awaiting 03:03:50.560 --> 03:03:53.560 contractor estimates. Um, 03:03:53.920 --> 03:03:55.816 when is that coming? 03:03:55.840 --> 03:03:57.736 M. Richards. 03:03:57.760 --> 03:03:59.335 , through you, Mr. Mayor. I have some 03:03:59.359 --> 03:04:01.335 design options now that was in the 03:04:01.359 --> 03:04:03.255 budget for this year and that will come 03:04:03.279 --> 03:04:06.279 to the community for discussion and 03:04:06.960 --> 03:04:08.455 and to council obviously 03:04:08.479 --> 03:04:11.479 to the to the community or to this 03:04:11.760 --> 03:04:14.760 budget process. 03:04:14.880 --> 03:04:17.880 so I have design options so I don't 03:04:18.000 --> 03:04:21.000 have a costing on those designs yet. 03:04:21.120 --> 03:04:24.056 Okay. To my earlier question, when is 03:04:24.080 --> 03:04:26.136 that contractor estimate going to be 03:04:26.160 --> 03:04:28.776 made available? Um 03:04:28.800 --> 03:04:30.856 or or are we talking about a sequencing? 03:04:30.880 --> 03:04:32.696 We've got to agree on the specific type 03:04:32.720 --> 03:04:34.375 of thing we want and then we have to go 03:04:34.399 --> 03:04:36.455 back out and which seems a strange 03:04:36.479 --> 03:04:37.576 process 03:04:37.600 --> 03:04:38.856 through you Mr. May. Yeah, that's 03:04:38.880 --> 03:04:41.096 correct. So we have some design options. 03:04:41.120 --> 03:04:42.536 We'll be talking with the community 03:04:42.560 --> 03:04:45.016 about what their preferences are. 03:04:45.040 --> 03:04:47.096 Then we can get it costed and it will 03:04:47.120 --> 03:04:49.736 come to council. 03:04:49.760 --> 03:04:50.696 C Willis, 03:04:50.720 --> 03:04:52.375 I just had a question. This is on the 03:04:52.399 --> 03:04:55.399 side of Mount Jurombra. We have a a um a 03:04:55.760 --> 03:04:58.455 plan of management which we're funding 03:04:58.479 --> 03:05:01.335 to do works and you know protect the 03:05:01.359 --> 03:05:04.359 ecological integrity of the reserve. Um, 03:05:05.279 --> 03:05:08.279 so I'm just wondering to what extent 03:05:08.640 --> 03:05:11.640 staff are talking staff working on this 03:05:12.080 --> 03:05:14.295 are talking with other staff. , this 03:05:14.319 --> 03:05:16.295 is the first I've heard of this work and 03:05:16.319 --> 03:05:19.255 so I just want to be confident that 03:05:19.279 --> 03:05:21.496 the the work of the plan of management 03:05:21.520 --> 03:05:24.520 is um referenced or had regard to in any 03:05:26.399 --> 03:05:28.536 anything structural thing proposed to be 03:05:28.560 --> 03:05:31.016 done on the side of the mountain. 03:05:31.040 --> 03:05:33.255 , through you Mr. Mayor. Yeah. both 03:05:33.279 --> 03:05:36.279 both um aspects of work sit in this 03:05:36.560 --> 03:05:39.335 directorate. So although the 03:05:39.359 --> 03:05:41.415 contractor the designer was very keen to 03:05:41.439 --> 03:05:43.816 go up into Mount Jerobra, we made 03:05:43.840 --> 03:05:45.096 very clear that that was not 03:05:45.120 --> 03:05:47.816 permissible. 03:05:47.840 --> 03:05:50.840 Further discussion councilors. 03:05:51.279 --> 03:05:54.136 No. Do we even need to vote on this one? 03:05:54.160 --> 03:05:57.016 No. No. So we wait till we hear further 03:05:57.040 --> 03:05:59.816 back from staff. So then the last one 51 03:05:59.840 --> 03:06:01.496 is Monero Street. So, this is just a 03:06:01.520 --> 03:06:03.335 conversation I had with some staff this 03:06:03.359 --> 03:06:06.216 morning. Considering the roundabout 03:06:06.240 --> 03:06:07.736 is shut, the hungry ducks roundabout all 03:06:07.760 --> 03:06:08.776 the way down to the bridge would be a 03:06:08.800 --> 03:06:11.800 great time to beautify that section of 03:06:11.840 --> 03:06:14.216 road. I was hoping only cost not too 03:06:14.240 --> 03:06:15.415 much money. Beautiful. 03:06:15.439 --> 03:06:17.976 400,000 is is too beautiful. So, I'm 03:06:18.000 --> 03:06:19.255 also going to withdraw this one. 03:06:19.279 --> 03:06:21.656 Councilors, 03:06:21.680 --> 03:06:23.255 I think we've gone through them all. No. 03:06:23.279 --> 03:06:24.616 Council Broadband, 03:06:24.640 --> 03:06:27.016 is it worth is it worth a conversation? 03:06:27.040 --> 03:06:29.335 No. 03:06:29.359 --> 03:06:31.816 Not at 400K. Council Broadband. 03:06:31.840 --> 03:06:34.375 Um, if you'll allow me, I'd like to add 03:06:34.399 --> 03:06:37.255 52. Um, which is what you guys receive. 03:06:37.279 --> 03:06:40.056 Not 52 more, just another 52. Yeah. 03:06:40.080 --> 03:06:43.080 Yes. I can promise not not another 52. 03:06:43.200 --> 03:06:46.200 Um, so late this afternoon, , we as 03:06:46.960 --> 03:06:49.176 councilors all received a an additional 03:06:49.200 --> 03:06:52.200 budget bid from the people of Royala. Um 03:06:52.240 --> 03:06:53.816 and 03:06:53.840 --> 03:06:56.840 that were that that budget bid um even 03:06:57.120 --> 03:06:59.255 though it came in late um I don't think 03:06:59.279 --> 03:07:02.279 should be underestimated. Um there so 03:07:03.680 --> 03:07:06.536 this afternoon there was five people 03:07:06.560 --> 03:07:08.375 booked to speak and we managed to talk 03:07:08.399 --> 03:07:10.295 them down to only one speaking and so I 03:07:10.319 --> 03:07:12.776 thank Heather for speaking on behalf of 03:07:12.800 --> 03:07:14.216 the various community groups that she 03:07:14.240 --> 03:07:15.816 was here to represent um who were 03:07:15.840 --> 03:07:18.840 sitting behind her. um the community 03:07:18.960 --> 03:07:21.255 groups and I'll I'll get into the 03:07:21.279 --> 03:07:23.335 detail around the actual budget bid 03:07:23.359 --> 03:07:24.936 itself in a second, but the community 03:07:24.960 --> 03:07:26.936 groups that this budget bid pertains to 03:07:26.960 --> 03:07:28.616 that are interested and consider this 03:07:28.640 --> 03:07:31.335 essential for them is the Royala Common 03:07:31.359 --> 03:07:34.359 S355, the Royal Community Association, 03:07:34.560 --> 03:07:37.255 the Queenium Pony Club, the Royal Fair 03:07:37.279 --> 03:07:40.056 Association, Royala Land Care, the 03:07:40.080 --> 03:07:42.936 Royala RFS team and group around 03:07:42.960 --> 03:07:45.960 there. the friends of Royale 03:07:46.560 --> 03:07:48.536 common also known as the fork who are 03:07:48.560 --> 03:07:50.696 the the group of people who actually 03:07:50.720 --> 03:07:52.455 give their time to looking after our 03:07:52.479 --> 03:07:55.335 facilities um there at the Royal Common 03:07:55.359 --> 03:07:58.056 um they there is also the stop the 03:07:58.080 --> 03:08:00.856 quarry group is involved and has been 03:08:00.880 --> 03:08:02.936 proponent of this as well so the I guess 03:08:02.960 --> 03:08:05.176 that before I get into the detail it's I 03:08:05.200 --> 03:08:07.816 think it's worth noting um despite this 03:08:07.840 --> 03:08:10.056 bid coming in late it is a budget bid 03:08:10.080 --> 03:08:11.736 that has been considered very important 03:08:11.760 --> 03:08:14.455 to the people of Raala even though it 03:08:14.479 --> 03:08:16.216 took a while to get them through the 03:08:16.240 --> 03:08:18.455 process of developing that budget bid. 03:08:18.479 --> 03:08:19.976 So the budget bid that you've got in 03:08:20.000 --> 03:08:22.216 front of you has a very detailed 03:08:22.240 --> 03:08:25.240 spreadsheet in it. That spreadsheet um 03:08:25.439 --> 03:08:27.816 has a very large scope of work. Um but 03:08:27.840 --> 03:08:29.656 that is not what the budget bid pertains 03:08:29.680 --> 03:08:31.656 to. So what we're asking for or what 03:08:31.680 --> 03:08:34.536 what they are asking for tonight is 03:08:34.560 --> 03:08:37.560 $100,000. Um that $100,000 is 03:08:38.160 --> 03:08:40.616 specifically for two things. and that 03:08:40.640 --> 03:08:43.640 is 34,000 or roughly. So 33,000 whatever 03:08:44.720 --> 03:08:47.720 and change um for a sand arena for 03:08:48.000 --> 03:08:50.936 the ponies and for the horses at as part 03:08:50.960 --> 03:08:53.960 of that pony club activity and 67,000 03:08:54.319 --> 03:08:56.216 for roadbas and materials for 03:08:56.240 --> 03:08:57.816 development of the road which Heather 03:08:57.840 --> 03:09:00.455 mentioned which is specifically 03:09:00.479 --> 03:09:03.479 what was incredibly important um as a 03:09:05.359 --> 03:09:07.976 for for the safety of horse floats and 03:09:08.000 --> 03:09:10.536 the RFS vehicles and all all sorts of 03:09:10.560 --> 03:09:12.856 uses at that property. 03:09:12.880 --> 03:09:15.880 this activity 03:09:16.000 --> 03:09:17.736 links into the grant which is why you 03:09:17.760 --> 03:09:19.335 saw some other some other words in there 03:09:19.359 --> 03:09:22.136 around a grant program. um they are 03:09:22.160 --> 03:09:23.976 putting putting forward grant requests 03:09:24.000 --> 03:09:26.455 for extensive funding. But the the 03:09:26.479 --> 03:09:28.216 purpose of this request is essentially 03:09:28.240 --> 03:09:31.240 to go at worst the Queen facility at the 03:09:31.520 --> 03:09:33.656 Royala Common which is owned by Queenian 03:09:33.680 --> 03:09:36.680 Council as an S355 committee um has a 03:09:37.920 --> 03:09:39.896 basic upgrade and an operational area 03:09:39.920 --> 03:09:41.415 that has been in their plan for 20 years 03:09:41.439 --> 03:09:44.439 which is this road and the arena and 03:09:44.560 --> 03:09:47.096 if they don't get the grant then they 03:09:47.120 --> 03:09:49.335 can live with that. Um, and this is this 03:09:49.359 --> 03:09:50.936 is simply and they will do they're 03:09:50.960 --> 03:09:53.335 they're doing the work themselves for 03:09:53.359 --> 03:09:55.335 road roadworks. They've got all the the 03:09:55.359 --> 03:09:57.096 gear and the people and the tools and 03:09:57.120 --> 03:09:58.375 they're happy to put blood, sweat, and 03:09:58.399 --> 03:10:01.399 tears into it. Um, they simply need 03:10:01.520 --> 03:10:04.375 council support for both the for for the 03:10:04.399 --> 03:10:05.736 funds for the sand arena and the 03:10:05.760 --> 03:10:07.656 roadbased materials. So, I'm happy to 03:10:07.680 --> 03:10:09.816 answer any questions as well. Before we 03:10:09.840 --> 03:10:11.736 go to further count councelor 03:10:11.760 --> 03:10:13.255 comments or questions because we're past 03:10:13.279 --> 03:10:15.656 9:30, I need a procedural motion to 03:10:15.680 --> 03:10:18.216 extend the meeting till 10 p.m. If we 03:10:18.240 --> 03:10:19.496 don't get through all the business, 03:10:19.520 --> 03:10:20.616 we'll need to talk about what we're 03:10:20.640 --> 03:10:22.056 going to do after that. So, I'm going to 03:10:22.080 --> 03:10:23.736 move that procedural motion seconded 03:10:23.760 --> 03:10:25.255 council broadman. We'll vote on that. 03:10:25.279 --> 03:10:26.936 All in favor, that's unanimous and 03:10:26.960 --> 03:10:29.176 carried. So, we will continue till 10. 03:10:29.200 --> 03:10:31.096 Further discussion on the Royale 03:10:31.120 --> 03:10:33.896 equestrian ask. Councelor Willis, 03:10:33.920 --> 03:10:36.455 has have the staff did the have the 03:10:36.479 --> 03:10:38.696 staff been consulted about building 03:10:38.720 --> 03:10:41.720 another road? That's my first question. 03:10:41.840 --> 03:10:44.840 I understand um the Mr. Kendall has 03:10:46.399 --> 03:10:49.096 been in conversation with the Warella. 03:10:49.120 --> 03:10:51.016 Maybe through you, Mr. Mayor. If Mr. 03:10:51.040 --> 03:10:51.736 Kendall could 03:10:51.760 --> 03:10:53.176 Mr. Kendall, are you aware of this 03:10:53.200 --> 03:10:54.696 project? 03:10:54.720 --> 03:10:56.936 Through you, Mr. Mayor. yes. 03:10:56.960 --> 03:10:59.960 Heather from the um U Royale Common 03:11:01.680 --> 03:11:04.680 group and Queen Pony Club contacted me 03:11:04.960 --> 03:11:07.176 um provided the earlier material 03:11:07.200 --> 03:11:09.496 including maps and so forth. we 03:11:09.520 --> 03:11:11.736 discussed around a second entrance which 03:11:11.760 --> 03:11:14.760 was the priority and she explained the 03:11:14.800 --> 03:11:16.295 larger grant that they're applying 03:11:16.319 --> 03:11:19.319 for. So yes. 03:11:19.760 --> 03:11:22.760 Does does staff have a view about 03:11:23.279 --> 03:11:26.279 whether the road the fe the technical 03:11:26.399 --> 03:11:28.696 feasibility of the road any issues 03:11:28.720 --> 03:11:30.696 there's a creek through part of that 03:11:30.720 --> 03:11:33.720 common area 03:11:33.840 --> 03:11:35.576 Mr. Kendall we able to attempt to 03:11:35.600 --> 03:11:37.896 address that one 03:11:37.920 --> 03:11:38.856 your mic's on 03:11:38.880 --> 03:11:41.176 through sorry through you Mr. Mayor. 03:11:41.200 --> 03:11:44.136 in terms of the secondary entrance, 03:11:44.160 --> 03:11:45.976 staff have considered that and a 03:11:46.000 --> 03:11:48.455 section 138 permit would be required to 03:11:48.479 --> 03:11:51.016 enable the secondary entrance. in 03:11:51.040 --> 03:11:53.736 terms of any work on the common grounds, 03:11:53.760 --> 03:11:55.656 um environmental approvals haven't been 03:11:55.680 --> 03:11:58.375 considered by staff. so that would be 03:11:58.399 --> 03:12:00.056 necessary for the works to go ahead 03:12:00.080 --> 03:12:03.080 obviously. Um thank you. 03:12:04.399 --> 03:12:07.096 Um what does the pony sand pit 03:12:07.120 --> 03:12:08.856 entail? Like I said, something that 03:12:08.880 --> 03:12:11.880 needs council approval. 03:12:12.240 --> 03:12:14.295 I certainly wouldn't answer. I'm not 03:12:14.319 --> 03:12:16.856 specific about that. Perhaps 03:12:16.880 --> 03:12:17.816 through you, Mr. Mayor. 03:12:17.840 --> 03:12:18.455 Structure. 03:12:18.479 --> 03:12:19.656 So, yes, 03:12:19.680 --> 03:12:21.816 M. Miller, maybe. 03:12:21.840 --> 03:12:23.816 I'm hoping Miss Mer. 03:12:23.840 --> 03:12:25.335 So, through you, Mr. Mayor. There's been 03:12:25.359 --> 03:12:26.776 a couple of things tonight that I 03:12:26.800 --> 03:12:28.696 haven't had an opportunity to understand 03:12:28.720 --> 03:12:31.656 the site of, but I'm I'm actually really 03:12:31.680 --> 03:12:33.816 concerned and I'd need to provide some 03:12:33.840 --> 03:12:36.840 advice in relation to the sand pit, the 03:12:37.040 --> 03:12:40.040 arena, um, let alone the road. Sorry. 03:12:40.560 --> 03:12:43.560 Yeah. Okay. All all valid um concerns 03:12:43.600 --> 03:12:46.600 and I guess I am open to I hope that 03:12:48.080 --> 03:12:50.375 we approve this tonight. I am open to it 03:12:50.399 --> 03:12:53.399 being I know so Heather has indicated to 03:12:53.760 --> 03:12:56.760 me and I know she had a previous 03:12:56.800 --> 03:12:58.295 conversation with Miss Sloger around 03:12:58.319 --> 03:13:00.216 improving their business case and also 03:13:00.240 --> 03:13:02.375 clarifying around that. But I think it 03:13:02.399 --> 03:13:04.616 would be helpful to the Royale community 03:13:04.640 --> 03:13:06.856 to let this progress. I'm not saying I 03:13:06.880 --> 03:13:09.096 would continue to push it um at the next 03:13:09.120 --> 03:13:11.096 meeting if there's further clarity 03:13:11.120 --> 03:13:13.016 around that. But at the moment I you 03:13:13.040 --> 03:13:15.976 know it it's a bucket worth filling and 03:13:16.000 --> 03:13:17.816 then we can look at the problem in terms 03:13:17.840 --> 03:13:19.096 of whether we can give them the cash 03:13:19.120 --> 03:13:21.255 with all the other other work required 03:13:21.279 --> 03:13:23.576 around that. So 03:13:23.600 --> 03:13:25.176 just a quick comment from me council is 03:13:25.200 --> 03:13:27.016 that I think I'm going to vote 03:13:27.040 --> 03:13:28.536 against this one. I'd like to see prefer 03:13:28.560 --> 03:13:30.215 to see it come back perhaps as a notice 03:13:30.239 --> 03:13:32.136 of motion from councelor Broadbent with 03:13:32.160 --> 03:13:34.056 more information from staff so we can 03:13:34.080 --> 03:13:35.415 have a bit make a bit more of an 03:13:35.439 --> 03:13:36.856 informed decision about it considering 03:13:36.880 --> 03:13:38.776 it came in so late we know so little 03:13:38.800 --> 03:13:41.096 about that project. , councelor 03:13:41.120 --> 03:13:42.936 Willis, did you want to speak to it? 03:13:42.960 --> 03:13:44.616 I I I was just going to say the same 03:13:44.640 --> 03:13:45.976 thing. I think we need more information 03:13:46.000 --> 03:13:48.375 and I don't know if the 13th of May is 03:13:48.399 --> 03:13:50.616 enough time. I mean, I'm broadly 03:13:50.640 --> 03:13:52.696 supportive of the intent here, but 03:13:52.720 --> 03:13:55.720 there's too many unanswered questions. 03:13:57.439 --> 03:13:58.616 Is there any more on this one, 03:13:58.640 --> 03:14:00.215 counselors? If not, we'll put to a vote. 03:14:00.239 --> 03:14:02.295 All in favor? 03:14:02.319 --> 03:14:05.319 That's a no. Okay. I think we I I think 03:14:07.680 --> 03:14:10.295 we've dealt with all of the bit 03:14:10.319 --> 03:14:13.319 budget requests. So, I think we can um 03:14:14.080 --> 03:14:16.856 move a procedural motion to go back into 03:14:16.880 --> 03:14:18.856 or move out of committee. So, I'm 03:14:18.880 --> 03:14:20.375 happy to move that procedural motion. 03:14:20.399 --> 03:14:21.976 Second to councelor McDonald and we'll 03:14:22.000 --> 03:14:23.816 vote on it and that's unanimous and 03:14:23.840 --> 03:14:26.056 carried. 03:14:26.080 --> 03:14:29.080 Got a motion for you to move. 03:14:29.120 --> 03:14:32.120 Okay. So, the staff have have 03:14:32.239 --> 03:14:35.239 put a motion together. relating what 03:14:35.600 --> 03:14:37.335 relating to what we just talked about 03:14:37.359 --> 03:14:40.359 for the last couple of hours. 03:14:53.040 --> 03:14:56.040 That's 1419. 03:15:04.880 --> 03:15:07.880 14 million. That's your fault. 03:15:18.160 --> 03:15:21.160 So that's the draft there, counselors. 03:15:21.200 --> 03:15:23.016 So this is what the staff will now work 03:15:23.040 --> 03:15:25.415 on and will come in the business paper 03:15:25.439 --> 03:15:27.255 that we will debate debate on the 13th 03:15:27.279 --> 03:15:29.176 of May. If we're unhappy, we think 03:15:29.200 --> 03:15:30.295 that's too much, you have the 03:15:30.319 --> 03:15:31.896 opportunity on 13th of May to make 03:15:31.920 --> 03:15:34.696 changes. So, I'm happy to move this. 03:15:34.720 --> 03:15:36.696 Can you explain to me what you're 03:15:36.720 --> 03:15:38.856 seeing, please? 03:15:38.880 --> 03:15:40.295 I don't see that. 03:15:40.319 --> 03:15:42.696 Okay. Council W Council Wilson to read 03:15:42.720 --> 03:15:44.136 it because it's actually behind me. 03:15:44.160 --> 03:15:46.375 Council, thank you. 03:15:46.399 --> 03:15:47.816 Yeah, we're just getting a quick 03:15:47.840 --> 03:15:50.136 amendment bill, but it the council 03:15:50.160 --> 03:15:51.816 include the following projects as 03:15:51.840 --> 03:15:53.255 listed. And so they're all the ones we 03:15:53.279 --> 03:15:56.279 agreed to totaling 1.319 03:15:56.960 --> 03:15:59.576 million into the draft operational plan 03:15:59.600 --> 03:16:00.936 2627. 03:16:00.960 --> 03:16:02.536 That's it. So I move that and councelor 03:16:02.560 --> 03:16:04.056 Wilson's going to second it. 03:16:04.080 --> 03:16:06.536 Mr. Mayor, I've got a point of order. 03:16:06.560 --> 03:16:08.616 specific just because this is my first 03:16:08.640 --> 03:16:09.816 time and I'm enjoying the committee of 03:16:09.840 --> 03:16:11.736 the whole. 12.3 says 03:16:11.760 --> 03:16:13.016 we're not in committee of the whole. We 03:16:13.040 --> 03:16:13.736 move to go back. 03:16:13.760 --> 03:16:16.215 I understand that. 12.3 says on exit 03:16:16.239 --> 03:16:18.056 of the the committee of the whole the 03:16:18.080 --> 03:16:19.335 general manager is supposed to report on 03:16:19.359 --> 03:16:21.576 the outcomes of that committee to 03:16:21.600 --> 03:16:22.776 council. 03:16:22.800 --> 03:16:24.696 Is it are we putting up a motion? I'm 03:16:24.720 --> 03:16:26.215 just just asking that's 03:16:26.239 --> 03:16:26.616 literally 03:16:26.640 --> 03:16:27.656 just asking for clarity. That's 03:16:27.680 --> 03:16:29.096 what she's done is she's drafted this 03:16:29.120 --> 03:16:30.776 motion for us that we're voting on which 03:16:30.800 --> 03:16:33.016 is listed everything we've just voted on 03:16:33.040 --> 03:16:34.375 councilors. I'm going to put the motion. 03:16:34.399 --> 03:16:36.536 All those in favor 03:16:36.560 --> 03:16:39.560 the mo this one here that 03:16:42.399 --> 03:16:44.776 it's unanimous and carried. The next 03:16:44.800 --> 03:16:47.800 item is 4.2 the draft 2026 27 fees and 03:16:49.200 --> 03:16:51.496 charges public exhibition. I'm happily 03:16:51.520 --> 03:16:53.016 move from the chair seconded councelor 03:16:53.040 --> 03:16:55.816 Wilson. 03:16:55.840 --> 03:16:58.840 So just 03:17:03.840 --> 03:17:06.455 So this is agreeing to the fees and 03:17:06.479 --> 03:17:07.976 charge going out on public exhibition. I 03:17:08.000 --> 03:17:09.415 asked a series of questions about some 03:17:09.439 --> 03:17:10.776 of the fees and charges that are 03:17:10.800 --> 03:17:12.936 changing. The questions came through and 03:17:12.960 --> 03:17:14.696 everyone has a copy of them attached in 03:17:14.720 --> 03:17:16.616 the business paper. I'm happy with the 03:17:16.640 --> 03:17:18.536 response we received so far. So I'm 03:17:18.560 --> 03:17:21.176 happy to move as per the business paper. 03:17:21.200 --> 03:17:23.255 The second was councelor Wilson. 03:17:23.279 --> 03:17:24.936 yeah, thank you Mayor. And the only 03:17:24.960 --> 03:17:25.976 thing I just want to highlight in those 03:17:26.000 --> 03:17:27.736 fees and charges that we are maintaining 03:17:27.760 --> 03:17:29.576 the free entry for primary school 03:17:29.600 --> 03:17:31.016 students to our pools which I think is 03:17:31.040 --> 03:17:33.096 excellent. Thank you. Excellent. I have 03:17:33.120 --> 03:17:34.455 seen you councelor Waterhouse, but 03:17:34.479 --> 03:17:35.816 councelor Willis first. 03:17:35.840 --> 03:17:37.816 , thank you. I just wanted to say that 03:17:37.840 --> 03:17:39.656 staff have tried to keep a lot of the 03:17:39.680 --> 03:17:42.680 fee increases, you know, low. , I am 03:17:42.960 --> 03:17:45.960 concerned that the learn to swim prices 03:17:46.560 --> 03:17:49.335 are gone up to $23. You know, next year 03:17:49.359 --> 03:17:51.576 it'll be 25. Children need a lot of 03:17:51.600 --> 03:17:53.255 lessons. And if you've got more than one 03:17:53.279 --> 03:17:55.816 child, that's expensive. And I I would 03:17:55.840 --> 03:17:58.295 like to see us try to investigate 03:17:58.319 --> 03:18:00.455 other options for subsidizing. And that 03:18:00.479 --> 03:18:02.295 includes, you know, a campaign to the 03:18:02.319 --> 03:18:04.936 state government to actually fund water 03:18:04.960 --> 03:18:06.696 safety is what we're talking about. 03:18:06.720 --> 03:18:07.736 Yeah. Thank you. 03:18:07.760 --> 03:18:10.136 Thank you. Councelor Waterhouse, did you 03:18:10.160 --> 03:18:11.576 have a comment? 03:18:11.600 --> 03:18:13.096 Thanks. No, it's all fine. Thank you, 03:18:13.120 --> 03:18:14.536 Council McDonald. 03:18:14.560 --> 03:18:16.696 Thanks, , Mayor. And yes, Councelor 03:18:16.720 --> 03:18:18.616 Willis, I I think that's something we 03:18:18.640 --> 03:18:20.056 should all get behind. There has been 03:18:20.080 --> 03:18:22.455 programs previously. That said, I think 03:18:22.479 --> 03:18:24.215 there's a little bit more to do. I'm a 03:18:24.239 --> 03:18:25.656 bit confused about some of their fees 03:18:25.680 --> 03:18:27.896 and charges with respect to the aquatics 03:18:27.920 --> 03:18:30.455 in so far as increases. There are 03:18:30.479 --> 03:18:32.936 disperate increases. There's for 03:18:32.960 --> 03:18:35.960 instance no percentage increase on the 03:18:36.399 --> 03:18:39.399 cost for a family yet a 6.25% increase 03:18:40.160 --> 03:18:43.160 for the cost of a student or senior. Um 03:18:44.479 --> 03:18:46.375 so there there's some points of 03:18:46.399 --> 03:18:48.215 confusion. I will come back at the next 03:18:48.239 --> 03:18:51.239 um um juncture to um to interrogate 03:18:51.760 --> 03:18:54.760 those more u fully. Um couple of others 03:18:55.920 --> 03:18:58.295 which we do not propose any increase to 03:18:58.319 --> 03:19:00.295 and I think it's a really good thing. Um 03:19:00.319 --> 03:19:03.319 no no increase to um the pet adoption 03:19:03.439 --> 03:19:06.215 fees which is which is really 03:19:06.239 --> 03:19:09.239 important. Um no charge increases across 03:19:10.160 --> 03:19:12.136 our libraries. There's some for inter 03:19:12.160 --> 03:19:13.415 library loans but don't worry about 03:19:13.439 --> 03:19:15.335 that. It's a bit more of a technical 03:19:15.359 --> 03:19:18.359 thing. Um and um something I think we 03:19:19.520 --> 03:19:21.896 have previously had in a draft budget 03:19:21.920 --> 03:19:24.920 and we were all very quick to remove any 03:19:25.120 --> 03:19:28.120 option to increase and that is the um 03:19:29.439 --> 03:19:32.439 cost to bury a child in our cemeteries. 03:19:34.880 --> 03:19:37.255 Further discussion? If not, we'll put 03:19:37.279 --> 03:19:40.279 the motion. All those in favor 03:19:40.319 --> 03:19:42.856 that is unanimous and carried. The next 03:19:42.880 --> 03:19:45.656 item is the 4.3 community reference 03:19:45.680 --> 03:19:48.056 panel preferred rating structure. I'm 03:19:48.080 --> 03:19:50.375 happy to move from the chair. We have a 03:19:50.399 --> 03:19:53.255 second councelor Wilson and I'll just 03:19:53.279 --> 03:19:55.176 talk very briefly on this. So we put 03:19:55.200 --> 03:19:57.096 together the reference panel. They did a 03:19:57.120 --> 03:19:58.375 whole lot of work. A big thank you to 03:19:58.399 --> 03:20:00.375 the staff. I know some of those meetings 03:20:00.399 --> 03:20:02.375 there was a lot of lively debate and 03:20:02.399 --> 03:20:03.896 strong characters involved in our 03:20:03.920 --> 03:20:06.455 reference panel and disagreements on 03:20:06.479 --> 03:20:08.696 the best way forward. I think where 03:20:08.720 --> 03:20:11.016 we've landed which is basically I 03:20:11.040 --> 03:20:12.455 believe to continue down the same path 03:20:12.479 --> 03:20:14.936 we've been on is is what the 03:20:14.960 --> 03:20:16.776 reference panel has determined and I'm 03:20:16.800 --> 03:20:19.800 happy to endorse that. The second was 03:20:19.840 --> 03:20:22.056 councelor Wilson. Did you want to speak 03:20:22.080 --> 03:20:23.656 to the item council Wilson? 03:20:23.680 --> 03:20:25.816 Thank you Mayor. Just to thank the panel 03:20:25.840 --> 03:20:27.576 for their work. It's I think a lot of 03:20:27.600 --> 03:20:28.936 good intention walks into the room and 03:20:28.960 --> 03:20:30.375 they often end up in the same space as 03:20:30.399 --> 03:20:32.215 the previous panels and I don't mean 03:20:32.239 --> 03:20:33.736 that flippantly. I think it's it's 03:20:33.760 --> 03:20:36.760 difficult to find a a a solution that 03:20:36.960 --> 03:20:39.415 works for all. My only comment I think 03:20:39.439 --> 03:20:41.576 in future years and this is not a you 03:20:41.600 --> 03:20:43.016 know anything to worry about but in 03:20:43.040 --> 03:20:45.496 future years we have now merged 03:20:45.520 --> 03:20:47.576 the water and sewer funds and those 03:20:47.600 --> 03:20:49.096 those original rating structures were 03:20:49.120 --> 03:20:50.696 set way back when we had different water 03:20:50.720 --> 03:20:52.215 and sewer funds across Queen and 03:20:52.239 --> 03:20:54.215 Palarang in the merger sense. So 03:20:54.239 --> 03:20:55.016 something probably think about the 03:20:55.040 --> 03:20:56.136 future years but other than that good 03:20:56.160 --> 03:20:57.255 work. Thank you. 03:20:57.279 --> 03:20:59.016 Thank you. Council Waterhouse did you 03:20:59.040 --> 03:21:01.415 have your hand up? No. Council Willis. 03:21:01.439 --> 03:21:03.096 Thank you. I just wanted to ask why the 03:21:03.120 --> 03:21:05.496 staff haven't picked up the the 03:21:05.520 --> 03:21:08.215 panel's suggestion to have periodic 03:21:08.239 --> 03:21:10.136 review of the rate structure every four 03:21:10.160 --> 03:21:12.616 to five years etc which is in the 03:21:12.640 --> 03:21:13.896 report. I think that's a really good 03:21:13.920 --> 03:21:16.920 suggestion and I would be it wasn't 03:21:17.120 --> 03:21:19.016 picked up in the recommendation. Is 03:21:19.040 --> 03:21:20.856 there some other way the council can 03:21:20.880 --> 03:21:22.375 have that before it to consider 03:21:22.399 --> 03:21:24.536 endorsing it so it happens? 03:21:24.560 --> 03:21:26.215 Miss Monahan. 03:21:26.239 --> 03:21:29.239 Um through you chair. Um yes, it can be 03:21:30.080 --> 03:21:32.696 a additional resolution um or it can 03:21:32.720 --> 03:21:34.215 just be included in your delivery 03:21:34.239 --> 03:21:37.239 program when you adopt it um next um 03:21:37.680 --> 03:21:39.656 next meeting. 03:21:39.680 --> 03:21:40.616 Thanks. 03:21:40.640 --> 03:21:42.616 Is there further discussion? We'll put 03:21:42.640 --> 03:21:45.335 the motion. All those in favor that is 03:21:45.359 --> 03:21:48.359 unanimous and carried. 03:21:50.239 --> 03:21:53.239 Considering the time we got 15 minutes. 03:21:53.279 --> 03:21:54.936 All right. The next one's going to be 03:21:54.960 --> 03:21:57.335 5.1 councelor questions on agenda item 03:21:57.359 --> 03:22:00.136 for 29 April 2026 and I'll move from the 03:22:00.160 --> 03:22:01.816 chair second to councelor broadband. Is 03:22:01.840 --> 03:22:03.496 there any discussion? We'll put the 03:22:03.520 --> 03:22:05.736 motion all in favor unanimous and 03:22:05.760 --> 03:22:08.616 carried. We are now going to move into 03:22:08.640 --> 03:22:11.096 close session. So I will move that we 03:22:11.120 --> 03:22:12.455 move into close session for the reasons 03:22:12.479 --> 03:22:14.936 I set out in the business paper. Second 03:22:14.960 --> 03:22:16.375 to councelor Preston and we'll vote on 03:22:16.399 --> 03:22:18.215 that. Council's all in favor. That's 03:22:18.239 --> 03:22:19.576 unanimous and carried. We're going to 03:22:19.600 --> 03:22:22.600 close session. 03:22:23.200 --> 03:22:25.096 We're now back in open session. So, I'll 03:22:25.120 --> 03:22:26.616 read through the resolutions made in 03:22:26.640 --> 03:22:28.536 close session. So, was item 15.1 03:22:28.560 --> 03:22:30.696 assessment for an interim heritage order 03:22:30.720 --> 03:22:33.016 23 Surveyor Street Queen. It resolved 03:22:33.040 --> 03:22:34.776 that council notes one, technical 03:22:34.800 --> 03:22:36.295 reports and legal advice regarding the 03:22:36.319 --> 03:22:38.776 blue gum on 23 Surveyor Street Queen, 03:22:38.800 --> 03:22:40.536 which is within the Queen Conservation 03:22:40.560 --> 03:22:42.536 Area. Two, that development consent 03:22:42.560 --> 03:22:44.295 would be required for its removal. and 03:22:44.319 --> 03:22:46.215 three, the heritage significance of the 03:22:46.239 --> 03:22:48.295 site will continue as part of the review 03:22:48.319 --> 03:22:51.319 of schedule 5 of the QPR LAP. , we've 03:22:52.160 --> 03:22:53.496 reached the end of the business paper. 03:22:53.520 --> 03:22:56.520 The time is 9:50 p.m. , thank you 03:22:57.439 --> 03:22:58.776 staff. Thank you, councilors. I declare 03:22:58.800 --> 03:23:01.800 the meeting closed.