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Good evening and welcome to the ordinary

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meeting of council for the 26th of

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November 2025. A reminder to all in

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attendance that tonight's meeting is

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being webcast live and a recording of

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the meeting will be archived to

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council's website. I begin today by

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acknowledging the traditional custodians

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of the land on which we meet and pay

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respects to Elders past, present and

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emerging and extend that respect to

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Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander People

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here today. We acknowledge the stories,

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traditions and living cultures of Aboriginal

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and Torres Strait Islander People on this land

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and commit to building a brighter future

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together.

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for apologies. So councilors, we have

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three apologies tonight. So I'll move

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that the apologies for

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non-attendance from councilors MacDonald,

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Schweiert, and Wilson be received and

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that leave of absence be granted. And

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I'll ask for a second, councelor

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Broadbent. And we'll put that motion

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councilors all in favor. It's unanimous

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and carried. Confirmation of minutes. So

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I'll move that the minutes of the

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ordinary meeting of council held in the

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WB Freebody chambers Nelly Hamilton

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Centre on Wednesday 12 November 2025 be

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confirmed. I'll ask for a second.

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Councelor Broadbent. Is there any

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discussion on the minutes? Councilors,

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Councilor Willis,

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that I just wanted to check that they

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had been amended they have so that

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item the minutes for item was it nine?

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 no, what was it? It was for the

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urgency motion. They're now accurate.

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Yeah. Thank you.

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Yeah. So, that's been done and I'll

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thank the Deputy Mayor for chairing that

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meeting councilors, we will put that

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motion all in favor. That's unanimous

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and carried. Disclosure of interest. So

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I'll move that council and staff now

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disclose any interest and reasons for

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declaring such interest in the matters

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under consideration by council at this

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meeting. And I'll ask for a seconder

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Councelor Preston put that motion.

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Councilors all in favor unanimous and

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carried. And I will ask councilors if

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there are any disclosures. Councelor

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Grundy.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor.  I wish to

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disclose a non pecuniary interest less

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than significant relating to item 9.6.

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 I am or have an in-law that is 

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an owner of one of the adjoining

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properties.

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9.1.

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Yeah, sure. It's 9.6.

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9.1. I did read 9.1 and said 9.6. I beg

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you pardon. 9.1.

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Thank you.  councelor Willis.

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 thank you. Yes, I have and apologies.

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Apologies, councelor Grundy.

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And I will  be staying in the chamber

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and voting. Thank you.

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Councelor Willis.

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Thank you. Yes, I have a a non-pecuniary

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less than significant interest in item

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911. I think it is the heritage grants.

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 and I'll leave propose to leave the

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chamber.

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Thank you. Is there any further

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conflicts of interest? No. Okay, we can

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move on.

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So the next item is the adjournment for

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the public forum. So I'll move that the

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meeting be adjourned to conduct the

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public forum and I'll ask for a second

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councilor Preston and put that motion all

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in favor unanimous and carried. So we're

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now in the public forum and a reminder

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that the public forum is also being

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live streamed. So councils tonight we have

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four presenters via Zoom. We have nine

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presenters who have registered to speak

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in person and we'll also be receiving a

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special presentation from the CFO. We're

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going to start with the four presenters

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via Zoom.

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I'm just going to find my list,

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which is

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Yeah, I've got it. Okay. So, the first

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presenter is going to be Andrew Doran.

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Yeah. Can you hear us, Andrew?

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I can. , yes, I can. Thank you.

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Okay. Does he need to turn his camera

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on?

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Yeah. Can you turn your camera on cuz we

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can't actually see you.

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Yeah, no problem.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for

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joining us. You'll have three minutes.

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 there'll be wind up bell at 2 and a

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half minutes. And please let the

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counselors know which agenda item you're

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speaking on and whether you're for or

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against the recommendation in the

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business paper.

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Okay. Thank you Lord Mayor and

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counselors.  I'm speaking on regard

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item 9.1 and for the development my

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name's Andrew Doring and I'm the

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architect for this project and I just

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want to give everyone I guess a bit of a

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background on on the process that we've

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gone through. So um the childcare center

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has actually was approved back in almost

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30 years. In fact it's 30 years next

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year since it has been approved as a

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child care center at the site and my

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client the owners they've actually owned

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it since 2007.

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 we lodged the DA for this on the 30th

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of August  last year. So, it's been

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quite a process and we've gone through

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around five DA amendments working with

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council traffic engineers, traffic

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committee, council heritage

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consultants, waste management, 

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staff, the planning and development team

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and also the senior management for the

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development as well.

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The changes I guess have mainly been

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around car parking  in regard to

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ensuring that we do have adequate staff

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and   parent parking which we've

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delineated the two. So we've got

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existing four spaces at the back now for

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staff and that's been  duplicated in a

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stack parking arrangement so it doesn't

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affect the the the laneway movements.

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Staff are always staggered in childcare

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centers as is parent drop off we're

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fortunate that the traffic committee 

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unanimously supported the revised design

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 which was worked in

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conjunction with council planners as

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well to achieve a car park at the front

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which is purely just for parents and

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it's a it's a great asset for the area

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considering that they only have street

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parking for parents at the moment. Um so

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that's been achieved. the the second

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story edition is is has been carefully

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considered. So it is more of a pavilion

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style. It's over 50 m from the street.

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So you cannot see it in perspective cuz

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it's only 1.3 m above the current ridge

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line of the existing singlestory center.

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So it's it's it's

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been designed quite low and

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and so it isn't dominant. And we've

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worked very closely with the with

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heritage consultants at council to

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ensure that all the materiality and the

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color scheme works within the heritage

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conservation zone and um and sits very

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well within the streetscape. Um, and I

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guess I just want to say that yeah,

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we've we've  we've we've really

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enjoyed working with the whole team at

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council over the last 15 months. And the

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end result is, you know, we've got to

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fully supported by the traffic

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committee, the heritage consultants, the

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planning team and and the senior

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development team to achieve a great

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outcome for the community.

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Hey, thank you for your presentation,

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council. The next presenter online is

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going to be Ronnie Gibson.

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Yep. Can you hear us, Ronnie?

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, yep. Ron. Oh, Robbie.

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It does say Robbie. My apologies

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thanks for joining us. You'll have three

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minutes. There'll be one up bell and two

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and a half minutes. , so Robbie

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speaking on item 9.1 and he is against

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the recommendation. I'll hand over to

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you, Rob.

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 thank you

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I guess my concerns with it, it's

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just too big for  an R2

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low density residential zone.

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it's mainly

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the the upper story edition at the back

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goes right to the boundary on three

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sides. It doesn't have a 4m set back to

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the rear lane which is normally required

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in this zone.

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 the building is 70m too big

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compared to what you're allowed with the

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floor space ratio of the New South Wales

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child care guidelines.

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the site coverage is about 50% more than

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what it should be. This is  not a

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minor variation. It's actually 50% more.

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Um and say in in the the report

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them saying that the excess site

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coverage is largely caused by the

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outdoor play area and therefore does not

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reflect an overdevelopment of the site.

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Well, that's just not right. The outdoor

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play area is on the upper level. It has

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1.8 m high walls that are right on the

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boundary and it greatly adds to bulk

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overshadowing and blocking of views. Um,

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it's the bulk overshadowing and blocking

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of views that are the kind of things

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that site coverage aims to moderate.

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Um so it is to me I it is clear that the

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proposal doesn't meet the objectives of

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um RZ2 low density residential

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and so I believe it should not go ahead

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in its current form.

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So that's all I have to say and thank

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you for your time.

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Okay, thank you Robbie council. The next

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presenter is Will Pearson

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Pearson.

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It does say person. All right, I got

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Ronny. I got Ronnie wrong, but it does

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say Will Person. Okay, Will.

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Yeah. Can you hear us, Will?

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Can you hear us?

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There he is. Thanks for joining us.

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Hello.

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You'll have you'll have three minutes

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for your presentation. There'll be a

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wind up bell at two and a half minutes.

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So, Will speaking on item 9.2, not 9.1.

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So, 9.2 and he's for the recommendation

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in the business paper.

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Over to you, Will.

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Thank you, mayor and councilors. ,

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yes, my name is Will Pearson. I'm the

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planning manager with Village Building

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Co., and I am speaking for the

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recommendation at item 9.2.

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 village is the applicant for this

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subdivision application which is known

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as stage 2e subdivision of south jo. The

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subdivision application seeks approval

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for the following  creation of 31

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dwelling lots along a new public road.

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The creation of two super lots. The

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creation of two open space lots. the

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extension of Ailia Avenue which

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functions as the collector through

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Estate 2 and Environa Drive which is the

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um subarterial road  linking back to

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Thompson Drive um and associated

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infrastructure and servicing and

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landscaping.

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The single dwelling lots range in size

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from 350 m to approximately 420 m and

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will provide a more affordable land

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price compared to the larger lots that

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are currently on the market in South

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Jerobomb.

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The subdivision is related to two

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recently approved development

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applications. That's DA 2025272

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which approved preliminary earth works

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to support this subdivision application.

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The application was approved by council

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on the 29th of August this year. Um it

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also relates to the recently approved 

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2025303

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which approved the subdivision of land

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known as the northern catchment which

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surrounds the subject site within the 2e

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subdivision that was approved in at the

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start of the month by the regional

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planning panel.

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In combination with these two

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applications, the subject application

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largely completes the estate to

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development at South Arab, which is

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consistent with the approved concept

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development application.

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Council staff assessment concludes that

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the application is generally consistent

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with the local environmental plan and

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the development control plan as well as

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the overarching development concept

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development application for estate 2.

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Village agrees with this assessment. If

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approved, the development will occur in

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adherence to general terms of agreement

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from relevant New South Wales agencies,

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including the rural fire service.

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Finally, village would like to thank the

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councilors for their ongoing support of

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development at South Bombra in general,

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and we encourage the councilors to

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approve this application for the next

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stage of the estate. Thank you very

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much.

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Thank you. So, council's the last

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presenter via Zoom is going to be John

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Tuckwell.

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in adherence to general terms of

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agreement from relevant New South Wales

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agencies.

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Thanks, John. Thanks for joining us.

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You'll have three minutes and we wind up

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bell at 2 and a half minutes. John, so

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John, speaking on item 9.5, which is a

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submissions report on the draft Bradwood

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structure plan. John,

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thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, good evening,

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councilors and staff. Um I've only just

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come in so I missed um whether or not

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you introduced me. My I'm John Tuckwell

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from Braidwood speaking on 9.5 and I'm

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in favor of the staff proposal for the

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revised Brawood structure plan to be

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placed on exhibition. We would like

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though to see a small extension to the

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exhibition period and as you all know

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structure plans are crucial planning

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documents and it's essential we get them

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right. Um although that the proposed

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public consultation is longer than

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normal, it falls over the festive season

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and the holiday period and is proposed

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from to be from the first week of

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December until the 6th of February. Um

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for many volunteers, this is the very

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time they look forward to be able to

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rest, recuperate, and recharge. And you

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may be the same. Um, the Braywood

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Community Association would therefore

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like to respectfully request  that

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councilors pass a motion to extend the

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consultation period until at least the

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20th of February. Um, longer would be

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nicer. Um, part of the reason for this

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request is that the revised draft

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structure plan is radically different to

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the one to the draft presented in

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December last year. And this is

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principally due to a substantial

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downwards um revision of the population

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projections. So we've gone from last

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year's projections of 2.55%

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medium projection to this current um

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document has a medium projection of

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1.25%.

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So that's having the population growth

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in just 11 months. Um and what does that

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mean when you're talking about housing

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demand? It suggests that we in Braaywood

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only needs now 200 new homes rather than

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900 previously by 201. So pump compound

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growth is a very powerful thing.

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And for your information, I've submitted

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some questions on notice about the

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population projections because there's

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some questions there and hopefully we'll

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have answers  for your next meeting.

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um and this includes whether or not we

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can consider a different approach to

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treating population issues. So

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population growth to date has been

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treated as a given and the scale of the

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potential new development areas are

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determined on the basis of these

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projections essentially. A different

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approach would be for the community to

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determine what level population it wants

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and there is a strong desire by

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residents here to retain the essential

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character of Bravewood. It's a very

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special place as many of you know and

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this includes wanting to keep Brawood as

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a small engaged community and one which

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protects its unique historic qualities

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and rural settings and allowing for

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sustainable growth. Thank you for your

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attention.

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Thank you. So councilors, we now have

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nine in-person presentations and we're

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going to deal with them in order of

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agenda item. I'll just read this out

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once for everyone who's in attendance.

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So, I'll confirm your name and the

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agenda item you're speaking to and 

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you'll have three minutes and there'll

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be a windup bell at 2 and 1/2 minutes.

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I'm going to deal with them in terms of

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agenda item and then in order of when

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they registered. So, the first presenter

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is going to be on is Sue Gibson on item

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9.1 and she's against the

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recommendation.

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Good evening.

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I'm a resident of Isabella Street and I

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wish to speak against 9.1.

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This DA proposes a commercial

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doublestory building in the residential

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heritage conservation area in the center

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of Queenian.

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Apparently, the proposal has not even

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been considered by the council's

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heritage committee, and so no report has

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been presented to the council as yet,

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and I trust you will read one before you

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make a final decision.

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Printed on the council website as

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attachment five to this document

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together with the historic documents I

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sent to council because their archives

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are lost are the residents of Queenbin's

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objections to this DA.

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Councilors, please read them and will

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realize that the current proposed DA

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does not comply with many of the

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council's regulations for buildings in

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the residential heritage conservation

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area. In 1995, the developers wanted to

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have a car park in the front garden of

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the mans of Crawford Street. You can see

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a map of that on the on those documents

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I submitted. Counts rejected this,

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saying it was detrimental to the

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heritage streetscape. They also did not

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allow a single tree in the front garden

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to be cut down. Instead, 12 indented

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street car parks were created, which

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meant residents lost seven of their all

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day Parall Street cur parking.

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Four staff car parks were made beside

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the residents lane, although this was

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against the council's recommendations.

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The current proposal once again to

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change the residential front garden into

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a parking lot in a residential

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conservation heritage area. This will

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definitely destroy one of the last

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historic heritage streetscapes we have

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in Queen. I asked this council to

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respect the decisions made by previous

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Creamian councils in 1995 and 2002 to

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preserve the historic heritage parts of

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Queenian and ask you to reject the

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current proposals.

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In 1995, the developer was required to

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plant a screen of against the new

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building in the back lane. The new

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high-rise building will come right to

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the boundary, so these established

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plants will be removed. No mention is

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made in the current proposal about the

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vegetation in the lanes.

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The building site with scaffolding and

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trucks will block the lane for the

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residents car access to their

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properties. I ask you councilors to read

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the letter I wrote in 1995 to every

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counselor now printed twice in

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attachment five as document A and on

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page and document on pages 164 and 168.

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And please read document G, page 185, my

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objection in 2002.

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My views expressed then are still

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relevant today. I ask you to uphold

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decisions made by past councils because

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the traffic and parking situation has

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not improved. It's much worse and the

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need to preserve our heritage

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streetscape of Queenian has become more

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urgent. I urge you not to change one of

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the remaining Heritage Streetscapes

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which lies in the Heritage Conservation

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Central precinct. Do not allow this

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childcare center to increase in size by

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building a twostory commercial building

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and changing a front garden on the

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Heritage Streetscape into a parking lot.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, council. The next presenter

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is Trevor Gibson.

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Um, I'll follow on from what Sue had to

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say. I'm a resident at Isabella Street

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with um

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our back gardens facing the big wall

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which is proposed as um part of the

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extension to the

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childcare center. I object to the

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building of two stories on the laneway

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boundary. Firstly, the lane was created

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for the residents backing onto it from

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the subdivision of um Alice H, I think

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her name was land which was part of her

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estate. The laneway was not created

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for the land given to the church. If

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council decides to continue giving

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access to the child care center from the

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lane, the condition of not hampering

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access to and the use of the laneway

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parking by the residents should be

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strictly um policed and upheld.

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, also we have um a tenant in a

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property 14 Isabella Street. Um, she

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couldn't attend the meeting, so I'm

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reading her

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um submission. I, Monica Upward Garcia,

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submit my opposition to development

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application for the following reasons.

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The development application

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proposed will block crucial access to my

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residence during the build. Significant

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increase in traffic on the small

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residential use lane behind Isabella

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Street will become unmanageable and lead

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to limited access for residents of

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Isabella Street. In the development

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application is successful, including

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blocking my access to my residence.

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If successful,

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the current proposal designs will lead

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to an invasion of privacy of my

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residence from the multi-story

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development and the development

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application does not account for the

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historic value of the block as evidenced

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by the inclusion of the multi-story

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design.

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In closing, I strongly recommend the

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development application be denied

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or significant changes made to the

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current design to respect the serious

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concerns raised above. Thank you from

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Monica Upward Garcia, resident of 40B as

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Bell Street. Um, so thank you for

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listening to um Mon Monica's um input as

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well as my own personal one of being

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right opposite a very very large

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um

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 wall of brick which is perched up on

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top of columns and is not very um 

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heritage orientated. Thank you for

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listening.

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Thank you. The next presenter is Sue

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Jarvis.

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Good evening everyone. Mayor,

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councilors, my name is Sue Jarvis

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and I wish to speak against this

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proposal.

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I'm asking for deferral of this

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development until

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the council heritage committee has had

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the opportunity to comment on it. I

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thought that's what council committees

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were for. They were in my day. The

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counselors have not had a site

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inspection

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to my knowledge anyway. a safety report

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has has a safety report been prepared

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for the possibility of a fire

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in the evacuation

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I'm told of over a 100 children in a

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child care center and these days child

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care centers include babies in

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bassinets.

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There is no open grass area for that

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number of children. In fact, I suppose

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they would have to be bust to the local

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oval so that they could um have their

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time on the grass, god forbid.

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I asked that a public exhibition of the

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pro of the proposal

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be given to those people particularly in

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the immediate area

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and I also ask the mayor or the

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counselors to hold a public meeting to

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discuss this development and the future

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of the town's heritage areas all of

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them. If this goes ahead,

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we are in deep trouble with our heritage

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areas.

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We are the beginning of Canra. Don't

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forget that.

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Do we value our old town? I don't know

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whether a lot of the people who are

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coming now to the town actually even

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know anything about the history. I think

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we need to become far more public in

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what our proposals are and a public

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meeting I suggest. Thank you for

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listening.

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Thank you councilors. The next presenter

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is Helen Gibson.

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Hi. Hi, Mayor and counselors and thank

00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.895
you for the opportunity to speak today.

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Um, I want to address this concern

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because I live in a heritage

00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.096
conservation area directly affected by

00:27:37.120 --> 00:27:40.120
this proposal. , the development

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fundamentally alters the character that

00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.039
council is responsible for protecting.

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Council's own report recognizes this

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.736
site is within the heritage conservation

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area and near a listed heritage item.

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Even the heritage advisor notes that the

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non-compliance remains including the

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height, scale, bulk and the use of the

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front setback for parking. These are

00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.480
core breaches of the DCP and not minor

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matters. I am very myiffed about why or

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concerned about why the um heritage

00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:18.760
conservation  community committee is

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it has not been consulted on this

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matter. I know that this DA started when

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um that had not yet been formed but has

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now been about five or six months. We've

00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.720
been through three rounds of um amen 

00:28:36.399 --> 00:28:38.775
amendments to this DA and it has not

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been brought to their table. So they

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have not been able to comment as a

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representative of the community on this

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project.

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 that actually

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does not align with the heritage

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advisory committee's sort of goals which

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are to comment and recommend on

00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.535
development applications in line with

00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.559
the referral pathway. And this referral

00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.240
pathway clearly identifies that major or

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or non-compliant development in heritage

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conservation areas should be reported to

00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.255
the committee at the discretion of the

00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.816
director of planning and environment. So

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I yeah but I would say that this is

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quite a big project has had a lot of

00:29:25.760 --> 00:29:28.296
rounds of feedback from the community

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and it should be um at least

00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.255
 the community should be able to know

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a bit more about what's happening with

00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:40.360
this  project.  I also note that the

00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:44.296
local traffic committee's unanimous

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support for the front car park relates

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only to traffic engineering. It cannot

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and should not override heritage values

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or exempt the development from complying

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with the BCP.

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I also believe that KI patch is no

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longer a small family  business. It is

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part of a massive GA education which is

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Australia's largest forprofit childcare

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operator running more than 400 centers

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and reporting about two 22.5 million net

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profits in the last half a year after

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tax. They have no invested interest in

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the CBD traffic congestion, our heritage

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precinct or the amenity of local

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residents. Heritage areas are fragile

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and once compromised they do not

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recover. I urge councilors to uphold the

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intent of the DCP prioritize heritage

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protection and reject this proposal due

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to the significant impact on Crawford

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Street and public domains in the rear of

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the block of this beautiful part of

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Queenium. Thank you.

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Thank you council. Next presenter is

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Frank Resnik.

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Good evening, Mayor, councilors. Um,

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thank you for the opportunity. Um, I am

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here to ask quite sincerely that there's

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got to be a lot more consideration,

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right, in allowing the DA of the

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childcare center to be approved. There

00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:27.096
there are some considerations. The

00:31:27.120 --> 00:31:29.416
speakers before me have given you her

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heritage and

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um other reasons for objecting to it.

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I'm here wholly and solely right to

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address what I consider as an extremely

00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.456
serious issue for the CBD and that's

00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.696
traffic congestion and safety which I

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don't think has been considered. Um over

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the past year we've seen a number of

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decisions and infrastructure changes

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converge in a very small geographical

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area. Crawford Street, Rutled Street,

00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.495
Monero Street, and the surrounding

00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.655
school zones.

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Each one has an impact, but together

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they are creating a perfect storm that

00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:08.600
our local streets simply cannot absorb.

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I lived across the road from the

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childcare center for some 3 years. I

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.696
know what the impact of the traffic

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.720
congestion can create.

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So firstly, the council has also

00:32:21.760 --> 00:32:23.895
recently approved a major development of

00:32:23.919 --> 00:32:26.056
178 residential units, commercial

00:32:26.080 --> 00:32:28.056
tenencies, and significant underground

00:32:28.080 --> 00:32:30.856
parking. And I don't know exactly what

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the significant is, but only a short

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distance from the child care center

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that we are speaking about tonight. Even

00:32:38.399 --> 00:32:39.976
though the towers have not yet been

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.535
constructed, that approval locks in a

00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.495
large influx of residents, cars,

00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.736
delivery, service vehicles, ride share

00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:50.056
traffic, and visitor parking demand all

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within the same the same tight CBD grid.

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Secondly, at the same time, Monero and

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Street is undergoing extensive upgrades

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with the projected multi-year

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construction program um I believe around

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about 2 years. And that would surprise

00:33:07.760 --> 00:33:09.416
me if we get it done in that time. The

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diversions, the lane restrictions, heavy

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.255
equipment movements, and altered traffic

00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.655
flows have already caused some increased

00:33:15.679 --> 00:33:17.576
congestion, slower travel times, and

00:33:17.600 --> 00:33:20.056
unpredictable movements through the CBD.

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All right. On the project that's in

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Crawford Street, that project has not

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even reached its most disruptive phase

00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.976
yet. When you overlay these major

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.296
changes with the existing conditions,

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the problem becomes unmistakable.

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Within a few hundred meters of this

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corridor, we have Queen Public Schools,

00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.856
several preschools and Long Day child

00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:41.880
care centers, Ky Patch, the childcare

00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:44.375
center that we are talking about, and

00:33:44.399 --> 00:33:45.895
community facilities attracting high

00:33:45.919 --> 00:33:48.296
pedestrian movement. We've got medical

00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:50.775
practices and we've got churches. All

00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.799
have high parking considerations that

00:33:53.919 --> 00:33:56.216
need to be addressed.

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The area already operates at peak

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pressure twice a day. Anybody that has

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been around Isabella Street, my five

00:34:03.840 --> 00:34:06.216
grandchildren all attended Isabella

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Street, so I know what the pickups and

00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.256
the drop offs are like. The parents park

00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.280
on Verge VGES, perform U-turns, double

00:34:14.560 --> 00:34:16.296
park, and queue along Rutage and

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Crawford Streets simply because the

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.000
network no longer has spare capacity.

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And the council sends the rangers in

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because that's the solution. Let's book

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the people because we haven't created

00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.800
enough gas spaces. And now with 178

00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.776
approved units sent to feed into the

00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.016
same road network combined with Monero

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Street restrictions and no new

00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.095
established parking provisions to offset

00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.895
the grow the growth. The CBD is on the

00:34:41.919 --> 00:34:44.919
brink of serious functional failure.

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Mr. Breznik, you're well over 3 minutes.

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I'm going to have to ask you to sum up.

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Sorry,

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very quickly.

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I didn't realize. Did I hear it? No,

00:34:53.919 --> 00:34:56.536
obviously not. I'm deaf. Henry,

00:34:56.560 --> 00:34:58.136
me getting me getting you to stop

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talking is definitely a first, but you

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have 20 more seconds.

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You know me so well. Um, look, in in

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summary, right, I I just really implore

00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.400
the council, right, to sit down. We have

00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:14.376
no understanding as to whether it's

00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:15.815
actually been in front of a traffic

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committee. I have no understanding at

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.000
all whether the DA has met right um the

00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.016
strictest and stringent of heritage

00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:28.040
considerations. Um I I just please can

00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.575
you all do your studies right and have a

00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.456
look again right before any approval is

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given. Thank you so kindly.

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Thank you councilors. The last presenter

00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:41.560
on item 9.1 is Marina Lobastov.

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Good evening. Thank you for the

00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:57.095
opportunity to address this meeting.

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Community feedback is extremely

00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.496
important. Having objections on the

00:36:01.520 --> 00:36:03.656
record from residents who will be living

00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:06.136
with the outcomes of your decisions is

00:36:06.160 --> 00:36:08.616
paramount for accountability.

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, I'm making a statement on my own

00:36:11.359 --> 00:36:13.496
behalf and also reading a letter on

00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:16.520
behalf of Philip Gray

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and he writes, "Thank you for your

00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.856
invitation to submit a presentation to

00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.880
council. My comments are as follows.

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In the available documentation, repeated

00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:29.095
acknowledgement persists that local and

00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.119
state guidelines are not being met by

00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:34.696
this development application.

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namely number one the stipulation that

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there could be that there should be one

00:36:40.240 --> 00:36:42.456
off- streetet parking space for every

00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.480
four children. The proposal provides

00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:47.976
only one off- streetet parking space for

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every 13 children. Nine spaces instead

00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.920
of 29 although the number of 23 is

00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:57.815
repeatedly referred to by including both

00:36:57.839 --> 00:37:00.839
staff parking and on street parking.

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Number two, the requirement that site

00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:06.520
coverage should not exceed 33%.

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A site coverage of 49.3%

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is proposed using the argument that a

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.896
roofed area not be included in

00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.136
calculation because it is a play area

00:37:16.160 --> 00:37:18.856
having adjacent vegetation.

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Number three, the regulation that the

00:37:21.200 --> 00:37:23.575
height, scale, and roof design of the

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.496
extension should be sympathetic with

00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:27.496
neighboring structures.

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The design is for a flat clip lock shed

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.616
roof rather than one matching the

00:37:32.640 --> 00:37:35.640
original profile material and pitch

00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:38.296
which is justified by a need to comply

00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.320
with the 8.5 height limit which it in

00:37:41.839 --> 00:37:44.616
fact exceeds despite claims to the

00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:47.640
contrary. The heritage adviser is quoted

00:37:48.160 --> 00:37:49.976
as saying simply that the failure to

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.296
comply with height and scale is one for

00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.456
council to arbitrate.

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I believe that these issues alone are

00:37:56.240 --> 00:37:58.376
sufficient to require that council defer

00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.776
consideration on the matter to permit a

00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.496
number of things. Councilors to pursue

00:38:03.520 --> 00:38:05.656
the hundreds of pages of documents

00:38:05.680 --> 00:38:08.616
including at least 16 detailed community

00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:10.376
submissions.

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The release of the heritage advisor's

00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:14.776
comments to councilors and residents

00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.696
rather than simply a summarized

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:18.856
interpretation.

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.656
a consideration of the DA by the new

00:38:21.680 --> 00:38:24.680
heritage committee and the developer to

00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:26.776
submit a project management plan

00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.416
outlining such things as site access for

00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.216
plant during construction.

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That was from Philip Gray.

00:38:34.720 --> 00:38:37.176
 on behalf of Janette Gray of Isabel

00:38:37.200 --> 00:38:39.815
Street, my family also of Isabella

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Street and other residents, I would like

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:43.815
to add that residents have gone to

00:38:43.839 --> 00:38:46.616
considerable expense to comply with

00:38:46.640 --> 00:38:48.696
heritage regulations on their own

00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:51.575
properties which the developers request

00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.216
be ignored in regard to this commercial

00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:55.896
development.

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The heritage field is one of the reasons

00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.456
many of us moved to Queenbian to begin

00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.856
with. Thank you for this opportunity.

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That's it. Thank you. So, council, the

00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:08.520
next presenter is Ian Webster and he's

00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.416
speaking on item 9.5, which is the

00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:12.936
submissions report on the draft

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.960
braidwood structure plan.

00:39:16.240 --> 00:39:19.240
Press

00:39:20.160 --> 00:39:21.976
 good evening, mayor and councilors.

00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.575
 thank you for the opportunity to

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:26.599
talk.  my name is Ian Webster, 

00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.335
Bradwood. I'm here to talk about item

00:39:29.359 --> 00:39:32.359
9.5, the Braidwood structure plan.

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 first I want to acknowledge the

00:39:34.160 --> 00:39:35.656
quality of the work that's gone into the

00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:38.216
updated proposal.  the depth of

00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:41.240
consideration around heritage and water

00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.575
 long-term growth management reflects

00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.656
a thoughtful and comprehensive effort on

00:39:45.680 --> 00:39:48.536
behalf of the council work.

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Um I'd like to speak briefly around area

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.856
one station street and why I believe it

00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.016
be  should be considered earlier in

00:39:55.040 --> 00:39:57.016
the sequencing and the current draft

00:39:57.040 --> 00:39:58.536
proposes.

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 first point I'd like to make is

00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.296
heritage protection. , one of the

00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.216
defining elements that makes Braidwood

00:40:04.240 --> 00:40:06.936
special is its streetscape, including an

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.575
intact Georgian grid, which sit at the

00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:11.575
heart of the town's heritage listing.

00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.815
, heavy reliance on infill

00:40:13.839 --> 00:40:16.616
subdivisional development risk carving

00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:18.536
up and introducing battleax blocks and

00:40:18.560 --> 00:40:21.335
new driveways into this historic pattern

00:40:21.359 --> 00:40:23.095
and create straight frontages dominated

00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.335
by driveways.

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Battleax blocks are less desirable to

00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:28.936
buyers and significantly more difficult

00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.896
and expensive to service. They require

00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.976
longer sewer and water electrical

00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:35.656
connections

00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:38.216
and driveways typically cost $10 to

00:40:38.240 --> 00:40:41.240
$30,000 more than a standard driveway.

00:40:41.520 --> 00:40:43.815
Also add to that are easements and

00:40:43.839 --> 00:40:45.656
shared access arrangements that need to

00:40:45.680 --> 00:40:47.815
be regulated.

00:40:47.839 --> 00:40:49.496
These forms of subdivision don't just

00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:51.575
undermine heritage, they create poor

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.296
long-term housing outcomes.

00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.616
Area one avoids these impacts entirely,

00:40:56.640 --> 00:40:58.295
enabling new housing to be delivered

00:40:58.319 --> 00:41:00.616
outside the heritage area.

00:41:00.640 --> 00:41:02.536
 without risk reshaping the historic

00:41:02.560 --> 00:41:04.456
core of Braidwood.

00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:05.976
The second point I'd like to just make

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.856
is  infill delivery risk. So while the

00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.696
structure plan identifies substantial

00:41:10.720 --> 00:41:13.095
theoretical infill capacity, experience

00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.815
shows that capacity doesn't always equal

00:41:15.839 --> 00:41:17.976
delivery. If all the owners wanted to

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.896
subdivide their blocks, it would already

00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.216
be happening. The low level of activity

00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:24.216
to date shows limited appetite for

00:41:24.240 --> 00:41:26.136
intensification.

00:41:26.160 --> 00:41:28.295
One key infill parcel is also subject to

00:41:28.319 --> 00:41:30.536
native title considerations adding to

00:41:30.560 --> 00:41:33.496
uncertainty and potential delay. Relying

00:41:33.520 --> 00:41:35.416
too heavily on infill therefore carries

00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.416
real downside risk of underd delivery,

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.176
upward pressure on prices and increased

00:41:39.200 --> 00:41:41.176
pressure to carve up the existing

00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:43.095
heritage streetscape.

00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.335
The third point I'd like to make is

00:41:45.359 --> 00:41:46.856
housing on housing affordability and

00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.256
diversity. You know, notwithstanding the

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.736
reduced population projections, area 1

00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:53.736
provides for a range of housing types

00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.656
from standard residential blocks,

00:41:55.680 --> 00:41:57.496
family-sized houses to downsizer

00:41:57.520 --> 00:41:59.496
options.

00:41:59.520 --> 00:42:01.815
This diversity supports affordability,

00:42:01.839 --> 00:42:04.055
creates predictable supply, and ensures

00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.736
that people who work in Braidwood,

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.815
including teachers, retail staff, and

00:42:07.839 --> 00:42:09.575
hospitality workers, can continue to

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.656
live locally. It offers a planned,

00:42:11.680 --> 00:42:13.416
coherent, and heritage compatible way to

00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.216
meet future demand. In short, bringing

00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:18.376
forward Area 1 helps Braidwood by

00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:20.536
providing genuine choice for residents,

00:42:20.560 --> 00:42:22.216
including locations that offer an easier

00:42:22.240 --> 00:42:23.736
and more direct commute into Braidwood

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.136
and towards Canberra. Having this choice

00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:27.815
supports families and workers who rely

00:42:27.839 --> 00:42:30.136
on a daily commute for work. Earlier

00:42:30.160 --> 00:42:31.896
activation of area 1 in the structure

00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:33.575
plan will remove bottlenecks in housing

00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:35.496
supply, reduce pressure on heritage

00:42:35.520 --> 00:42:37.815
fabric of Braidwood, and create local

00:42:37.839 --> 00:42:39.815
jobs through construction services and

00:42:39.839 --> 00:42:42.055
small business growth. It offers a

00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:43.416
practical and balanced pathway that

00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:44.696
strengthens the community while

00:42:44.720 --> 00:42:46.216
protecting the unique heritage character

00:42:46.240 --> 00:42:48.216
of Braidwood. For these reasons, my

00:42:48.240 --> 00:42:50.136
recommendation is simply this that area

00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:51.656
one be brought forward as a strategic

00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:53.736
release option complementing infield and

00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.656
protecting the heritage fabric reducing

00:42:55.680 --> 00:42:57.815
the risks to the supply of housing.

00:42:57.839 --> 00:42:59.176
Thanks for your time.

00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:02.055
Thank you. Council's next presenter is

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.079
Robert Wilson on item 9.6 which is the

00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.079
community participation plan.

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.936
My name is Robert Wilson. I'm speaking

00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.960
against the motion at agenda item 9.6.

00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:20.936
This is council's existing community

00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.776
participation plan approved by council

00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.800
in 2019 and inforce today. It states

00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:29.095
clearly and I quote, "Members of the

00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.095
community who are affected by proposed

00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.416
major development will be consulted by

00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.976
the proponent before an application for

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.776
planning approval is made." That was not

00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.256
done on the Vikings Club DA debacle, a

00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.896
blatant breach of council's policy. And

00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.456
so, councilors,

00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.856
in March, I wrote to each and every one

00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:50.376
of you asking that the community

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.016
participation plan is strengthened and

00:43:53.040 --> 00:43:55.256
clearly defined to avoid a repeat of the

00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.280
Vikings Club DA debacle.

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.936
The plan tabled at item 9.6 six will

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.960
not, I repeat, will not avoid a repeat

00:44:05.359 --> 00:44:08.359
of the Vikings DA debacle. In fact, it

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.800
legitimizes such lack of consultation,

00:44:12.160 --> 00:44:14.136
and that is a smack in the face to the

00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:17.160
QPRC community and the residents. If you

00:44:17.680 --> 00:44:19.095
approve that plan, you will be

00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.016
supporting a repeat of consultation

00:44:21.040 --> 00:44:24.040
failures on the Vikings DA. Furthermore,

00:44:24.319 --> 00:44:26.136
the New South Wales planning legislation

00:44:26.160 --> 00:44:28.856
is very clear, and I quote, "The

00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.776
community has a right to be informed

00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.656
about planning matters that affect it."

00:44:33.680 --> 00:44:35.736
Councilors, if you approve this plan,

00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.416
you will be knowingly and deliberately

00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.055
denying the fundamental legislated

00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.616
rights of the community.

00:44:42.640 --> 00:44:44.376
New South Wales planning legislation

00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:46.376
requires a proposed community

00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:48.616
participation plan to be publicly

00:44:48.640 --> 00:44:51.496
exhibited for at least 28 days.

00:44:51.520 --> 00:44:53.496
The plan tabled for tonight's meeting

00:44:53.520 --> 00:44:55.896
was not exhibited to the public as a

00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.920
community participation plan. Council

00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:02.920
only ever advertised a draft community

00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.440
engagement strategy and a community

00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.480
strategic plan. Here is the extract from

00:45:09.839 --> 00:45:12.295
the council's website.

00:45:12.319 --> 00:45:14.536
If anyone wants to see it, happy to give

00:45:14.560 --> 00:45:17.176
them a copy.

00:45:17.200 --> 00:45:19.496
Council's notice did not advertise the

00:45:19.520 --> 00:45:22.136
document before you as a draft community

00:45:22.160 --> 00:45:25.160
participation plan. And so any councelor

00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.295
who votes to approve this plan will be

00:45:28.319 --> 00:45:30.456
not only denying the basic rights of the

00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.856
community, but will be knowingly and

00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.880
deliberately breaching the legislation.

00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:37.416
There is not enough time to point out

00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.736
the deficiencies in the document, but I

00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.055
must draw your attention to fundamental

00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.079
flaws in section 10.

00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.416
Councilors, you must take action to

00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.440
prevent another Vikings Club DA debacle.

00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.480
You can vote against agenda item 9.6

00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.936
and direct that a draft community

00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.575
participation plan be advertised and

00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.376
exhibited to the community in accordance

00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:06.216
with New South Wales planning

00:46:06.240 --> 00:46:08.055
legislation.

00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.536
The solution to this matter is fairly

00:46:10.560 --> 00:46:13.560
and squarely in your hands, within your

00:46:13.839 --> 00:46:15.416
control

00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.736
and your responsibility.

00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.760
Thank you. Thank you councilors. The

00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.176
last presenter is going to be James

00:46:23.200 --> 00:46:26.200
Penton on item 913 which is the sports

00:46:27.359 --> 00:46:29.095
ground

00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.335
QPRC sporting ground usage and sporting

00:46:31.359 --> 00:46:34.359
ground allocation policies.

00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.856
Good evening, councilors, and thank you

00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.880
for the opportunity to speak in favor of

00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.776
agenda 9.13.

00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.936
As I said, my name is James Pentton, and

00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.696
I'm the secretary of Tigers Football

00:46:46.720 --> 00:46:49.656
Club. We're one of the region's longest

00:46:49.680 --> 00:46:51.896
standing football clubs registered in

00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.920
Bangor, New South Wales, serving more

00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.119
than 500 um players across juniors,

00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:02.136
seniors, national Premier League, SAP,

00:47:02.160 --> 00:47:04.696
and community football programs.

00:47:04.720 --> 00:47:07.720
Tonight, I want to briefly outline why

00:47:08.160 --> 00:47:10.776
Tigers Football Club strongly supports

00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.335
Agenda 9.13

00:47:13.359 --> 00:47:16.359
and how it drives sport being played and

00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.960
growing here in the region.

00:47:20.160 --> 00:47:23.160
Firstly, elite sport drives local

00:47:23.359 --> 00:47:26.295
participation and pathways. And this

00:47:26.319 --> 00:47:29.319
policy will see that every young player

00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:32.680
who sees elite athletes competing

00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.800
locally. It lifts aspiration and

00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:39.160
participation and every speak peak

00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.136
sporting body from football Australia to

00:47:42.160 --> 00:47:45.160
the AIS consistently shows that elite

00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.295
presence increases junior participation

00:47:48.319 --> 00:47:51.319
and registration, creates clear pathways

00:47:51.359 --> 00:47:54.295
for boys and girls and improves coaching

00:47:54.319 --> 00:47:57.176
capability because that expertise flows

00:47:57.200 --> 00:48:00.200
right down into community programs. For

00:48:00.560 --> 00:48:03.560
Tigers FC, the growth that we've seen

00:48:03.680 --> 00:48:06.216
across our SAP, our National Premier

00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:08.536
League boys program and our girls

00:48:08.560 --> 00:48:11.560
program is directly tied to the pathways

00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.776
and this policy that we see before us

00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.800
tonight. This policy will drive elite

00:48:18.160 --> 00:48:20.456
sporting fields in the region and give

00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.480
our children and our community here

00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.776
something to aim for. The other part of

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.800
that is that Tigers FC as part of its

00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:33.079
strategy is driving and targeting the

00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.416
Championship League which is the second

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.055
highest league in Australia football.

00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.295
The only league higher to that is the A

00:48:40.319 --> 00:48:42.616
League and as part of that strategy is

00:48:42.640 --> 00:48:45.640
to bring that if we're successful into

00:48:45.839 --> 00:48:48.376
this region and this policy supports

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.400
that. And it's not part of a dream, it's

00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.760
part of a strategic plan. One, with our

00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.960
rapidly expanding elite pathways, our

00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.936
growing talent pace across juniors and

00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.960
youth, we're attracting youth from this

00:49:04.640 --> 00:49:07.335
region and as far as the south coast to

00:49:07.359 --> 00:49:10.295
come and play. We're seeing increasing

00:49:10.319 --> 00:49:12.696
professional standards lifting up across

00:49:12.720 --> 00:49:15.575
sport right across the region and our

00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.599
active engagement with Capital Football,

00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:21.256
Football New South Wales and Football

00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.575
Australia is lifting that. What does

00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.295
this mean? Championship level matches

00:49:26.319 --> 00:49:29.319
played locally. National media coverage

00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.535
for the region. Visiting interstate

00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:35.559
teams coming into the region. Increased

00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.599
hotel, hospitality, retail and transport

00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.960
spend in the region. Pathways for our

00:49:42.319 --> 00:49:44.936
region's girls and boys to play elite

00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.095
football without ever having to leave

00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.736
the region. And professional coaching

00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.760
and jobs for them. And so councilors,

00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.920
this policy is about opportunity,

00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.575
development, economic growth, and

00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.599
community identity. Tigers FC strongly

00:50:03.040 --> 00:50:06.040
supports this policy and it because we

00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.936
believe it drives for the region. It

00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.960
benefits our young people. It benefits

00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.000
our local businesses. It strengthens our

00:50:15.040 --> 00:50:18.040
community and positions Queen Ben as a

00:50:19.359 --> 00:50:22.359
sporting leader in the regions. So we

00:50:22.720 --> 00:50:25.095
strongly support this policy and we

00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.736
welcome your support in that. Thank you.

00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.575
Thank you. So councilors that's the end

00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:31.815
of our presentations

00:50:31.839 --> 00:50:33.896
 from the public. We will note that we

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:35.736
received two written submissions. know

00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.055
from Melinda Hillary in relation to item

00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.776
9.3 which is the review of environmental

00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.696
factors for the proposed Queen Bangodore

00:50:42.720 --> 00:50:44.616
pipeline project and she was against the

00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:46.856
recommendation and also from Ian Webster

00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.416
or 9 9.5 submissions report on the draft

00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.095
braid structure plan for the

00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.936
recommendation do we have any petitions

00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.496
for the next council meeting councilors

00:50:55.520 --> 00:50:56.776
there were no questions on notice

00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:58.696
received for this week's meeting before

00:50:58.720 --> 00:51:00.376
we conclude the public forum councilors

00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.696
we're going to have a presentation from

00:51:02.720 --> 00:51:05.720
our CFO All

00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:19.896
right, councilors, what we're going to

00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:21.496
do is we're going to get on with the

00:51:21.520 --> 00:51:22.856
business paper and we'll we'll do the

00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.136
presentation when we get to the item

00:51:24.160 --> 00:51:25.736
that the CFO's presentation is going to

00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:27.416
relate to because we're having slight

00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.815
technical difficulty. So, councils,

00:51:29.839 --> 00:51:31.256
let's move to the first item for

00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.280
determination, which is item 9.1.

00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.400
The 9.1 is DA2024-0303

00:51:39.040 --> 00:51:41.016
275 Crawford Street Queen Beian

00:51:41.040 --> 00:51:43.335
alterations and additions to existing

00:51:43.359 --> 00:51:46.359
centerbased childcare facility.

00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.616
Councelor Willis, you have a motion to

00:51:48.640 --> 00:51:50.136
move.

00:51:50.160 --> 00:51:52.776
Well, I have a contary um 

00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.896
foreshadowed motion.

00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:55.335
Just to make it easy for the minute, I'm

00:51:55.359 --> 00:51:57.575
going to ask we have a mover for the

00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.599
motion as per the business paper.

00:52:01.520 --> 00:52:02.776
Okay. Okay, councelor Livermore's happy

00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:04.696
to move to get it under discussion and

00:52:04.720 --> 00:52:06.936
seconded. Councelor Tascowski,

00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.535
would you like to speak or you going to

00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:10.136
reserve?

00:52:10.160 --> 00:52:12.856
Okay, now councelor Willis, you'd like

00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.856
to move a contrary motion?

00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.736
Yes, thank you. Um, that's been

00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.760
circulated and is I'll just check that

00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.960
there was a date error that that's been

00:52:24.720 --> 00:52:26.456
corrected. Thank you.

00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.016
um that development application DA

00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:31.815
2024303

00:52:31.839 --> 00:52:33.656
for alterations and additions to

00:52:33.680 --> 00:52:35.976
existing centerbased child care facility

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.000
on lot 1 DP852035

00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.800
275 Crawford Street Queenian B refuse

00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.256
consent for the following reasons one

00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.016
the development does not complement the

00:52:49.040 --> 00:52:51.176
scale density and form of existing

00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:52.696
development in the lowdensity

00:52:52.720 --> 00:52:55.335
residential zone two the development

00:52:55.359 --> 00:52:57.416
will have a significant adverse impact

00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.896
on a contributory item in the Queenian

00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:02.920
heritage  conservation area owing to

00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.815
the height scale and roof profile of the

00:53:05.839 --> 00:53:08.136
extension which will be visible from the

00:53:08.160 --> 00:53:10.696
public realm and make and have

00:53:10.720 --> 00:53:13.176
prominence in the locality.

00:53:13.200 --> 00:53:15.575
Three, the on-site car park will occupy

00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.456
a substantial area of the front set

00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.936
setback and garden is not consistent

00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.696
with the residential character of the

00:53:22.720 --> 00:53:25.256
heritage conservation area. does not

00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.016
conform with the Queenian Development

00:53:27.040 --> 00:53:29.815
Control Plan 2012 and would degrade the

00:53:29.839 --> 00:53:31.496
aesthetic values of the original

00:53:31.520 --> 00:53:34.055
building and its setting. And four, the

00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:35.976
proposed development is not suitable for

00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:37.575
the site.

00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.496
Do we have a second for the contrary

00:53:39.520 --> 00:53:39.896
motion?

00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.055
For contrary

00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.535
motion.

00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.856
Okay. So, what we need to do council is

00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:48.856
is debate what was being moved by

00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:50.136
councelor Livermore and councelor

00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:52.376
Tascowski and then if that is lost, we

00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:53.815
will then move to foreshadow contrary

00:53:53.839 --> 00:53:56.535
motion. I should also have  reminded

00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:57.976
everyone that councelor Grundy did

00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.696
declare a conflict of interest.  did

00:54:00.720 --> 00:54:02.055
you want to read that out again just for

00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:03.335
what that conflict was and you're going

00:54:03.359 --> 00:54:05.256
to stay in the room but just reminding

00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.136
everyone that that did occur. Okay. So

00:54:08.160 --> 00:54:09.736
I'm asking going to ask for a speaker

00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.760
then on the motion.

00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.119
Council waterhouse. Thanks Mr. Mayor. I

00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.880
don't believe this is an appropriate um

00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:21.815
development for this site and I think

00:54:21.839 --> 00:54:24.839
there's a number of planning grounds 

00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:27.496
on that I hold that opinion. I think

00:54:27.520 --> 00:54:30.456
they've been spoken about tonight 

00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:33.095
quite  effectively um and I would be

00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.119
supporting the contrary motion.

00:54:36.720 --> 00:54:37.976
Thank you council house. Councelor

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:38.856
Broadband

00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.815
 through you Mr. Mayor. Can I ask a

00:54:41.839 --> 00:54:44.839
question of staff um regarding the I

00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:48.040
guess the the safety of ch I guess there

00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:50.055
was a there was mention in the public

00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:51.496
forum around the safety of children and

00:54:51.520 --> 00:54:53.656
site and design is that something that's

00:54:53.680 --> 00:54:56.680
in scope of our considerations

00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.176
has it has it been considered

00:54:59.200 --> 00:55:02.200
ma

00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.776
sorry through you Mr. Mr. Mayor, I would

00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.535
have thought that the issues of fire act

00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.559
was um evacuation, access and eress are

00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.736
all matters that are handled through the

00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.216
the building control and construction of

00:55:14.240 --> 00:55:16.535
the development stages. I would have

00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.335
expected that the architects designing

00:55:19.359 --> 00:55:20.696
this building should have had full

00:55:20.720 --> 00:55:22.216
regard for the building code in that

00:55:22.240 --> 00:55:25.240
regard. Um and that's really all I can

00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:27.416
say to that. I'm really not a fire

00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.736
safety expert. I'm sorry.

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.976
No, that's that's fair enough.

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.216
Yeah, general manager. Um through Mr.

00:55:34.240 --> 00:55:35.896
Mayor, I might just make a comment to

00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:37.896
respond to that question. Children's

00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.335
child care centers and long daycare

00:55:39.359 --> 00:55:42.216
centers are regulated by um New South

00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:44.136
Wales Family and Community Services and

00:55:44.160 --> 00:55:46.216
regulations. So they would have to put

00:55:46.240 --> 00:55:48.216
in their license arrangements about

00:55:48.240 --> 00:55:49.976
anything to do with the child care

00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.936
regulations and including evacuations,

00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.456
safety,

00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.216
everything else like that.

00:55:56.240 --> 00:55:59.240
Okay, wonderful. Um, and I guess just

00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.936
some broader question, a broader 

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.960
issues were raised around the  traffic

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.856
impacts. Um, it would be great if if

00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.335
staff could elaborate on the

00:56:11.359 --> 00:56:13.016
consideration that's been made as to all

00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:15.736
the broader projects um around the CBD

00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.976
 for traffic if possible.

00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.256
Melo.

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:21.335
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, this

00:56:21.359 --> 00:56:23.496
development application um has been to

00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:25.575
the local  traffic committee. I'd just

00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.599
um like that to be clear. and that

00:56:28.720 --> 00:56:30.376
throughout the assessment of the

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:31.976
application, council's development

00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.376
engineers have been on quite a journey

00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.016
with ensuring that the um development

00:56:37.040 --> 00:56:40.040
was redesigned so that um the um

00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:44.440
visitors to the site, car parking all

00:56:44.640 --> 00:56:47.640
has to be accessed from Crawford Street.

00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.000
Um the development application that was

00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.815
first initially submitted included

00:56:53.839 --> 00:56:56.775
parents being able to um drop off and

00:56:56.799 --> 00:56:59.575
pick up from the rear off the laneway.

00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.456
Um so the development engineers um

00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:04.376
obviously um had concerns with that

00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:05.815
aspect and the application was

00:57:05.839 --> 00:57:08.839
redesigned accordingly. In terms of the

00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:12.040
level of um number of trips and the um

00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:14.696
the way in which we assess the impacts

00:57:14.720 --> 00:57:17.496
of the proposal um council's engineers

00:57:17.520 --> 00:57:20.520
have um looked at what the harm might be

00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.856
to obviously Crawford Street and the

00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.880
laneway and with the additional  car

00:57:26.160 --> 00:57:29.095
parking um it's actually four additional

00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.119
spaces to the rear of staff the um total

00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.376
postdevelopment trip movement in the

00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.400
laneway way would be 34 um trip

00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:41.815
movements per day, vehicle per day

00:57:41.839 --> 00:57:44.839
movements and the actual lane way is

00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:47.896
designed to be able to um cater up to

00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.920
100 vehicles per day. Now in terms of

00:57:51.359 --> 00:57:54.359
movements now um in discussion with

00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:56.775
council's um development engineers I

00:57:56.799 --> 00:57:59.656
understand that they haven't got

00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:02.680
reported incidences of concern in

00:58:03.200 --> 00:58:05.815
relation to the use of the lane. So I've

00:58:05.839 --> 00:58:07.736
sort of pursued that question a bit

00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.216
further with them in relation to well

00:58:10.240 --> 00:58:13.240
given it's not a one-way lane you know

00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:15.656
how would that be regulated should that

00:58:15.680 --> 00:58:17.815
be an issue because it wouldn't be

00:58:17.839 --> 00:58:19.416
something we would require necessarily

00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.055
of the development and apparently

00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.079
through the um you know provision of u a

00:58:25.680 --> 00:58:28.680
certain one-way signage you know um at

00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.880
both ends of the laneway on Isabella

00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:35.079
Street I think it is um that would how

00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.496
we would actually look to address that

00:58:37.520 --> 00:58:40.520
were that to ever become an issue by way

00:58:40.799 --> 00:58:43.416
of the staff car parking. So I think

00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.815
I've satisfied myself in relation to

00:58:45.839 --> 00:58:47.656
that actual issue with respect to the

00:58:47.680 --> 00:58:50.376
laneway. When we look at Crawford Street

00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.456
and the Crawford Street frontage, the

00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.480
existing um child care um facility um

00:58:57.040 --> 00:58:59.656
paid financial developer contributions

00:58:59.680 --> 00:59:01.815
for the provision of the on street car

00:59:01.839 --> 00:59:04.295
parking in Crawford Street. So what we

00:59:04.319 --> 00:59:06.535
currently have in Crawford Street was

00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.559
paid for by the developer to serve that

00:59:09.680 --> 00:59:11.896
develop, you know, as you know, as an

00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:14.920
offset requirement for that development.

00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.656
Um, and so while I appreciate we would

00:59:17.680 --> 00:59:20.295
all use those car parks whether we were

00:59:20.319 --> 00:59:22.936
using the child care center or not, that

00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.656
was how the child care center overcome

00:59:25.680 --> 00:59:28.680
came their original requirement for car

00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:31.736
parking because they never did provide

00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:33.736
it. they provided a financial

00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.136
contribution instead.

00:59:36.160 --> 00:59:38.055
So the development engineers have been

00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:41.079
on a journey and had the applicant look

00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:44.680
to provide a design for car parking and

00:59:45.200 --> 00:59:47.575
they arrived at the proposal which we

00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:49.656
have before us today with the car

00:59:49.680 --> 00:59:52.295
parking on the front of the property. So

00:59:52.319 --> 00:59:54.376
that's, you know, how we we come to be

00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:56.936
in the position that they still account

00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.960
for those spaces on Crawford Street in

01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.216
their car park calculation because

01:00:02.240 --> 01:00:04.535
they're paid for by them for them for

01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.775
the serving of that development. and

01:00:06.799 --> 01:00:09.016
then the additional ones which they're

01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:12.040
proposing on the site. In terms of the

01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:14.055
wider highway network, all of the

01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:17.079
junctions and um issues to do with um

01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:19.976
the the amount of development that's

01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.055
happening in Quimian, we're not at a

01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.295
point where this development causes a

01:00:24.319 --> 01:00:25.976
threshold problem that's going to be

01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:27.656
leading to our engineers actually

01:00:27.680 --> 01:00:30.136
requiring any junction improvements to

01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:32.936
do with the immediate local road

01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.095
network.

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.016
And sorry, just one clarifying quick

01:00:37.040 --> 01:00:38.616
point. You said immediate road network.

01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:41.640
Does that include immediate approved

01:00:41.839 --> 01:00:43.496
development?

01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:45.575
Um so yes, just for clarity through you,

01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:47.976
Mr. Mayor. Um when our engineers are

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.696
looking at that, um the the the

01:00:50.720 --> 01:00:52.456
immediate the the highway network that

01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.095
we have here can cater for the approved

01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.335
development that um I think that the

01:00:57.359 --> 01:00:59.256
speakers were referring to as well as

01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.095
the developments that we have happening

01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:04.119
at the moment in our town center.

01:01:04.720 --> 01:01:07.720
Cool. Um, that's enough for me to try

01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:09.736
and hopefully other people have some

01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.575
discussion, but we'll see what happens.

01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:12.535
Cheers. Thank

01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:14.216
you. Further discussion. Councelor

01:01:14.240 --> 01:01:15.496
Preston.

01:01:15.520 --> 01:01:17.496
, thank you through you, Mayor. Um, I

01:01:17.520 --> 01:01:19.256
also have a number of questions that

01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.136
came up as a result of the public  um

01:01:22.160 --> 01:01:23.896
submissions to this evening. And I'd

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:25.656
first like to thank everybody for their

01:01:25.680 --> 01:01:28.680
 the effort that they've put in. um in

01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:31.720
a  an early um  presentation  the

01:01:33.520 --> 01:01:35.656
claim was made that the  the the

01:01:35.680 --> 01:01:38.136
development is too big for the R2 zone.

01:01:38.160 --> 01:01:39.575
I wonder if I could get a comment on

01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.599
that please.

01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:45.736
So through you Mr. Mayor I just want to

01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:47.736
just for the public record just be yeah

01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.656
really clear. It is the R2 zone that

01:01:49.680 --> 01:01:52.680
we're talking about here and um in

01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.535
relation to what the local plan

01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:56.535
provides. So I just wanted to just

01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.416
clarify that as well for the record. Um

01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.176
in terms of what what are the measures

01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:02.775
that you're looking at counselors when

01:02:02.799 --> 01:02:04.856
you're looking at is this too big a

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.335
development. The types of controls that

01:02:07.359 --> 01:02:09.736
you look at in terms of overdevelopment

01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.055
are the matters of coverage. They're the

01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.079
matters of um to serve this development.

01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.575
all of the um you know all of the

01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:21.095
facilities might that might be required

01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:22.535
to serve the development are they able

01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.335
to be catered for on the site. Um so

01:02:25.359 --> 01:02:27.095
those are sort of the points that you

01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:29.176
would be looking at.

01:02:29.200 --> 01:02:31.736
I as a town planner I suppose my first

01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:33.656
comment to you is it has never actually

01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:36.616
catered for its own car parking on site

01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:39.256
and that was always the issue with its

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.280
original approval. So what is the

01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:44.456
threshold that I would be actually

01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:45.976
suggesting you look at? It's actually

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:48.376
not the car parking element because we

01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:50.856
we always as an authority stepped over

01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.256
that with the original approval. It is

01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.256
more the question is is this variation

01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.280
to the site coverage um such that it

01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:01.095
causes the level of harm that you know

01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.119
you've heard speak  speakers refer to.

01:03:04.240 --> 01:03:05.896
So you'd be looking at the site coverage

01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:07.736
provisions I think in relation to that

01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.136
element. Otherwise,

01:03:10.160 --> 01:03:13.160
um the proposal that you have has been

01:03:13.520 --> 01:03:16.456
on quite a journey with the heritage

01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:19.416
advisers guiding much of that amendment

01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:22.055
as well.

01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.216
Um if if I may, I have another couple.

01:03:24.240 --> 01:03:26.456
Um there was also a claim made that the

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.480
the um upper story um

01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:33.736
  requires a 4 meter set back from

01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:35.416
the  through the rear lane. Could I

01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.440
get a comment on that too, please?

01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:41.976
So sorry through you, Mr. Mayor. I will

01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:43.815
just need a moment for that. I did hear

01:03:43.839 --> 01:03:46.456
the speaker um refer to that and I just

01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.480
need a moment to clarify um what they

01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:51.815
were referring to with the manager. If I

01:03:51.839 --> 01:03:54.839
could have a minute. Thank you.

01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.760
Perhaps

01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.936
then whilst um whilst you're looking the

01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:10.696
other one was um there was a claim made

01:04:10.720 --> 01:04:12.616
that there was insufficient um

01:04:12.640 --> 01:04:14.535
consultation but I understand there were

01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:16.616
four rounds of consultations on this and

01:04:16.640 --> 01:04:18.535
if I could get a confirmation on that

01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:21.496
and then finally um going back to car

01:04:21.520 --> 01:04:24.520
parking which noting what  what Muller

01:04:24.720 --> 01:04:27.720
has just told us um there was a talk

01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:30.936
about a car parking deficiency see um

01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.335
currently offering one for four um as

01:04:33.359 --> 01:04:36.359
opposed to I think it was one for 13.

01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.736
Yeah. Um could I get a comment on those

01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.760
two please?

01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.256
So through you Mr. Mayor the um

01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.815
application has had a number of

01:04:47.839 --> 01:04:49.976
notifications. It doesn't change the

01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:51.416
fact that you know from the community's

01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:53.496
perspective the you know the journey

01:04:53.520 --> 01:04:55.656
that this application has been on is

01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:58.680
obviously had um many revisions and you

01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.335
know their experience of that

01:05:01.359 --> 01:05:03.335
notification is is for them to comment

01:05:03.359 --> 01:05:06.055
on but with respect to ourselves as

01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:08.616
officers we've notified this application

01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:11.335
a number of times over the um with each

01:05:11.359 --> 01:05:13.736
of the revisions

01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.976
um and now I'm just going to refer you

01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.295
all to the attachment

01:05:18.319 --> 01:05:20.136
cuz I'm going to flick myself back to

01:05:20.160 --> 01:05:22.535
that as well, which is your um section

01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:24.295
4.15

01:05:24.319 --> 01:05:27.319
report, which um in considering um what

01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.055
you have before you, it's important to

01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:32.216
go back to your attachments for this

01:05:32.240 --> 01:05:35.176
application because the 415 actually

01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:37.335
goes through and provides you that

01:05:37.359 --> 01:05:39.656
detailed assessment. So, if you could

01:05:39.680 --> 01:05:42.680
just bear with me in relation to the car

01:05:43.359 --> 01:05:46.359
parking issue.

01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:58.936
Well, Miss Mela is looking for this.

01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:01.416
Does any counselor wish to speak on the

01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.656
item and not ask a question of Miss Omea

01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:04.936
while she's looking for it? Council

01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:07.960
Willis.

01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:10.696
, yes. Thank you, Mayor. Yes. I'm not

01:06:10.720 --> 01:06:12.775
supporting this development as is

01:06:12.799 --> 01:06:15.256
obvious from my foreshadowed contry

01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.335
motion. I'd like to thank all of the

01:06:17.359 --> 01:06:20.295
submitters  who attended and also the

01:06:20.319 --> 01:06:23.319
pres the presenter who um spoke to us

01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.616
online. I wanted to let the residents

01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:29.256
know that um I did ask for a copy of the

01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.656
heritage advice and all the counselors

01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:33.815
have had that the original advice and

01:06:33.839 --> 01:06:36.295
the subsequent advice based on some

01:06:36.319 --> 01:06:39.095
changes um to the plan. So we have had

01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.119
the opportunity to look at that. Um this

01:06:42.319 --> 01:06:44.856
is a substant and in fact I'll read a

01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.496
section of that advice.  the property

01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:49.736
is part of the heritage conservation

01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:52.760
area.  it dates to um the early 20th

01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.599
century.  it was um one of the

01:06:57.520 --> 01:06:59.256
presenters referred to it as the Mance

01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.136
which is how it is locally known and it

01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:04.216
was the residence for the Methodist

01:07:04.240 --> 01:07:06.376
minister originally.

01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:09.400
Um it um  the advice from the heritage

01:07:10.640 --> 01:07:13.416
advisor  was that the proponent is

01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.335
proposing a substantial addition to the

01:07:15.359 --> 01:07:18.359
rear  and the landscape parking works

01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.559
to increase the capacity from 76

01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:24.775
children to 116.

01:07:24.799 --> 01:07:26.936
 this is a lowdensity residential

01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:28.936
zone. That doesn't mean twotory is not

01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:30.616
allowed. But in the heritage

01:07:30.640 --> 01:07:33.640
conservation area,  council's um

01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:36.535
development controls suggest that two

01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:39.256
stories is rarely supported. When there

01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:42.280
is an extension,  and at height, um it

01:07:42.640 --> 01:07:45.640
shouldn't um overshadow or be prominent

01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:47.815
against the original building and that's

01:07:47.839 --> 01:07:50.839
not achieved in this case. Um the flat

01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.960
roof line is out of character. it it

01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:56.616
wouldn't be generally allowed u for

01:07:56.640 --> 01:07:58.856
anyone else um you know residents in the

01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.416
conservation area in this case I

01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.976
understand it's been devised to try and

01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.616
reduce the scale and the prominence of

01:08:06.640 --> 01:08:09.640
the building from the streetscape um but

01:08:09.680 --> 01:08:11.656
it hasn't done that either if you 

01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:14.376
look at the plans  and I  went to

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:17.175
the site inspection and the staff kindly

01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:19.335
let me take the copy of the plans home

01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:21.416
so I could study them it is still

01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:24.056
visible and in fact the revised ized the

01:08:24.080 --> 01:08:26.456
the heritage advice on the revised

01:08:26.480 --> 01:08:29.480
design actually says as much

01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.376
um that the the building will still be

01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:35.096
prominent um and in fact the words are

01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:38.120
those that I've used in my um in my

01:08:38.400 --> 01:08:40.536
foreshadowed motion. So it hasn't

01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.936
achieved the the attempts to reduce the

01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.960
the scale and the bulk and the form 

01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.215
being out of character and overshadowing

01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.536
the original cottage um they haven't

01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.560
worked.  the council's own report,

01:08:53.679 --> 01:08:56.056
assessment report,  acknowledges that

01:08:56.080 --> 01:08:58.456
there's a deficiency in parking. Um

01:08:58.480 --> 01:09:01.416
originally the center was supposed to um

01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:04.440
have 12 car parking  areas spaces

01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:06.456
built with the that's what they paid

01:09:06.480 --> 01:09:09.255
for. Um but council only u produced

01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:12.215
nine.  and that's that's obviously

01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:13.976
part of the problem. But there is that

01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:15.175
wider problem where there's the

01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.976
concentration of a number of as one of

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:19.255
the presenters said there are a number

01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.735
of child care and early learning centers

01:09:21.759 --> 01:09:24.695
as well as the public school. So there's

01:09:24.719 --> 01:09:27.335
a lot of activity there at um common

01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:29.416
times of the day which is causing a

01:09:29.440 --> 01:09:31.016
problem. But I don't believe the

01:09:31.040 --> 01:09:34.040
solution is to to essentially obliterate

01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.856
most of the garden by putting a car park

01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:39.416
in there.  that is entirely out of

01:09:39.440 --> 01:09:41.496
character. In fact, the applicant's own

01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.215
heritage advisor in their report said

01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:45.896
that is out of character and would have

01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:48.695
an impact. So, I think the the the

01:09:48.719 --> 01:09:51.416
intent of trying to find um workarounds

01:09:51.440 --> 01:09:54.440
for the  the initial impacts of the

01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.736
proposal. I understand people have um

01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.760
had a good go at trying to ameliate um

01:10:01.360 --> 01:10:03.576
the problems and  reduce them and

01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:06.056
mitigate. But what we have in the end is

01:10:06.080 --> 01:10:09.080
a development that is  large. It has

01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.536
 it it will go right to the boundary

01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:15.560
on the lane with at second story.  so

01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:18.215
it will change the character the

01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:20.296
heritage character of the lane. And you

01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:22.776
may say it's only a lane way but we know

01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:24.695
that laneways and we know this in

01:10:24.719 --> 01:10:26.376
Braidwood because of the importance that

01:10:26.400 --> 01:10:29.400
the Georgian laneways um are given

01:10:30.400 --> 01:10:32.056
recognized in the heritage listing

01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:34.296
there. Laneways are important and at the

01:10:34.320 --> 01:10:35.416
moment they're an important

01:10:35.440 --> 01:10:37.896
connectivity. Residents have said to me

01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.976
they're concerned not only for ch the

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.695
children who  move from the school

01:10:42.719 --> 01:10:45.719
down to the library  by foot  and

01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:47.416
perhaps walk to school through the

01:10:47.440 --> 01:10:49.336
laneway but also elderly residents who

01:10:49.360 --> 01:10:50.776
live in the area and they're not

01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:52.776
driving. They're walking a couple of

01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.655
blocks to the town center. So there I

01:10:55.679 --> 01:10:58.056
think those safety concerns

01:10:58.080 --> 01:11:00.856
are valid. Um,

01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:02.296
essentially this is a commercial

01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:04.536
development in a residential zone, but

01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.616
it's not just a residential zone. It's

01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:08.695
special. It's the heritage conservation

01:11:08.719 --> 01:11:11.576
area and that and that brings with it

01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:14.536
particular protections that  council

01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:16.536
has committed to give. It has separate

01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:18.616
development controls and different

01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:20.456
standards and as you heard from many of

01:11:20.480 --> 01:11:22.296
the community submitters, there's an

01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:25.320
expectation that we will protect it.

01:11:25.360 --> 01:11:27.816
Thank you, Councelor Willis. Further

01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.616
speakers, councelor Preston. Oh,

01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.096
actually no opportunity to answer

01:11:33.120 --> 01:11:35.016
councelor Preston's question.

01:11:35.040 --> 01:11:37.496
Um, so thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll just

01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:40.376
um firstly address the the rear setback

01:11:40.400 --> 01:11:43.400
um question that we have. Um, so there

01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.000
is no um rear 4 meter rear setback that

01:11:47.360 --> 01:11:50.360
applies to this development. Um, that

01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:52.296
would only be relevant if it was a

01:11:52.320 --> 01:11:54.056
dwelling and it's therefore doesn't

01:11:54.080 --> 01:11:57.080
apply to this development type. Um and I

01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:01.000
am just also going to be really clear as

01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.936
well councilors that in debating this

01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:07.096
application it's really important that

01:12:07.120 --> 01:12:10.120
you um note that this is actually a

01:12:11.040 --> 01:12:14.040
permissible land use in this zone. So

01:12:14.400 --> 01:12:17.400
whether it's a conservation area or or

01:12:17.679 --> 01:12:20.679
or not in our LGA in this zone, um the

01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:24.856
actual um center-based child care

01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:27.496
facilities are permitted with consent.

01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.056
So, it's important not to focus on so

01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:32.776
much um whether this um land use is

01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:34.616
acceptable in this location because not

01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.096
only has that been determined by the

01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:38.536
existence of it and that it's been

01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:40.695
operating for some time, but your own

01:12:40.719 --> 01:12:42.936
local environmental plan speaks to that

01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.016
being an acceptable form of land use in

01:12:45.040 --> 01:12:48.040
that location. Um, and I'm just double

01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:51.896
I'm double quizzing my um, colleagues in

01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:53.496
relation to the car parking because I

01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.416
want to be really clear that it's

01:12:55.440 --> 01:12:57.976
important that if you're considering

01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:00.056
overturning this office's recommendation

01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:03.080
before you, you really shouldn't be just

01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:06.199
uploading lots of reasons for refusal

01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:08.056
which may not actually have any

01:13:08.080 --> 01:13:10.296
substance where this to actually go all

01:13:10.320 --> 01:13:11.336
the way through to the land and

01:13:11.360 --> 01:13:13.175
environment court. So that's the reason

01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:14.936
why I am deliberating a little bit

01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.336
longer to make sure I've got 100%

01:13:17.360 --> 01:13:20.135
correct calculation on that. Um so just

01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.616
give me a moment.

01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:23.976
Councelor Preston.

01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:26.616
Yeah. Um on the back of that I did have

01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:28.695
a um a final question and some comments

01:13:28.719 --> 01:13:31.719
if I may. And the the question is would

01:13:32.080 --> 01:13:35.080
um deferral of this motion to

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.416
give it the opportunity to be um looked

01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:40.440
at by the heritage advisory committee um

01:13:40.480 --> 01:13:42.456
be be permissible or would that trigger

01:13:42.480 --> 01:13:45.480
an opportunity for a an appeal.

01:13:46.400 --> 01:13:48.296
Mr. Miller.

01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:51.320
So um through you Mr. Mayor. Look, I

01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.496
understand and it is regrettable that we

01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.416
didn't get this to the heritage advisory

01:13:55.440 --> 01:13:57.016
committee in the last couple of months

01:13:57.040 --> 01:13:58.536
once we'd got to the point where our

01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:00.776
heritage advisor was, you know,

01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.016
satisfied with the proposal. We've been

01:14:03.040 --> 01:14:05.175
on the journey with the applicant for

01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:08.199
them to arrive at this design.

01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:10.695
It's for you now in your consideration

01:14:10.719 --> 01:14:13.576
of the application to take on board all

01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:15.576
of the information that you have in our

01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:17.096
assessment.

01:14:17.120 --> 01:14:19.416
the heritage advisor who is your expert

01:14:19.440 --> 01:14:20.776
who's advising you that they're

01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:23.016
satisfied notwithstanding that there are

01:14:23.040 --> 01:14:25.256
elements within this that they're really

01:14:25.280 --> 01:14:28.056
clear are for your judgment not theirs

01:14:28.080 --> 01:14:30.135
because they're not necessarily heritage

01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:32.936
matters but they're DCP matters

01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.175
um and you know you have you have your

01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:36.616
report and you have the information

01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.576
before you so look to defer to go to the

01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.215
heritage advisory committee yes we would

01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:44.215
get advice from the heritage advisory

01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:45.896
committee and those would be further

01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:47.096
comments

01:14:47.120 --> 01:14:50.120
um you know they usually in the main

01:14:51.120 --> 01:14:53.496
actually support the heritage advisor um

01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:55.896
assessment. So but that's that that's

01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:58.920
your judgment. Um in relation to the car

01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.056
parking we need to so colleagues are

01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:03.736
confirming for me we need to be mindful

01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.760
that the um

01:15:08.080 --> 01:15:09.896
application what you're assessing here

01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:11.896
with respect to the car parking is the

01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:14.920
increase of the 40 children and so

01:15:15.280 --> 01:15:17.416
therefore the requirement is for 10

01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:19.736
additional spaces and that they've been

01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:22.215
provided through the nine on site

01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:24.936
including one disabled car park and add

01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:27.336
an additional four car car parks parking

01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:30.360
spaces for staff to the rear. Um it does

01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.296
include the removal of three of the

01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:34.536
angled car parking spaces on Crawford

01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:36.776
Street. That does result in a total of

01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:39.256
10 additional car parking spaces for the

01:15:39.280 --> 01:15:41.816
additional 40 children. So when we look

01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.616
at car parking, you actually start from

01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:47.175
the point of only looking at the

01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:49.655
additional children. You don't actually

01:15:49.679 --> 01:15:52.376
assess it for all of what it has been

01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:54.056
because the previous, you know,

01:15:54.080 --> 01:15:56.616
administration took a view that it was

01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:59.175
acceptable for it just to have off, you

01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:02.135
know, an off-site payment. Um, so that's

01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.296
where you land with your car parking

01:16:04.320 --> 01:16:07.320
issues with this proposal.

01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.536
Thank you. Um,

01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:13.560
this is a  a a really vexed and

01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.760
difficult um balancing act. Um and I as

01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:19.096
I mentioned earlier, I do appreciate the

01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:21.736
effort that um that the presenters have

01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:24.215
have brought to us this evening. Um I I

01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:27.239
I think with the car park um issue

01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:29.175
explained

01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:30.936
as it is, we're obviously dealing with a

01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:33.736
legacy problem um that that we can't

01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:36.760
really um   properly address. It's a

01:16:38.400 --> 01:16:40.215
it's a problem, but it does seem to

01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.239
comply which  which is is problematic.

01:16:43.440 --> 01:16:45.816
um there is a desperate need for

01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.840
childcare places um in in QPRC and

01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:51.896
that's demonstrated across the  across

01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.736
the local government area and and that's

01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:55.336
something that I think we also need to

01:16:55.360 --> 01:16:57.496
 to consider when looking at this u

01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.816
this application um and whilst I

01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.536
personally have  had deep challenges

01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:05.560
about child care for profit um I do

01:17:06.080 --> 01:17:08.296
understand and accept that that this

01:17:08.320 --> 01:17:11.320
that is a way of of increasing 

01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:15.239
childare fair place supplies. So, um the

01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.056
the the comments that were made about

01:17:18.080 --> 01:17:20.695
the  the the the the profit received

01:17:20.719 --> 01:17:22.776
by the  the organization that's 

01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:25.416
that's putting this DA I think are are

01:17:25.440 --> 01:17:28.440
unfortunately wholly irrelevant. Um I I

01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:31.896
I am vexed about this. I I do feel that

01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:34.135
maybe that there is an opportunity to to

01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:36.695
defer this um for the heritage advisory

01:17:36.719 --> 01:17:39.096
committee to to give us a report and I'd

01:17:39.120 --> 01:17:42.120
be inclined to  to to to put that as a

01:17:42.480 --> 01:17:44.776
I am going to put that as a um as a

01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:47.016
proposal to  to the um to my

01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:49.976
colleagues.

01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:51.496
All right. So, you want to move an

01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:53.336
amendment that the item be deferred? I

01:17:53.360 --> 01:17:54.695
move the minute that the item be

01:17:54.719 --> 01:17:56.936
deferred  to allow the heritage

01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.960
advisory committee to  investigate the

01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.640
development and report to council.

01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:07.496
Okay. Do we have a second for the

01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:09.576
amendment? Councelor Grundy. Okay.

01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:10.856
Councelor Preston.

01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:13.256
Yeah. I I I really think that um there

01:18:13.280 --> 01:18:15.655
is an opportunity here  for us to to

01:18:15.679 --> 01:18:18.679
to put this aside for the moment um as

01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:22.215
from the information that we've received

01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:25.239
this evening that it it that that that

01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:28.056
seems like a perfectly proper process 

01:18:28.080 --> 01:18:31.080
and doesn't  doesn't um invoke the 

01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:34.936
the possibility that the um the

01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:37.960
developer will go to to um the appeal

01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.096
it. Um so it gives us an opportunity to

01:18:41.120 --> 01:18:44.120
to um  as as one of the um the

01:18:45.040 --> 01:18:47.416
presenters said properly assess the the

01:18:47.440 --> 01:18:50.440
heritage issues. I feel that the um the

01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.416
the information provided in the  in

01:18:53.440 --> 01:18:55.816
the report as it stands from from the

01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.840
heritage advisor is is lukewarm at best

01:18:59.040 --> 01:19:00.616
and I think this is an opportunity for

01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.175
us to  to to get a a more considered

01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:05.256
approach. Thank you

01:19:05.280 --> 01:19:07.416
councelor Grundy.

01:19:07.440 --> 01:19:10.440
 I I just have a question or two if I

01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.960
may. Um 

01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:17.640
with what I've calculated to be  if

01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:20.695
this was approved  to be approximately

01:19:20.719 --> 01:19:23.719
a 30% increase in traffic on weekdays in

01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:29.000
the lane way. Um

01:19:29.360 --> 01:19:31.816
is it possible to if this was to go

01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:34.840
ahead to have um on the two blind

01:19:35.440 --> 01:19:38.440
corners in that laneway  each a convex

01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:42.936
traffic safety mirror installed as part

01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:44.856
of the conditions of consent? So that's

01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:47.880
a question. Um and secondly is is it

01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:51.256
correct my understanding that  during

01:19:51.280 --> 01:19:54.280
the construction phase that any related

01:19:55.120 --> 01:19:58.120
vehicles are not  able to access the

01:19:58.480 --> 01:20:00.616
lane.

01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:02.536
Mr. Miller

01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:05.560
um through Mr. Mayor um well I can take

01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:07.256
the question to the development

01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:08.616
engineers if the matter is being

01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:10.135
deferred but the assessment didn't

01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:12.616
require the convex mirrors. I've driven

01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.640
the lane myself. um the um

01:20:17.679 --> 01:20:20.296
the point that you're sort of um making

01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:22.856
I mean that whether that's an additional

01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:25.736
thing that helps residents to feel

01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.695
comfortable um using the lane it is only

01:20:28.719 --> 01:20:30.456
the staff that will be allowed to use

01:20:30.480 --> 01:20:32.456
the lane and the proposal has the full

01:20:32.480 --> 01:20:34.215
locked sliding gate with only staff

01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:37.239
access. So, um it would only be the

01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:41.175
additional four move four vehicles um

01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:43.816
that you're sort of suggesting

01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:46.056
um mirrors are needed for and the

01:20:46.080 --> 01:20:47.576
assessment by the local traffic

01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:49.016
committee and council's development

01:20:49.040 --> 01:20:51.096
agencies was that it didn't trigger that

01:20:51.120 --> 01:20:52.936
requirement. It didn't trigger the

01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:55.016
requirement for signage um for the

01:20:55.040 --> 01:20:58.040
laneway or anything like that. So but

01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:00.135
you know look you know I hear your

01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.376
question and you know no doubt um that

01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:05.400
is the case that if you know if it's

01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.256
being deferred we can um you know

01:21:07.280 --> 01:21:09.896
clarify that further and just need to

01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:12.536
really sorry if I if you could um humor

01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:14.776
me for a moment um Mr. Mayor it's really

01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:16.936
important to note that our heritage

01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:19.960
advisor's advice is our heritage advisor

01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:24.296
um not the heritage advisory committee

01:21:24.320 --> 01:21:26.776
make comment they provide you comments.

01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:29.655
So they don't actually do an assessment

01:21:29.679 --> 01:21:32.296
for you and we need to be mindful that

01:21:32.320 --> 01:21:35.016
if heritage is your issue, your your

01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:37.655
expert is um the only that heritage

01:21:37.679 --> 01:21:40.135
advisor is the expert you've got.

01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:42.215
Thank you, Councelor Grundy.

01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.936
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  and just a

01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.256
clarification just on that matter, if

01:21:47.280 --> 01:21:48.936
this was to go ahead during the

01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:51.960
construction phase, would the laneway um

01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.056
I guess there's been concerns that there

01:21:54.080 --> 01:21:56.856
could be obstruction there of access

01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.576
because of construction related

01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:02.600
vehicles. Um is that not likely to be

01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:05.960
the case because of provisions in  the

01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:09.159
conditions of consent or is that not?

01:22:10.719 --> 01:22:13.719
Um it would be a very well- reggulated

01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:16.536
form of access coming off that rear lane

01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:19.175
where necessary. Um having been to the

01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:21.896
site um

01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:23.496
it's actually going to be necessary to

01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.416
be able to access the lane to do some of

01:22:25.440 --> 01:22:27.256
the development. So it's not as though

01:22:27.280 --> 01:22:28.936
everything will be coming off Crawford

01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:31.016
Street but there would be construction

01:22:31.040 --> 01:22:33.576
management plans. Um there'd be ways in

01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:34.695
which it would have to be, you know,

01:22:34.719 --> 01:22:37.336
regulated, controlled, safety, all of

01:22:37.360 --> 01:22:39.976
those matters form part of the

01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:42.135
construction requirements for a

01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:44.135
development, you know, of this scale and

01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:47.096
size. The laneway is a public lane way,

01:22:47.120 --> 01:22:49.496
but um you can't park on the laneway.

01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:50.615
They wouldn't, you know, it would

01:22:50.639 --> 01:22:52.615
completely block the laneway if you sort

01:22:52.639 --> 01:22:55.639
of even double parked to unload or any

01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:57.655
of those things. All of those matters

01:22:57.679 --> 01:22:59.576
would have to be controlled and done on

01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:02.600
the site. But because it is a rear

01:23:02.719 --> 01:23:04.456
extension,

01:23:04.480 --> 01:23:06.695
there would be an amount of the the

01:23:06.719 --> 01:23:08.456
there would be activity to the rear cuz

01:23:08.480 --> 01:23:09.976
that's where the construction activity

01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:12.856
is happening.

01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.880
 and also on balance  can I get from

01:23:16.639 --> 01:23:19.639
staff um um a a position if that's

01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.880
possible on how legally sound are the

01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:28.199
heritage arguments and the DCP matters

01:23:28.480 --> 01:23:31.480
that have been raised?

01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.496
Is that something you're even able to

01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:35.175
attempt to address, Mr. Melon?

01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:36.856
Look, thank you through you, Mr. Mayor.

01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:39.880
Look, I'm I'm not a lawyer. Um I'm I'm a

01:23:40.080 --> 01:23:42.215
you know, town planner, so I can only

01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.239
give you planning advice. Um and

01:23:46.639 --> 01:23:49.416
um you know, I'm I've obviously spoken

01:23:49.440 --> 01:23:51.576
and made it clear around the land use

01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:53.256
being permitted with consent in

01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:55.576
accordance with the LEP in terms of the

01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:57.416
car parking and the traffic assessment.

01:23:57.440 --> 01:23:59.096
Those things have been well and truly

01:23:59.120 --> 01:24:01.976
satisfied. I've also indicated to you

01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:03.976
that your heritage advisor, which is

01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:07.000
your heritage advice, has strongly been

01:24:07.120 --> 01:24:09.336
on this journey and supported the

01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:11.896
proposal. The question that I've

01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:14.920
received on um the um the issues of

01:24:17.120 --> 01:24:19.576
coverage and the development control

01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:22.600
plan based on the amount of development.

01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:25.336
Um those are the the key issues that

01:24:25.360 --> 01:24:27.816
we're asking you to assess as counselors

01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:29.896
in looking at this variation because it

01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:32.920
is the coverage um you know variation

01:24:33.120 --> 01:24:36.120
that the DC that the DCP um provides

01:24:36.719 --> 01:24:38.856
that this applicant's asking you to

01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:40.936
consider. That's the variation you're

01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:43.960
looking at as part of your deliberation.

01:24:45.280 --> 01:24:46.776
Okay. Council Livermore.

01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:48.376
Um just a couple of comments from me.

01:24:48.400 --> 01:24:50.135
Yeah, I know that um we just said that

01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:52.056
we do have our own cultural heritage

01:24:52.080 --> 01:24:54.135
expert, but I you know I honestly

01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:56.215
believe that those the cultural the

01:24:56.239 --> 01:24:58.615
heritage um committee that we do have

01:24:58.639 --> 01:25:00.695
are very important for us to them to

01:25:00.719 --> 01:25:02.776
have their um input in these type of

01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:05.416
decisions or you know consultations. So

01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:06.695
I think it's important that when these

01:25:06.719 --> 01:25:08.215
are coming up that we do reach out to

01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.239
those committees um in that space. Um

01:25:11.440 --> 01:25:13.496
and then also

01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.096
um from one of our presenters tonight,

01:25:15.120 --> 01:25:17.736
they actually talked about the not just

01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:19.496
 the local traffic committee, but the

01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:21.336
traffic impact that would be happening

01:25:21.360 --> 01:25:23.896
when there is  this development that's

01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:25.016
going to be happening in the main road

01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:27.256
and then also the other  development

01:25:27.280 --> 01:25:30.280
that's happening down in  the other

01:25:30.480 --> 01:25:32.536
end of this street. But I think you know

01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:35.175
what were some of the processes  that

01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.576
would be put in place because  the tra

01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:39.416
local traffic would be impacted like I

01:25:39.440 --> 01:25:42.440
have  you know worked up at  Queen

01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.296
Public School and the traffic at 9:00

01:25:44.320 --> 01:25:46.536
and then also at 3:00 in the afternoon

01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.536
um is crazy because the impact also

01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:50.456
flows onto the other school that's down

01:25:50.480 --> 01:25:52.936
on the other corner. So I think you know

01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:54.456
this type of development that's going to

01:25:54.480 --> 01:25:57.480
be coming up what is I think the

01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.576
community wants to know what is the

01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:01.175
impact that's going to be happening

01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.416
throughout that process. So was I just

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:06.440
want to know was that considered um when

01:26:07.040 --> 01:26:10.040
you know looking at this um development

01:26:10.480 --> 01:26:12.376
being approved and would there be a

01:26:12.400 --> 01:26:14.456
conflict where traffic is going to be a

01:26:14.480 --> 01:26:17.175
bit of a an issue in the wider

01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:20.199
surrounding areas.

01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:22.376
So through you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, traffic

01:26:22.400 --> 01:26:23.816
has been assessed. The development

01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:25.736
engineers have looked at it both in

01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:28.215
terms of the the local the local road

01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:31.016
network and the actual site. Um I'm

01:26:31.040 --> 01:26:33.016
referring you to your attachments. In

01:26:33.040 --> 01:26:34.856
your attachments, you have a draft a

01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:36.536
schedule of draft conditions. And in

01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:38.776
those draft conditions, it deals with

01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:40.856
the issues to do with construction,

01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:42.536
traffic management, operation of the

01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:44.536
site, comingings and goings and all of

01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:46.695
the vehicle related matters. Those are

01:26:46.719 --> 01:26:48.296
the conditions which the development

01:26:48.320 --> 01:26:51.320
engineers have considered necessary to

01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:54.056
overcome any of the issues that have

01:26:54.080 --> 01:26:56.376
been raised and that's what the local

01:26:56.400 --> 01:26:59.016
traffic committee have also supported

01:26:59.040 --> 01:27:01.175
and we need to bear in mind that that's

01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.199
like that's an expert group of um um

01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.736
engineers

01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:09.576
council broadband

01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:12.600
 Mr. Mayor, I I think it's this um

01:27:13.280 --> 01:27:15.896
amendment. While I fully acknowledge and

01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.920
I think um it's a a morally good

01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:22.215
amendment, and I understand why we want

01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:25.239
to go down that path, um it also to me

01:27:26.480 --> 01:27:28.776
 feels a little bit like we're hoping

01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:31.016
that by deferring it, we're going to get

01:27:31.040 --> 01:27:32.536
some sort of result from heritage

01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.776
advisor, the heritage advisory committee

01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:37.800
that allows us to essentially just make

01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:40.135
the problem go away. Um, and I think

01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:43.159
that we are, yeah, I think we've got to

01:27:43.280 --> 01:27:45.175
take this challenge head on. And yes,

01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:46.456
there's people in the room that may not

01:27:46.480 --> 01:27:49.416
want to hear the way that you vote. Um,

01:27:49.440 --> 01:27:51.976
but it sounds to me like we have, ,

01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:54.456
plenty of advice um, to give us the

01:27:54.480 --> 01:27:57.480
right to make a decision , on the

01:27:57.520 --> 01:27:59.655
matter that was above this amendment, if

01:27:59.679 --> 01:28:02.056
that makes sense. Um, and so for that

01:28:02.080 --> 01:28:03.416
reason, I won't be supporting this

01:28:03.440 --> 01:28:05.175
amendment.

01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:06.936
Thank you. Councelor Broadband, is there

01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:08.536
further discussion on the amendment?

01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:10.856
Councelor Taskowski,

01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:12.776
Mr. Mayor, I was part of it on this

01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.496
development back many years ago. I think

01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:17.496
the staff has done excellent work

01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:20.520
contact with everyone and  everyone

01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:23.960
does supported to to be built to be

01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:26.536
extended because the town has grown up.

01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:28.376
It's growing more where we going to

01:28:28.400 --> 01:28:30.936
shift their child care centers. They are

01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.416
there and we got land to extend. that's

01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:36.376
extended and take into consideration

01:28:36.400 --> 01:28:38.536
heritage area and all the other things

01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:40.695
but

01:28:40.719 --> 01:28:43.719
delying and  putting away for a few

01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:46.376
weeks it's costly it's cost money cost

01:28:46.400 --> 01:28:48.776
the council cost the staff their

01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:51.576
headache and everything but I think this

01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:54.536
development is considered suitable and

01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.376
we should go ahead not to waste the

01:28:56.400 --> 01:28:59.400
right base money I not going to support

01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:02.056
in the future raising the rates because

01:29:02.080 --> 01:29:05.080
this will contribute to that.

01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:06.856
Thank you.

01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:09.175
Thank you. Councelor Grundy, you have a

01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:11.736
I have a question, Mr. Mayor. Um, noting

01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:14.760
that the heritage advisory committee um

01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:17.256
was appointed after the lodgement of

01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:20.215
this  DA

01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:23.239
um is it reasonable to in a way

01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:26.760
retrospectively apply um their advice,

01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:29.976
their involvement

01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:31.896
um at this point in time? I guess I'm

01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:33.976
asking is that appropriate for us to do

01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:37.000
that and or does that expose us to um

01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:39.896
unwanted

01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:42.920
um I guess legal consequences um or even

01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:46.135
just a matter of fairness and re and

01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:48.056
being reasonable.

01:29:48.080 --> 01:29:49.655
I think you're asking for an opinion

01:29:49.679 --> 01:29:51.016
from Mr. Miller.

01:29:51.040 --> 01:29:53.175
Um so um look, thank you and through you

01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:55.976
Mr. Mayor. I just want to be clear that

01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:57.736
it's not as though we didn't discuss

01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.760
that issue exactly um you know between

01:30:01.040 --> 01:30:03.256
the team and myself when looking at

01:30:03.280 --> 01:30:05.816
finalizing this application. It is for

01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:07.655
exactly that reason that we didn't

01:30:07.679 --> 01:30:09.175
retrospectively

01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:10.856
take it back to the heritage advisory

01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:12.536
committee because by the time the

01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:14.536
heritage advisory committee had been

01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:16.936
appointed we'd already been working

01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:18.376
through our assessment with the

01:30:18.400 --> 01:30:21.400
applicant. Um, now

01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:23.736
I think that we would have had to have

01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:26.135
um, you know, done that some time ago

01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:28.135
for it to not look like we're shopping

01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:31.159
around for an opinion. And that was the

01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:33.175
thing that I wasn't prepared to do

01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:34.776
because if it looked like I was shopping

01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:36.936
around for an opinion and then putting

01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:39.496
that into the report that that's also

01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:42.520
wrong. So, um, look, we've done a review

01:30:43.280 --> 01:30:44.936
of what we've got on the books to make

01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:46.695
sure that we're not in this situation

01:30:46.719 --> 01:30:49.719
again. But a 2024 DA is quite a rare

01:30:50.320 --> 01:30:52.615
thing for us these days. Um so

01:30:52.639 --> 01:30:54.695
unfortunately the age of this

01:30:54.719 --> 01:30:56.536
application is why it's been caught by

01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:58.856
this issue.

01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:00.695
Thank you. Is there further discussion

01:31:00.719 --> 01:31:02.536
on the amendment? I might just make a

01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.695
couple of comments just in general on

01:31:04.719 --> 01:31:06.296
the amendment and on the development

01:31:06.320 --> 01:31:07.736
application. I'm sure everyone's

01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:09.896
awaiting with baited breath. So I think

01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:11.976
it is  important that the heritage

01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:15.000
advisory committee is consulted for DAS

01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:16.615
like the one that's right in front of

01:31:16.639 --> 01:31:18.296
them. why we have it and I understand

01:31:18.320 --> 01:31:20.695
why staff have decided not to and then

01:31:20.719 --> 01:31:22.296
it wouldn't be fair but this amendment

01:31:22.320 --> 01:31:24.056
at least direct staff this is the

01:31:24.080 --> 01:31:26.856
council's opinion that they should be

01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.880
consulted about it. Um it is obvious 

01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.655
you know that this is it's clear from

01:31:33.679 --> 01:31:35.016
all of the submissions and if you've

01:31:35.040 --> 01:31:36.536
read them all and the presentations that

01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:38.776
we heard tonight the community firmly

01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:41.016
opposes this development application and

01:31:41.040 --> 01:31:42.695
I do believe there are legitimate and

01:31:42.719 --> 01:31:44.776
sufficient planning grounds to not

01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:47.336
approve the DA. It is one of the moen

01:31:47.360 --> 01:31:48.936
one of the most important areas in our

01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:51.960
LGA and crucial we get development in

01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:55.239
the area correct to me it's just become

01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:57.256
clear that this business and a very

01:31:57.280 --> 01:32:00.280
successful and um business there that

01:32:01.040 --> 01:32:03.576
they if they've outgrown their premises

01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:05.496
basically if they want to expand it and

01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:07.976
and good on them and make their business

01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:11.000
bigger that's great but there's just to

01:32:11.120 --> 01:32:13.016
me there's too many compromises we're

01:32:13.040 --> 01:32:15.496
making to adj to adjust their facility

01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:17.416
to fit these 40 extra kids and we do

01:32:17.440 --> 01:32:20.056
know it's absolutely essential we have

01:32:20.080 --> 01:32:22.776
extra  room for daycare especially in

01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:24.456
the CBD with the developments we've got

01:32:24.480 --> 01:32:26.615
going on in in the two in Crawford

01:32:26.639 --> 01:32:28.376
Street just to start with but I do

01:32:28.400 --> 01:32:30.135
believe that there are significant and

01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:31.655
unacceptable

01:32:31.679 --> 01:32:34.135
impacts on the surrounding premises the

01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:35.896
main reason I'm going to support that we

01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:37.496
do defer this item because I want to

01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:38.936
speak specifically with councelor Willis

01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.856
about her foreshadow contract motion

01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:43.336
make sure that she actually got it very

01:32:43.360 --> 01:32:45.256
specifically correct because if we do

01:32:45.280 --> 01:32:46.776
defend and this in the land environment

01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:47.976
court and that's something that stands

01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:49.655
over every planning decision that

01:32:49.679 --> 01:32:51.576
councils have to make the threat of it

01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:53.736
being taken to court that we do have it

01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:55.655
right and have those grounds sorted

01:32:55.679 --> 01:32:58.056
before this comes back to council. So I

01:32:58.080 --> 01:32:59.416
am going to support the amendment that

01:32:59.440 --> 01:33:01.256
we defer it but I guess I'm putting it

01:33:01.280 --> 01:33:03.976
out there that my current

01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:06.056
opinion is this is something that we

01:33:06.080 --> 01:33:08.536
should be rejecting but making sure that

01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.135
we get those grounds absolutely correct

01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:12.296
before we do it. I'll call for further

01:33:12.320 --> 01:33:14.936
speakers on the amendment

01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:16.695
if there's no you want to sum up debate

01:33:16.719 --> 01:33:19.256
on the amendment councelor Preston.

01:33:19.280 --> 01:33:20.615
 thank you mayor and thank you for

01:33:20.639 --> 01:33:22.456
those comments. That's a very helpful

01:33:22.480 --> 01:33:25.480
analysis. Um um I'd just like to note

01:33:25.679 --> 01:33:28.536
that the role of the formal advisor

01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:30.615
expert and the the the role of the

01:33:30.639 --> 01:33:32.776
committee are actually diverse as as

01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.800
Moreller has um has pointed out. Um 

01:33:37.920 --> 01:33:40.615
 but we did stand up that as you have

01:33:40.639 --> 01:33:42.536
said we did that stand up that committee

01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:44.936
 for  for this partic the these

01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:47.960
types of of purposes  and far from um

01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:51.576
to use Miss Orla's vernacular far from

01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:53.256
shopping for an opinion. I think this is

01:33:53.280 --> 01:33:54.776
actually just due diligence on our

01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.800
behalf. Thank you.

01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:59.016
Okay council I'm going to put the

01:33:59.040 --> 01:34:01.416
amendment though. All those in favor,

01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:03.336
councelor Grundy, councelor Livermore,

01:34:03.360 --> 01:34:05.175
councelor Preston, councelor Tascowski,

01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:06.536
councelor Woodhouse, councelor Willis,

01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:08.056
councelor Winchester, and against

01:34:08.080 --> 01:34:09.416
councelor Broadbent. I declare it

01:34:09.440 --> 01:34:11.175
carried. So member comes to motion. Is

01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:12.376
there going to be further debate on the

01:34:12.400 --> 01:34:14.215
motion? If not, I'll put the motion. All

01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.239
those in favor, that's unanimous and

01:34:17.280 --> 01:34:19.976
carried. Thank you councilors. The next

01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:23.000
item is the item 9.2, which is DA

01:34:24.480 --> 01:34:27.480
2025-0270.

01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:29.816
subdivision to create 35 Torrance total

01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.736
lots, open spaces, associated roads,

01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.576
infrastructure and landscaping to Ailia

01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:34.456
Avenue trly.

01:34:34.480 --> 01:34:37.480
Um can I make a procedural motion, Mr.

01:34:37.679 --> 01:34:38.936
Mayor?

01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.960
That we move um I the 9.5 um to the

01:34:45.120 --> 01:34:46.376
front um just because we have a

01:34:46.400 --> 01:34:47.896
Braidwood resident and they'll have to

01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:49.416
go drive home

01:34:49.440 --> 01:34:51.976
and 9.6.

01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:53.576
Okay. So, we got a procedural motion to

01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:55.976
bring forward items 9.5 and 9.6. Do you

01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:57.655
have a second for that? Councelor

01:34:57.679 --> 01:34:59.096
Broadbent. All right, we'll put that

01:34:59.120 --> 01:35:01.175
motion. Council is all in favor.

01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.416
That is unanimous and carried. So, we

01:35:03.440 --> 01:35:05.976
will not deal with 9.2 yet. We will go

01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:09.000
to item 9.5, which is submissions report

01:35:09.120 --> 01:35:11.336
on the Braidwood structure plan. Do we

01:35:11.360 --> 01:35:13.175
have a mover as per the business paper

01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.336
councilors?

01:35:15.360 --> 01:35:17.896
Councelor Preston and a second council

01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:20.215
waterhouse. Councelor Preston.

01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:22.215
Yeah, just brief comments on this. um

01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:24.456
noting that the the command of one of

01:35:24.480 --> 01:35:25.896
our presenters tonight and I thank them

01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:28.536
for that about about extending um the

01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.096
the the consultation period to the to

01:35:31.120 --> 01:35:33.736
20th of February. Um I'd be quite

01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:36.615
relaxed about that.  if the second is

01:35:36.639 --> 01:35:39.639
is um happy to include that. Um I I

01:35:40.719 --> 01:35:42.135
think this is a good piece of work and

01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:43.736
that was pointed out by a number of our

01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.135
our pres presenters tonight and and

01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:48.135
staff need to be congratulated on this

01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:50.215
but also Braidwood community need to be

01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:51.816
congratulated on their their

01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:54.536
participation in this process and the

01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:56.936
opportunity that they have to continue

01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:59.960
this  this um engagement with council

01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:02.376
is is before them now with the if if we

01:36:02.400 --> 01:36:05.400
 if this motion goes ahead. Um it we

01:36:06.639 --> 01:36:09.336
always enjoy um working with the

01:36:09.360 --> 01:36:11.016
Braayood community. They are very

01:36:11.040 --> 01:36:14.040
engaged um and  and this is a really

01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:17.096
good example of of how we can achieve

01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:18.856
better outcomes through that engagement

01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:21.576
and I thank them for that. Thank you pre

01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:22.856
councelor Preston and just for those

01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:23.976
following at home we have actually

01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:27.000
adjusted the motion so that the.3

01:36:29.280 --> 01:36:31.655
now reads place the amended draft braid

01:36:31.679 --> 01:36:33.256
with structure plan on public exhibition

01:36:33.280 --> 01:36:34.776
commencing from first week of December

01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:37.336
25 and closing on the 20th of February

01:36:37.360 --> 01:36:38.856
2026

01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:40.296
council waterhouse

01:36:40.320 --> 01:36:42.536
no no further comments I think it stands

01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:45.256
on its own merits okay is there further

01:36:45.280 --> 01:36:46.776
discussion

01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:48.615
if not we'll put the motion all those in

01:36:48.639 --> 01:36:51.639
favor that's unanimous and carried 9.6

01:36:52.480 --> 01:36:53.896
is the planning and development

01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:56.776
community participation plan. We have a

01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:59.800
mover as per the business paper

01:37:00.080 --> 01:37:02.776
council Willis and second council

01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:05.256
Preston. Council Willis.

01:37:05.280 --> 01:37:07.416
 thank you and can I thank Mr. Wilson

01:37:07.440 --> 01:37:10.135
for coming to council to talk about this

01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:11.736
issue. I know it's something he's

01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.536
clearly passionate about. Um, in the

01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:16.135
course of the council briefing last

01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:19.159
night, we discussed making  a a minor

01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.296
change, but I think important to I think

01:37:22.320 --> 01:37:25.320
it's um part seven

01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.520
 which was where's my email? Um to

01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:31.816
ensure rather than give staff a

01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:34.536
discretion to

01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:37.496
um advise submitters in certain

01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:39.816
circumstances, where have I got that?

01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:42.376
That it's um that it's that it will

01:37:42.400 --> 01:37:43.816
happen. It's not a matter for

01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:45.496
discretion.

01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:47.256
Councelor Grundy might be able to help

01:37:47.280 --> 01:37:50.280
here. It was

01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:52.296
councelor Will. This is in section

01:37:52.320 --> 01:37:55.320
seven. Yeah. Thanks. Um I I had asked

01:37:56.639 --> 01:37:59.496
Ms. Or Miller about making the same um

01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:02.056
qu  change to section 8 which also has

01:38:02.080 --> 01:38:05.080
a discretion.

01:38:07.679 --> 01:38:09.896
Was that a question councelor Willis?

01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:12.920
Yes, I had proposed it. I  but I

01:38:13.679 --> 01:38:15.496
gather that um the staff are not

01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:17.336
supportive and I'm asking Miss if she

01:38:17.360 --> 01:38:20.360
could explain why.

01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:23.256
Mela.

01:38:23.280 --> 01:38:26.135
So um through you Mr. Mayor. Um part

01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:29.159
eight of the actual plan is around when

01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:30.936
we're on the journey assessing a

01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:32.456
development application with an

01:38:32.480 --> 01:38:35.480
applicant the plans are amended. Um

01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:39.239
sometimes you know you know 9.1 you know

01:38:39.679 --> 01:38:42.376
case in point when those amendments are

01:38:42.400 --> 01:38:45.016
substantial in the assessment of the

01:38:45.040 --> 01:38:47.576
application we take the view to not

01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:49.976
renotify on them. Sometimes they're

01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.056
relatively small. They're not of the

01:38:52.080 --> 01:38:55.016
scale and nature like 9.1 and they

01:38:55.040 --> 01:38:57.655
really don't cause any further harm or

01:38:57.679 --> 01:39:00.679
the actual process of doing a a further

01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:04.280
notification would be um you know not

01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:05.896
proportionate for the issue that we

01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:07.655
might be actually dealing with here. It

01:39:07.679 --> 01:39:09.576
could be the removal of a sign. It could

01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:11.576
be the change of some really small

01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:14.456
detail and more often than not it would

01:39:14.480 --> 01:39:16.936
be in response to submissions that have

01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:19.496
been received. So, we wouldn't go out

01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:21.576
and renotify

01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:24.600
um on that um those amended plans for

01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:27.736
every single um step of the way. We do

01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:29.896
where they're substantial, which is the

01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.776
reason why um I'm advising against

01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:35.576
having section 8 amended to say that

01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:36.856
every time, you know, we've got an

01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:39.175
amendment on a plan. This isn't

01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:42.199
notification on a modification to a DA.

01:39:42.639 --> 01:39:45.639
This is notification in relation to

01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:47.896
during the life of the assessment of the

01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:50.215
application.

01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:52.456
That's the difference. Part seven

01:39:52.480 --> 01:39:55.480
relates to the notification on a

01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:57.896
modification to a development consent,

01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.920
which is why we support the council's

01:40:01.040 --> 01:40:03.655
proposals for changes there. section 8.

01:40:03.679 --> 01:40:06.056
I would I would um strongly recommend

01:40:06.080 --> 01:40:07.736
against

01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:09.336
um taking that making that change

01:40:09.360 --> 01:40:11.175
because otherwise your professional

01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:13.896
officer's judgment isn't being like used

01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:15.416
at all.

01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:17.016
Thank you. That makes sense. So the

01:40:17.040 --> 01:40:19.416
amendment should they were my notes. Um

01:40:19.440 --> 01:40:22.215
the amendment should actually say um in

01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:25.239
section seven um we'll just need to find

01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:28.600
the paragraph. Um

01:40:29.360 --> 01:40:31.655
um may

01:40:31.679 --> 01:40:34.679
notify I think it is um is changed to

01:40:34.719 --> 01:40:36.936
will notify.

01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:39.256
Well, I don't have the document in front

01:40:39.280 --> 01:40:40.056
of me

01:40:40.080 --> 01:40:41.896
because I can't open any more things on

01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:42.456
my screen.

01:40:42.480 --> 01:40:44.856
Sorry. Three, Mr. Mayor. Is it section

01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:46.376
seven modifications to development

01:40:46.400 --> 01:40:49.175
consent? The words

01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:52.199
It's is council will notify a 4552

01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:55.576
modification application that that

01:40:55.600 --> 01:40:56.695
sentence be changed.

01:40:56.719 --> 01:40:57.256
Yes.

01:40:57.280 --> 01:41:00.280
Y so it's a will not a may

01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:03.655
through Mr. Mayor you'd like that in the

01:41:03.679 --> 01:41:04.856
resolution.

01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:06.215
Yes please.

01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:09.239
Yes noting the following changes

01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:12.456
changes.

01:41:12.480 --> 01:41:14.376
Councilors I know it's not 7:30 yet but

01:41:14.400 --> 01:41:16.296
we've been going for nearly 2 hours.

01:41:16.320 --> 01:41:17.496
We're going to adjourn for 10 minutes.

01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:18.856
Just allow the minute taker to get this

01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:20.376
absolutely correct and we'll reconvene

01:41:20.400 --> 01:41:22.376
the meeting at 7:22.

01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:24.296
Yeah, my apologies. It's a bit of a

01:41:24.320 --> 01:41:24.615
monster.

01:41:24.639 --> 01:41:27.576
The meeting councelor.

01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.056
Okay. So, we're now back live and during

01:41:30.080 --> 01:41:32.615
the break we have updated the motion.

01:41:32.639 --> 01:41:34.135
Councelor Willis, I'm going to get you

01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:37.159
to read out what's been agreed.

01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:39.175
Thank you, Mayor.  that council

01:41:39.199 --> 01:41:40.615
endorse the amended community

01:41:40.639 --> 01:41:43.256
participation plan for public exhibition

01:41:43.280 --> 01:41:46.135
until 6th February 2026 noting the

01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:48.856
following changes. 1 section 7

01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.416
modifications to a development consent.

01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:54.440
Council will notify 4.55

01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:56.856
bracket 2 closed bracket modification

01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:59.880
applications. Two, add a link to the

01:42:00.080 --> 01:42:02.856
code of meeting practice in section 16

01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:05.655
and a link to the QPRC web page

01:42:05.679 --> 01:42:07.816
outlining how to participate in council

01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:09.976
meetings where there are details about

01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.576
when to lodge a written submission to

01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:14.600
the public forum speaking time limit 

01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:18.119
registering via email or at the door.

01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:19.416
Thanks. And councelor Preston, you're

01:42:19.440 --> 01:42:21.016
happy with that?

01:42:21.040 --> 01:42:21.576
Yes.

01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:23.816
Yes. Okay. You'd like to speak to it,

01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.840
councelor Willis?  just briefly um

01:42:27.119 --> 01:42:30.119
this  plan um was  sort of embedded

01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:33.496
if you like in the um community

01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:35.736
engagement plan but there was a decision

01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:37.976
at an extraordinary meeting that I

01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:41.000
didn't attend um to remove it. So this

01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:43.976
is essentially a a fresh document. Um

01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:45.576
we've made some changes including the

01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:47.816
ones here tonight.  I think it's

01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:49.736
important that the community has an

01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:52.760
opportunity to  provide feedback. I

01:42:53.360 --> 01:42:55.496
don't necessarily agree with all of Mr.

01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.896
Mr. Wilson's comments about where

01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:00.920
council's  responsibility extends to,

01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:04.536
but in any any event um this will be an

01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:06.296
another opportunity for him and anyone

01:43:06.320 --> 01:43:08.856
else to provide feedback to council

01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:11.880
before we adopt it. Noting

01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:15.095
that the cha planning bill changes

01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:16.615
rushed through the New South Wales

01:43:16.639 --> 01:43:19.175
Parliament will mean that this document

01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:22.199
will become um superfluous when it is

01:43:23.360 --> 01:43:25.416
replaced by a single community

01:43:25.440 --> 01:43:27.976
participation plan that will cover the

01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:29.496
entire state.

01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:31.336
Thank you, Council Willis. Is there

01:43:31.360 --> 01:43:33.976
further discussion? Councilors,

01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:35.175
Council Grundy.

01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:36.856
 thank you, Mr. Mayor. Finally to say

01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:39.880
I'm much happier with this  and I was

01:43:41.040 --> 01:43:42.776
about to put up something similar myself

01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:44.695
as an amendment because it did concern

01:43:44.719 --> 01:43:47.416
me that the community participation plan

01:43:47.440 --> 01:43:50.215
had not been out to public exhibition

01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:53.239
for comment um as it was contained

01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:56.776
within um the community engagement

01:43:56.800 --> 01:43:59.736
strategy document and many in the

01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:01.736
community were unaware that it was in

01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:04.760
that  anyway  but we did as a

01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:06.936
council I wasn't I was away on that day

01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:09.960
also.  council did remove the

01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:12.695
participation plan and we get to this

01:44:12.719 --> 01:44:15.336
result now. So it does now u mean that

01:44:15.360 --> 01:44:18.215
we are compliant with the EPA act and it

01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:21.239
goes some way I think to  offer the

01:44:21.360 --> 01:44:23.496
opportunity to members of the public to

01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.520
contribute to what is vital a vital

01:44:27.280 --> 01:44:29.576
document regarding their engagement

01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:32.600
their involvement and participation in

01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:35.016
planning matters.

01:44:35.040 --> 01:44:37.016
Thank you, councelor Broadband.

01:44:37.040 --> 01:44:38.856
Um, yeah, look, and it was an

01:44:38.880 --> 01:44:41.095
extraordinary meeting um with those

01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:43.576
present. Um, no, I've got just a very

01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.600
very quick  question for or through

01:44:46.639 --> 01:44:49.175
you, Mr. Mayor. Um, probably to planning

01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:51.655
staff regarding section 10. I think I

01:44:51.679 --> 01:44:53.416
know the answer. Um, but just wanted to

01:44:53.440 --> 01:44:56.440
put it out for the public. um regarding

01:44:56.960 --> 01:44:59.655
 the I guess it's we strongly

01:44:59.679 --> 01:45:02.215
recommend community consultation be

01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:05.239
conducted by developers etc.  and I

01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:08.536
guess I wanted to just clarify why we

01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:10.936
wouldn't require it or what the

01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:12.776
recommendations are there and and bit of

01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:15.016
detail around that be great

01:45:15.040 --> 01:45:17.496
so through you Mr. May um we can't

01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.896
actually require a developer to do that

01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:22.376
and that's why we can only do um like

01:45:22.400 --> 01:45:24.615
you know encouraging language in that

01:45:24.639 --> 01:45:27.639
area and who knows what the future um

01:45:27.679 --> 01:45:30.296
will look like in relation to engagement

01:45:30.320 --> 01:45:32.296
on development in the future but we

01:45:32.320 --> 01:45:34.615
don't have those authorities to do that.

01:45:34.639 --> 01:45:36.296
Wonderful and we certainly have seen it

01:45:36.320 --> 01:45:37.736
not go well in the past so who knows

01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:40.296
what will happen in the future. Thanks.

01:45:40.320 --> 01:45:42.456
Is there further discussion councilors?

01:45:42.480 --> 01:45:43.976
If not we'll pull the motion. All those

01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.936
in favor that's unanimous and carried.

01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:49.816
So we'll go back to item 9.2

01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:51.976
which is a DA for the subdivision to

01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:54.376
create 35 torrent title lots open spaces

01:45:54.400 --> 01:45:56.056
associated roads infrastructure and

01:45:56.080 --> 01:45:59.080
landscaping to Ailia Avenue trale. Do we

01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:02.296
have a mover for this one councilors?

01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:03.736
Councelor Waterhouse second council

01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:05.336
Tasoski. Is there discussion on this

01:46:05.360 --> 01:46:07.016
item?

01:46:07.040 --> 01:46:08.296
If there's no discussion we'll put the

01:46:08.320 --> 01:46:10.936
motion all in favor that's unanimous and

01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:13.016
carried. 9.3 is the review of

01:46:13.040 --> 01:46:15.576
environmental factors for proposed Quebe

01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:17.736
pipeline project. We have a mover

01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:19.655
councilors

01:46:19.679 --> 01:46:21.336
councelor Taskcowski and a second

01:46:21.360 --> 01:46:23.095
council grundy. Is there discussion on

01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:26.119
this item councilors? Councelor Willis.

01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:31.000
 thank you mayor. I just wanted um 

01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:33.576
wondered whether staff could confirm in

01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:36.600
the meeting that um council has no role

01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:40.199
in approving or otherwise um this um

01:46:41.280 --> 01:46:44.280
pipeline project because  it is exempt

01:46:44.480 --> 01:46:46.776
development. So  when we're being

01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:48.856
asked to endorse it, it doesn't really

01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.880
have  a legal effect.

01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:53.896
Mr. Miller,

01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:55.175
 through you, Mr. Mayor, I'll just

01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:56.936
clarify. It's um development under part

01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:59.960
five of the EPA act. Um it requires a

01:47:00.080 --> 01:47:02.215
review of environmental factors and and

01:47:02.239 --> 01:47:04.296
that is what we've um got before you

01:47:04.320 --> 01:47:06.456
tonight. Just seeking your endorsement

01:47:06.480 --> 01:47:08.376
for it. It's not a development consent

01:47:08.400 --> 01:47:11.400
that um process here.

01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:16.440
 there was um  there was a question

01:47:16.639 --> 01:47:18.456
in one or a comment in one of the

01:47:18.480 --> 01:47:19.976
submissions. There were about eight

01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:23.000
submissions.  and one of them um

01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:27.016
 was asking or had suggested it would

01:47:27.040 --> 01:47:28.776
be good to turn off the bore water

01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:30.215
supply. I think it was a comment about

01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:32.615
the quality of drinking water in

01:47:32.639 --> 01:47:35.256
Bangador. But the response said that the

01:47:35.280 --> 01:47:38.135
retention of the BS  the the BS will

01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:41.095
be retained as a supply  is required

01:47:41.119 --> 01:47:43.576
to support the forecast growth. And that

01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:46.600
struck me as an odd comment because 

01:47:47.360 --> 01:47:50.360
this project entails now um  a

01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:54.215
pipeline and ancillary

01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:56.376
development, pumping stations,

01:47:56.400 --> 01:47:59.400
recllorination um facilities, etc. Um

01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:03.239
estimated to cost $108 million. And I

01:48:03.679 --> 01:48:05.576
would have thought that it would deliver

01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:07.976
the water supply and that the BS

01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:10.536
wouldn't actually the BS  some of the

01:48:10.560 --> 01:48:12.456
BS have PAS in them. And we were told

01:48:12.480 --> 01:48:14.936
that was  now one of the reasons that

01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:17.336
this project should proceed

01:48:17.360 --> 01:48:20.296
um so that we would have  more um

01:48:20.320 --> 01:48:22.695
water security for Bangodor. So why do

01:48:22.719 --> 01:48:25.719
the BS have to be retained?

01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:29.175
Mr. Mr. Cunningham.

01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:31.496
 thank you Mr. Mayor. the the proposal

01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:34.520
to retain the BS was always highlighted

01:48:35.679 --> 01:48:38.679
in the IWCM and any report to council.

01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:41.896
Council might remember that we were

01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:44.776
looking for a supplementary supply which

01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:47.800
is where the 1,000 megal peranom

01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.800
additional was required. So the IWCM,

01:48:52.639 --> 01:48:55.496
the original IWCM identified around

01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:58.520
about 1.5 gig 1 1,500 megal and the 472

01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:02.776
plus a,000. So it was always a

01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:04.936
supplementary supply and I I do note too

01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:07.960
that the negotiations with the territory

01:49:08.320 --> 01:49:09.736
and the commonwealth mostly the

01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.760
territory have always been on the

01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:14.776
understanding that it was a

01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.800
supplementary supply. As for PAS, the

01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:20.856
the solution for PAS even at the moment

01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:23.880
with the existing BS is about

01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:25.655
maintaining the ball that the

01:49:25.679 --> 01:49:28.679
problematic bore bore six and  by

01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:32.119
combining it with the  the PAS free

01:49:32.400 --> 01:49:35.400
BS, we we had a um we had a supply that

01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:39.239
was now well within the ADWG,

01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:41.175
the Australian drinking water guidelines

01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:44.199
limits. by bringing in the um the  

01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:47.736
the pipeline supply that just gives us

01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:49.416
another string to our bow and councilors

01:49:49.440 --> 01:49:51.496
might remember I I talked about three

01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.456
supplies in currently the BS and and the

01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:56.695
pipeline so that's the history was

01:49:56.719 --> 01:49:58.615
always meant to be a supplementary

01:49:58.639 --> 01:50:00.376
supply

01:50:00.400 --> 01:50:03.400
thank you um can I the report also 

01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:07.000
notes that um a new water supply pipe to

01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:11.016
the Australian um defense 

01:50:11.040 --> 01:50:12.856
establishment between Bangodor and

01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:15.880
Queenian  was addressed in the review

01:50:16.080 --> 01:50:18.615
of environmental factors. It's listed as

01:50:18.639 --> 01:50:21.639
optional. So perhaps Mr. Cunningham can

01:50:22.480 --> 01:50:24.776
explain where we're up to on that. 

01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:26.936
whether it is intended that it proceed

01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.256
and if it is to proceed, whether the

01:50:29.280 --> 01:50:31.016
Department of Defense will be

01:50:31.040 --> 01:50:32.776
contributing to the capital and

01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:35.800
operational cost of that infrastructure.

01:50:37.199 --> 01:50:39.496
Thanks, Mr. Mayor. the the proposal or

01:50:39.520 --> 01:50:42.296
the potential to supply the headquarters

01:50:42.320 --> 01:50:45.320
has always been um in the mix, but I can

01:50:46.560 --> 01:50:49.416
confirm that the proposal at the moment

01:50:49.440 --> 01:50:52.135
whilst allowing for it. Councilors might

01:50:52.159 --> 01:50:54.776
remember I talked about making provision

01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:56.376
at the reservoir side. It's very

01:50:56.400 --> 01:50:58.296
difficult to retrofit it. So, we're

01:50:58.320 --> 01:51:00.936
keeping that option open, but beyond

01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.960
that, as far as a flange, no other works

01:51:04.320 --> 01:51:06.856
are proposed at this stage. the the RAF

01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:09.095
though considers it. In case it does,

01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:10.936
it'll be a worthwhile documenting in

01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:13.175
that eventuality. At the moment, there

01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:16.199
are no plans to to do that part. Thank

01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:19.880
you.  we noticed in um item 9.5, Mr.

01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.960
Tuckwell mentioned the um substantial

01:51:25.040 --> 01:51:26.536
revision of the braid the draft

01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:29.560
braidwood structure plan on the basis of

01:51:29.679 --> 01:51:32.679
um quite  large changes  in

01:51:34.639 --> 01:51:36.856
population projection.

01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:39.880
Um I I have he I'm not sure if he sent

01:51:40.480 --> 01:51:42.215
them to all the councils but I he did

01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:44.536
send me a copy of his questions and this

01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:46.776
applied in some cases to the whole of

01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:49.175
New South Wales as well as  obviously

01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:51.175
his area of interest was Braidwood. So

01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:53.416
I'm wondering whether council has

01:51:53.440 --> 01:51:56.440
recently  sought or obtained um

01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:59.175
population projections for Bangodor

01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:01.336
given there's been such a drop in

01:52:01.360 --> 01:52:02.936
Braidwood. I'm not suggesting they're

01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.256
like communities. said distance from

01:52:05.280 --> 01:52:07.336
major employment centers is obviously a

01:52:07.360 --> 01:52:09.336
factor but I'd be interested to know

01:52:09.360 --> 01:52:11.816
whether we have recent population

01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:14.840
projections for Bangodor

01:52:15.360 --> 01:52:17.976
so through you Mr. Mayor um  yes

01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:20.056
that's work that we've been um gathering

01:52:20.080 --> 01:52:21.575
in terms of the evidence base for the

01:52:21.599 --> 01:52:24.135
Bangodor structure plan and um just as

01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:25.575
we've been on the Braidwood structure

01:52:25.599 --> 01:52:27.496
plan journey we'll be including that

01:52:27.520 --> 01:52:29.575
information as part of the the Bungador

01:52:29.599 --> 01:52:32.599
structure plan work. So and as far as um

01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:35.095
our assessment of this review of

01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:37.655
environmental factors um that would um

01:52:37.679 --> 01:52:40.679
be um I'll say not not a point of um

01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:43.016
relevance in terms of our satisfying

01:52:43.040 --> 01:52:45.095
ourselves of that.

01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:46.936
Thank you. Yes, I understand it's um

01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:49.496
sort of different parts of um the need

01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:51.655
as opposed to  the environmental

01:52:51.679 --> 01:52:53.416
impact of the proposition are different.

01:52:53.440 --> 01:52:56.135
I understand that. Um I also had a

01:52:56.159 --> 01:52:59.159
question about  a comment in the 

01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:02.760
the RAF in the front section. It says

01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.520
Bangor is um experiencing strong growth

01:53:07.280 --> 01:53:09.896
pressures because of its proximity to

01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:12.920
the ACT. And I note that several months

01:53:13.280 --> 01:53:16.280
ago, the ACT assembly decided that 

01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:19.256
90% of future development would be

01:53:19.280 --> 01:53:22.280
infill so that they didn't need to um 

01:53:23.599 --> 01:53:26.215
have h new housing on Greenfield sites.

01:53:26.239 --> 01:53:29.175
And part of that was in response to the

01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:30.936
community campaign to protect the what

01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:32.215
they call the western edge and that's

01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:34.536
along the Marvichi corridor in the far

01:53:34.560 --> 01:53:37.560
west of  the ACT. Um, and so, , what

01:53:39.599 --> 01:53:42.135
I'm reading from that comment is that,

01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:45.016
, the ACT is going to, um, stop

01:53:45.040 --> 01:53:47.256
having, , green field development,

01:53:47.280 --> 01:53:49.496
which tends to be larger lots, not

01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:51.896
always, but it's not it's not, um,

01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:53.976
smaller housing as you tend to have with

01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.000
infill. Um, and, , Bangador can do the

01:53:57.280 --> 01:54:00.056
heavy lifting. So I want to know in the

01:54:00.080 --> 01:54:02.215
um course of the discussions over some

01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:05.239
time between um the ACT government, the

01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:07.496
New South Wales government, the

01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:09.655
Commonwealth government and I know the

01:54:09.679 --> 01:54:12.056
council has had senior staff attending

01:54:12.080 --> 01:54:15.080
those discussions. Has the ACT offered

01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:18.056
to contribute to the capital cost of

01:54:18.080 --> 01:54:19.896
this pipeline?

01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:21.816
Sorry. Point of clarification, Mr.

01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:24.296
Mayor. Is that relevant for endorsing

01:54:24.320 --> 01:54:27.175
review of environmental factors?

01:54:27.199 --> 01:54:28.376
See, I think we're getting very

01:54:28.400 --> 01:54:29.736
borderline. I think it's going to the

01:54:29.760 --> 01:54:32.760
answer is going to be no.

01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:36.296
In that case, perhaps um staff could

01:54:36.320 --> 01:54:38.296
take it on notice because I did ask for

01:54:38.320 --> 01:54:41.175
an update on the pipeline project to be

01:54:41.199 --> 01:54:43.575
presented at the last meeting of council

01:54:43.599 --> 01:54:46.536
which will be held in Bangor.

01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:48.456
Thank you. Is there further discussion?

01:54:48.480 --> 01:54:49.896
I'd make a brief comment. People want to

01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:52.456
act from ACT don't want to live in urban

01:54:52.480 --> 01:54:54.936
infill and AC. love for them to move to

01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:56.456
places like Bangador and Google and now

01:54:56.480 --> 01:54:58.776
our council area. Is there any further

01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:01.256
discussion? This councilors if not we'll

01:55:01.280 --> 01:55:03.655
put the motion. All in favor is

01:55:03.679 --> 01:55:05.175
councelor Broadbent, councelor Grundy,

01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:06.536
councelor Livermore, councelor Preston,

01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:07.575
councelor Tascoski, councelor

01:55:07.599 --> 01:55:09.016
Waterhouse, councelor Winchester and

01:55:09.040 --> 01:55:11.256
against councelor Willis. I declare it

01:55:11.280 --> 01:55:13.575
carried. The next item is the planning

01:55:13.599 --> 01:55:15.816
proposal minimum subdivision lot sizes

01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:17.736
for certain split zones. Do we have a

01:55:17.760 --> 01:55:19.575
mover councilors?

01:55:19.599 --> 01:55:21.016
Councelor Taskcowski and secondly

01:55:21.040 --> 01:55:22.456
councelor Grundy. Is there discussion on

01:55:22.480 --> 01:55:24.776
this item? If not, we'll put the motion.

01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:27.496
All in favor, unanimous and carried. We

01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:30.520
dealt with 9.5 and 9.6.

01:55:30.639 --> 01:55:33.256
9.7 is the annual report and financial

01:55:33.280 --> 01:55:36.135
statements 2024 2025. Is this when we're

01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:37.896
having a presentation from the CFO? Is

01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:39.496
that the next item?

01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:41.496
Note, there's a recommendation change.

01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.496
Okay. So, there's a recommendation

01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:46.520
change. Councilors,

01:55:46.880 --> 01:55:48.215
I might get someone who can see the

01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:50.056
screen to read that out for me for those

01:55:50.080 --> 01:55:52.776
following at home. Deputy May Livermore.

01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:54.376
Um, annual report and financial

01:55:54.400 --> 01:55:57.400
statements 2025 to 2020  2024 to 2025.

01:55:58.560 --> 01:56:00.456
Recommendation is that council one

01:56:00.480 --> 01:56:03.480
receive the 2024 2025 audited financial

01:56:04.320 --> 01:56:06.856
statements and auditors report. Two,

01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:08.776
note that the audited financial

01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:11.655
statements include an unmodified opinion

01:56:11.679 --> 01:56:14.679
from the New South Wales audit office.

01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:17.800
Thanks. Do we have a mover councilors?

01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:20.456
Yep. Councelor Willis. Secondly,

01:56:20.480 --> 01:56:23.480
Councelor Taskcowski. Councelor Willis.

01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:26.520
, thank you, , Mayor. I did have a

01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:29.800
number of questions, , I'm not sure if

01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:31.816
this, which I sent to the staff. Have

01:56:31.840 --> 01:56:34.840
they had an opportunity, , to consider

01:56:34.880 --> 01:56:36.615
those?

01:56:36.639 --> 01:56:37.655
Um,

01:56:37.679 --> 01:56:39.016
you're going to have to read them out so

01:56:39.040 --> 01:56:40.536
councils are aware what your questions

01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:40.936
are.

01:56:40.960 --> 01:56:43.960
Yep. So the um the net operating result

01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:47.880
for 2425 was $44.1 million surplus

01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:51.880
reducing to $4.3 million deficit when

01:56:52.159 --> 01:56:54.135
capital grants and contributions are ex

01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:55.896
are excluded. So I'm just wondering

01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:58.920
what's where's the big variation there.

01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:00.695
That's not a question you have. Maybe

01:57:00.719 --> 01:57:02.936
it's a note I made for myself. I have to

01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.960
find my questions.

01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:09.416
I have to open my email. Council will

01:57:09.440 --> 01:57:10.936
just is this the list of question you've

01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:12.215
sent out that staff have already

01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:13.575
responded to or is this a different

01:57:13.599 --> 01:57:14.296
question?

01:57:14.320 --> 01:57:15.816
I don't think they've responded to the

01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:18.695
you have responded to these ones. No,

01:57:18.719 --> 01:57:21.655
you've responded to 9.8 questions but

01:57:21.679 --> 01:57:24.679
not but not 9.7. We're on 9.7. Yeah, I

01:57:25.840 --> 01:57:27.095
just don't have the questions in front

01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:28.936
of me. They're on an email. I just I'll

01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:30.776
have to look for them. Maybe someone

01:57:30.800 --> 01:57:32.936
else would like to speak first and I'll

01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:35.016
reserve my Can I the mover reserve the

01:57:35.040 --> 01:57:38.040
right to speak? Yes. Thank you.

01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:41.095
CFO

01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:43.416
through you Mr. Mayor.  yes I have

01:57:43.440 --> 01:57:45.416
received a number of questions from

01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:48.440
councelor. Um so the change in the net

01:57:48.639 --> 01:57:51.639
operating result from one year to the

01:57:51.679 --> 01:57:54.679
next year is primarily  driven by the

01:57:55.360 --> 01:57:57.256
decline in the grants and contributions

01:57:57.280 --> 01:58:00.280
for capital purposes. What has happened

01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:03.560
between 23 24 and 2425

01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:06.840
is a significant drop in developer

01:58:09.040 --> 01:58:12.040
provided gifted assets. The value of

01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:15.016
these assets actually form part of the

01:58:15.040 --> 01:58:17.336
grants and contributions income on the

01:58:17.360 --> 01:58:18.936
income statement and impact the

01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:21.960
operating result. In 2023 24 we received

01:58:23.119 --> 01:58:26.119
$83 million worth of gifted assets. In

01:58:26.719 --> 01:58:29.719
2425 it was approximately 13 million.

01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:36.056
Councelor Willis.

01:58:36.080 --> 01:58:37.896
Yes. I'm still looking for

01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:39.896
I'll reserve because I need to find my

01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:42.376
question. I apologize but the size of

01:58:42.400 --> 01:58:43.256
the business paper was

01:58:43.280 --> 01:58:46.135
900. We understand council broadband. If

01:58:46.159 --> 01:58:47.976
I may ask a question just on that result

01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:51.000
when we take just just humor me while

01:58:51.360 --> 01:58:54.360
council is having a having a look um for

01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:57.976
so when we accept those assets we take

01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:00.296
them as income do we take the costs of

01:59:00.320 --> 01:59:03.095
operating and the liability aspects of

01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:06.056
those received goods or received assets

01:59:06.080 --> 01:59:07.736
as well if that makes sense the

01:59:07.760 --> 01:59:10.536
liability let's say

01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:13.095
 through you Mr. Mayor um we accept

01:59:13.119 --> 01:59:16.119
the gifted assets as income. What we

01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:19.239
don't accept from a developer is ongoing

01:59:20.239 --> 01:59:23.095
operational costs. So council needs to

01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:26.119
factor those costs into our ongoing and

01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:29.416
future  operational budgets. So what

01:59:29.440 --> 01:59:32.215
we attempt to do is to understand when

01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:34.695
these gifted assets are going to be

01:59:34.719 --> 01:59:36.936
handed over to council so we can build

01:59:36.960 --> 01:59:39.960
that into our long-term financial plan.

01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:42.536
That's  that's interesting and unique.

01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:45.175
Um surprise makes sense because you're

01:59:45.199 --> 01:59:48.199
receiving an asset, but it's weird um

01:59:48.320 --> 01:59:50.296
for an operating result. I guess I get

01:59:50.320 --> 01:59:51.655
Yeah, it's odd when you're just putting

01:59:51.679 --> 01:59:54.376
into the pool. Um is that the standard

01:59:54.400 --> 01:59:55.816
way of putting that goes into the

01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:57.976
operating result for most councils for

01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.296
gifted assets or do they have a do they

02:00:00.320 --> 02:00:01.816
separate it out?

02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:03.256
 that's as per the accounting

02:00:03.280 --> 02:00:05.496
standards. So when we receive those

02:00:05.520 --> 02:00:07.655
assets, there's two ways we can receive

02:00:07.679 --> 02:00:10.215
developer contributions. One is via cash

02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:13.239
and one is via gifted assets. So rather

02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:15.736
than giving us the cash, they will

02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:17.256
develop the asset and hand it to

02:00:17.280 --> 02:00:20.280
council. So we consider those both as

02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:23.575
revenue. What we don't consider them and

02:00:23.599 --> 02:00:25.736
where you won't see them is on the cash

02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:28.056
flow statement. I would love to have a

02:00:28.080 --> 02:00:31.080
line in all future budgets if possible

02:00:31.280 --> 02:00:33.256
if if of net operating result before

02:00:33.280 --> 02:00:34.856
grants contributions and then net

02:00:34.880 --> 02:00:37.880
operating vault before gifted assets and

02:00:38.639 --> 02:00:40.936
grants and contributions because that's

02:00:40.960 --> 02:00:42.296
um because that's an interesting thing

02:00:42.320 --> 02:00:44.215
if it moves us around that much every

02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:45.976
year in terms of comparing years becomes

02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.215
all of a sudden yeah quite complicated

02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:50.936
but yeah interesting. Thank you

02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:52.056
Ker Willis.

02:00:52.080 --> 02:00:54.376
Yes, thank you.  thanks to the staff

02:00:54.400 --> 02:00:57.400
for finding my email. Um, why did the

02:00:57.520 --> 02:00:59.896
New South Wales  audit office charge

02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:02.920
almost double the fee as it did in 24?

02:01:05.760 --> 02:01:08.135
Through you, Mr. Mayor. Um, when the

02:01:08.159 --> 02:01:11.159
auditors are undertaking their audit or

02:01:11.760 --> 02:01:14.536
financial audit for the year, there will

02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:17.016
be three audits undertaken. We have a

02:01:17.040 --> 02:01:18.936
planning audit, an interim audit, and a

02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:21.960
final year audit. The timing of those

02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:25.159
audits can impact which financial year

02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:28.840
those costs are incurred. In 2324,

02:01:30.080 --> 02:01:33.080
we had our interim audit actually occur

02:01:33.679 --> 02:01:36.679
in July of 2425. So those costs were

02:01:38.639 --> 02:01:41.639
shown in that financial year um because

02:01:42.080 --> 02:01:45.080
that's when the work was done.

02:01:45.679 --> 02:01:47.736
Thank you. So essentially it's to do

02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:50.760
with the billing schedule. Um can you

02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:52.695
explain the table of comprehensive

02:01:52.719 --> 02:01:55.175
income? The net operating result for for

02:01:55.199 --> 02:01:58.199
financial year 25 is almost 2/3 lower

02:01:58.639 --> 02:02:01.639
than for financial year 24.

02:02:03.040 --> 02:02:05.655
 through you Mr. Mayor. I would just

02:02:05.679 --> 02:02:08.056
preface this  response by saying that

02:02:08.080 --> 02:02:10.695
a number of these questions are going to

02:02:10.719 --> 02:02:13.719
be answered by the same response. The

02:02:14.159 --> 02:02:17.159
impact of the gifted assets in 2425

02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:22.376
impacted the operating result. So that

02:02:22.400 --> 02:02:25.175
has impacted the operating result the

02:02:25.199 --> 02:02:27.496
grants and contributions received and

02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:30.520
that has shown the big change between 24

02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:33.880
23 24 and 2425. So that will be the the

02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:37.880
response for a lot of the questions that

02:02:38.000 --> 02:02:41.000
have been  raised. Thank you. Does M.

02:02:41.520 --> 02:02:44.056
Miller have any insight as to why that

02:02:44.080 --> 02:02:47.080
was such a large for I mean was the high

02:02:47.599 --> 02:02:50.376
year an unus an unusual year? Was it an

02:02:50.400 --> 02:02:53.336
outlier? Um

02:02:53.360 --> 02:02:55.496
so through you Mr. Mayor um we're an

02:02:55.520 --> 02:02:57.175
authority that's got two really large

02:02:57.199 --> 02:02:59.175
Greenfield land releases and I think

02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:02.199
that the timing of Gooong and Charlie um

02:03:02.480 --> 02:03:04.856
and you know the um works in kind and

02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:07.336
gifted assets is what it's connected to.

02:03:07.360 --> 02:03:09.976
Um, and in terms of the work that the

02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:12.936
CFO does with our area, um, you know,

02:03:12.960 --> 02:03:15.416
she's works with our offices to try and

02:03:15.440 --> 02:03:18.376
forecast and map that out. And maybe

02:03:18.400 --> 02:03:21.256
we'll be able to be more informed on

02:03:21.280 --> 02:03:24.135
that than maybe maybe previously that

02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:27.159
might not have been mapped out so well,

02:03:27.440 --> 02:03:29.016
I would suggest.

02:03:29.040 --> 02:03:32.040
Thank you. Um

02:03:32.639 --> 02:03:34.695
the statement of financial position

02:03:34.719 --> 02:03:37.016
non-current assets has an investment

02:03:37.040 --> 02:03:38.536
property

02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:41.560
um listing.  there was no value in

02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:44.536
financial year 24. So has the council

02:03:44.560 --> 02:03:47.256
acquired an investment property?

02:03:47.280 --> 02:03:50.280
 through you Mr. Mayor. Um essentially

02:03:50.800 --> 02:03:53.800
it is a change in the way we have

02:03:54.159 --> 02:03:57.016
classified one of our building assets.

02:03:57.040 --> 02:03:59.655
It will be the Nelly Hamilton Center. So

02:03:59.679 --> 02:04:02.679
once that when that was first 

02:04:02.719 --> 02:04:05.256
constructed and became a council asset,

02:04:05.280 --> 02:04:07.575
it was used as primarily council's

02:04:07.599 --> 02:04:10.296
administration building. Once the use

02:04:10.320 --> 02:04:12.776
had changed and we received tenants into

02:04:12.800 --> 02:04:15.800
the building, we now classify part of

02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:18.920
this building as an investment property.

02:04:19.040 --> 02:04:22.040
So it has moved part of that value out

02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:26.199
of  a building asset and is now

02:04:26.320 --> 02:04:29.320
showing it as an investment property.

02:04:29.360 --> 02:04:31.575
Thank you. Um financial performance

02:04:31.599 --> 02:04:34.599
B1.1. Why is this a significant drop

02:04:35.040 --> 02:04:37.416
across four of the five um council

02:04:37.440 --> 02:04:40.440
functions and activities? It's um 40,000

02:04:41.440 --> 02:04:43.736
about 40,000

02:04:43.760 --> 02:04:46.760
 dollars on  240 243,000

02:04:50.080 --> 02:04:53.080
um dollar result in 24. So as a

02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:56.456
proportion that's a reasonable amount of

02:04:56.480 --> 02:04:58.695
money

02:04:58.719 --> 02:05:01.416
through you Mr. Mayor. Um as I was

02:05:01.440 --> 02:05:03.655
mentioning previously this  the

02:05:03.679 --> 02:05:05.896
response to this question is similar to

02:05:05.920 --> 02:05:08.456
previous responses. The revenue

02:05:08.480 --> 02:05:10.776
recognized from one year to the next has

02:05:10.800 --> 02:05:13.800
been severely  significantly different

02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:17.560
because of the gifted assets.

02:05:18.560 --> 02:05:21.560
 thank you. Um

02:05:21.760 --> 02:05:24.760
item G410

02:05:25.599 --> 02:05:27.976
 developer contributions. There's a

02:05:28.000 --> 02:05:30.296
line for other other developer

02:05:30.320 --> 02:05:32.695
contributions worth 13 million. What

02:05:32.719 --> 02:05:35.719
does other the other category cover

02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:40.520
through you Mr. Mayor?  note G4 in the

02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:44.135
financial statements  outlines the

02:05:44.159 --> 02:05:46.615
developer contributions that council has

02:05:46.639 --> 02:05:49.639
received. The um initial statement gives

02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:54.199
you a summary of all of the plans. If

02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:57.175
you drill down a bit further into that

02:05:57.199 --> 02:06:00.199
note, um we'll be able to see that that

02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:03.880
other amount is for the Gong offsite and

02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:07.800
extractive industries.

02:06:08.159 --> 02:06:10.135
Sorry, could you repeat what it's for?

02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:13.159
It's for the Gong Extractive Industries.

02:06:14.719 --> 02:06:17.719
What's that?

02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:19.976
That would be a heavy holage developer

02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:21.416
contribution.

02:06:21.440 --> 02:06:24.376
, thank you.

02:06:24.400 --> 02:06:26.695
The special purpose accounts, why is the

02:06:26.719 --> 02:06:29.719
water use user charge revenue almost 3

02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:32.536
million lower than in um financial year

02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:35.560
24? I mean, we've got growth, so

02:06:37.360 --> 02:06:40.360
Um, excuse me. Through you, Mr. Mayor.

02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:43.960
We report  movements and performance

02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:47.175
throughout the year on  line items

02:06:47.199 --> 02:06:49.095
within the income statement through our

02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:51.256
quarterly budget reviews. What we've

02:06:51.280 --> 02:06:54.280
noticed with the water usage charges is

02:06:54.320 --> 02:06:57.320
that by moving more regularly to um

02:06:59.119 --> 02:07:02.055
monthly cycles, monthly billing cycles,

02:07:02.079 --> 02:07:04.776
we are not acrewing as much as we have

02:07:04.800 --> 02:07:07.095
in the past. So we're regularly

02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:10.119
reporting and recognizing that revenue

02:07:10.800 --> 02:07:13.800
as it occurs. So that

02:07:14.639 --> 02:07:16.776
regular update

02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:19.336
has reduced the amount of recrual

02:07:19.360 --> 02:07:22.360
acrrual that was required in 2024.

02:07:25.360 --> 02:07:28.215
 thank you. The surplus  after tax

02:07:28.239 --> 02:07:31.239
dropped from 17.9 million to 1.1

02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:35.000
million. Is that is that a similar 

02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:38.936
outcome of an account an accounting

02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:39.976
approach?

02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:42.456
Yes.  that has been impacted by the

02:07:42.480 --> 02:07:43.896
develop the gifted developer

02:07:43.920 --> 02:07:46.920
contributions in that area.

02:07:46.960 --> 02:07:48.695
Thank you. And I'm assuming then that's

02:07:48.719 --> 02:07:51.175
the same for my questions about total

02:07:51.199 --> 02:07:54.199
revenue from sewage services and surplus

02:07:54.320 --> 02:07:55.655
after tax.

02:07:55.679 --> 02:07:57.016
That is correct.

02:07:57.040 --> 02:07:59.256
Thanks. Special schedule permissible

02:07:59.280 --> 02:08:01.655
income for general rates. What does this

02:08:01.679 --> 02:08:03.655
schedule mean?

02:08:03.679 --> 02:08:05.976
So this schedule shows the maximum

02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:07.816
amount of income that the council can

02:08:07.840 --> 02:08:10.456
generate from general rates each year.

02:08:10.480 --> 02:08:13.016
the national and this national general

02:08:13.040 --> 02:08:15.496
income won't reconcile entirely with the

02:08:15.520 --> 02:08:18.520
rate income um because there's acrruels

02:08:19.040 --> 02:08:22.040
that we include in that and um

02:08:23.440 --> 02:08:25.976
so that's we include the acrruals in the

02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:27.976
financial statements but on the notional

02:08:28.000 --> 02:08:31.000
income it just  shows how much general

02:08:31.280 --> 02:08:33.736
revenue general rates revenue the

02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:36.055
council can raise.

02:08:36.079 --> 02:08:38.376
 thank you. Um what's the purpose of

02:08:38.400 --> 02:08:40.936
the infrastructure assets report? It it

02:08:40.960 --> 02:08:43.095
says that the required maintenance and

02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:44.936
the actual maintenance are vastly

02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:47.736
different. In other words, we're vastly

02:08:47.760 --> 02:08:49.976
 underperforming when it comes to

02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:52.215
maintenance, but we're doing we're doing

02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:53.655
lots of capital work. So I didn't

02:08:53.679 --> 02:08:56.679
understand that.

02:08:56.960 --> 02:08:59.960
So the infrastructure assets report as

02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:03.079
it says it's specifically  identifying

02:09:03.679 --> 02:09:06.679
the maintenance the capital works

02:09:06.800 --> 02:09:08.856
program that we undertake doesn't

02:09:08.880 --> 02:09:11.256
include any maintenance that we in 

02:09:11.280 --> 02:09:14.280
that we undertake on council's assets.

02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:17.800
So through our asset management plans we

02:09:18.480 --> 02:09:20.936
we ha we identify the level of

02:09:20.960 --> 02:09:23.095
maintenance that's required and that

02:09:23.119 --> 02:09:25.575
will change depending on exactly how

02:09:25.599 --> 02:09:28.599
much capital works renewal has been done

02:09:29.119 --> 02:09:32.119
and new assets coming on board. So every

02:09:32.480 --> 02:09:35.416
year we have to reassess the required

02:09:35.440 --> 02:09:38.440
maintenance depending on the condition

02:09:38.639 --> 02:09:41.639
of the asset and the actual maintenance

02:09:42.320 --> 02:09:45.016
that we do undertake each year.

02:09:45.040 --> 02:09:47.496
Thank you. Do if we're spending a lot of

02:09:47.520 --> 02:09:50.520
money um on new capital works  but

02:09:51.119 --> 02:09:52.376
we're not keeping up with asset

02:09:52.400 --> 02:09:53.896
maintenance, do we have a looming

02:09:53.920 --> 02:09:56.920
problem?

02:09:57.360 --> 02:09:59.736
I wouldn't reference reference it as a

02:09:59.760 --> 02:10:01.575
looming problem, but it is something

02:10:01.599 --> 02:10:03.655
definitely that we include in the

02:10:03.679 --> 02:10:06.215
long-term financial plan. When we

02:10:06.239 --> 02:10:09.239
identify new assets coming in through

02:10:09.440 --> 02:10:11.896
the capital works program, we do factor

02:10:11.920 --> 02:10:14.296
in the maintenance costs associated with

02:10:14.320 --> 02:10:16.536
those. So, they are built into the

02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:19.016
long-term financial plan.

02:10:19.040 --> 02:10:20.936
Thank you. And one last question. Why

02:10:20.960 --> 02:10:22.856
has council's infrastructure backlog

02:10:22.880 --> 02:10:25.816
ratio deteriorated given the size of the

02:10:25.840 --> 02:10:28.840
capital works program?

02:10:29.360 --> 02:10:32.360
Um through you, Mr. Mayor. Um the ratio

02:10:32.639 --> 02:10:35.639
as at 30 June 2025 in the financial

02:10:36.239 --> 02:10:38.215
statements is currently sitting at about

02:10:38.239 --> 02:10:40.456
1.4%.

02:10:40.480 --> 02:10:43.416
This is actually below the benchmark of

02:10:43.440 --> 02:10:46.440
2%. It has increased slightly on

02:10:47.119 --> 02:10:50.119
previous years but this is once again it

02:10:50.719 --> 02:10:53.719
fluctuates depending on the level of 

02:10:55.119 --> 02:10:57.336
capital works that has been undertaken

02:10:57.360 --> 02:11:00.360
and the renewal works and new works. So

02:11:00.480 --> 02:11:03.336
that that will be a fluctuating result.

02:11:03.360 --> 02:11:05.416
 but we do keep an eye on that and

02:11:05.440 --> 02:11:07.256
right now we are under benchmark and

02:11:07.280 --> 02:11:09.575
we're  forecasting to stay under

02:11:09.599 --> 02:11:11.175
benchmark.

02:11:11.199 --> 02:11:13.655
So is there any any corrective action

02:11:13.679 --> 02:11:16.679
that the council needs to take?

02:11:19.679 --> 02:11:22.679
 yes councelor that um with the de

02:11:23.119 --> 02:11:25.256
redevelopment of council's asset

02:11:25.280 --> 02:11:28.055
management plans  we will be factoring

02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:30.856
in  a lot more of the capital works

02:11:30.880 --> 02:11:32.856
that needs to be undertaken and ensuring

02:11:32.880 --> 02:11:35.256
that we've got a good program of

02:11:35.280 --> 02:11:38.280
condition assessments but as I've said

02:11:38.320 --> 02:11:41.095
 being under benchmark is quite a good

02:11:41.119 --> 02:11:42.695
position to be.

02:11:42.719 --> 02:11:43.976
Thank you.

02:11:44.000 --> 02:11:45.336
Is there further discussion councelor

02:11:45.360 --> 02:11:48.360
broadband? So, I'm so sorry to  the

02:11:48.719 --> 02:11:50.135
CFO for making this feel a little bit

02:11:50.159 --> 02:11:51.816
like Senate estimates. I have no idea

02:11:51.840 --> 02:11:53.016
what that's like because I'm not one of

02:11:53.040 --> 02:11:54.936
the one of the staffers in the room, but

02:11:54.960 --> 02:11:57.960
I'm sure it's not fun. Um I have one

02:11:58.719 --> 02:12:01.719
more question um through you, Mr. Mayor.

02:12:02.239 --> 02:12:05.016
um you I recall um you've you've

02:12:05.040 --> 02:12:07.816
mentioned tonight a few times that the

02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:10.376
the reason for our off operating result

02:12:10.400 --> 02:12:13.175
um being substantially less relates to

02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:16.055
the changes in assets. Um but if I look

02:12:16.079 --> 02:12:17.575
at the statement of financial position

02:12:17.599 --> 02:12:20.456
for last year versus this year there's

02:12:20.480 --> 02:12:23.480
nearly no change in the  assets  in

02:12:24.239 --> 02:12:25.496
the current assets and also the

02:12:25.520 --> 02:12:27.655
non-current assets.

02:12:27.679 --> 02:12:29.976
So, so can you make that can you explain

02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:31.976
that to me how that would be then the

02:12:32.000 --> 02:12:33.816
driver if we're receiving gifted assets

02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:35.256
as income why are they not on the

02:12:35.280 --> 02:12:38.280
current or non-current assets register

02:12:38.800 --> 02:12:41.095
or balance if that makes sense

02:12:41.119 --> 02:12:42.536
 through you Mr.

02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:45.416
There is a lot of transactions that

02:12:45.440 --> 02:12:48.440
impact our assets through a year. We may

02:12:48.719 --> 02:12:51.719
receive um for example in 2324 we

02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:55.416
received approximately $83 million worth

02:12:55.440 --> 02:12:58.440
of gifted assets. What also happened was

02:12:58.480 --> 02:13:01.175
we've had revaluations and we've had

02:13:01.199 --> 02:13:04.199
disposals. So the impact of the

02:13:04.960 --> 02:13:06.536
revaluations

02:13:06.560 --> 02:13:09.560
will impact the value of the IP assets

02:13:12.320 --> 02:13:15.320
um and so will disposals. So there's a

02:13:15.760 --> 02:13:18.055
lot of ins and outs and it's it's not

02:13:18.079 --> 02:13:20.456
just one particular item or one

02:13:20.480 --> 02:13:23.095
particular transaction that's impacting

02:13:23.119 --> 02:13:24.936
those changes.

02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:27.960
Cool. Um all right

02:13:28.719 --> 02:13:31.016
councilors council waterhouse.

02:13:31.040 --> 02:13:34.040
Yes. Thanks Mr. Mayor, um I've been at a

02:13:35.119 --> 02:13:36.936
conference for 3 days and didn't give

02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:38.856
this as much attention as I was I was

02:13:38.880 --> 02:13:41.336
really wanting to, but I was expecting

02:13:41.360 --> 02:13:44.360
to see a report in here of  the

02:13:45.280 --> 02:13:48.280
improvements that we've made  with the

02:13:48.560 --> 02:13:51.095
rate rise. One of the reasons this was

02:13:51.119 --> 02:13:53.175
delayed a couple of months back was

02:13:53.199 --> 02:13:55.336
because we hadn't created this report

02:13:55.360 --> 02:13:58.360
that we're supposed to report on um that

02:13:58.719 --> 02:14:00.296
we're supposed to be able to explain to

02:14:00.320 --> 02:14:03.320
the public what's what what benefit has

02:14:03.520 --> 02:14:06.520
arisen from the rate rise and and I was

02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:08.536
sort of expecting that to be in here.

02:14:08.560 --> 02:14:11.175
I'm unable to find it. Is that a

02:14:11.199 --> 02:14:13.175
separate report or is it embedded in

02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:16.199
here that I've got to somehow extract?

02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:19.560
Um we we were we were this issue was

02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:21.976
raised by a member of the public

02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:22.776
in this meeting.

02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:23.976
The staff are about to answer your

02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:25.175
question councelor.

02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:27.256
Miss Monahan.

02:14:27.280 --> 02:14:30.280
Um through you may um yes thank you. Um

02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:34.520
um thank you councelor. Um the annual

02:14:34.639 --> 02:14:36.215
report is a separate report. It was

02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:38.776
meant to have been included in this pack

02:14:38.800 --> 02:14:41.016
and is um has not made it to this

02:14:41.040 --> 02:14:42.536
council meeting. So will be deferred to

02:14:42.560 --> 02:14:44.376
the December council meeting. You will

02:14:44.400 --> 02:14:46.456
have time to look at it. Um yes that

02:14:46.480 --> 02:14:49.480
work has been done. You um 2425 you'll

02:14:50.719 --> 02:14:53.016
recall was the second year of a

02:14:53.040 --> 02:14:56.040
three-year rates variation process. That

02:14:56.079 --> 02:14:59.079
means that um council um has not got to

02:15:00.719 --> 02:15:02.376
the point of having the income it needed

02:15:02.400 --> 02:15:03.655
to be able to do all the things that it

02:15:03.679 --> 02:15:06.296
wanted to do. Um but yes, we will be

02:15:06.320 --> 02:15:09.320
reporting um as required on the 

02:15:09.760 --> 02:15:11.976
improvements that um have been put into

02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:14.936
place that was required with the SRV.

02:15:14.960 --> 02:15:16.856
Thank you. Was it reported the first

02:15:16.880 --> 02:15:19.880
year or are we now reporting on the the

02:15:20.239 --> 02:15:23.239
first two years of the rate rise?

02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:26.135
Um through your mayor, we have already

02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:27.655
reported to council in the first year.

02:15:27.679 --> 02:15:30.679
We're now reporting on the second year.

02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:32.296
Is there further discussion on this item

02:15:32.320 --> 02:15:33.736
councilors? If not, we'll put the

02:15:33.760 --> 02:15:36.055
motion. All those in favor

02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:38.936
that is unanimous and carried. Item 9.8

02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:41.960
is the 202526 first quarter budget

02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:44.296
review statement. And I believe we're

02:15:44.320 --> 02:15:45.896
going to have a presentation from the

02:15:45.920 --> 02:15:46.776
CFO.

02:15:46.800 --> 02:15:48.376
Quick presentation.

02:15:48.400 --> 02:15:50.055
Quick presentation according to the

02:15:50.079 --> 02:15:52.215
general manager because we still have 20

02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:53.655
more items to get through tonight.

02:15:53.679 --> 02:15:56.679
Councils before 9:30.

02:16:14.159 --> 02:16:16.536
 thank you councilors.  I will be

02:16:16.560 --> 02:16:19.560
presenting a very brief overview of the

02:16:19.840 --> 02:16:21.655
first quarter budget review which will

02:16:21.679 --> 02:16:24.615
support the council report at the agenda

02:16:24.639 --> 02:16:27.639
item 9.6 9.8 sorry.

02:16:30.000 --> 02:16:33.000
So this is the first quarter of the QBRS

02:16:33.760 --> 02:16:36.056
quarter budget review statement format

02:16:36.080 --> 02:16:38.455
under the new office of local government

02:16:38.479 --> 02:16:41.479
format. So the report that you will see

02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:43.976
um attached to the council report

02:16:44.000 --> 02:16:46.535
includes a document that assists with

02:16:46.559 --> 02:16:48.455
understanding how to read the new

02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:51.479
format. One of the main changes is there

02:16:51.920 --> 02:16:54.920
is a financial overview report which

02:16:56.319 --> 02:16:59.319
picks up um all of the

02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:03.399
um final information from each of the

02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:06.920
various reports throughout the quarterly

02:17:07.840 --> 02:17:09.976
budget review statement. and just brings

02:17:10.000 --> 02:17:12.856
it into one snapshot right at the start

02:17:12.880 --> 02:17:15.880
of the report.

02:17:18.639 --> 02:17:21.415
So right now we're looking at a at

02:17:21.439 --> 02:17:23.495
maintaining a very strong unrestricted

02:17:23.519 --> 02:17:26.519
cash position as at the end of quarter 1

02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:29.559
with forecasting  a unrestricted cash

02:17:30.719 --> 02:17:33.719
position as at 30 June 2026 of

02:17:34.000 --> 02:17:37.000
approximately 9.9 million and that is

02:17:37.120 --> 02:17:40.120
after the proposed budget adjustments

02:17:40.800 --> 02:17:43.335
as you will see through reports that are

02:17:43.359 --> 02:17:45.016
prepared and presented to council

02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:47.176
throughout the The unrestricted cash

02:17:47.200 --> 02:17:50.200
does fluctuate throughout the year and

02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:52.216
this is because of the timing between

02:17:52.240 --> 02:17:54.776
cash flows of when funds are received

02:17:54.800 --> 02:17:56.856
and when the delivery and operational

02:17:56.880 --> 02:17:59.096
plan is delivered.

02:17:59.120 --> 02:18:01.575
So what we have seen in this report you

02:18:01.599 --> 02:18:03.176
will see there are savings that have

02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:05.415
been identified that has enabled

02:18:05.439 --> 02:18:07.256
council's decision to support the

02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:10.280
Braidwood Heritage Center project.

02:18:17.840 --> 02:18:20.776
This table is just a very quick snapshot

02:18:20.800 --> 02:18:23.800
of the  net operating result for each

02:18:24.399 --> 02:18:27.335
of the funds. What you will see is the

02:18:27.359 --> 02:18:30.136
movements through the general fund, the

02:18:30.160 --> 02:18:32.535
waste fund, the water and the sewer and

02:18:32.559 --> 02:18:35.559
from a consolidated position. And with

02:18:35.599 --> 02:18:38.216
the proposed budget adjustments, we are

02:18:38.240 --> 02:18:41.240
forecasting to remain within a surplus

02:18:42.080 --> 02:18:45.080
budget. Um, however, it has declined

02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:48.760
slightly.

02:18:54.319 --> 02:18:57.319
What you will see in the council report

02:18:57.519 --> 02:19:00.519
is the capital works program. So as at

02:19:00.639 --> 02:19:02.695
the end of the first quarter 30

02:19:02.719 --> 02:19:05.256
September 2025

02:19:05.280 --> 02:19:07.415
 we have delivered approximately $10

02:19:07.439 --> 02:19:10.439
million of capital works. $9 million of

02:19:11.359 --> 02:19:14.359
that is on capital renewal. So when we

02:19:15.439 --> 02:19:17.335
set the original budget council was

02:19:17.359 --> 02:19:20.056
aiming to achieve 130% of the capital

02:19:20.080 --> 02:19:22.695
renewal ratio. Right now we're sitting

02:19:22.719 --> 02:19:25.655
at approximately 63%

02:19:25.679 --> 02:19:27.976
but as I said we're only one quarter

02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:30.535
through the year.

02:19:30.559 --> 02:19:32.776
The budget changes that are reflected in

02:19:32.800 --> 02:19:35.800
this report  include such things as

02:19:36.719 --> 02:19:39.016
new grants that have been received with

02:19:39.040 --> 02:19:40.856
the corresponding

02:19:40.880 --> 02:19:42.856
expenditure. You will see them

02:19:42.880 --> 02:19:45.575
throughout the report.

02:19:45.599 --> 02:19:47.816
So when we look at the delivery of the

02:19:47.840 --> 02:19:50.840
capital works program, it it doesn't get

02:19:51.120 --> 02:19:53.096
delivered on a linear basis throughout

02:19:53.120 --> 02:19:56.120
the year. It fluctuates depending on

02:19:56.319 --> 02:19:59.319
when the work

02:20:00.080 --> 02:20:02.136
Oops.

02:20:02.160 --> 02:20:05.160
I've been timed out.

02:20:05.359 --> 02:20:08.359
Um, so the capital works program is not

02:20:09.520 --> 02:20:12.520
delivered  sequentially and orderly

02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:15.096
throughout the year. It is delivered

02:20:15.120 --> 02:20:18.120
based on the timelines that um the

02:20:18.319 --> 02:20:20.375
capital works

02:20:20.399 --> 02:20:22.776
staff and contractors can deliver that

02:20:22.800 --> 02:20:24.295
work.

02:20:24.319 --> 02:20:27.319
So within the total current budget,

02:20:27.840 --> 02:20:30.375
there's a capital works program budget

02:20:30.399 --> 02:20:33.399
of $193 million. It's important to note

02:20:34.479 --> 02:20:37.479
though that $27 million worth of that

02:20:37.760 --> 02:20:40.760
works is those developer gifted assets.

02:20:41.359 --> 02:20:44.136
So we have been working with  Ruth's

02:20:44.160 --> 02:20:47.160
team in trying to identify the level of

02:20:47.600 --> 02:20:49.816
gifted assets that we will be receiving

02:20:49.840 --> 02:20:51.496
in this financial year and we are

02:20:51.520 --> 02:20:54.520
factoring them into the budgets.

02:21:00.240 --> 02:21:02.616
So the quarterly budget review 

02:21:02.640 --> 02:21:05.576
statement we have continued to include

02:21:05.600 --> 02:21:07.736
details on council's liabilities

02:21:07.760 --> 02:21:09.736
including the borrowings. So loan

02:21:09.760 --> 02:21:12.760
liability as at 30 September 2025 is

02:21:14.640 --> 02:21:17.496
about the $135 million.

02:21:17.520 --> 02:21:19.976
This current budget also includes

02:21:20.000 --> 02:21:22.776
proposed loan borrowings for the Manaro

02:21:22.800 --> 02:21:25.176
Street upgrade project and the Queen

02:21:25.200 --> 02:21:28.200
bean to Bangor bulk water pipeline.

02:21:28.319 --> 02:21:30.295
Council will be receiving a further

02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:32.056
report

02:21:32.080 --> 02:21:35.080
in due course  regarding the um the

02:21:36.240 --> 02:21:39.240
loan borrowings or the resolution to

02:21:40.080 --> 02:21:42.856
seek those loan borrowings. That report

02:21:42.880 --> 02:21:45.816
will include details along the lines of

02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:48.136
exactly how much is required for those

02:21:48.160 --> 02:21:49.656
projects.

02:21:49.680 --> 02:21:52.680
 what interest rates are relevant at

02:21:52.800 --> 02:21:55.800
the time and  the timing of when those

02:21:57.680 --> 02:22:00.056
loans may be drawn down. So that will be

02:22:00.080 --> 02:22:03.080
a further report coming to council.

02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:06.056
What we're also  monitoring on a

02:22:06.080 --> 02:22:08.136
monthly basis and part of end of month

02:22:08.160 --> 02:22:10.536
processes is the bonds and deposits and

02:22:10.560 --> 02:22:13.415
retentions that council holds. So

02:22:13.439 --> 02:22:15.576
currently as at the end of September,

02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:18.600
we're holding $3.4 4 million in bonds in

02:22:19.520 --> 02:22:21.816
our bond register.

02:22:21.840 --> 02:22:24.295
You will see in one of the statements in

02:22:24.319 --> 02:22:27.016
the quarterly budget review that we are

02:22:27.040 --> 02:22:30.040
now holding sufficient funds in reserve

02:22:30.080 --> 02:22:33.080
to cover those liabilities

02:22:34.640 --> 02:22:37.640
and that's all I have.

02:22:40.399 --> 02:22:43.399
How do I stop sharing?

02:22:48.640 --> 02:22:51.096
Okay. Thank you to the CFO. So, council,

02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:52.776
do we have a move as per the business

02:22:52.800 --> 02:22:55.656
paper? Councelor Broadband and a second

02:22:55.680 --> 02:22:57.415
councelor Preston. Right. Is there

02:22:57.439 --> 02:22:58.856
discussion?

02:22:58.880 --> 02:23:01.880
Mr. May I ask that um what has just been

02:23:02.240 --> 02:23:03.896
presented be made available and

02:23:03.920 --> 02:23:06.375
published for the community because I

02:23:06.399 --> 02:23:08.136
don't think they could have read any of

02:23:08.160 --> 02:23:08.856
that

02:23:08.880 --> 02:23:10.056
if that's possible. Thank you.

02:23:10.080 --> 02:23:12.136
So we can publish that with the minutes.

02:23:12.160 --> 02:23:14.216
Yep. That's fine. Is there any further

02:23:14.240 --> 02:23:16.375
discussion? If not, we'll put the motion

02:23:16.399 --> 02:23:18.856
all in favor. That's unanimous and

02:23:18.880 --> 02:23:21.415
carried. The next item is 9.9 investment

02:23:21.439 --> 02:23:24.056
report October 2025. We have a move

02:23:24.080 --> 02:23:25.576
council broadband and a second council

02:23:25.600 --> 02:23:28.216
Willis. Is there discussion? Councilors,

02:23:28.240 --> 02:23:30.375
we'll put the motion all in favor. It's

02:23:30.399 --> 02:23:32.616
unanimous and carried. 910 opportunities

02:23:32.640 --> 02:23:34.536
in renewable energy and energy

02:23:34.560 --> 02:23:36.375
efficiency projects. Moved by councelor

02:23:36.399 --> 02:23:38.375
Willis and seconded councelor Preston.

02:23:38.399 --> 02:23:40.136
The discussion council Willis.

02:23:40.160 --> 02:23:43.160
 yes, thank you. Um I would like to

02:23:43.680 --> 02:23:45.415
thank the staff for bringing this

02:23:45.439 --> 02:23:48.439
forward. This is the um output of the um

02:23:49.600 --> 02:23:52.375
energy audit  that was done I think

02:23:52.399 --> 02:23:55.399
last year um to look at how to the best

02:23:56.319 --> 02:23:59.096
 return on investment to improve our

02:23:59.120 --> 02:24:00.856
energy efficiency and reduce greenhouse

02:24:00.880 --> 02:24:03.256
gas emissions. I was wondering I did

02:24:03.280 --> 02:24:06.280
wonder why um  we were only we were

02:24:06.479 --> 02:24:09.479
being asked to only  adopt spending

02:24:10.720 --> 02:24:13.176
agree to spending for three projects

02:24:13.200 --> 02:24:15.656
when there was  a lot more money

02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:18.056
available in the budget allocation and

02:24:18.080 --> 02:24:20.536
perhaps um Miss Omea could explain that

02:24:20.560 --> 02:24:23.560
to the council

02:24:23.920 --> 02:24:25.576
through you Mr. Mayor. Um all of the

02:24:25.600 --> 02:24:27.016
projects in the schedule are things that

02:24:27.040 --> 02:24:28.936
would like to progress at the council.

02:24:28.960 --> 02:24:30.856
We just need resolutions to be able to

02:24:30.880 --> 02:24:33.335
make a start on those that are immediate

02:24:33.359 --> 02:24:36.056
priorities that we can um progress with.

02:24:36.080 --> 02:24:37.576
Um there are development and

02:24:37.600 --> 02:24:39.896
commissioning stages for these projects.

02:24:39.920 --> 02:24:42.616
We need to make a start on those.

02:24:42.640 --> 02:24:44.856
Thank you.

02:24:44.880 --> 02:24:46.216
Is there further discussion? Councelor

02:24:46.240 --> 02:24:47.256
Grundy.

02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:50.280
 question if I may.  Mr. May  with

02:24:51.280 --> 02:24:54.280
the  documented savings here in the

02:24:55.120 --> 02:24:57.976
report, it looks like it'll take 6 years

02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:00.455
to break even on the expenditure

02:25:00.479 --> 02:25:02.936
associated with that. What is the life

02:25:02.960 --> 02:25:05.335
of the solar generation and the storage

02:25:05.359 --> 02:25:07.496
infrastructure that has been expended

02:25:07.520 --> 02:25:09.096
upon?

02:25:09.120 --> 02:25:10.936
Are we able to attempt to answer that

02:25:10.960 --> 02:25:11.896
question?

02:25:11.920 --> 02:25:13.576
Look, through Mr. Mayor, not being an

02:25:13.600 --> 02:25:15.176
energy engineer, I really couldn't, but

02:25:15.200 --> 02:25:16.856
it's definitely much more than six

02:25:16.880 --> 02:25:19.880
years. 6 years. Um that's actually um

02:25:20.160 --> 02:25:21.736
pretty good based on some of the work

02:25:21.760 --> 02:25:24.455
that we've been seeing on these sorts of

02:25:24.479 --> 02:25:25.896
projects and advice that we've been

02:25:25.920 --> 02:25:28.216
receiving. But I'm not I'm not an energy

02:25:28.240 --> 02:25:29.816
engineer. So sorry.

02:25:29.840 --> 02:25:32.056
Thank you. Is there further discussion?

02:25:32.080 --> 02:25:33.896
If not, we'll put Oh, there is councelor

02:25:33.920 --> 02:25:34.696
Willis.

02:25:34.720 --> 02:25:37.176
I just wanted to help councelor Grundy.

02:25:37.200 --> 02:25:38.936
 we installed a 1 kilo.

02:25:38.960 --> 02:25:40.056
Councelor Willis, we've had that

02:25:40.080 --> 02:25:41.176
question answered. So I'm going to put

02:25:41.200 --> 02:25:41.496
the motion.

02:25:41.520 --> 02:25:42.776
Okay. Then I'm going to then I'll then

02:25:42.800 --> 02:25:43.736
I'll finish my

02:25:43.760 --> 02:25:44.936
There was I don't think there's any

02:25:44.960 --> 02:25:46.696
debate. We had one question. So we'll

02:25:46.720 --> 02:25:48.216
put the motion councils. All those in

02:25:48.240 --> 02:25:51.240
favor unanimous and carried. The next

02:25:51.439 --> 02:25:54.439
item is 911 QPRC local heritage grants

02:25:55.840 --> 02:25:58.840
202526. Councelor Willis has a conflict

02:25:59.359 --> 02:26:01.096
of interest with this item. So she will

02:26:01.120 --> 02:26:04.120
exit the chamber.

02:26:10.160 --> 02:26:11.576
So councelor Willis has left the

02:26:11.600 --> 02:26:12.856
chamber. Do we have a move for the

02:26:12.880 --> 02:26:14.136
recommendation council? Councelor

02:26:14.160 --> 02:26:15.736
Preston, second councelor Tascowski. Is

02:26:15.760 --> 02:26:18.216
there any discussion? Councelor Preston,

02:26:18.240 --> 02:26:20.776
just  really briefly, I just said this

02:26:20.800 --> 02:26:23.016
recognizes and and helps to alleviate

02:26:23.040 --> 02:26:26.040
additional cost um costs for for owners

02:26:26.960 --> 02:26:29.016
of these properties for the compliance.

02:26:29.040 --> 02:26:31.656
 and it it's a um yeah, it's something

02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:34.680
that we we should support and help.

02:26:35.680 --> 02:26:37.896
Is there further discussion? I'll put

02:26:37.920 --> 02:26:39.656
the motion. All those in favor,

02:26:39.680 --> 02:26:40.776
councelor Broadbent, Councelor

02:26:40.800 --> 02:26:42.455
Livermore, Councelor Preston, Councelor

02:26:42.479 --> 02:26:43.896
Taskski, Councelor Waterhouse, and

02:26:43.920 --> 02:26:45.736
Councelor Winchester. and against

02:26:45.760 --> 02:26:48.760
councelor Grundy. I declare it carried.

02:26:52.000 --> 02:26:53.415
We'll wait for councelor Willis to

02:26:53.439 --> 02:26:56.439
rejoin us.

02:27:28.319 --> 02:27:31.016
Okay, Council Willis has rejoined us.

02:27:31.040 --> 02:27:33.576
So, we're up to item 912, which is the

02:27:33.600 --> 02:27:35.816
Elton Drive noise assessment. Do we have

02:27:35.840 --> 02:27:38.056
a mover, Council Willis, and a second,

02:27:38.080 --> 02:27:41.080
Councelor Livermore? Councelor Willis.

02:27:41.520 --> 02:27:43.096
Thank you, Mayor. This has been a long

02:27:43.120 --> 02:27:45.896
time coming.  and there are a lot of

02:27:45.920 --> 02:27:47.896
people who are sweating on what council

02:27:47.920 --> 02:27:50.920
does next. The report demonstrates that

02:27:51.120 --> 02:27:54.056
 many more people than anticipated are

02:27:54.080 --> 02:27:56.856
enduring noise levels higher than were

02:27:56.880 --> 02:27:59.576
expected at this point in the road's

02:27:59.600 --> 02:28:02.600
life.  I actually wanted to thank Pete

02:28:03.359 --> 02:28:05.976
Kontis who was the person who approached

02:28:06.000 --> 02:28:08.216
the member for Monero to get the funds

02:28:08.240 --> 02:28:10.776
to undertake this work.

02:28:10.800 --> 02:28:12.856
 without it, we wouldn't have  we

02:28:12.880 --> 02:28:15.880
wouldn't know  just how bad  the

02:28:16.000 --> 02:28:18.696
situation is and some of the options for

02:28:18.720 --> 02:28:21.415
noise treatments.  I'd like to thank

02:28:21.439 --> 02:28:23.176
the members of the working group,

02:28:23.200 --> 02:28:24.776
members of the community who are most

02:28:24.800 --> 02:28:27.576
directly affected, who've um worked with

02:28:27.600 --> 02:28:30.455
council staff and council laws on this

02:28:30.479 --> 02:28:33.479
piece of work. Um, I guess  half a

02:28:34.800 --> 02:28:37.335
million dollars isn't a lot of money for

02:28:37.359 --> 02:28:39.896
what we need to do next, but the it's

02:28:39.920 --> 02:28:42.696
it's imperative that we get a report 

02:28:42.720 --> 02:28:45.496
promptly on what the options are. Um,

02:28:45.520 --> 02:28:47.415
sadly, one of the most effective options

02:28:47.439 --> 02:28:50.439
would be a very high fence. , but as

02:28:50.880 --> 02:28:53.736
the um the consultant said to us, most

02:28:53.760 --> 02:28:55.896
people wouldn't want to live beside it.

02:28:55.920 --> 02:28:58.136
So, we'll be looking for  other

02:28:58.160 --> 02:29:01.160
treatments. I think most likely um at

02:29:01.280 --> 02:29:04.280
people's homes and in some cases if we

02:29:04.319 --> 02:29:07.016
can find source funding um to deal with

02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:08.616
some of the noise walls that have

02:29:08.640 --> 02:29:11.640
failed. Um that's it.

02:29:12.000 --> 02:29:13.976
Thank you, Councelor Willis. Is there

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:16.455
further discussion? Councelor Preston?

02:29:16.479 --> 02:29:17.976
Yeah, I think this really does

02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:19.896
illustrate how important it is to  to

02:29:19.920 --> 02:29:21.896
fully consider noise implications at the

02:29:21.920 --> 02:29:24.920
planning stage. Um retrofitting um noise

02:29:25.200 --> 02:29:27.415
management as this report points out is

02:29:27.439 --> 02:29:30.295
 is expensive um potentially unsightly

02:29:30.319 --> 02:29:31.816
and certainly environmentally

02:29:31.840 --> 02:29:34.840
challenging. We really need to  um

02:29:35.120 --> 02:29:37.016
continue the continuous improvement 

02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:39.656
on on planning and and to understand

02:29:39.680 --> 02:29:42.136
these things at at the beginning.

02:29:42.160 --> 02:29:43.415
Thank you councelor Preston. Councelor

02:29:43.439 --> 02:29:44.455
Broadman.

02:29:44.479 --> 02:29:46.455
 just a quick one through you Mr.

02:29:46.479 --> 02:29:49.016
Mayor to staff. Um the current

02:29:49.040 --> 02:29:51.096
recommendation in front of us says we're

02:29:51.120 --> 02:29:52.856
noting the report and then after that

02:29:52.880 --> 02:29:54.216
it's developing a priority plan of

02:29:54.240 --> 02:29:56.776
actions to be addressed in the current

02:29:56.800 --> 02:29:59.800
budget. What is the actual plan um if

02:30:00.479 --> 02:30:03.479
that makes sense for this report in an

02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:05.335
ongoing fashion is I'm assuming we're

02:30:05.359 --> 02:30:06.375
not just doing what's in the current

02:30:06.399 --> 02:30:07.496
budget. There's going to be more work

02:30:07.520 --> 02:30:09.816
after that.

02:30:09.840 --> 02:30:10.776
Mr. Cunningham.

02:30:10.800 --> 02:30:13.736
 thanks Mr. Mayor. Look, the I haven't

02:30:13.760 --> 02:30:15.415
been participating in this working

02:30:15.439 --> 02:30:17.016
group, but the briefing that I've got

02:30:17.040 --> 02:30:20.040
now got now is about um physically going

02:30:21.920 --> 02:30:23.736
to these these properties and finding

02:30:23.760 --> 02:30:25.496
out there'll be lowhanging fruit as it

02:30:25.520 --> 02:30:27.816
was described to me, but there'll be a

02:30:27.840 --> 02:30:29.415
body of work that'll come out of it that

02:30:29.439 --> 02:30:32.375
will be um beyond the scope of the

02:30:32.399 --> 02:30:34.696
500,000 and that's will be the intent of

02:30:34.720 --> 02:30:36.696
the report. So virtually what what

02:30:36.720 --> 02:30:39.496
lowhanging fruit can we get now? But

02:30:39.520 --> 02:30:41.816
there'll be more work and the first

02:30:41.840 --> 02:30:43.496
thing the council will want to know is

02:30:43.520 --> 02:30:45.016
what will that work look like and how

02:30:45.040 --> 02:30:47.736
much is it going to cost. So that's

02:30:47.760 --> 02:30:50.760
that's the the task in front of us right

02:30:50.880 --> 02:30:51.576
now.

02:30:51.600 --> 02:30:53.576
Sure. Yeah, that makes sense to me.

02:30:53.600 --> 02:30:54.536
Cheers.

02:30:54.560 --> 02:30:56.136
Okay. I'll just make a couple of very

02:30:56.160 --> 02:30:58.216
brief comments and I  agree with

02:30:58.240 --> 02:30:59.656
everything council will have said there.

02:30:59.680 --> 02:31:01.415
It was great that we got the money to do

02:31:01.439 --> 02:31:02.856
this assessment. It's great we've got

02:31:02.880 --> 02:31:04.776
the report. If you've read it and you've

02:31:04.800 --> 02:31:07.736
seen the recommendation for an 8 meter

02:31:07.760 --> 02:31:10.760
high noise wall, eight meters that is of

02:31:11.439 --> 02:31:13.096
nothing I've ever seen like before

02:31:13.120 --> 02:31:15.016
driving through Sydney. I can tell you

02:31:15.040 --> 02:31:16.856
they don't have anything at that scale.

02:31:16.880 --> 02:31:18.056
It's just not going to be able to

02:31:18.080 --> 02:31:19.656
happen. So, there's going to be a whole

02:31:19.680 --> 02:31:21.096
stack of treatments we're going to have

02:31:21.120 --> 02:31:24.120
to um try and find some funding for

02:31:24.319 --> 02:31:25.816
because these people, this road has

02:31:25.840 --> 02:31:27.576
ruined some of their lives, basically.

02:31:27.600 --> 02:31:29.736
and we need to try all we can to get the

02:31:29.760 --> 02:31:32.455
money  to we can address probably each

02:31:32.479 --> 02:31:34.616
house one at a time and from the worst

02:31:34.640 --> 02:31:36.136
affected backwards and there are whole

02:31:36.160 --> 02:31:38.696
stack that that are affected but um

02:31:38.720 --> 02:31:41.720
fully endorse moving forward but this

02:31:41.760 --> 02:31:43.335
report we're going come back with I'm

02:31:43.359 --> 02:31:45.096
concerned is going to there's going to

02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:47.176
be many many many millions of dollars

02:31:47.200 --> 02:31:49.656
required to get these houses back to the

02:31:49.680 --> 02:31:50.776
noise levels that they were at before

02:31:50.800 --> 02:31:53.656
this road was built council Willis

02:31:53.680 --> 02:31:56.216
 I had a question  possibly to the

02:31:56.240 --> 02:31:59.240
general manager through you. Um so this

02:31:59.280 --> 02:32:01.976
money  has come from the state

02:32:02.000 --> 02:32:05.000
government and is there a time period by

02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:07.335
which we need to spend it? We spend it

02:32:07.359 --> 02:32:10.359
on the study. Are we able to spend it 

02:32:11.280 --> 02:32:13.816
the the balance or is this half a

02:32:13.840 --> 02:32:16.536
million actually what's left over from

02:32:16.560 --> 02:32:19.560
the construction of the road project?

02:32:19.840 --> 02:32:22.696
Or perhaps you could clarify that um

02:32:22.720 --> 02:32:24.856
when we get this report back on what

02:32:24.880 --> 02:32:26.136
we're going to do next because it's not

02:32:26.160 --> 02:32:28.536
clear to me whether we have this is

02:32:28.560 --> 02:32:31.096
money that's ours or if it's I thought

02:32:31.120 --> 02:32:33.896
there was funds left from the um noise

02:32:33.920 --> 02:32:35.816
assessment work. Does that have to be

02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:37.736
returned to the government? Do we need

02:32:37.760 --> 02:32:40.760
to talk to them to request it come for

02:32:40.800 --> 02:32:43.800
the um for use in the works?

02:32:43.920 --> 02:32:45.096
So do you want to take this on notice?

02:32:45.120 --> 02:32:46.536
You're able to try and address now?

02:32:46.560 --> 02:32:48.295
I'll take it on notice, Mr. May, but the

02:32:48.319 --> 02:32:51.319
500,000 is related to the project.

02:32:51.520 --> 02:32:53.335
Whatever we spent for the noise

02:32:53.359 --> 02:32:55.335
assessment work,

02:32:55.359 --> 02:32:56.776
that's a funding agreement was

02:32:56.800 --> 02:32:58.295
specifically for the noise assessment

02:32:58.319 --> 02:33:00.216
work. If we were to change that, we'd

02:33:00.240 --> 02:33:02.136
have to require, you know, a change of

02:33:02.160 --> 02:33:03.496
our funding deed, but we'll get that

02:33:03.520 --> 02:33:06.375
information back with the next report.

02:33:06.399 --> 02:33:08.216
Thank you. Is there any further

02:33:08.240 --> 02:33:10.375
discussion? We'll put the motion. All in

02:33:10.399 --> 02:33:13.399
favor? That's unanimous and carried. The

02:33:14.000 --> 02:33:17.000
next item is 913 the QPRC sporting

02:33:17.040 --> 02:33:18.536
grounds usage and sporting grounds

02:33:18.560 --> 02:33:21.560
allocation policies. You have a mover

02:33:21.680 --> 02:33:23.736
councilors councelor Taskski and a

02:33:23.760 --> 02:33:25.896
second councelor Grundy did you want to

02:33:25.920 --> 02:33:28.920
speak to the item councelor Taskski?

02:33:28.960 --> 02:33:31.256
No Mr. Mayor but  the report it's

02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:33.816
great reporting and I hope we will

02:33:33.840 --> 02:33:35.335
continue with this sort of policy with

02:33:35.359 --> 02:33:37.256
the sports wheels and all the other

02:33:37.280 --> 02:33:38.776
amenities.

02:33:38.800 --> 02:33:41.335
Thank you councelor Grundy.

02:33:41.359 --> 02:33:42.776
I'm just going to add a couple of very

02:33:42.800 --> 02:33:44.696
brief comments, counselors, cuz I'm

02:33:44.720 --> 02:33:46.216
actually quite concerned after the

02:33:46.240 --> 02:33:48.856
presentation we received today from 

02:33:48.880 --> 02:33:51.880
the representative of of Tigers FC. Um

02:33:54.960 --> 02:33:57.016
it is important that we do have 

02:33:57.040 --> 02:33:58.776
policies in place for staff to follow so

02:33:58.800 --> 02:34:00.776
they can make decisions when multiple

02:34:00.800 --> 02:34:02.856
clubs do want to be making bookings at

02:34:02.880 --> 02:34:05.880
the same grounds.

02:34:06.640 --> 02:34:09.335
for for Tigers actually are not a member

02:34:09.359 --> 02:34:12.359
of a QPRC sports council. They are

02:34:12.880 --> 02:34:15.256
formerly from Kuma. They're now based in

02:34:15.280 --> 02:34:16.936
the ACT. They may have registered a club

02:34:16.960 --> 02:34:19.576
in Bangor. I would not consider them the

02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:21.816
same as some of the existing or

02:34:21.840 --> 02:34:23.896
basically all of the existing clubs that

02:34:23.920 --> 02:34:26.295
we do have in our council area. I think

02:34:26.319 --> 02:34:28.616
we I'm going to happy to proceed and put

02:34:28.640 --> 02:34:29.976
this out on exhibition, but I think

02:34:30.000 --> 02:34:31.896
there is workshop required and

02:34:31.920 --> 02:34:33.976
information needs to be provided to

02:34:34.000 --> 02:34:36.776
councilors before we make any decisions

02:34:36.800 --> 02:34:38.776
that are going to have a huge impact on

02:34:38.800 --> 02:34:41.016
our current clubs that particularly use

02:34:41.040 --> 02:34:43.496
the South Jumbra Sports Complex. The

02:34:43.520 --> 02:34:45.896
complex out there is

02:34:45.920 --> 02:34:48.136
causes major issues for our staff to the

02:34:48.160 --> 02:34:49.576
point where I need to become involved on

02:34:49.600 --> 02:34:50.936
time to sort out now and that's with the

02:34:50.960 --> 02:34:53.415
existing three users, not with a not

02:34:53.439 --> 02:34:54.536
with a fourth one. It's already

02:34:54.560 --> 02:34:56.455
difficult enough. So that's why we do

02:34:56.479 --> 02:34:57.816
need this stuff in place. I'm just

02:34:57.840 --> 02:35:00.840
putting it out there that we we need to

02:35:01.120 --> 02:35:02.375
workshop this. We need to work through

02:35:02.399 --> 02:35:04.455
it and make sure that we get we do get

02:35:04.479 --> 02:35:06.216
it right between us and we're not making

02:35:06.240 --> 02:35:07.976
decisions that are going to have a

02:35:08.000 --> 02:35:10.455
massive unintended consequence on

02:35:10.479 --> 02:35:12.696
current users of of that sporting

02:35:12.720 --> 02:35:14.295
complex in particular. Noting this

02:35:14.319 --> 02:35:16.056
applies to all of our sporting greens

02:35:16.080 --> 02:35:18.616
out there, but I can tell you South Bra

02:35:18.640 --> 02:35:20.375
is by far the most controversial

02:35:20.399 --> 02:35:21.816
facility that we have. Councelor

02:35:21.840 --> 02:35:22.696
Broadband.

02:35:22.720 --> 02:35:25.256
 Mr. Mayor, if that's I I tend to

02:35:25.280 --> 02:35:28.136
concur. Um, if that's your advice, is it

02:35:28.160 --> 02:35:30.536
sensible to amend this to say defer

02:35:30.560 --> 02:35:32.776
until we've received advice and feedback

02:35:32.800 --> 02:35:35.096
from the sports council

02:35:35.120 --> 02:35:37.016
rather than us endorsing the policy?

02:35:37.040 --> 02:35:38.616
So, personally, I think putting out on

02:35:38.640 --> 02:35:40.136
exhibition is fine. I think we do need

02:35:40.160 --> 02:35:42.056
to sit down and have a workshop and

02:35:42.080 --> 02:35:43.096
there's going to be a lot that need

02:35:43.120 --> 02:35:45.896
probably needs to go into this before we

02:35:45.920 --> 02:35:47.656
nail it. I don't want to slow down the

02:35:47.680 --> 02:35:49.736
process. I think this goes out all the

02:35:49.760 --> 02:35:51.256
all the clubs can look at it, provide us

02:35:51.280 --> 02:35:53.256
with their feedback and but yeah, we do

02:35:53.280 --> 02:35:55.256
need to spend a lot of time um to get it

02:35:55.280 --> 02:35:55.496
right.

02:35:55.520 --> 02:35:56.455
Yeah, happy back.

02:35:56.479 --> 02:35:58.856
Okay.  councelor Willis,

02:35:58.880 --> 02:36:00.776
I'd like to move a deferral for the

02:36:00.800 --> 02:36:02.536
councilors to discuss this at a

02:36:02.560 --> 02:36:05.176
workshop. I think we've got two um

02:36:05.200 --> 02:36:07.976
Okay, before you speak to it, got a

02:36:08.000 --> 02:36:11.000
amendment to defer. Do I have a second?

02:36:11.760 --> 02:36:14.760
Council Waterhouse. Councelor Willis.

02:36:14.960 --> 02:36:17.960
Thanks, Councelor Waterhouse. Um I agree

02:36:18.399 --> 02:36:20.616
um  the pol it's good idea to have

02:36:20.640 --> 02:36:23.096
policies so that council's decisions are

02:36:23.120 --> 02:36:25.256
transparent and everybody knows what the

02:36:25.280 --> 02:36:27.496
arrangements are but I have concerns

02:36:27.520 --> 02:36:30.375
with a number of provisions of the 

02:36:30.399 --> 02:36:32.696
the policies. I think there are things

02:36:32.720 --> 02:36:35.415
that aren't explained. Um there are

02:36:35.439 --> 02:36:38.136
processes  that are not clear to me

02:36:38.160 --> 02:36:41.016
how things will be  access will be

02:36:41.040 --> 02:36:43.496
fair and equitable. If the policy

02:36:43.520 --> 02:36:45.976
stipulates elite and competition users

02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:49.000
receive priority over community users.

02:36:49.120 --> 02:36:51.256
 it's not clear to me how some of the

02:36:51.280 --> 02:36:53.016
categories are determined. That may be

02:36:53.040 --> 02:36:54.776
better known to people who are on the um

02:36:54.800 --> 02:36:57.016
councils on the sports council. There

02:36:57.040 --> 02:37:00.040
are um some there's a lot of repetition

02:37:00.160 --> 02:37:01.816
between the two policies. I don't think

02:37:01.840 --> 02:37:04.136
that's necessary. they can simply cross

02:37:04.160 --> 02:37:06.216
reference each other. That will make

02:37:06.240 --> 02:37:08.536
them more concise.  and that's better

02:37:08.560 --> 02:37:11.335
for a user. There's information um

02:37:11.359 --> 02:37:13.656
that's missing. For example, appendix B

02:37:13.680 --> 02:37:16.295
in the first policy um doesn't appear to

02:37:16.319 --> 02:37:18.856
be there. So um there are some

02:37:18.880 --> 02:37:21.335
fundamental principles that are proposed

02:37:21.359 --> 02:37:24.216
here that I think the council laws

02:37:24.240 --> 02:37:26.616
should have an opportunity discuss. 

02:37:26.640 --> 02:37:29.415
I'm certainly not comfortable with this

02:37:29.439 --> 02:37:31.656
to put it to support putting it out to

02:37:31.680 --> 02:37:34.136
the public for their feedback.

02:37:34.160 --> 02:37:37.096
Okay, councelor Waterhouse.

02:37:37.120 --> 02:37:38.776
So further discussion, councelor

02:37:38.800 --> 02:37:39.816
Preston.

02:37:39.840 --> 02:37:41.496
Yeah, I think consultation is

02:37:41.520 --> 02:37:44.295
fundamentally embedded in the um in the

02:37:44.319 --> 02:37:45.736
recommendation. So I'm not going to

02:37:45.760 --> 02:37:47.256
support that.

02:37:47.280 --> 02:37:48.455
Yeah. And I'll just put it out there

02:37:48.479 --> 02:37:51.176
that I think we could have a workshop

02:37:51.200 --> 02:37:53.496
soon. We don't need but we can do things

02:37:53.520 --> 02:37:56.056
at the same time. Councelor Willis, did

02:37:56.080 --> 02:37:57.415
you want to sum up any debate?

02:37:57.439 --> 02:37:58.616
Otherwise, we'll put the amendment. All

02:37:58.640 --> 02:38:00.136
in favor of the amendment. Count

02:38:00.160 --> 02:38:01.576
councelor Waterhouse and councelor

02:38:01.600 --> 02:38:03.896
Willis and against. Councelor Broadbent,

02:38:03.920 --> 02:38:05.335
Councelor Grundy, councelor Livermore,

02:38:05.359 --> 02:38:06.776
councelor Preston, councelor Taskski and

02:38:06.800 --> 02:38:08.856
councelor Winchester declare it lost. Is

02:38:08.880 --> 02:38:10.536
any further debate on the motion? If

02:38:10.560 --> 02:38:11.896
not, we'll put the motion. All those in

02:38:11.920 --> 02:38:13.496
favor,

02:38:13.520 --> 02:38:15.496
, councelor Broadbent, Grandy,

02:38:15.520 --> 02:38:17.415
Livermore, Preston, Tascowski,

02:38:17.439 --> 02:38:19.256
Waterhouse, Winchester, and against

02:38:19.280 --> 02:38:21.176
Willis and declare carro. It's much

02:38:21.200 --> 02:38:22.455
quicker when I don't say council before

02:38:22.479 --> 02:38:24.295
everyone. I might keep doing that. Okay.

02:38:24.319 --> 02:38:27.319
Item 914, the captain's fat community

02:38:27.439 --> 02:38:29.335
plan. Do we have a mover, councelor

02:38:29.359 --> 02:38:32.359
Willis and second? No. Okay. Councelor

02:38:33.520 --> 02:38:35.816
Preston and second council Livermore.

02:38:35.840 --> 02:38:38.840
Discussion on the item. Councilors.

02:38:39.520 --> 02:38:41.496
Councelor Willis.

02:38:41.520 --> 02:38:43.896
, thank you, Mayor. Yes. I I also

02:38:43.920 --> 02:38:46.616
think this needs to be deferred. , and

02:38:46.640 --> 02:38:48.295
there's some changes that need to be

02:38:48.319 --> 02:38:51.319
made to the document um before we put it

02:38:51.920 --> 02:38:54.856
out. Um the community association

02:38:54.880 --> 02:38:57.880
president also told me that the group um

02:38:58.000 --> 02:39:00.616
which has been quite closely involved in

02:39:00.640 --> 02:39:03.176
the development of this document didn't

02:39:03.200 --> 02:39:05.176
see the last version before it came to

02:39:05.200 --> 02:39:08.200
council to essentially endorse for um

02:39:08.560 --> 02:39:11.560
for public feedback. Um so  it I don't

02:39:12.960 --> 02:39:15.960
think it needs to be a a long delay. Um,

02:39:16.960 --> 02:39:19.960
I think the changes um could be made in

02:39:20.399 --> 02:39:23.256
time for us to look at this  in the

02:39:23.280 --> 02:39:25.576
last workshop scheduled and possibly

02:39:25.600 --> 02:39:27.976
even bring it back to the meeting on the

02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:28.856
17th.

02:39:28.880 --> 02:39:29.896
Okay. So, you're going to move an

02:39:29.920 --> 02:39:31.576
amendment.

02:39:31.600 --> 02:39:34.600
Oh, yes. Sorry. Um  yes, an amendment

02:39:35.600 --> 02:39:37.496
that the u the matter be deferred to a

02:39:37.520 --> 02:39:38.856
counselor workshop.

02:39:38.880 --> 02:39:41.880
Okay. Do we have a second counselors?

02:39:44.160 --> 02:39:46.375
We don't have a seconder. So is there

02:39:46.399 --> 02:39:49.399
further discussion on the motion?

02:39:49.520 --> 02:39:51.016
If not, I'll put the motion. All those

02:39:51.040 --> 02:39:53.415
in favor, councilors Broadbent, Grundy,

02:39:53.439 --> 02:39:55.656
Livermore, Preston, Tasoski, Waterhouse,

02:39:55.680 --> 02:39:57.736
and Winchester. And against Council

02:39:57.760 --> 02:40:00.616
Willis, I declare it carried. Now on to

02:40:00.640 --> 02:40:03.640
items for information. 10.1 the QSTP

02:40:03.840 --> 02:40:06.056
upgrade project update. We have a move

02:40:06.080 --> 02:40:07.496
for this item. Councilors, I'm happy to

02:40:07.520 --> 02:40:09.256
move from the chair. Second to councelor

02:40:09.280 --> 02:40:11.576
Grundy. Any discussion? Put the motion.

02:40:11.600 --> 02:40:14.056
All in favor? Unanimous and carry. 10.2

02:40:14.080 --> 02:40:17.016
Two is a residential electrification

02:40:17.040 --> 02:40:19.736
financing moved by councelor Willis and

02:40:19.760 --> 02:40:21.816
seconded councelor Livermore. Is there

02:40:21.840 --> 02:40:22.856
discussion on this one? Councelor

02:40:22.880 --> 02:40:23.335
Willis.

02:40:23.359 --> 02:40:24.776
Yes. I'd like to thank the staff for

02:40:24.800 --> 02:40:27.176
this. It's a very thorough report and it

02:40:27.200 --> 02:40:29.576
gives us um I think it gives a clear way

02:40:29.600 --> 02:40:31.576
forward for how the council could

02:40:31.600 --> 02:40:33.896
support um communities including

02:40:33.920 --> 02:40:36.295
possible targeted assistance. for

02:40:36.319 --> 02:40:39.319
example, um people on lower incomes u

02:40:39.600 --> 02:40:42.600
who might have the capacity to um to

02:40:43.280 --> 02:40:46.216
make use of a low or near low interest

02:40:46.240 --> 02:40:49.016
loan. Um so thank you for bringing this

02:40:49.040 --> 02:40:52.040
to council and I'll be coming back with

02:40:52.160 --> 02:40:55.160
um  a proposal.  I think in the

02:40:55.920 --> 02:40:58.056
first instance though I'll be looking to

02:40:58.080 --> 02:41:00.616
see if the sustainability

02:41:00.640 --> 02:41:03.640
 and community climate  action

02:41:04.640 --> 02:41:06.936
advisory committee  can give some

02:41:06.960 --> 02:41:08.696
feedback.

02:41:08.720 --> 02:41:10.056
You councelor Willis. Is there further

02:41:10.080 --> 02:41:11.896
discussion? We'll put the most surely in

02:41:11.920 --> 02:41:14.375
favor unanimous and carried and then

02:41:14.399 --> 02:41:16.455
10.3 is the code of meeting practice

02:41:16.479 --> 02:41:19.479
2025 advocacy minister response moved by

02:41:20.720 --> 02:41:22.455
councelor Tasoski. Second councelor

02:41:22.479 --> 02:41:23.976
Waterhouse. Is there discussion on this

02:41:24.000 --> 02:41:27.000
item? Councilors, Council Waterhouse.

02:41:27.040 --> 02:41:29.976
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. um a report from

02:41:30.000 --> 02:41:32.696
the three days of conference the last

02:41:32.720 --> 02:41:35.720
three days.  we are not alone in being

02:41:36.240 --> 02:41:38.455
concerned about this code of meeting

02:41:38.479 --> 02:41:41.479
practice. Um in fact I think of the

02:41:41.680 --> 02:41:44.680
dozen or so unanimous motions that were

02:41:45.040 --> 02:41:48.040
passed unanimously. Dur um this was

02:41:48.880 --> 02:41:51.096
certainly one of them that the the

02:41:51.120 --> 02:41:54.120
entire  conference was particularly

02:41:54.560 --> 02:41:57.560
unhappy with it. Um, so I think we

02:41:59.200 --> 02:42:00.936
gird up our loins because I think this

02:42:00.960 --> 02:42:03.176
might have to be continued. So it's not

02:42:03.200 --> 02:42:05.976
a finished story yet.

02:42:06.000 --> 02:42:08.536
Further discussion, councilors. If not,

02:42:08.560 --> 02:42:09.816
we'll put the motion. All those in

02:42:09.840 --> 02:42:12.375
favor? That's unanimous and carried. So

02:42:12.399 --> 02:42:14.616
we have the supplementary item 10.4,

02:42:14.640 --> 02:42:16.856
which was the site meeting at 275

02:42:16.880 --> 02:42:19.096
Crawford Street, Queenbian. And that's

02:42:19.120 --> 02:42:20.856
moved by councelor Willis, seconded

02:42:20.880 --> 02:42:22.936
councelor Broadbent. No discussion.

02:42:22.960 --> 02:42:24.856
We'll put that motion all in favor.

02:42:24.880 --> 02:42:27.096
Unanimous. and carried. Okay, we're on

02:42:27.120 --> 02:42:29.736
to reports of committees. 11.1 the QPRC

02:42:29.760 --> 02:42:32.295
Access Committee minutes 29 October

02:42:32.319 --> 02:42:34.936
2025. We have a mover with councelor

02:42:34.960 --> 02:42:36.455
McDonald not here. I'm happy to move on

02:42:36.479 --> 02:42:38.136
his behalf. Councelor Waterhouse

02:42:38.160 --> 02:42:39.736
seconded. Is there any discussion?

02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:41.016
Councelor Broadband.

02:42:41.040 --> 02:42:44.040
No. No discussion. Councelor Willis.

02:42:45.439 --> 02:42:48.439
Yes. This has a recommendation to

02:42:48.479 --> 02:42:51.016
endorse an accessibility audit of Bangor

02:42:51.040 --> 02:42:53.816
as part of the accessibility audit works

02:42:53.840 --> 02:42:56.375
for this financial year. Can we get some

02:42:56.399 --> 02:42:59.399
information on  what is the current

02:43:00.319 --> 02:43:03.319
scope of that audit?

02:43:04.720 --> 02:43:05.976
General manager, who would this fall

02:43:06.000 --> 02:43:06.455
under?

02:43:06.479 --> 02:43:08.455
I'll have to take that on notice unless

02:43:08.479 --> 02:43:11.176
Miss Richards is aware.

02:43:11.200 --> 02:43:12.856
Sorry, Miss Richards. So the question is

02:43:12.880 --> 02:43:14.536
basically in relation to the access

02:43:14.560 --> 02:43:17.096
committee and the recommendation um for

02:43:17.120 --> 02:43:18.856
an accessibility audit of the Bangador

02:43:18.880 --> 02:43:21.496
CBD. So councelor Willis is like some

02:43:21.520 --> 02:43:24.520
information on that.

02:43:24.560 --> 02:43:27.176


02:43:27.200 --> 02:43:28.856
you go councelor Willis.

02:43:28.880 --> 02:43:30.856


02:43:30.880 --> 02:43:33.496
I don't know what the scope of the the

02:43:33.520 --> 02:43:35.736
current scope of the works is. Is Bangor

02:43:35.760 --> 02:43:37.976
the only center that's been left out?

02:43:38.000 --> 02:43:40.375
Should be we should we be looking at

02:43:40.399 --> 02:43:42.616
other areas that should be included? I

02:43:42.640 --> 02:43:44.696
just I don't have the history to how

02:43:44.720 --> 02:43:46.616
this got here.

02:43:46.640 --> 02:43:49.096
 thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. 

02:43:49.120 --> 02:43:52.120
this was um a suggestion that or a

02:43:52.399 --> 02:43:54.136
recommendation that came from councelor

02:43:54.160 --> 02:43:56.375
some time ago. We've done some work

02:43:56.399 --> 02:43:58.375
accessibility audit in Braidwood and a

02:43:58.399 --> 02:44:01.399
little bit in Bangor. Um and so um some

02:44:03.120 --> 02:44:05.496
committee members suggested that sorry

02:44:05.520 --> 02:44:07.656
in Braaywood and Queenian committee

02:44:07.680 --> 02:44:10.375
members suggested that Bungor  would

02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:13.399
be a next good option. So we anticipate

02:44:14.160 --> 02:44:17.096
rolling out a string of these in the in

02:44:17.120 --> 02:44:20.120
the areas of most need.

02:44:20.160 --> 02:44:21.816
Thank you.

02:44:21.840 --> 02:44:23.656
Further discussion we'll put the motion.

02:44:23.680 --> 02:44:26.680
All in favor unanimous and carried. 11.2

02:44:26.800 --> 02:44:28.295
Two is the sustainability and climate

02:44:28.319 --> 02:44:30.616
change committee minutes 30 October 2025

02:44:30.640 --> 02:44:32.455
moved by councelor Willis seconded

02:44:32.479 --> 02:44:35.479
councelor waterhouse is there discussion

02:44:35.600 --> 02:44:37.176
if not we can put the motion all in

02:44:37.200 --> 02:44:40.200
favor unanimously carried 11.3 is the

02:44:40.399 --> 02:44:42.056
youth advisory committee minutes moved

02:44:42.080 --> 02:44:43.255
by councelor broadband seconded

02:44:43.279 --> 02:44:45.576
councelor waterhouse councelor broadband

02:44:45.600 --> 02:44:48.600
um I won't say much but um I will say

02:44:48.960 --> 02:44:50.295
one of the very interesting topics of

02:44:50.319 --> 02:44:52.056
discussion um for those that aren't

02:44:52.080 --> 02:44:54.616
aware is the upcoming well I'm sure most

02:44:54.640 --> 02:44:55.976
of you would be aware is the upcoming

02:44:56.000 --> 02:44:59.000
ban for you for social media for youth.

02:44:59.279 --> 02:45:01.255
Um it's going to be an interesting

02:45:01.279 --> 02:45:03.096
challenge I think cuz a lot of our a lot

02:45:03.120 --> 02:45:05.896
of the way that we currently engage with

02:45:05.920 --> 02:45:08.920
 youth has been 100% um I guess

02:45:09.279 --> 02:45:12.216
leveraged on  the use of social media

02:45:12.240 --> 02:45:13.896
and that's about to be cut away

02:45:13.920 --> 02:45:15.816
completely. U probably leaving us in a

02:45:15.840 --> 02:45:17.976
worse situation than we were previously.

02:45:18.000 --> 02:45:20.295
Um, so I think there's a bit of work to

02:45:20.319 --> 02:45:21.736
do and it's actually one of the things

02:45:21.760 --> 02:45:24.696
that I'm hoping to talk to them about in

02:45:24.720 --> 02:45:27.415
as we get into the new year um about

02:45:27.439 --> 02:45:29.335
what the solutions are there. Um, I

02:45:29.359 --> 02:45:31.176
think there are some good ones including

02:45:31.200 --> 02:45:33.816
fixed permanent signage on bus stops um,

02:45:33.840 --> 02:45:36.216
for example. Um, there's there are a

02:45:36.240 --> 02:45:38.216
couple options but yeah, I think there's

02:45:38.240 --> 02:45:39.656
the discussion out of that was that

02:45:39.680 --> 02:45:41.656
yeah, youth are stressed about it. Um,

02:45:41.680 --> 02:45:44.136
and it's going to be a lost opportunity

02:45:44.160 --> 02:45:47.016
for us in terms of coms. So yeah, watch

02:45:47.040 --> 02:45:48.455
your space.

02:45:48.479 --> 02:45:50.136
Thank you, councelor. Is there further

02:45:50.160 --> 02:45:52.056
discussion? We'll put the motion all in

02:45:52.080 --> 02:45:54.056
favor. That's unanimous and carried. And

02:45:54.080 --> 02:45:56.936
then 11.4, the Heritage Advisory

02:45:56.960 --> 02:45:58.216
Committee minutes moved by councelor

02:45:58.240 --> 02:46:00.455
Willis and seconded Councelor Livermore.

02:46:00.479 --> 02:46:02.375
Their discussion on this item, we'll put

02:46:02.399 --> 02:46:04.936
the motion. All in favor? Unanimous and

02:46:04.960 --> 02:46:07.096
carried. We're on to notice of motions

02:46:07.120 --> 02:46:09.576
12.1. Notice of motion. Choptop Housing

02:46:09.600 --> 02:46:11.816
50 Moricet Street Queen. In moving as

02:46:11.840 --> 02:46:13.656
per the business paper, councelor

02:46:13.680 --> 02:46:15.656
Willis. Yes,

02:46:15.680 --> 02:46:17.255
I have a second. Councelor Grundy,

02:46:17.279 --> 02:46:18.455
councelor Willis.

02:46:18.479 --> 02:46:20.696
Thank you, Councelor Grundy. It's

02:46:20.720 --> 02:46:22.616
essential council conveys its objection

02:46:22.640 --> 02:46:25.640
to this decision to the minister  so

02:46:26.319 --> 02:46:28.455
that he can review his ministerial order

02:46:28.479 --> 02:46:30.136
before assessment under the state

02:46:30.160 --> 02:46:33.096
significant development pathway starts.

02:46:33.120 --> 02:46:34.696
There are a number of issues with

02:46:34.720 --> 02:46:36.936
process. The Southern Regional Planning

02:46:36.960 --> 02:46:39.096
Panel considered this DA and refused

02:46:39.120 --> 02:46:41.255
consent for several reasons, including

02:46:41.279 --> 02:46:43.335
the loss of car parking for Riverside

02:46:43.359 --> 02:46:45.415
Plaza. The applicant lodged an

02:46:45.439 --> 02:46:46.936
expression of interest with the housing

02:46:46.960 --> 02:46:49.255
delivery authority. Council staff

02:46:49.279 --> 02:46:51.096
recommended against endorsing the

02:46:51.120 --> 02:46:52.936
proposal as state significant

02:46:52.960 --> 02:46:54.856
development, but the authorities's

02:46:54.880 --> 02:46:56.616
recommendation that the minister grant

02:46:56.640 --> 02:46:58.856
the proposal state significant

02:46:58.880 --> 02:47:00.936
development status is questionable when

02:47:00.960 --> 02:47:03.255
you look at several of the criteria that

02:47:03.279 --> 02:47:05.816
are to be applied. Projects that can

02:47:05.840 --> 02:47:07.656
deliver more homes within the housing

02:47:07.680 --> 02:47:10.680
accord period by 30 June 2029. The state

02:47:11.120 --> 02:47:12.936
significant development process is

02:47:12.960 --> 02:47:15.656
lengthy and we'd be very lucky if we saw

02:47:15.680 --> 02:47:18.375
anything on the ground by that date.

02:47:18.399 --> 02:47:20.056
They need to be assessed quickly.

02:47:20.080 --> 02:47:23.080
Outstanding matters remain with this DA

02:47:23.279 --> 02:47:25.576
including impacts on adjacent state

02:47:25.600 --> 02:47:27.736
listed heritage items, parking

02:47:27.760 --> 02:47:29.896
requirements for plaza shoppers as well

02:47:29.920 --> 02:47:31.415
as residents of the proposed

02:47:31.439 --> 02:47:34.216
development.  development needs a

02:47:34.240 --> 02:47:36.216
proposal needs to have addressed any

02:47:36.240 --> 02:47:38.375
previously refused proposal and it

02:47:38.399 --> 02:47:40.696
hasn't. It needs to be free of specific

02:47:40.720 --> 02:47:42.776
environmental hazards and constraint.

02:47:42.800 --> 02:47:45.255
The land in this case is flood affect 

02:47:45.279 --> 02:47:46.776
i.e. the land shouldn't be flood

02:47:46.800 --> 02:47:49.800
affected and in this case um it is 

02:47:50.399 --> 02:47:52.776
the housing delivery authority process

02:47:52.800 --> 02:47:54.856
shouldn't undermine the planning system

02:47:54.880 --> 02:47:57.016
and risk returning to the bad old days

02:47:57.040 --> 02:47:59.415
when ministers intervened to ensure a

02:47:59.439 --> 02:48:01.656
development proceeded under part 3A of

02:48:01.680 --> 02:48:04.216
the planning act. Secondly, there is the

02:48:04.240 --> 02:48:05.976
apparent willingness to override a

02:48:06.000 --> 02:48:07.576
condition of consent that provides an

02:48:07.600 --> 02:48:10.375
ongoing benefit to our community. The

02:48:10.399 --> 02:48:12.295
car parking requirement was a condition

02:48:12.319 --> 02:48:14.856
of the expansion of Riverside Plaza. The

02:48:14.880 --> 02:48:16.776
applicant was given many opportunities

02:48:16.800 --> 02:48:18.936
during the assessment of the DA to

02:48:18.960 --> 02:48:21.576
address the loss of 196 car parking

02:48:21.600 --> 02:48:23.656
spaces, but didn't present a workable

02:48:23.680 --> 02:48:26.056
solution. This condition should not be

02:48:26.080 --> 02:48:28.056
dispensed with in the absence of a

02:48:28.080 --> 02:48:30.536
reasonable alternative, including not

02:48:30.560 --> 02:48:32.696
imposing on public car parks. council

02:48:32.720 --> 02:48:35.255
assets and thereby fettering council's

02:48:35.279 --> 02:48:37.415
future decisions about how best to use

02:48:37.439 --> 02:48:40.439
that land. Thirdly, there is doubt about

02:48:40.640 --> 02:48:43.415
the benefit. The housing um delivery

02:48:43.439 --> 02:48:46.439
authority as a decision states that the

02:48:46.479 --> 02:48:48.616
proposed development might not deliver

02:48:48.640 --> 02:48:50.776
160 dwellings as per the original

02:48:50.800 --> 02:48:52.936
proposal. In other words, we could see

02:48:52.960 --> 02:48:54.936
fewer dwellings while enduring the loss

02:48:54.960 --> 02:48:57.576
of almost 200 car parking spaces that

02:48:57.600 --> 02:48:59.255
support the city's largest shopping

02:48:59.279 --> 02:49:00.936
center.

02:49:00.960 --> 02:49:03.255
 Riverside Plaza serves not  not

02:49:03.279 --> 02:49:05.736
only the 45,000 people of Queenbian but

02:49:05.760 --> 02:49:07.415
many people who live in the surrounding

02:49:07.439 --> 02:49:09.976
district. The plaza provides local jobs

02:49:10.000 --> 02:49:11.816
and easy access to essential and

02:49:11.840 --> 02:49:13.816
discretionary goods and services

02:49:13.840 --> 02:49:16.136
including a large supermarket, chemist,

02:49:16.160 --> 02:49:17.896
health and medical services, banks,

02:49:17.920 --> 02:49:20.455
eeries, and other retail outlets. The

02:49:20.479 --> 02:49:22.455
loss of so many car parking spaces

02:49:22.479 --> 02:49:24.536
presents a risk to local business

02:49:24.560 --> 02:49:26.696
through fewer customers and reduced

02:49:26.720 --> 02:49:29.016
revenue, potentially threatening the

02:49:29.040 --> 02:49:30.696
vitality of the central business

02:49:30.720 --> 02:49:33.096
district. We shouldn't sit by quietly

02:49:33.120 --> 02:49:34.696
and accept a course of action that

02:49:34.720 --> 02:49:37.415
undermines Queenian's viability as a

02:49:37.439 --> 02:49:39.335
vibrant regional community, not a

02:49:39.359 --> 02:49:42.359
dormatory suburb of Canberra  and see

02:49:42.800 --> 02:49:45.096
our town struggling to survive. The town

02:49:45.120 --> 02:49:47.816
is almost 200 years old. It has its own

02:49:47.840 --> 02:49:49.736
identity and character and it deserves a

02:49:49.760 --> 02:49:51.896
secure future.

02:49:51.920 --> 02:49:54.216
Okay. Council Willis, councelor Grundy.

02:49:54.240 --> 02:49:56.375
Nothing further, Mr. Mayor.

02:49:56.399 --> 02:49:58.056
Okay. Is there further discussion on

02:49:58.080 --> 02:49:59.496
this item? Councilors, just a really

02:49:59.520 --> 02:50:01.656
quick note from me then that so we've

02:50:01.680 --> 02:50:03.335
seen a lot of reforms in the planning

02:50:03.359 --> 02:50:06.359
space of late, but we all know fast

02:50:07.040 --> 02:50:09.896
planning should not be more important

02:50:09.920 --> 02:50:12.056
than good planning. And we know there's

02:50:12.080 --> 02:50:13.736
huge issues in relation particularly to

02:50:13.760 --> 02:50:15.415
the car parking for this project. it

02:50:15.439 --> 02:50:16.536
wasn't supported by the regional

02:50:16.560 --> 02:50:18.936
planning panel. I'm very concerned that

02:50:18.960 --> 02:50:21.960
it may be approved by um the under the

02:50:23.439 --> 02:50:24.856
planning under the planning rout it's

02:50:24.880 --> 02:50:27.496
gone through. Um we'll put the motion

02:50:27.520 --> 02:50:30.216
all those in favor that's unanimous and

02:50:30.240 --> 02:50:33.240
carried and then 12.2

02:50:33.520 --> 02:50:35.096
which is the notice of motion planning

02:50:35.120 --> 02:50:37.736
systems reforms act 2025 moving as per

02:50:37.760 --> 02:50:39.335
the business paper. Council Willis.

02:50:39.359 --> 02:50:39.816
Yes.

02:50:39.840 --> 02:50:42.295
And we have a second. I'm happy to

02:50:42.319 --> 02:50:43.496
second it. Councelor Willis,

02:50:43.520 --> 02:50:46.216
can I make a point, sir, please? There's

02:50:46.240 --> 02:50:48.616
um there's there's an unnecessary

02:50:48.640 --> 02:50:50.776
question mark on the first dot point.

02:50:50.800 --> 02:50:51.255
It's

02:50:51.279 --> 02:50:52.696
Thank you. I did see that when I was

02:50:52.720 --> 02:50:54.936
reviewing  the matter.

02:50:54.960 --> 02:50:57.496
Okay. So, a minute a secretary will

02:50:57.520 --> 02:50:58.936
delete that question mark and council

02:50:58.960 --> 02:51:01.096
Willis will speak to the motion.

02:51:01.120 --> 02:51:04.120
 thank you. Um so,  I don't actually

02:51:05.920 --> 02:51:08.920
have any notes. How's that? Um um as the

02:51:10.000 --> 02:51:13.000
the item 12.1 which we just discussed is

02:51:13.279 --> 02:51:16.279
actually um part  is part of um this

02:51:17.439 --> 02:51:20.439
broader scale of change that's been um

02:51:20.479 --> 02:51:22.936
thrust upon councils.

02:51:22.960 --> 02:51:24.776
Some councils don't know that next year

02:51:24.800 --> 02:51:27.096
they're going to lose their  ability

02:51:27.120 --> 02:51:28.455
to determine any development

02:51:28.479 --> 02:51:31.096
application. Tonight earlier we saw

02:51:31.120 --> 02:51:32.936
people come to the chamber and talk

02:51:32.960 --> 02:51:34.776
about what's important to them as far as

02:51:34.800 --> 02:51:37.736
a development application. um that that

02:51:37.760 --> 02:51:40.760
option is  fast closing  unless

02:51:41.200 --> 02:51:43.656
local government manages to turn around

02:51:43.680 --> 02:51:46.680
 the this legislation. It went through

02:51:46.720 --> 02:51:49.496
parliament in 2 months which must be

02:51:49.520 --> 02:51:51.816
pretty fast I think for anything to get

02:51:51.840 --> 02:51:53.576
through the New South Wales parliament.

02:51:53.600 --> 02:51:56.600
It deprivives um the community  of

02:51:57.279 --> 02:51:58.936
democratic governance in planning

02:51:58.960 --> 02:52:00.856
decisions are contentious because they

02:52:00.880 --> 02:52:03.880
affect lots of people and they they have

02:52:04.080 --> 02:52:06.056
longlasting effect. look at the decision

02:52:06.080 --> 02:52:08.295
on the Ellton Drive extension just as

02:52:08.319 --> 02:52:11.319
one example.  and  I we don't know

02:52:12.160 --> 02:52:14.536
half of of of I think we don't know half

02:52:14.560 --> 02:52:16.536
of what's entailed. The staff comment

02:52:16.560 --> 02:52:18.616
actually shows they haven't even been

02:52:18.640 --> 02:52:20.856
told how this is going to work. So I

02:52:20.880 --> 02:52:22.375
know that they say they don't have that

02:52:22.399 --> 02:52:24.455
information, but I would like the

02:52:24.479 --> 02:52:27.096
council to receive an update, a report

02:52:27.120 --> 02:52:29.656
as soon as we have that information. 

02:52:29.680 --> 02:52:32.680
because this this is a huge change and

02:52:34.399 --> 02:52:36.136
um the sooner we can get some more

02:52:36.160 --> 02:52:37.816
information about what it means, what

02:52:37.840 --> 02:52:40.136
our role is, what if any role we have

02:52:40.160 --> 02:52:43.160
much at all. How can one person across a

02:52:43.359 --> 02:52:46.359
local government area of 65,000 people

02:52:46.880 --> 02:52:48.696
represent the community? There'll be one

02:52:48.720 --> 02:52:50.375
community representative on a local

02:52:50.399 --> 02:52:52.616
planning panel. It's I mean why elect a

02:52:52.640 --> 02:52:54.776
council of 11 people if you're then

02:52:54.800 --> 02:52:56.696
going to say well one person who's not

02:52:56.720 --> 02:52:59.016
on the council  is going to represent

02:52:59.040 --> 02:53:00.455
the community's views I think it's

02:53:00.479 --> 02:53:02.216
ludicrous.

02:53:02.240 --> 02:53:03.736
Thank you councelor Willis. Is there

02:53:03.760 --> 02:53:04.936
further discussion on the notice of

02:53:04.960 --> 02:53:06.936
motion?

02:53:06.960 --> 02:53:08.455
I just make a very quick comment that

02:53:08.479 --> 02:53:11.415
this has been a it was a very hot topic

02:53:11.439 --> 02:53:13.415
not only at conference that we just

02:53:13.439 --> 02:53:15.496
attended but at country may the week

02:53:15.520 --> 02:53:17.976
before that at regional cities the day

02:53:18.000 --> 02:53:20.295
before that. This is a hot button issues

02:53:20.319 --> 02:53:21.976
particularly with regional councils.

02:53:22.000 --> 02:53:23.736
There's a lot of mayers and councils

02:53:23.760 --> 02:53:25.656
that had absolutely no idea about this

02:53:25.680 --> 02:53:27.016
main change that's coming and they're

02:53:27.040 --> 02:53:28.856
furious about it and so be very

02:53:28.880 --> 02:53:30.295
interesting to see what happens from

02:53:30.319 --> 02:53:32.056
here. If there's no further discussion,

02:53:32.080 --> 02:53:33.656
we can put the motion. All those in

02:53:33.680 --> 02:53:36.616
favor that's unanimous and carried. So

02:53:36.640 --> 02:53:39.335
we're now on to

02:53:39.359 --> 02:53:42.295
questions with notice. So 14.1 question

02:53:42.319 --> 02:53:43.816
with notice. Solid fuel heater

02:53:43.840 --> 02:53:46.056
installations 202425

02:53:46.080 --> 02:53:48.776
moved by councelor Willis.

02:53:48.800 --> 02:53:50.536
Um there I was going to suggest we could

02:53:50.560 --> 02:53:51.576
just move all three.

02:53:51.600 --> 02:53:53.016
Okay, we're happy to move them all in

02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:55.496
globo together. Okay, so who's happy to

02:53:55.520 --> 02:53:57.016
move that one? Councelor Preston, second

02:53:57.040 --> 02:53:58.455
to councelor Willis and we'll go. Is

02:53:58.479 --> 02:54:01.479
there discussion on any of 14.1 to 14.3?

02:54:01.920 --> 02:54:02.936
No.

02:54:02.960 --> 02:54:04.536
Councelor Grundy.

02:54:04.560 --> 02:54:06.136
 thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just want to

02:54:06.160 --> 02:54:09.160
make a a comment and ask a question. um

02:54:09.359 --> 02:54:11.016
14.1.

02:54:11.040 --> 02:54:14.040
 the numbers here represent standalone

02:54:14.560 --> 02:54:17.560
applications only. Um can we determine

02:54:18.800 --> 02:54:21.800
within those numbers which of these 

02:54:23.040 --> 02:54:25.496
which of these represent upgrades to

02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:27.976
more modern emissions efficient heaters

02:54:28.000 --> 02:54:31.000
from um older existing less efficient

02:54:31.520 --> 02:54:33.736
heaters? Have we got that ability to

02:54:33.760 --> 02:54:36.696
determine within the numbers?

02:54:36.720 --> 02:54:38.776
Um through you Mr. Mayor. That's a whole

02:54:38.800 --> 02:54:40.856
manual process. I didn't want to think

02:54:40.880 --> 02:54:43.496
how many hours it would take me to to do

02:54:43.520 --> 02:54:44.936
any more than with what we could with

02:54:44.960 --> 02:54:45.736
this report.

02:54:45.760 --> 02:54:47.736
Fair enough. Yep. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

02:54:47.760 --> 02:54:50.216
Council Broadman. Um through you, Mr.

02:54:50.240 --> 02:54:53.240
Mayor, how many hours did it take?

02:54:54.160 --> 02:54:56.136
So through you, Mr. Mayor, to get this

02:54:56.160 --> 02:54:58.216
report, this was fairly straightforward

02:54:58.240 --> 02:55:01.240
because um this reports captured

02:55:01.760 --> 02:55:03.656
standalone applications of a certain

02:55:03.680 --> 02:55:05.656
type. So that's a straightforward

02:55:05.680 --> 02:55:08.216
digital process, but it's now a manual

02:55:08.240 --> 02:55:11.240
process to actually then take um those

02:55:12.000 --> 02:55:14.056
um application numbers and actually go

02:55:14.080 --> 02:55:16.616
through them like a a human in front of

02:55:16.640 --> 02:55:18.856
a computer going through the plans, then

02:55:18.880 --> 02:55:21.096
understanding if there was inspections,

02:55:21.120 --> 02:55:22.696
if it was an upgrade, what the previous

02:55:22.720 --> 02:55:25.176
situation was. So it's a mini history

02:55:25.200 --> 02:55:28.200
search on each item really.

02:55:28.880 --> 02:55:30.455
Councelor Willis.

02:55:30.479 --> 02:55:32.536
 yes, through you, Mayor. So, we

02:55:32.560 --> 02:55:35.176
really have no way of knowing  how

02:55:35.200 --> 02:55:36.536
many wood heaters, whether they're

02:55:36.560 --> 02:55:38.216
replacement or otherwise, are being

02:55:38.240 --> 02:55:41.016
installed across the LGA. We have no way

02:55:41.040 --> 02:55:43.816
of easily tracking it.

02:55:43.840 --> 02:55:45.255
I think that's correct. Is there further

02:55:45.279 --> 02:55:47.976
discussion on any of these three items?

02:55:48.000 --> 02:55:49.335
If not, we'll put the motion. All those

02:55:49.359 --> 02:55:52.359
in favor that is unanimous and carried.

02:55:52.640 --> 02:55:54.455
So, I think we're now up to the notice

02:55:54.479 --> 02:55:55.816
of intention deal of matters in close

02:55:55.840 --> 02:55:58.840
session. Excellent. So, need to read out

02:56:06.720 --> 02:56:09.576
Thank you, general manager. So, pursuant

02:56:09.600 --> 02:56:10.856
to section 10A of the local government

02:56:10.880 --> 02:56:13.736
act 9993, the following items on the

02:56:13.760 --> 02:56:16.375
agenda for the ordinary county meeting

02:56:16.399 --> 02:56:17.976
be dealt with in closed session for the

02:56:18.000 --> 02:56:20.216
reasons specified as as per the business

02:56:20.240 --> 02:56:22.696
paper. So, item 16.1, Thornform Place,

02:56:22.720 --> 02:56:24.616
Gerald Bombra, new crossing facilities

02:56:24.640 --> 02:56:26.136
and shared user path for primary school

02:56:26.160 --> 02:56:27.496
construction. So, I'm going to move that

02:56:27.520 --> 02:56:28.856
that we move into close session. Second

02:56:28.880 --> 02:56:30.295
to councelor Broadbent. We'll put that

02:56:30.319 --> 02:56:32.455
motion. All in favor, unanimous and

02:56:32.479 --> 02:56:35.479
carried.

02:56:35.920 --> 02:56:37.415
Now back in open session, I'll read

02:56:37.439 --> 02:56:39.016
through the decisions council made in

02:56:39.040 --> 02:56:41.176
close session. So item 16.1, which is

02:56:41.200 --> 02:56:43.096
the RFT for Firethornne place, Jer

02:56:43.120 --> 02:56:44.696
Bombber new crossing facilities and

02:56:44.720 --> 02:56:47.720
shared user path for primary school. It

02:56:47.920 --> 02:56:49.496
was resolved that council award contract

02:56:49.520 --> 02:56:52.520
number 202593 for the firethornne place

02:56:52.800 --> 02:56:54.616
Jerobomber new crossing facilities and

02:56:54.640 --> 02:56:55.976
shared user path for primary school

02:56:56.000 --> 02:56:58.295
construction to cord civil pty ltd for

02:56:58.319 --> 02:57:01.319
the contract amount of $314,452

02:57:02.000 --> 02:57:04.375
excluding GST. The councils have reached

02:57:04.399 --> 02:57:05.896
the end of the business paper. The time

02:57:05.920 --> 02:57:08.216
is $843 declared the meeting closed.

02:57:08.240 --> 02:57:11.240
Thank you staff. Thank you councilors.