WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:02.216 Good evening everyone and welcome to the 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:04.295 ordinary meeting of council for the 10th 00:00:04.319 --> 00:00:07.255 of September 2025. A reminder to all in 00:00:07.279 --> 00:00:09.176 attendance that tonight's meeting is 00:00:09.200 --> 00:00:10.776 being webcast live and a recording of 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.096 the meeting will be archived to 00:00:13.120 --> 00:00:15.575 councilor's website. 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.095 I begin today by acknowledging the 00:00:17.119 --> 00:00:18.856 traditional custodians of the land that 00:00:18.880 --> 00:00:20.936 we are all meeting on today. Pay my 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:22.776 respects to their Elders past, present 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:25.415 and emerging. I also extend that respect 00:00:25.439 --> 00:00:26.936 to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.015 people here today and we acknowledge the 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.736 stories, traditions and living cultures 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.055 of Aboriginal Torres Strait islander peoples 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:35.896 on this land and commit to building a 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:38.136 brighter future together. 00:00:38.160 --> 00:00:39.896 I note that we have councelor Preston 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:42.215 joining us via zoom this evening already 00:00:42.239 --> 00:00:45.239 done a bit of a test on if he can 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.399 hear us or not. So we'll move on to 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.055 the next item which is apologies. We 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:53.576 note that the application for leave of 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.336 absence from councelor Winchester for 00:00:55.360 --> 00:00:56.695 tonight's meeting was approved on the 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.576 9th of July 2025. We also have an 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:01.496 apology from councelor Schweiert who is 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:03.896 unable to attend tonight. I move that 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:05.976 the apology for non-attendance from 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:07.736 councelor Schweiert be received and that 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:09.576 the leave of absence be granted. Can I 00:01:09.600 --> 00:01:12.536 get a seconder? Councelor Willis and 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:14.296 then I'll put that motion all those 00:01:14.320 --> 00:01:16.775 in favor that is unanimous and that is 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.799 carried. We also have a leave of absence 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:22.376 request from councelor Waterhouse. I 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.296 move that council approve the leave of 00:01:24.320 --> 00:01:26.616 absence application submitted by 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.376 councelor Bill Waterhouse for the 12th 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.176 of November 2025 council meeting. Can I 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:32.696 please have a seconder? Seconded by 00:01:32.720 --> 00:01:34.696 councelor McDonald. 00:01:34.720 --> 00:01:37.720 Oh, so sad. 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:39.816 I will put the motion all those in 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.536 favour that is unanimous and that is 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:45.560 unanimously carried. 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.135 I have confirmation for minutes. I 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:49.176 will move that the minutes of the 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.095 ordinary meeting of council held in the 00:01:51.119 --> 00:01:53.656 Nelly Hamilton Centre on Wednesday, 27th 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:55.976 of August, 2025 be confirmed. Can I have 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.000 a seconder? Seconded by councelor 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:02.040 Taskovski. I will is there any 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:04.856 discussions on the minutes? No 00:02:04.880 --> 00:02:07.656 discussions. I will now put the 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.896 motion. All those in favor that is 00:02:09.920 --> 00:02:11.816 unanimous and carried. And I forgot to 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:14.376 look at you on the screen, councelor. 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.696 Preston, so I'll remember that 00:02:16.720 --> 00:02:19.720 you're there. moving on now to 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.536 disclosure of interest. I will move the 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.016 that counselors and staff now disclose 00:02:25.040 --> 00:02:27.496 any interest and reasons for declaring 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:28.935 such interest in the matters under 00:02:28.959 --> 00:02:30.536 consideration by council at this 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:32.456 meeting. Can I please have a seconder 00:02:32.480 --> 00:02:35.480 by council McDonald thank 00:02:35.920 --> 00:02:37.575 you. And I will now put the motion. All 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.599 those in favor that is unanimous and is 00:02:40.720 --> 00:02:42.215 carried. 00:02:42.239 --> 00:02:43.896 00:02:43.920 --> 00:02:46.456 councilors, do we have any disclosures? 00:02:46.480 --> 00:02:49.096 Councelor McDonald. 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.120 thank you chair. I have a 00:02:53.040 --> 00:02:54.536 non-pecuniary 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.560 not less than significant interest 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.840 in item 9.2 which is QPRC annual 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.536 community grants 202526 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:06.935 which appears on page seven of the 00:03:06.959 --> 00:03:09.896 business paper and the reason is 00:03:09.920 --> 00:03:12.855 that I am a member of one of the 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.176 organization which receives a benefit 00:03:15.200 --> 00:03:18.200 being wildare and I propose to leave the 00:03:18.640 --> 00:03:21.256 chamber for the duration of that 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.656 matter. 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.256 Thank you councelor McDonald. Is there 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.135 any other disclosures 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.215 council what else? 00:03:30.239 --> 00:03:33.239 Yes, thanks chair. I also am a member of 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:36.056 wildcare and it's the same matter. It's 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.080 a grant of no fee for Wildcare to use 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.896 the Lechworth Center. I'm a life 00:03:41.920 --> 00:03:44.456 member of that organization. It's less 00:03:44.480 --> 00:03:47.480 than significant. It is non-pecuniary as 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.536 there's no benefits to me personally. 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.495 and I will attend the outside of the 00:03:53.519 --> 00:03:56.519 chamber with councelor McDonald. 00:03:56.640 --> 00:03:59.336 Thank you, Councelor Waterhouse. 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.360 councelor Willis. 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.400 Thank you. I can't see my copy of the 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.056 declaration that I lodged last night. 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.080 Oh, okay. Thank you so I have a 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.775 pecuniary interest in item 9.2, the 00:04:14.799 --> 00:04:17.335 annual community grants a deputy 00:04:17.359 --> 00:04:19.175 treasurer of Queanbeyan Land Care, which 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:20.935 would derive a financial benefit from 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:23.959 the proposed access to category Hire for 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.856 monthly meetings and AGM during not 00:04:26.880 --> 00:04:29.656 2526. , I will leave the meeting and 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.680 not vote. 00:04:32.960 --> 00:04:35.256 six. 00:04:35.280 --> 00:04:37.016 Sorry, I was seen you counting, but six 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.040 we've got, um enough that will be in 00:04:40.080 --> 00:04:42.216 there. 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.856 all right, councilors, thank you 00:04:44.880 --> 00:04:47.096 for that. And we've noted that to 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.735 close disclosures of interest I'll 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:51.496 move to the next item, which is the 00:04:51.520 --> 00:04:54.376 public forum. I will move the that the 00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:56.376 meeting now be adjourned to conduct the 00:04:56.400 --> 00:04:58.296 public forum can I please have a 00:04:58.320 --> 00:05:01.320 second councelor Willis thank you. I 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:02.936 we'll now put the motion. All those in 00:05:02.960 --> 00:05:04.856 favor 00:05:04.880 --> 00:05:07.880 that is unanimous and carried. we're 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:09.895 now in the public forum and a reminder 00:05:09.919 --> 00:05:11.895 that the public forum is also being 00:05:11.919 --> 00:05:13.656 live streamed. 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.455 We have one and we have one presenter 00:05:16.479 --> 00:05:18.936 via Zoom this evening and there will 00:05:18.960 --> 00:05:20.696 also be three people presenting in 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.015 person. Bit of a reminder to everyone 00:05:23.039 --> 00:05:25.096 speaking. Please let us know your name. 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:26.856 if you are representing an organization 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:29.256 or business, which agenda item you are 00:05:29.280 --> 00:05:31.416 speaking to, and whether you are for or 00:05:31.440 --> 00:05:32.776 against the recommendation in the 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.856 business paper. You will also have three 00:05:34.880 --> 00:05:36.936 minutes to speak and a reminder bell at 00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:39.960 2 and 1/2 minutes, which and then to 00:05:40.320 --> 00:05:43.320 2 and 1/2 minutes a wind up to 00:05:43.440 --> 00:05:45.175 with 30 seconds left, but we will deal 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:46.936 with the presenter via Zoom first, which 00:05:46.960 --> 00:05:49.960 is Jenna Hinton. 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:01.895 Jenna, are you there? 00:06:01.919 --> 00:06:03.175 Yep, there we go. 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:03.895 You hear me? 00:06:03.919 --> 00:06:05.496 Yep. 00:06:05.520 --> 00:06:07.656 And did you get that just that first bit 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.680 around the 3 minutes and just I'll just 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:13.416 re just repeat it for you just so that 00:06:13.440 --> 00:06:15.816 you know. Um just let us know your name 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:17.175 um and if you're representing an 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:18.856 organization or business, which agenda 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:20.696 item you are speaking to, and whether 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:21.976 you are for or against the 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:23.656 recommendation in the business paper. 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:25.015 You will have three minutes to speak and 00:06:25.039 --> 00:06:26.856 a reminder bell at 2 and a half minutes. 00:06:26.880 --> 00:06:29.096 And I'll hand it over to you. 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:30.936 No problems. Thank you. my name is 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:32.776 Jenna Hinton and I am speaking on behalf 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.656 of Queen Players of which I am the 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:37.816 volunteer president of that committee. 00:06:37.840 --> 00:06:39.416 so Queenian Players is a community 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:41.576 theater group. Um this is item sorry 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:44.600 item 9.4 four of the agenda. and we 00:06:44.880 --> 00:06:47.880 are majority for the recommendation. 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:50.856 Um so Queenian Players is a community 00:06:50.880 --> 00:06:52.295 theater group that has proudly served 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:54.295 the Queen region for 60 years. We are 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:55.656 incre incredibly proud of our 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.656 contributions to local arts and culture 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.816 and the Qian performing arts center has 00:06:59.840 --> 00:07:01.416 been at the heart of our creative work. 00:07:01.440 --> 00:07:03.015 While we welcome the review and the many 00:07:03.039 --> 00:07:04.536 positive outcomes that are articulated 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.376 throughout, I'm speaking today to raise 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:08.536 our concerns about rising costs of venue 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:10.295 hire at the queue and the growing strain 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.376 it is placing on our ability to operate 00:07:12.400 --> 00:07:13.895 sustainably. 00:07:13.919 --> 00:07:16.216 Last year we reported a loss of $50,000 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.240 of which 27,000 are directly attributed 00:07:19.280 --> 00:07:20.615 to productions that were held at the 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:23.096 queue 13,000 to standard oper annual 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.175 operational costs including rates, 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.256 insuranceances and rehearsal venue hire 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:28.696 and the rest to a production held in 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.256 CRA. currently the cost of hiring the 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:33.015 queue not including venue required 00:07:33.039 --> 00:07:34.455 additional eclipse lighting and sound 00:07:34.479 --> 00:07:36.455 equipment and labor expenses accounts 00:07:36.479 --> 00:07:38.696 for nearly 35% of our total production 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.175 expenses and with including additional 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.199 eclipse costs rise to around 60 to 65%. 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.376 Over the past decade this has forced us 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:47.735 to raise our ticket prices by 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.295 approximately 30% just to b cover 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:52.376 basic costs. While we have worked hard 00:07:52.400 --> 00:07:53.976 to maintain affordability for our 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:55.895 audiences this is becoming increasingly 00:07:55.919 --> 00:07:58.136 difficult. We fear that continued price 00:07:58.160 --> 00:07:59.816 increases will put our productions out 00:07:59.840 --> 00:08:01.656 of reach for many in the community, 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.416 especially families and those on lower 00:08:03.440 --> 00:08:05.656 incomes. As a not for-p profofit 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:07.976 volunteer-run organization, every dollar 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.816 we spend is carefully considered. The 00:08:09.840 --> 00:08:11.096 queue provides a professional 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:12.855 highquality space that enhances the 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.015 performance experience for both artists 00:08:15.039 --> 00:08:17.976 and audiences, and we value that deeply. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.336 But the current higher fees are making 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:21.015 it more difficult each year to continue 00:08:21.039 --> 00:08:22.776 to produce theater at the level our 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.175 community expects and deserves. I'd 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.015 point to the $5 ticketing fee issued to 00:08:27.039 --> 00:08:28.696 hireers with no option but to use the 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:30.936 venue's ticketing agency costing QP 00:08:30.960 --> 00:08:33.895 around $10 to $19,000 per show with no 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.536 value add to our organization itself. 00:08:36.560 --> 00:08:38.375 We're calling on the council to consider 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:41.015 what can be done to ease this financial 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.976 pressure 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.216 on local community arts groups who 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:47.815 genuinely work on a non-for-profit 00:08:47.839 --> 00:08:50.056 rather than for-profit model whether 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:51.656 through subsidized rates operational 00:08:51.680 --> 00:08:54.680 grants for the council 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:57.096 to support and preserve the cultural 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.016 life of our city. While there are many 00:08:59.040 --> 00:09:00.776 grant opportunities available, we often 00:09:00.800 --> 00:09:02.296 find that we are not eligible due to the 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.136 nature of our productions. Community 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:05.896 theater is more than entertainment. It 00:09:05.920 --> 00:09:07.656 builds skills, fosters creativity, and 00:09:07.680 --> 00:09:09.416 brings people together. Without action, 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:11.336 we are genuinely concerned about the 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.016 future viability of Queenium Players and 00:09:13.040 --> 00:09:14.776 similar non for-profit groups. We ask 00:09:14.800 --> 00:09:16.056 that the council work with us to ensure 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:17.176 the queue remains accessible, 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:18.776 affordable, and truly a venue for the 00:09:18.800 --> 00:09:21.800 whole community. Thank you. That was it. 00:09:21.839 --> 00:09:23.976 Thank you, Jenna. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.656 We will now listen to the presenters in 00:09:25.680 --> 00:09:27.336 the room and in order of the items they 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.255 are speaking to. The first speaker that 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.279 we have tonight is Tina Brandt. 00:09:44.560 --> 00:09:46.456 That's okay. 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.480 Okay. Well, hi everybody. my name is 00:09:49.839 --> 00:09:52.375 Tina Brandt and today I'm speaking for 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.456 the motion that is before you and I ask 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.375 that councilors unanimously agree to 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:58.296 pass that motion and that is the motion 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.375 to write to capital football asking that 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.176 they set aside the impeial review. I'm 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:04.856 the national Premier League coordinator 00:10:04.880 --> 00:10:07.736 with Monero Panthers football club, a 00:10:07.760 --> 00:10:10.375 club committee member and volunteer. But 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:12.696 more than that, I'm a mom and only 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:14.696 yesterday I was blessed with my first 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.720 grandchild. I along with now nine 00:10:18.560 --> 00:10:20.456 generations in your local government 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.480 area are citizens of this region. We 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:26.136 vote in your elections. We pay rates and 00:10:26.160 --> 00:10:28.216 taxes and we are staunch advocates for 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:30.696 community and for social cohesion. 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.176 Almost 60 years ago, Monero Panthers was 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:35.656 established. Italian migrants to this 00:10:35.680 --> 00:10:37.736 region saw back then what still holds 00:10:37.760 --> 00:10:40.536 true today. Sports like football or 00:10:40.560 --> 00:10:43.560 soccer hold immense value in society, 00:10:43.920 --> 00:10:45.896 providing and building connections, 00:10:45.920 --> 00:10:47.896 bridging social and cultural gaps, 00:10:47.920 --> 00:10:49.576 creating a sense of belonging and 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.736 improving physical and mental health. 00:10:51.760 --> 00:10:53.416 But overall, sport brings people 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:55.896 together. Monero Panthers brings people 00:10:55.920 --> 00:10:58.456 together. Monero Panthers binds families 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:00.375 to one another and to their community. 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.456 Monero Panthers contributes actively to 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.856 better citizens, teaching life skills 00:11:04.880 --> 00:11:06.456 such as leadership, resilience, and 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.375 teamwork. We're not afraid to fight for 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.216 what is right and to be the voice for 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:13.176 our Panthers families. Monero Panthers 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.776 does all of this and more for the 00:11:14.800 --> 00:11:17.336 children in your LGA. Using the most 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.495 recent census data, we know that in the 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.519 2025 season, of those aged 5 to9 years, 00:11:23.920 --> 00:11:26.296 6% of your citizens played for Monero 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.320 Panthers. Of those aged 10 to 18 years, 00:11:29.680 --> 00:11:31.736 7 and a half% of your citizens played 00:11:31.760 --> 00:11:34.375 for Monero Panthers. Monero Panthers 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:35.976 plays in many levels and types of 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.536 competition for all age groups, all 00:11:38.560 --> 00:11:40.856 interests and skill levels. And all of 00:11:40.880 --> 00:11:42.696 this is conducted under the regulations 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.696 established by Football Australia. 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:46.216 Capital football are the federated 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.296 member of football Australia and this 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:49.576 means that they are the governing body 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.375 for our sport at the local level. As is 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.055 their right, Capital football are 00:11:54.079 --> 00:11:56.055 expected to conduct reviews and to make 00:11:56.079 --> 00:11:58.696 improvements to the competition. Yet in 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:00.856 conducting this MPL review, Monero 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:02.616 Panthers feels that Capital Football did 00:12:02.640 --> 00:12:04.935 not consult widely or deeply with their 00:12:04.959 --> 00:12:07.016 members and importantly the timing of 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:09.976 the review processes was poor. And this 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.495 has had a direct effect on the ability 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.736 of Monero Panthers to attract players 00:12:13.760 --> 00:12:16.456 keen, skilled, and ready to play in the 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.416 2025 MP boys competition. Capital 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:20.935 football acted in a manner that saw 00:12:20.959 --> 00:12:23.176 disadvantage for Monero Panthers rather 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.255 than improve our ability to compete in 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.055 the MPL boys competition. Put simply, 00:12:28.079 --> 00:12:29.976 Capital Football's actions robbed Monero 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.055 Panthers of the opportunity to advertise 00:12:32.079 --> 00:12:35.016 and seek players for the competition. I 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:36.696 also believe that members of our wider 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.456 Monero Panthers community have provided 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:39.976 you with greater detail in written 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.375 submissions of the MPL review and I hope 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:43.976 and trust that you've been able to read 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.216 those submissions. Monero Panthers 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:47.576 doesn't have any issue with Capital 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:49.736 Football's right to do this. Monero 00:12:49.760 --> 00:12:51.656 Panthers simply wants a fair go for our 00:12:51.680 --> 00:12:54.136 players and their families and for Queen 00:12:54.160 --> 00:12:57.160 Ben. 00:12:57.839 --> 00:13:00.055 Thank you, Miss Brandt. Our next speaker 00:13:00.079 --> 00:13:03.079 is Luke Martin. 00:13:09.680 --> 00:13:11.176 good evening ladies and gents. My 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.096 name's Luke Martin. Um I live in 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.656 Bangodor. I'm a father of a Monero youth 00:13:15.680 --> 00:13:18.296 player. I'm here mo in support of 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.696 motion 12.3 the capital football 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:22.856 review. I support this motion and assert 00:13:22.880 --> 00:13:24.935 the capital football review has been 00:13:24.959 --> 00:13:27.416 based on a lack of evidence and is both 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.976 flawed and unfair. capital football 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.216 has always asserted that its review 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:34.536 has been based on consultation. this 00:13:34.560 --> 00:13:37.016 is untrue. their consultation was 00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:39.096 poor and limited at best. It conducted 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.416 only two meetings with all clubs 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.440 in the ACT football region. Um and the 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:46.935 the last of those meetings was conducted 00:13:46.959 --> 00:13:48.776 in February this year. That only 00:13:48.800 --> 00:13:50.216 provided now an outline of the 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.055 preliminary recommendations and it 00:13:52.079 --> 00:13:53.495 was expected by all clubs that there 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.736 will be further consultation before 00:13:55.760 --> 00:13:57.736 final re decisions were made on final 00:13:57.760 --> 00:13:59.736 recommendations and in particular before 00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:02.456 progressing through to implementation. 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:04.136 Despite capital football's assertion 00:14:04.160 --> 00:14:06.296 that it is remains open to dialogue, 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.320 this did not occur. Cap Manaro then 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:10.935 joined a coalition of clubs that wrote 00:14:10.959 --> 00:14:13.096 to Capital Football in May of this year 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:15.495 outlining his concerns with the the 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.216 review outlining requesting a pause 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.055 to the review and requesting a meeting 00:14:20.079 --> 00:14:21.736 with Capital Football to discuss the way 00:14:21.760 --> 00:14:23.255 forward. 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:24.536 A response to this letter was not 00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:26.456 received until 3 months later in August 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:29.255 of this year leaving all clubs in 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.279 an unend unenviable position with 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:34.136 time against them to address those 00:14:34.160 --> 00:14:35.656 issues against that capital football 00:14:35.680 --> 00:14:37.416 review. 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.440 All the QPRC clubs 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.480 represent a large a large population 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.375 catchment in the Eden Monero region. 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.016 However, it's only Monero at the moment 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:52.040 that provides a pathway into the MPL 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.776 youth competition. 00:14:54.800 --> 00:14:56.935 Monero is also the only only club or is 00:14:56.959 --> 00:14:58.696 one of the sorry is one of the few clubs 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.656 in ACT football competition that 00:15:01.680 --> 00:15:03.896 can deliver full pathways from mini ruse 00:15:03.920 --> 00:15:06.055 through to masters and is also one of 00:15:06.079 --> 00:15:07.896 the few clubs that will be able to meet 00:15:07.920 --> 00:15:09.736 all of the licensing requirements to be 00:15:09.760 --> 00:15:12.375 admitted as an MPL club into those 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:14.296 future competitions. 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.856 However, under the MPL framework and 00:15:16.880 --> 00:15:18.935 under this review, 00:15:18.959 --> 00:15:20.696 retention in this competition is based 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.656 purely on club championship points. So 00:15:23.680 --> 00:15:25.896 despite the club investing in doing the 00:15:25.920 --> 00:15:28.136 right thing is likely to find itself 00:15:28.160 --> 00:15:30.935 relegated behind clubs who cannot meet 00:15:30.959 --> 00:15:33.959 those license requirements and as a MPL 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.016 competing club and this is unfair and we 00:15:37.040 --> 00:15:39.416 recommend that this be addressed. Thank 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.416 you for your consideration. 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.216 Thank you Mr. Martin. and our next 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.240 speaker is Jeff Young. 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:57.976 Thank you, Deputy Mayor and 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.055 councilors. My name is Jeff Young. I am 00:16:00.079 --> 00:16:02.696 also a member of Gooong. Been living 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:04.696 here for 10 years in the in the 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:06.216 region of which I've been part of the 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.776 club for 10 years. In that 10 years, the 00:16:08.800 --> 00:16:11.096 club has gone through three different 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.336 additions of national Premier League, 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:15.175 Capital Premier League back into 00:16:15.199 --> 00:16:16.696 National Premier League. Each 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.720 opportunity we have um met with um with 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.136 problems and causes. We have lost 00:16:22.160 --> 00:16:23.896 players to other team other clubs who 00:16:23.920 --> 00:16:25.735 retain in the National Premier League 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:27.815 which has resulted in um our capital 00:16:27.839 --> 00:16:29.976 Premier League teams being less than as 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.935 we the the talent we require. Those 00:16:32.959 --> 00:16:35.959 talented players of note we have 12 in 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.055 other clubs at the current stage who 00:16:38.079 --> 00:16:40.216 could strengthen our club. Having to go 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:41.896 up and down from a national Premier 00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:43.255 League to a capital Premier League to a 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.336 national Premier League to relegation 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.055 does not impact the reg or it impacts 00:16:48.079 --> 00:16:50.375 the region significantly. It impacts our 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:51.896 juniors sitting behind me. We have one 00:16:51.920 --> 00:16:53.735 of those players who's actually been in 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:55.016 the environment of National Premier 00:16:55.040 --> 00:16:57.336 League and come back to our club. He now 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:59.016 has to look at opportunities what that 00:16:59.040 --> 00:17:01.656 where he goes next. we are a club 00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:04.055 that meets the meets the AL league the 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.136 licensing agreement. I've just spent 8 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.295 hours for the last two days putting in 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.535 my criteria. Um, and I've still got 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.216 probably another six hours to go on top 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.240 of that. Um, the issue I have with the 00:17:15.360 --> 00:17:16.935 with the review and I was part of the 00:17:16.959 --> 00:17:19.736 review. We were not consulted. We were 00:17:19.760 --> 00:17:21.576 discussed. Yes, this is what we're going 00:17:21.600 --> 00:17:23.496 to do. We were given a target. You are 00:17:23.520 --> 00:17:26.216 going to go to 10 based on no analysis 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.535 based on any nothing except for we're 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.376 going to 10 teams in this in this 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:31.895 national Premier League men's 00:17:31.919 --> 00:17:33.576 competition. 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:35.816 Youth is a larger physical playing 00:17:35.840 --> 00:17:38.840 capability in the region. We have over 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.880 600 youth players. 600 youth players 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.696 will now not get to but to represent our 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.176 club at the highest level in national 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.736 Premier League or in the region. To do 00:17:49.760 --> 00:17:52.616 that we may have to move offshore. 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.296 This is not something we want to try and 00:17:54.320 --> 00:17:56.216 achieve offshore being back into New 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:59.240 South Wales. The club is committed. It 00:17:59.600 --> 00:18:02.456 has the player talent in the region. It 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.376 has the facilities that you have also 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:07.336 provided well and truly and we have what 00:18:07.360 --> 00:18:09.816 we believe is the license requirement to 00:18:09.840 --> 00:18:11.976 meet a national Premier League program. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.056 All we're asking from Capital Football 00:18:14.080 --> 00:18:17.080 is time. Time to settle our players, 00:18:17.600 --> 00:18:19.655 time to settle our club so that we can 00:18:19.679 --> 00:18:21.895 be competing at the highest of levels 00:18:21.919 --> 00:18:24.456 again at the highest within 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:26.376 restrictions. 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.216 In closing, the other part of this that 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:31.176 annoys me significantly is the 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.576 compliment that the issue was not about 00:18:33.600 --> 00:18:36.376 youth. They are actually looking at 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.376 possible of having players who have 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:39.576 played in the National Premier League 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:41.176 for seven years playing for our senior 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:43.496 club. If we do not have a the National 00:18:43.520 --> 00:18:45.176 Premier League, how do we get seven 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:46.936 players to represent our National 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.736 Premier League men's team in the future? 00:18:49.760 --> 00:18:51.256 Thank you for your time. Thank you for 00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:52.856 consideration and thank you for 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:54.856 supporting motion to for Capital 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.880 Football Review. 00:18:57.919 --> 00:18:59.895 Thank you Mr. Young and thank you to all 00:18:59.919 --> 00:19:01.976 of those that have um presented here 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.895 tonight. We have also received one 00:19:03.919 --> 00:19:06.216 written presentation from Sigfred Edom 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.376 for item 12.3 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:10.775 um the 12.3 notice of motion capital 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:12.616 football review and she is for the 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:15.640 recommendation in the business paper. 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:18.856 There are no petitions for this week's 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.535 meeting but councilors do we have any 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:22.136 petitions to be lodged at the next 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.296 ordinary meeting? 00:19:24.320 --> 00:19:27.320 um advice um sort chair. 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:31.080 is this a point at which we dis 00:19:31.520 --> 00:19:34.520 for um foreshadow the presentation or is 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:36.856 this a point which we have to actually 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.256 lodge the motion the petition for 00:19:39.280 --> 00:19:41.736 discussion at the next meeting? Um if 00:19:41.760 --> 00:19:43.976 it's the former then I foreshadow 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.535 that I will be lodging a petition 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.559 with regards to um road works on 00:19:49.760 --> 00:19:51.976 Matthews Lane which um has been the 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.696 subject of a bit of staff activity and 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:57.720 it's an appreciation to staff and I 00:19:58.080 --> 00:20:01.080 am happy to present that petition 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.000 to the next meeting for council 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.696 meeting. Do I have to say anything? 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.720 Thank you councelor McDonald. 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.136 Um, 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:15.736 questions on notice. A question on 00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:17.496 notice was received for this meeting 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:19.336 regarding the use of virtual fencing on 00:20:19.360 --> 00:20:21.736 roads to reduce native animal strikes. 00:20:21.760 --> 00:20:24.760 The question from Henry Wymer was 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:26.376 accepted. The response has been 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.376 circulated to councilors and is now 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.936 considered tabled at this meeting. The 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:32.216 response will be provided to the 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:33.895 submitter and included in the minutes of 00:20:33.919 --> 00:20:36.135 this public forum. Councilors, that 00:20:36.159 --> 00:20:37.976 concludes the public forum and we will 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:40.456 reconvene the meeting. Um we will now 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:42.616 move to the first item for determination 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:43.015 which 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.039 chair before we do might I um ask that 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.176 um the matter which I have previously 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:52.200 circulated to yourself seeking an 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:55.096 urgent discussion with respect to a 00:20:55.120 --> 00:20:57.336 development application or sorry yes the 00:20:57.360 --> 00:20:59.416 terms of a development application on 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.296 Crawford Street be discussed. 00:21:02.320 --> 00:21:04.936 Yes. Has everyone seen that email that 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.816 has come through? probably 00:21:07.840 --> 00:21:10.056 council. I will um I am going to be 00:21:10.080 --> 00:21:11.336 taking Yep. 00:21:11.360 --> 00:21:11.895 Mhm. 00:21:11.919 --> 00:21:13.895 we're you haven't closed the public 00:21:13.919 --> 00:21:16.856 forum. Yes. So we're we're not in the 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:17.416 right 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.440 I I I did I said that we now closed the 00:21:21.360 --> 00:21:23.816 um the public forum and was moving to 00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:26.840 item 9.1. 00:21:27.760 --> 00:21:29.895 okay. Well, 00:21:29.919 --> 00:21:31.576 yeah. 00:21:31.600 --> 00:21:34.600 Thank you. Um yes, councelor Wilson and 00:21:35.840 --> 00:21:38.216 I will move slowly through this. I I 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:38.936 just want to 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.960 sorry um chair just in terms of 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.400 procedure um and and you might seek 00:21:45.679 --> 00:21:47.256 advice from the general management. It's 00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:49.655 my understanding that the matter cannot 00:21:49.679 --> 00:21:51.976 be discussed or debated. that no 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.736 other counselor can talk to the matter 00:21:53.760 --> 00:21:55.736 that the chair must make a determination 00:21:55.760 --> 00:21:57.976 as to the urgency or not of the matter. 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:00.456 Yes. and I will slowly work through this 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.015 one with Miss Ryan as this as you know 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.496 I'm just first one that's come up for 00:22:05.520 --> 00:22:07.976 me so you always keep it me on my toes 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.216 councelor McDonald this is Ryan 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.176 may I suggest um deputy mayor that 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.056 councelor McDonald explains to the 00:22:16.080 --> 00:22:18.936 council what his urgency motion is and 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.960 then I can explain how that motion can 00:22:22.080 --> 00:22:24.535 be discussed at the meeting through our 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.376 meeting code of practice 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.296 councelor Donald. 00:22:28.320 --> 00:22:31.320 Thank you, chair. Um, I regret the 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:34.135 lateness of the hour which I sent this. 00:22:34.159 --> 00:22:36.135 I was meeting with businesses until 00:22:36.159 --> 00:22:39.159 quite late and crafted this um with with 00:22:39.840 --> 00:22:42.840 um with not a lot of time on my side. 00:22:43.840 --> 00:22:45.496 Um 00:22:45.520 --> 00:22:48.296 the notice of sorry the urgency 00:22:48.320 --> 00:22:51.320 motion seeks to discuss um 00:22:52.159 --> 00:22:55.159 interalia the the the differences 00:22:56.320 --> 00:22:59.015 between the original 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.039 matter DA 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:05.640 2022 decimal 10002 and the subsequent 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:11.559 or modified DA um which is DA20 2022 00:23:13.760 --> 00:23:16.760 decimal 102 Bravo. 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:19.799 Um and specifically um the the um issues 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.720 around the access to the the site at two 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:29.960 202 to 14 Crawford Street 00:23:31.280 --> 00:23:34.280 and in opposition to what had 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:37.336 previously been debated by council and 00:23:37.360 --> 00:23:39.895 agreed by this council or the previous 00:23:39.919 --> 00:23:42.919 council I should say. um which dictated 00:23:44.080 --> 00:23:46.696 access in a different means being 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.015 through phallic lane. 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.039 Can I just ask what is the motion? 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.015 Yes, the motion is that that matter is 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:56.616 discussed and that councils have the 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.640 opportunity to to um put questions 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:05.000 to understand because 00:24:05.679 --> 00:24:08.216 they are matters which I believe 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.616 there are outstanding questions and 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:13.015 certainly outstanding questions which um 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.176 reside in the in the community and 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.200 those businesses in Crawford Street. 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.240 And now I will just have Miss Ryan. 00:24:21.679 --> 00:24:23.816 Um, thank you, Deputy Mayor. I would be 00:24:23.840 --> 00:24:26.616 asking council McDonald, what is the 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.640 motion that you wish to move? Um, so for 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:32.775 this motion to be discussed at the 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.655 council meeting in terms of clause 9.3 00:24:35.679 --> 00:24:38.535 of our code of meeting practice, 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:39.895 business may be considered at the 00:24:39.919 --> 00:24:41.336 meeting of the council even though due 00:24:41.360 --> 00:24:42.775 notice of the business has not been 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.015 given. If a motion is passed to have the 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:47.736 business considered at the meeting and 00:24:47.760 --> 00:24:49.816 the business to be considered is ruled 00:24:49.840 --> 00:24:52.216 by the chair chairperson to be of great 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.616 urgency on the grounds that it requires 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.775 a decision by the council before the 00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.176 next scheduled ordinary meeting of the 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.200 council. My advice to the deputy mayor 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.096 would be that I would require this to be 00:25:05.120 --> 00:25:07.416 a decision of council and if council 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.576 simply would like a workshop to discuss 00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:11.895 this, I can certainly place this on the 00:25:11.919 --> 00:25:14.775 agenda for a workshop with council next 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.416 week. I will certainly not be allowing 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.895 counselors to interrogate staff without 00:25:19.919 --> 00:25:22.376 due notice um or without a business 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:25.400 paper report. 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.440 Thank you for the advice. through you 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.039 um um chair and there's no intention 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.775 to interrogate stuff. I think there's a 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.799 imputation on the motive um given the 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.255 matter has been 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.496 00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:45.736 discussed adnauseium 00:25:45.760 --> 00:25:48.760 and in very recent days. it's it's 00:25:51.360 --> 00:25:53.816 hardly the intent to to shock anyone or 00:25:53.840 --> 00:25:56.840 or blindside anyone. Indeed. Um the only 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.576 blind siding is I I had no idea about 00:25:59.600 --> 00:26:01.816 the changes to which what was previously 00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:04.840 agreed in that in in saying that um 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.440 might it be that that council meets 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.336 with the council staff meet with 00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:13.736 affected business owners and this is the 00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:15.736 the motion that council staff meet with 00:26:15.760 --> 00:26:18.135 affected business owners 00:26:18.159 --> 00:26:21.159 to discuss the terms of the modified 00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:24.360 DA per 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:28.200 previously stated one of those 202. 00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:32.600 Um, 00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:38.376 so 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:40.296 is this where I decide whether this is 00:26:40.320 --> 00:26:43.320 an urgency meeting urgency motion? Um 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.640 I think I'm a bit in agreeance with um 00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:50.775 Miss Ryan in that you know this has just 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:52.456 come to us today and I don't think it is 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.480 of urgency to discuss and that we could 00:26:55.679 --> 00:26:58.456 bring it back to the next meeting but 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:00.535 also organized for a workshop. So I'm 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:02.216 going to deem that this isn't an urgent 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.240 motion um and then leave it at that I 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.640 think if that's the case. 00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:13.080 Done. All right. I'm going to move on 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.775 to and councelor Wilson did you have 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.416 your hand up just to before 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.976 it was in relation to the the forward 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.576 the rest of the program that's all not 00:27:23.600 --> 00:27:25.816 in relation to the urgency matter. 00:27:25.840 --> 00:27:27.655 Yeah. Yeah. I just would like to move a 00:27:27.679 --> 00:27:29.816 procedural motion that we deal with 00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:32.840 item 12.3 first in the business 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:34.135 paper. 00:27:34.159 --> 00:27:35.976 Yep. I seconded that by councelor 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.000 McDonald. Is there any do I need? 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.456 Oh, we'll we'll go counselor 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.480 and then then we could do 94 I think. 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:47.655 Oh, no, it was by Zoom. That's fine. 00:27:47.679 --> 00:27:49.416 We'll just do 9 12. Yeah, sorry. My 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.936 apologies. Thank you councelor McDonald 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.015 for the steer there. 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.056 All in favor? 00:27:54.080 --> 00:27:55.255 Yeah, I've got a second which is 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.279 councelor McDonald. Um and then over to 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.416 you council. All in favor? 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.296 Can I sorry to cut you off? Yeah. Is 00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:06.216 that for football motion to be? 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:07.576 Yes. So, we're moving a procedural 00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:08.296 motion to bring 00:28:08.320 --> 00:28:10.775 it public. It'll be better. 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.616 No, it's public, but we're moving it 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.640 forward to to now. So, um we've got it 00:28:15.919 --> 00:28:17.895 it moved by councelor Wilson, seconded 00:28:17.919 --> 00:28:19.416 by councelor McDonald. All those in 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.440 favor, that is unanimous and carried. 00:28:24.159 --> 00:28:25.895 Councelor Wilson. 00:28:25.919 --> 00:28:28.919 thank you, Chair. and thank you 00:28:29.679 --> 00:28:31.496 to the Monero Panthers community 00:28:31.520 --> 00:28:32.775 that's come out tonight. Thank you, 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.216 Tina. Thank you, Luke, and thank you, 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.240 Jeff. Um, , I think we've all heard, 00:28:37.760 --> 00:28:38.775 , 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.496 sorry. Um, we now need to we move the 00:28:41.520 --> 00:28:44.135 procedural motion. I now move the, 00:28:44.159 --> 00:28:44.375 um, 00:28:44.399 --> 00:28:45.416 I thought you were going to do it, M 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.616 chair. That's right. 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:48.456 Sorry. Sorry. You just got to slow down 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.176 for me, but I'm going to now move to the 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.200 notice of motion for 12.3. Um, moved by 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.056 councelor Wilson. 00:28:58.080 --> 00:28:59.736 Who it is? And you're moving it by the 00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:00.775 business paper. 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.856 Yep. and then seconded by councelor 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.336 McDonald. Councelor Wilson, would you 00:29:05.360 --> 00:29:07.015 like to speak to the notice of motion? 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.775 It's all good. Thank you, Chair. We're 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.176 just very keen to support support the 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.696 community. I think that's that's for 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:14.936 sure. and thank you again, guys, for 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.336 outlining what you have 00:29:17.360 --> 00:29:20.360 articulated as a flawed process. and 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.696 I suppose that is my commentary on this. 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.535 I've moved this particular item is just 00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.559 to sort of say why this matters 00:29:27.919 --> 00:29:29.816 for this chamber tonight and why it's 00:29:29.840 --> 00:29:31.576 important to make these representations 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:34.600 to capital football and to um the 00:29:35.600 --> 00:29:37.976 state ACT sports minister and the New 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.375 South Wales sports minister um and you 00:29:40.399 --> 00:29:42.216 could probably also I won't move his 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.240 amendment but just CC in um football 00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:48.056 federation Australia as well I would say 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:51.080 um look it matters because obviously 00:29:51.120 --> 00:29:52.775 as we've heard it's such an important 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.616 community club participation. Football 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.015 is our biggest participation. It matters 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:58.535 because sorry is our biggest 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.255 participation sport. It matters because 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.895 um if if if cap there's a lot of there's 00:30:03.919 --> 00:30:05.895 a lot of acronyms, a lot of NPL, CPLs, 00:30:05.919 --> 00:30:07.736 but effectively what Capital football is 00:30:07.760 --> 00:30:08.856 trying to do is move a lot of the 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.936 juniors, move our juniors, the Monero 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.096 juniors out of that premier 00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:14.856 competition and that will have flow on 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.775 effects to our seniors and to those 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.176 juniors facing development. Monero has 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:20.775 taken the right decision in developing 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.216 these juniors. They've not played for 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.895 the win every game. They've they're 00:30:23.919 --> 00:30:25.176 trying to build a better football 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.255 community which is sort of what you know 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:28.856 Cap Football Federation Australia is 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:30.375 trying to do as well. and they've 00:30:30.399 --> 00:30:32.135 effectively been punished midstream I 00:30:32.159 --> 00:30:34.616 think. So hence you know it's it's a 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.696 it's a flawed decision and it needs to 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.255 be looked at. Um and then secondly it 00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:40.775 matters because of our facility. So 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.296 here's the that matters to all rate 00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:45.255 payers. We pay actually all of us um pay 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.416 to pay off the regional sports hub where 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.736 Monero play all their games. And I can 00:30:49.760 --> 00:30:51.576 see us see down the track, which is what 00:30:51.600 --> 00:30:54.600 Jeff was was was leaning towards 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.176 where Monero can't meet that junior 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:58.856 requirement. They moved out of the the 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.880 the premier competition in the area and 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:03.576 then our facilities aren't being used. 00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:06.456 We're still paying that $400,000 plus 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.056 in our interest and dividend and 00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:09.176 principal and interest and all the 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.255 maintenance as well. So, this matters 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.856 for us financially. It matters for us in 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.176 the community. And I just um recommend 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.200 the motion to the chamber. Thank you. 00:31:18.320 --> 00:31:20.375 Thank you, Councelor Wilson. , Council 00:31:20.399 --> 00:31:22.616 McDonald, would you like to speak to it? 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.640 Um, thank you, Chair. Um, and thank you 00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:28.840 also to those who attended and and and 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.456 those who contributed and particularly 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.480 Miss Brandt. , congratulations on 00:31:33.600 --> 00:31:36.296 on your news of becoming a grandparent 00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:38.135 for the first time. 00:31:38.159 --> 00:31:41.159 Fantastic. Next, , and I'm sure you've 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.519 got a a jersey ready to go. Um I think 00:31:45.120 --> 00:31:47.736 for the reasons the speakers um 00:31:47.760 --> 00:31:49.976 articulated and that that councelor 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.216 Wilson talked about this is um 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.936 reasonable um that council makes 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.960 representations big. Yes, it's not a a a 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.216 a council asset. It's not a council 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.936 club. Um there is of course some 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.255 intersection with our facilities, but 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.279 more importantly I'd argue this is 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.736 about our community and and and 00:32:11.760 --> 00:32:14.760 developing young people with a um a 00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:18.056 sense of community which um which 00:32:18.080 --> 00:32:20.775 football and indeed sporting groups 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.799 do routinely and voluntarily. 00:32:25.360 --> 00:32:28.360 they um the the the 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.056 impact of the of the review which I I 00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:37.015 did try to understand which when I 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.039 learned of this matter is that stated 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.640 it it caps out at 10 clubs and then then 00:32:44.159 --> 00:32:47.159 doesn't provide that pathway to to u the 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.440 juniors and we have one here into a into 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.336 a professional pathway and and that 00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:55.495 should be for those who want to for 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.416 those who want to get out and kick the 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.216 ball and and and have a a fun time, 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.296 that should absolutely be something 00:33:02.320 --> 00:33:04.135 they're encouraged to do. But for those 00:33:04.159 --> 00:33:07.096 who want to make football their life 00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:10.120 and and indeed their career, clubs 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.096 ought to have where they meet those 00:33:13.120 --> 00:33:16.120 criteria. the um ability to promote 00:33:17.600 --> 00:33:20.600 and provide that pathway without frankly 00:33:21.120 --> 00:33:24.120 um arbitrary bureaucracy dictating 00:33:24.159 --> 00:33:27.159 otherwise. So I I I thank again those 00:33:27.919 --> 00:33:30.919 who who came to speak in support. and 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.176 I think it is right and proper that that 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.176 this council supports our community 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.200 through this motion. And I hope that the 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.176 that the chair and and the president, 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.200 the CEO and and directors at Capital 00:33:44.399 --> 00:33:47.399 Football are aware to our advocacy 00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:51.255 and and he the calls of this council 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.655 and our community. 00:33:53.679 --> 00:33:55.495 Thank you, Councelor McDonald. Is there 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.495 any speakers against the motion just 00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:58.216 before 00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:59.015 for the motion? 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.696 Oh, well against because we've had a 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:01.576 four. 00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:02.775 Yep. 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:04.616 Oh, if there's none, then I'll open the 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.296 floor. Councelor Willis. 00:34:06.320 --> 00:34:08.456 Yeah. I'm I'm seeking a clarification 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.855 because I'm happy to support the 00:34:10.879 --> 00:34:13.496 motion and thank the speakers for bring 00:34:13.520 --> 00:34:16.216 coming to speak to us about it. Um, what 00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:19.240 I'm concerned about is the the comment 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.296 in support of it and I'm I'm just an 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.320 element of it and I a couple of 00:34:25.839 --> 00:34:28.839 meetings ago we declined to endorse the 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:31.655 future use of the regional sports 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.679 complex until we had completed the 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.296 review of the business plan. And here in 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.936 the final paragraph of councelor 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.696 Wilson's comments in support of this 00:34:42.720 --> 00:34:45.655 notice of motion, he says, "And further, 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.736 it is our intention that council affirms 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.976 its commitments to local football clubs 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.055 having priority access to the South 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.079 Jerobom Jerobombora regional sports 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.599 complex etc. So um I just want to be 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.960 very clear that that is not that 00:35:03.040 --> 00:35:06.040 view well I don't share that view and 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.079 that we are not going to um convey that 00:35:10.240 --> 00:35:13.095 view in any communications which this 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.119 motion um sets in train. So that's a 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.616 question through you to councelor 00:35:18.640 --> 00:35:20.136 Wilson. 00:35:20.160 --> 00:35:22.536 Councelor Wilson. 00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:25.416 thank you chair. well, I I 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.055 obviously have that view. I think this 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.079 came up when the thekuma Tigers FC I 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:32.696 think wanted to to lease the venue and 00:35:32.720 --> 00:35:34.696 we said, "Look, we're not sure about how 00:35:34.720 --> 00:35:36.136 it fits in there. We need to think about 00:35:36.160 --> 00:35:37.815 the local clubs." So, I've put that 00:35:37.839 --> 00:35:40.376 there, but we're not passing 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:41.815 Councelor Wilson's comment. We're 00:35:41.839 --> 00:35:44.376 passing what's in bold. Um so, that that 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.296 was what I'd say and it doesn't precurse 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.136 anything, but that's my position 00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:50.296 obviously on the public record. 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.095 Thank you, Council Wilson. Council 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:54.856 Tuskovski. 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.880 Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, I was 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.456 involved in soccer for many years, for 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.480 17 years as the executive of the ICDSF, 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.815 chairman of the ICD Soccer Federation 00:36:05.839 --> 00:36:07.575 1991. 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.256 And I know what's going on behind the 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.280 doors. I'm I'm really happy that someone 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.616 has come up and put the notice of motion 00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:17.095 for both clubs. All of us these two 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.119 clubs have been target from ICD. If 00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:22.856 little bit goes wrong at least they got 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.936 to give them 12 months to set their 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.656 things properly or if they need anything 00:36:27.680 --> 00:36:30.376 always football club Monero and Premier 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.400 City they are providing and always they 00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:36.520 pay their bills on time and I now we did 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.920 NIM report in 1991 which is was 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.335 declaring there these 10 clubs they'll 00:36:43.359 --> 00:36:46.359 be there forever as a fination of ICT 00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:50.055 soccer federation nail turning on these 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.079 clubs like not belong to them. 00:36:54.240 --> 00:36:57.240 also that reported size cannot be 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.320 removed. These two clubs divering and in 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.599 the NIM's report in 1991 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.800 designed and by the expert soccer 00:37:07.839 --> 00:37:10.296 federation Johnny Warren Paul Johnny 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.776 Warren was involved he had to come two 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.800 weeks to stay with us and we accommodate 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.456 him and we did that report and that 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.016 report clearly size but they did abolish 00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:23.976 it two years three years ago it's gone 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.815 no one else from the full football 00:37:25.839 --> 00:37:28.839 executive that has been done put it side 00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:32.040 let's do what we want again I I think 00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:34.776 they should wake up to themselves and 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.176 make professional standard leave these 00:37:37.200 --> 00:37:39.656 clubs there they providing everything 00:37:39.680 --> 00:37:41.496 look at Monaro what they did they 00:37:41.520 --> 00:37:43.335 provide 00:37:43.359 --> 00:37:45.736 600 kids they playing soccer I never see 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.760 them back in the 60s7s 80s ' 90s but 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.280 look at now and it can be perhaps 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.176 jealous because these clubs they they 00:37:55.200 --> 00:37:57.815 working hard the community is together 00:37:57.839 --> 00:38:00.839 In Cber they different money box big 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.440 company supports Juventus Olympics 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.335 Camber city but this club supports 00:38:07.359 --> 00:38:08.936 themselves 00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:10.776 and they trying to do the best for the 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.176 kids as well. These young kids need 00:38:13.200 --> 00:38:15.416 something to do. We don't want to let 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.976 them the kids on the street. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.815 That's my thing. I don't want to say too 00:38:19.839 --> 00:38:21.896 much. I'm getting emotional. 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:23.736 Thank you councelorski. Is there any 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.696 other speakers to the notice of motion? 00:38:26.720 --> 00:38:29.720 Oops. Um I might just um just say give 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:31.736 give my two cents as Kendrick would say, 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.760 but I think you know um we as a council 00:38:35.359 --> 00:38:37.815 and councilors council and council 00:38:37.839 --> 00:38:39.416 that's come before us have really put a 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.976 big investment in the local soccer here 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.856 and you know it comes with the Jerah um 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:46.296 sporting fields with the soccer fields 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.696 that we have out there and um to see now 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:50.536 these opportunities take away takes away 00:38:50.560 --> 00:38:52.856 that investment that we believe and the 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.456 belief that we have in our children and 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.296 in our community and and especially 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.055 especially in in this club that we're 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.079 seeing. Um, and you know, it's I just 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.296 had written down, you know, we're 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.536 looking at this weekend, the Monero 00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:08.776 Panthers themselves, you know, the um 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.856 making the finals and that's what these 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.736 young kids aspire to. I've been to most 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.976 games this season for the Monero 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.696 Panthers and those that walk out with 00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:20.776 the team is those young kids that 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.416 idolize those players in that first 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.815 grade side and that's what they aspire 00:39:25.839 --> 00:39:28.776 to become and I think that when you know 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.856 Capital football is not seeing the 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.496 impact that our clubs are having um 00:39:33.520 --> 00:39:35.575 they're not understanding you know what 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.335 it is that is important to us and I 00:39:37.359 --> 00:39:39.496 think we're standing here united tonight 00:39:39.520 --> 00:39:41.976 hopefully that you know this is 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:43.736 important and writing to capital 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.456 football um and requesting you know them 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.136 to have a look at that review but also 00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:50.055 consultation we talk about it here and 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.815 that's what needs to be done here but 00:39:51.839 --> 00:39:54.296 I'll pass it over to councelor Wilson to 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.320 sum it up 00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.256 thank you chair for that contribution 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.536 and thank you others as well I just 00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:02.536 suppose I just want to sum up and by 00:40:02.560 --> 00:40:05.095 saying that um I don't think there's any 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.256 bad actors you know this the CEO of 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:08.456 capital football I think everyone's 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:10.376 trying to develop the game but I I think 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:11.656 they've made the wrong call here I 00:40:11.680 --> 00:40:14.296 suppose in a nutshell um and then just 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.616 push pause on it and continue to work 00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:18.696 with the whole of the capital region 00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:20.216 for the betterment of the game. Thank 00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:21.656 you. 00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:23.496 Thank you council Wilson. I will now put 00:40:23.520 --> 00:40:26.296 the motion. All those in favor that is 00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.776 unanimous and that is carried. All 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.800 right. Moving back to item 9.1. 00:40:33.359 --> 00:40:36.136 Um draft financial statements 30th of 00:40:36.160 --> 00:40:38.376 June 2025. Can I get a mover for the 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.016 motion? 00:40:41.040 --> 00:40:43.416 Moved by councelor Broadbent, seconded 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.016 by councelor Wilson. Councelor 00:40:45.040 --> 00:40:46.456 Broadbent, would you like to speak to 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:47.416 the item? 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.136 Oh, look, I um I don't have a lot to 00:40:50.160 --> 00:40:52.536 say. I know I've very briefly I do know 00:40:52.560 --> 00:40:55.496 the ARIC um has had a look at these um 00:40:55.520 --> 00:40:57.656 which was something I requested a fair 00:40:57.680 --> 00:41:00.376 while ago. Um I think that gives us 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:01.896 extra assurance that there's been some 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.920 good work um behind the scenes. Um, I 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.136 think yeah, it's a it's it's a good 00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:10.616 final summary. , I yeah, I don't have 00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:11.896 much else to say, but I thought I'd move 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:13.736 it get it moving along. Thank you. 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.696 Thank you, Council Wilson. 00:41:16.720 --> 00:41:19.720 Thank you, , , Chair, Deputy Mayor. 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.335 Um, just a few questions from me. , 00:41:23.359 --> 00:41:25.016 happy to have this continue to move 00:41:25.040 --> 00:41:27.016 forward as councelor Broadbander said. 00:41:27.040 --> 00:41:28.616 Um but I just want to quickly ask 00:41:28.640 --> 00:41:31.256 through you chair to our CFO just remind 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.095 us those listening along because 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.416 we've be we're turned the corner where 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.256 we're at the final year of the SRV. What 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.055 is our cash position in the general fund 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:43.079 unrestricted cash? Sorry. Thanks T. 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.136 Thank you 00:41:46.160 --> 00:41:48.136 through you deputy mayor. the 00:41:48.160 --> 00:41:49.976 draft set of statements in front of you 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:51.896 at the moment is showing an unrestricted 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.920 cash position of around $6 million. 00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:58.520 Thank you. and and chair 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.016 through you as well does that is that 00:42:01.040 --> 00:42:03.095 that's post the allocation that we did 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:04.295 in the last quarter of the last 00:42:04.319 --> 00:42:07.319 financial year for the liabilities re um 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.440 bonds etc that 3.3 I think that was 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:12.696 yes that is correct 00:42:12.720 --> 00:42:15.335 okay okay excellent thank you so can I 00:42:15.359 --> 00:42:17.496 can I just ask the CFO to also make some 00:42:17.520 --> 00:42:19.496 commentary um the last I think it was 00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:21.016 two quarters ago we had a deficit 00:42:21.040 --> 00:42:23.815 position and once again this is a paper 00:42:23.839 --> 00:42:26.536 deficit as we've heard um of 10 million 00:42:26.560 --> 00:42:28.376 I think roughly and it's gone out to 20 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:29.815 million. So I just don't want people to 00:42:29.839 --> 00:42:32.055 think a minute I just we're just doing 00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:33.656 the SRV. How are we at 20 million 00:42:33.680 --> 00:42:35.016 deficit? Why does it keep going the 00:42:35.040 --> 00:42:37.256 wrong direction? 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.136 Through to you through you deputy mayor. 00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:43.160 Um yes the position as it stands in the 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:45.656 draft set of statements before council 00:42:45.680 --> 00:42:48.680 at the moment is a deficit of 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.176 approximately $20 million in the general 00:42:51.200 --> 00:42:53.736 fund. This is an increase of about $10 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.136 million on the previous forecast 00:42:56.160 --> 00:42:59.160 position. The primary result or driver 00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:02.200 behind this result is a what we call a 00:43:02.560 --> 00:43:05.560 net loss on disposal of assets. Now what 00:43:06.160 --> 00:43:08.136 this means is there are certain 00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:10.696 circumstances certain situations that 00:43:10.720 --> 00:43:13.416 happen through the year where council 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.376 will undertake capital works programs 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.335 and through that work we will do work on 00:43:19.359 --> 00:43:22.359 our assets but as part of that is we 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.616 will be disposing of some of those 00:43:24.640 --> 00:43:27.640 assets for example part of a road so we 00:43:27.839 --> 00:43:30.839 can build a new road. What happens with 00:43:31.359 --> 00:43:34.359 that disposal is it will show on our 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.800 income statement as a net loss on 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:39.736 disposal 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:41.335 because we're not actually selling it 00:43:41.359 --> 00:43:43.095 and we're not receiving any income for 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.896 that. So we have disposed of this asset 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.920 before it has been fully depreciated 00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:52.055 because that work has been required to 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.936 be done through the year. 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.960 Um thank you may deputy mayor even 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.496 chair is fine. Um is there any other 00:44:01.520 --> 00:44:03.656 speakers to this motion? Councelor 00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:04.856 Willis. 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.456 thank you. I had a couple of 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.696 questions too and I thank the staff for 00:44:08.720 --> 00:44:11.656 answering some that I circulated in 00:44:11.680 --> 00:44:14.536 writing prior to the meeting level. 00:44:14.560 --> 00:44:17.416 The answers have gone to everybody. Um I 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.335 wanted to there are a couple of key 00:44:19.359 --> 00:44:21.896 indicators that on the face of it are 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.295 a cause for concern and I so I wanted to 00:44:24.319 --> 00:44:26.696 ask about those. One is the operating 00:44:26.720 --> 00:44:29.720 performance ratio which is down quite a 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.760 bit from 2023 it was 5.6% and at the end 00:44:34.720 --> 00:44:37.720 of financial year 25 it's 1.53%. 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.800 So could I ask um the CFO to explain 00:44:42.720 --> 00:44:45.016 that and its significance because we had 00:44:45.040 --> 00:44:48.040 been told that that ratio is if you like 00:44:48.319 --> 00:44:51.016 one of about half a dozen key 00:44:51.040 --> 00:44:53.095 performance indicators that we need to 00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.176 be watching. 00:44:55.200 --> 00:44:56.295 Yep. 00:44:56.319 --> 00:44:59.256 through you deputy mayor. yes 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.176 we have acknowledged that the operating 00:45:01.200 --> 00:45:04.200 performance ratio is declining at the 00:45:04.319 --> 00:45:07.319 moment. What's the driver behind that is 00:45:07.839 --> 00:45:10.216 as I've stated previously is that net 00:45:10.240 --> 00:45:13.240 loss on disposal of assets. If you look 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.216 back through financial statements that 00:45:16.240 --> 00:45:17.896 have been prepared over the last few 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.216 years, you will see commentary in those 00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:23.240 statements that explain drivers and 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.760 impacts to the operating performance 00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.960 ratio. What's happening in the 2425 00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:33.656 financial year is the office of local 00:45:33.680 --> 00:45:36.536 government is changing some of the 00:45:36.560 --> 00:45:39.256 calculations for these ratios. So you 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.176 won't actually see them in the final 00:45:41.200 --> 00:45:44.055 statements. We will be presenting these 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.376 to council separately and we'll be 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.696 providing commentary once the audit has 00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:50.936 been finalized. 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.960 Thank you. one of the other key 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.480 indicators is the proportion of um 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.936 rates and charges revenue that's 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.960 outstanding. and this is another one 00:46:04.160 --> 00:46:07.160 um that have been improving. but 00:46:07.520 --> 00:46:09.656 according to the statements in front of 00:46:09.680 --> 00:46:12.680 us, this is also deteriorated. 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.800 so that the in 2023 that was 7.75% 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:21.000 of total revenue due rate sorry rates 00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:25.160 and charges revenue due and last 00:46:26.240 --> 00:46:29.240 financial year it was at 9.01%. 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.800 Um and somewhat concerningly 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.920 for general rates, so stripping out the 00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:40.520 charges, um the the proportion of rates 00:46:43.040 --> 00:46:46.040 revenue that is unpaid or overdue is 00:46:46.640 --> 00:46:49.095 12.45%. 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.119 Now, in my mind, that's something of 00:46:52.720 --> 00:46:55.720 some concern. So, is a CFO able to 00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.256 give us any commentary on that? We've 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.496 just been through a lengthy process to 00:47:01.520 --> 00:47:04.216 clear to help people clear their debt 00:47:04.240 --> 00:47:07.240 backlog. Um I'd be concerned if this is 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.000 a pointing to a problem that may 00:47:11.359 --> 00:47:14.359 develop and will will become a a more 00:47:16.640 --> 00:47:19.335 serious problem over the next 12 months 00:47:19.359 --> 00:47:22.136 and beyond. 00:47:22.160 --> 00:47:23.656 Yep. 00:47:23.680 --> 00:47:26.055 Three you deputy mayor. the 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.079 consolidated position for our debt 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.920 outstanding debts ratio is the 9%. 00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.599 that represents a more or a better more 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.800 holistic view of the council's debt 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.376 outstanding debt position because it 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.400 does include the charges and that's 00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:50.520 that's what we will be recovering. So 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:52.856 council has just recently gone through a 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.815 sale of land for unpaid rates that was 00:47:55.839 --> 00:47:58.839 for any debts outstanding over five 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.400 years which had had no um no movement on 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.119 and no action on over those five years. 00:48:09.200 --> 00:48:11.976 If rate payers contact us and enter into 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.536 payment agreements, we do not go down 00:48:14.560 --> 00:48:17.560 that path of selling land for unpaid 00:48:17.839 --> 00:48:20.376 rates. that means that will stay in that 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.400 ratio and continue to fall into that 00:48:24.240 --> 00:48:27.240 over five years aged debt. So while we 00:48:28.319 --> 00:48:31.319 are looking at 00:48:31.359 --> 00:48:34.359 improving that ratio and keeping on 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.960 top of monitoring this debt looking 00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.856 at it from a consolidated position is a 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.256 is a better view rather than just the 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.280 general fund. Thank you. Is it possible 00:48:49.200 --> 00:48:51.736 for staff to provide counselors not 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.760 now obviously um but with a breakdown 00:48:56.319 --> 00:48:59.016 of what proportion of that 00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:02.040 outstanding debt 00:49:02.720 --> 00:49:05.016 is 00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:08.040 for people who are on payment plans. are 00:49:08.240 --> 00:49:10.055 making arrangements in other words 00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.079 things are in train and those where 00:49:13.359 --> 00:49:15.656 there is no payment plan or we haven't 00:49:15.680 --> 00:49:18.616 heard back from anyone I'm what I'm 00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:21.496 trying to do here is enable the council 00:49:21.520 --> 00:49:24.520 to get a sense of if if there is 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.136 significant financial stress if I know 00:49:28.160 --> 00:49:30.216 that's not the only reason people um 00:49:30.240 --> 00:49:32.295 don't pay their rates I'm I'm aware of 00:49:32.319 --> 00:49:35.319 that um but I I would like to have a 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.760 better understanding of um the stresses 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.256 that might be out there and whether for 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.335 example the council needs to allocate 00:49:43.359 --> 00:49:46.359 more resources to assisting people um 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:48.936 with their with their financial um 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.960 management so that they can um start to 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:53.815 make some inroads. That's what I'm 00:49:53.839 --> 00:49:56.136 thinking of here. if we need to allocate 00:49:56.160 --> 00:49:59.160 some more um staff resources or if 00:49:59.200 --> 00:50:00.456 there are other things that we need to 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:03.256 do to support people um I would like to 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.496 know that sooner rather than at the end 00:50:05.520 --> 00:50:08.520 of this financial year. 00:50:09.520 --> 00:50:11.656 So is that possible? Is it 00:50:11.680 --> 00:50:13.416 3D 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.136 through deputy mayor? yes we we 00:50:16.160 --> 00:50:18.376 can absolutely accommodate that request. 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.176 We present a report to council on a 00:50:21.200 --> 00:50:24.200 regular basis on the outstanding 00:50:24.319 --> 00:50:27.319 debts. We can break that down into 00:50:27.520 --> 00:50:30.136 payment plans. We also have an 00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:32.936 undertaking that we will be reviewing 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.960 those aged debtors over 5 years on a 00:50:36.720 --> 00:50:39.720 more regular basis and making more 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.376 proactive steps towards reaching out to 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.696 those rate payers and ensuring 00:50:44.720 --> 00:50:47.720 payment plans are in place. Thank you. 00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.055 And one last question from me and that's 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.016 to do with in the notes in the 00:50:53.040 --> 00:50:56.040 attachment it states that um employee 00:50:56.640 --> 00:50:59.335 leave provision is identified as a risk 00:50:59.359 --> 00:51:02.359 for 2526. Now that's despite the fact 00:51:02.640 --> 00:51:05.640 that the funds that we hold in our 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.335 employee leave reserve entitlement 00:51:09.359 --> 00:51:12.359 reserve is um greater than the 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.280 anticipated draw down on that fund in 00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:20.680 2526. And we've been this council after 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.575 staff identified there was a problem we 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:26.599 have sought to rectify that by 00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:28.696 adopting a policy on the reserve and 00:51:28.720 --> 00:51:31.335 allocating funds from the general fund 00:51:31.359 --> 00:51:33.095 for the past few years to help build 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.119 that up. So why given all that um work 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.856 underway and the anticipated draw down 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.880 for 2526 why have the staff identified 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.559 employee leave provision as a risk? 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.335 Yep. 00:51:47.359 --> 00:51:49.815 through you deputy mayor. Employee leave 00:51:49.839 --> 00:51:52.376 provisions will always be considered a 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.776 risk to council because of their 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.335 unpredictable nature. We can make 00:51:57.359 --> 00:52:00.055 assumptions on any draw down on that 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.079 reserve that we can based on age 00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:07.160 profile of staff leave entitlements. 00:52:07.359 --> 00:52:10.359 However, we at that point it is just an 00:52:11.359 --> 00:52:13.736 assumption. So there will always be a 00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.216 risk. We've seen over the last few years 00:52:16.240 --> 00:52:19.240 a number of senior staff leaving. 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.776 we've seen a number of retirements and 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.856 that's drawn down on those leave 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.880 provisions quite heavily. Um so we can 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.216 predict that to a certain extent but not 00:52:30.240 --> 00:52:32.696 all of it. So there is still risk in 00:52:32.720 --> 00:52:34.376 that. 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:35.815 Thank you. 00:52:35.839 --> 00:52:38.055 Thank you councelor Willis. Is there any 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.079 further discussion on this matter? 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.176 councelor Grundy. Thank you, Deputy 00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:46.200 Mayor. question. Um is there a reason 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.280 why parking fines in 2025 compared 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.000 to 2024 have increased almost 30% to the 00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.880 tune of over 130,000? 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:04.535 Um sorry, 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.535 Miss Slagger. 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:08.295 I was just waiting. 00:53:08.319 --> 00:53:11.319 through you, Deputy Mayor. Um I don't 00:53:11.359 --> 00:53:13.575 have that information on hand at the 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.456 moment. However, we do provide council 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.095 information throughout the year in the 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.575 quarterly budget reviews with variances 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.599 in income line items. I can only 00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:27.815 suggest that there might be some 00:53:27.839 --> 00:53:30.136 commentary in there. 00:53:30.160 --> 00:53:33.016 thank you. Um I guess I'll offer my 00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:36.040 own commentary then. um in an 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.176 environment where our local businesses 00:53:39.200 --> 00:53:42.200 and residents alike are really pressed 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:44.856 financially. 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.880 and in the in the circumstance we 00:53:49.200 --> 00:53:52.200 have before us where there's been no 00:53:52.720 --> 00:53:55.256 offering of a reasoning behind why we 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.136 have had an almost 30% increase in 00:53:58.160 --> 00:54:01.160 parking fines over the last 12 months. I 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:03.656 would have thought that's a significant 00:54:03.680 --> 00:54:06.680 question that should have be able to be 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.960 answered. Um, particularly as I say in 00:54:10.160 --> 00:54:12.295 the current financial 00:54:12.319 --> 00:54:14.535 environment for many of our businesses 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.176 and our residents. Um, it's it's not 00:54:17.200 --> 00:54:20.200 just a few,000. 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.095 It's over $130,000. 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:24.776 It's significant. 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.376 Thank you, Council R. I'll just pass to 00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:27.335 Miss Ryan 00:54:27.359 --> 00:54:28.696 through you, Deputy Mayor. We'll take 00:54:28.720 --> 00:54:30.055 that question on notice and provide 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:31.656 council with some information. 00:54:31.680 --> 00:54:34.680 Okay. Thank you. councel 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:38.119 Oh, you've already spoken to it, but do 00:54:38.319 --> 00:54:39.095 you have a question? 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.095 I just got a question to the through you 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:43.335 to the GM to make sure this is included. 00:54:43.359 --> 00:54:46.359 The GM knows that I'm rather fixated 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:49.976 on removal of paperless fines. The state 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.656 governments actually I thought passed a 00:54:51.680 --> 00:54:53.496 law to outlaw them except in extreme 00:54:53.520 --> 00:54:56.520 circumstant 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.376 you can through you GM is it possible to 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.256 make sure that the parking fine surge 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.976 information includes information re 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.216 paperless fines thank you got there 00:55:08.240 --> 00:55:08.616 eventually 00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:09.815 through you deputy mayor I have your 00:55:09.839 --> 00:55:11.496 questions councelor Wilson which I'll 00:55:11.520 --> 00:55:13.335 provide as well 00:55:13.359 --> 00:55:15.656 thank you um if there's no further 00:55:15.680 --> 00:55:17.016 discussion I'll hand over councelor 00:55:17.040 --> 00:55:18.696 broadbent doesn't have anything more to 00:55:18.720 --> 00:55:21.256 add With that, um, I'll put the motion. 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:24.280 All those in favor, that is unanimous 00:55:24.319 --> 00:55:27.319 and that motion is carried. 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.055 Moving on to item 9.2 when we have 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.616 disclosures of interest and councelor 00:55:32.640 --> 00:55:35.640 McDonald, councelor wind , Waterhouse 00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:39.240 and Councelor Willis will all be thank 00:55:39.359 --> 00:55:42.359 you will all be leaving the room. 00:55:44.160 --> 00:55:47.160 Oh, yeah. 00:55:56.240 --> 00:55:57.896 I can hear her. So, she's not gone far 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.535 enough. 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:03.176 All right. Um, moving on to item 9.2. 00:56:03.200 --> 00:56:06.200 Um, QPRC annual community grants 202526. 00:56:07.680 --> 00:56:10.680 Can I get a mover for the motion? 00:56:11.520 --> 00:56:14.520 Councelor 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.216 Preston has moved the motion seconded. 00:56:18.240 --> 00:56:21.240 Councelor Broadbent. Councelor Preston, 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.335 would you like to speak to the motion? 00:56:25.359 --> 00:56:27.896 I'll I'll reserve my right. I was 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:29.256 just wanting to get the debate going. 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:29.656 Thank you. 00:56:29.680 --> 00:56:32.680 Okay. Thank you, Council Broadbent. 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:35.496 I'm going to wait for the debate before 00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:37.815 I ask any questions. Thank you. 00:56:37.839 --> 00:56:40.839 All right. Thank you, Councelor Wilson. 00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:43.736 thank you chair. This is a very small 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.456 group I must say. Um I've circulate. 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:47.736 So sorry no I didn't circulate. My 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:49.416 apologies fellow council. It wasn't a 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.896 major amendment. I have provided our 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.535 minute secretary an amendment that is 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:57.095 just basically to as the business paper 00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.055 is but to approve a grant of $3,000 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:01.656 for the Carabar Preschool to purchase 00:57:01.680 --> 00:57:03.976 outdoor furniture to create an outdoor 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.055 connection. That was a project. Sorry, 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:07.656 let me just find a second first. 00:57:07.680 --> 00:57:10.680 Yeah. Yeah. We need a second for that. I 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.880 will second the motion from the chair. 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.216 So, councelor Wilson, would you like to 00:57:16.240 --> 00:57:18.456 speak to the amendment? 00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.480 Um, I'll speak to the whole motion 00:57:21.680 --> 00:57:24.136 and that is if if you have time, have a 00:57:24.160 --> 00:57:25.656 look at some of the community work that 00:57:25.680 --> 00:57:27.896 we actually are supporting. It's it's 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:29.416 very significant. It's not a lot of 00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.575 money. It's only 32,000. 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.055 the venue high donations are 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.456 literally money around. it's not 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.055 we you know we donate the money they pay 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.936 it back but the the category A 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.256 donations are literally um you know cash 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.280 out the door to organizations um so that 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.216 that's that's point one and two read 00:57:48.240 --> 00:57:50.616 point three um I think the commentary in 00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:52.055 the paper wasn't quite right you know 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:53.815 CABAR preschool is part of a not for-p 00:57:53.839 --> 00:57:56.839 profofit organization part of a network 00:57:57.359 --> 00:57:58.936 um it's a one-off it's not like we're 00:57:58.960 --> 00:57:59.896 going to get the asset and have to 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:02.775 depreciate it and I think given where 00:58:02.799 --> 00:58:04.535 I'm not saying we have to change our 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:05.976 mind all the ones that didn't quite get 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.256 there, we could probably consider those 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:08.775 down in a quarterly budget review 00:58:08.799 --> 00:58:11.496 process. , but this particular one, I 00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:13.976 think, is a good one. Um, and it's only 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.535 3,000 you just heard. We had $6 million 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:18.376 in unrestricted cash. That's after we've 00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.295 paid a 3.3 million in liability. So, 00:58:20.319 --> 00:58:22.696 it's not a lot of money to build and 00:58:22.720 --> 00:58:24.376 support a very important community 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:26.856 organization. Thank you. 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.880 Thank you, Council Wilson. I um won't 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:31.736 speak to this because I just seconded to 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:33.176 move forward the some of the 00:58:33.200 --> 00:58:34.856 conversations. Is there anyone else that 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:36.136 would like to speak to this? Councelor 00:58:36.160 --> 00:58:36.775 Broadband. 00:58:36.799 --> 00:58:39.496 I just have a question um through 00:58:39.520 --> 00:58:42.456 you, Deputy Mayor U to Councelor Wilson. 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.480 Um in terms of the you said there 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:48.055 quickly that I don't know much about 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:50.055 Carabar Preschool um and and the 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:51.815 specifics around its arrangement. Um 00:58:51.839 --> 00:58:53.575 you've obviously got a bit of expertise. 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:55.575 you consider this pretty important. 00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:58.599 Um I I note that the obviously and I 00:58:58.799 --> 00:59:00.936 I'll ask staff a follow- on question. Um 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:02.936 but staff say here that it's a school 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:04.856 funding. Do you feel that this is 00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.656 different enough in a way for from some 00:59:07.680 --> 00:59:09.416 of the other options there for funding 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.216 schools um that they've asked for that 00:59:12.240 --> 00:59:14.136 gives it warrants it being different if 00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:15.416 you if that question kind of makes 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.440 sense. councelor 00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.376 my understanding and obviously you each 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:23.575 council has to come to their own 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:24.856 position in this space but my 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:26.856 understanding is that it's not pro 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.936 it's not part of carabar primary or you 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:31.095 know it's a it's a preschool happy to be 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.496 corrected and it is different to the 00:59:33.520 --> 00:59:36.216 jerabomba high school PNC for example 00:59:36.240 --> 00:59:37.815 that is I mean it's a not for profofit 00:59:37.839 --> 00:59:39.976 as well but it's attached to high school 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.000 and as I said um if jerc people 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:44.376 listening in they probably are some of 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:45.815 them are my friends, they'll be like, 00:59:45.839 --> 00:59:47.976 "What the hell?" Um, but , you know, 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.095 we'll have to consider that in the next 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:50.376 quarterly update. Just this was the one 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.936 that I thought um, stood out. That's 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:54.136 all. Thank you, 00:59:54.160 --> 00:59:55.095 Councelor Broadin. 00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:56.376 Yeah, I guess the the following question 00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:59.400 there is um, so in the in the in the 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.440 papers um, staff have , said that the 01:00:02.640 --> 01:00:04.456 project won't take place at school. 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:05.736 Schools have not been funded by council 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.760 for many years. Um and I guess just is 01:00:08.799 --> 01:00:10.856 through you dep is it possible for staff 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.016 to um flesh out a little bit of detail 01:00:13.040 --> 01:00:14.936 as to why these kind of things 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.216 traditionally haven't been funded in the 01:00:16.240 --> 01:00:18.216 past? 01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:21.016 Miss Richards. 01:00:21.040 --> 01:00:24.040 through you madam chair. Um I talked 01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.055 to my grants officer and she was saying 01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:27.815 that council have in the past knocked 01:00:27.839 --> 01:00:29.976 back schools because they have funding 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.416 directly from the New South Wales 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:32.775 government and from schools 01:00:32.799 --> 01:00:35.256 infrastructure. And so it was seen to be 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.736 for it because our fund is limited, we 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.136 need to make some decisions about who it 01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:42.696 should go to. These recommendations are 01:00:42.720 --> 01:00:44.856 just based on that. 01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.416 Cool. Um All right. I think it's a it's 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.376 a tough one. I probably don't know 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.176 enough about this in in its history 01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:55.656 to support this motion in this case. Um 01:00:55.680 --> 01:00:57.736 that said, I I'm not opposed to it 01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:59.656 coming back in in future. Um but so I 01:00:59.680 --> 01:01:00.856 won't be supporting it for this this 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.335 time around, but open to it in future. 01:01:03.359 --> 01:01:04.856 Thank you, Council Broadband. Is there 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.575 any other discussions? If not, I do have 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.599 a question. Um, , for staff, um, and 01:01:10.799 --> 01:01:13.256 Miss Richard just did not say that, um, 01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.575 we don't support schools, um, 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.599 traditionally, but the preschool is part 01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:20.696 of the Queen District's preschool 01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:22.295 association and they're not part of the 01:01:22.319 --> 01:01:24.856 New South Wales Department of Education. 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:26.376 Um, 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.376 so that would mean that we would support 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:31.256 this because they're not a a school or 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.856 department New South Wales Department 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.575 of Education. 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.896 , through you, Madam Chair. I believe 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:39.335 they received funds from the New South 01:01:39.359 --> 01:01:41.416 Wales government for schools for 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:43.815 preschools. So that's is the basis for 01:01:43.839 --> 01:01:46.839 the decision, I believe. 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:48.856 All right. Thank you. Um, is there any 01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.416 further discussion? Otherwise, I will 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.496 pass it over to councelor Wilson to sum 01:01:53.520 --> 01:01:56.295 it up. 01:01:56.319 --> 01:01:58.136 Yeah, I just want to thank staff. Thank 01:01:58.160 --> 01:02:00.055 you, chair, , for the work you've 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.456 done. The team, it's it's trying to get 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.295 a piece of cloth to fit into a pretty 01:02:04.319 --> 01:02:07.256 small, , area, but, um, it is an 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.496 important thing we do and I know it'll 01:02:09.520 --> 01:02:11.335 be they're highly valued and also just 01:02:11.359 --> 01:02:13.896 another tick for the category H , and 01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.775 and the venue hire. Um they are our 01:02:16.799 --> 01:02:18.535 facilities, the community's facilities 01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.936 and it's yeah there is an electricity 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:22.856 cost but it's better they used than not 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:24.936 in my view and a maintenance cost but 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:27.960 better they used than not. Thank you. 01:02:28.319 --> 01:02:29.896 Turned that off. Thank you councelor 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.295 Wilson. Now I will um put this this is 01:02:32.319 --> 01:02:34.856 an amendment. So once the amendment has 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.095 um if it is carried it then becomes the 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:39.656 motion. So I will put the emotion. All 01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:42.680 those in favor that is councelor 01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:45.815 Tuskovski. Councelor Preston, Councelor 01:02:45.839 --> 01:02:48.295 Wilson, Councelor Livermore, and those 01:02:48.319 --> 01:02:50.136 against, Councelor Broadben, Councelor 01:02:50.160 --> 01:02:53.160 Grundy, but that motion is carried. I 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.440 will now talk to the mo um move it as 01:02:57.680 --> 01:03:00.680 the motion. Um do I have to get a second 01:03:01.040 --> 01:03:03.976 to move it? Nope. Just goes back. Um is 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.936 there any discussions on this motion? If 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:08.856 not, I will put the motion. All those in 01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.416 favor, that is councelor Tuscowski, 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:13.016 councelor Preston, councelor Wilson, 01:03:13.040 --> 01:03:14.696 councelor Livermore. Those against 01:03:14.720 --> 01:03:16.696 councelor Broadbent, councelor Grundy in 01:03:16.720 --> 01:03:19.575 that motion has been carried. I'll now 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.456 call back 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.176 councelor McDonald councelor Waterhouse 01:03:25.200 --> 01:03:28.200 and councelor Willis. 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.216 All right, we welcome everyone back. 01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:21.176 We're moving on to item 9.3, Camber Rod 01:04:21.200 --> 01:04:23.335 and Custom Cruise Show and Shine. Can I 01:04:23.359 --> 01:04:24.696 get a move for the motion? Councelor 01:04:24.720 --> 01:04:27.575 Wilson, seconded by Councelor Broadbent. 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:28.856 Councelor Wilson, would you like to 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:30.616 speak to the motion? 01:04:30.640 --> 01:04:33.640 I I I would actually I think it's a um I 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:35.575 think staff have found the right balance 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.896 here category H just to remind everyone 01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.920 is the where we provide the facility 01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:42.936 um and it doesn't actually cost us 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:44.616 anything and the town park but I do 01:04:44.640 --> 01:04:46.775 have one question just to inform why I'm 01:04:46.799 --> 01:04:48.936 supporting this um through you chair to 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:51.960 to to our director um were staff happy 01:04:52.640 --> 01:04:54.535 were staff happy is not the quite the 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:56.775 right term satisfied this event was 01:04:56.799 --> 01:04:58.055 happening around the Australia day sort 01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:01.079 of window Coun councelor Richards 01:05:01.359 --> 01:05:03.015 miss Richards. 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.815 through you, Deputy Mayor. yes, 01:05:05.839 --> 01:05:08.295 Councelor Willis, we Wilson, sorry. We 01:05:08.319 --> 01:05:10.295 I discussed with with staff noting 01:05:10.319 --> 01:05:12.136 that it's around the Australia Day 01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:13.976 weekend and they were satisfied that we 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.000 could handle both events. 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:19.095 Thank you. And just just to thank you 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:20.856 for the answer and and just to pick up 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.416 on it, um I think it's really great. 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.896 This is the Queen Town Park. Without 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.416 exaggeration, I think it's the best 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.095 community space in the area. It's it's 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:30.616 it's beautiful. It's beautifully 01:05:30.640 --> 01:05:33.640 maintained. it's a pride of our town. 01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:35.736 and it is good if it's done in a, you 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:37.496 know, safe and proper way for it to be 01:05:37.520 --> 01:05:39.335 used and to bring people into our town 01:05:39.359 --> 01:05:41.176 and and hopefully they'll support 01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:42.535 business on the on the way out and 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:43.976 council McDonald's obviously picked up 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:45.976 on some of that previously as well. So, 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.055 and I do appreciate they wanted a 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.136 three-year agreement. I think it is okay 01:05:50.160 --> 01:05:51.815 to see how it goes this time and come 01:05:51.839 --> 01:05:53.575 back to it later on. So, thank you. 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:55.015 Thank you, Council Wilson. Councelor 01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.815 Broadbent. Um I echo everything council 01:05:57.839 --> 01:06:00.216 Wilson said. Um I do have a question 01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:03.240 kind of not it's adjacent to this um but 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.696 relating to the financial tracking of 01:06:06.720 --> 01:06:08.055 these kind of donations because I know 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.079 we previously had discussions around um 01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:13.095 kind of I guess the mechanism behind how 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:14.775 we're tracking donations where we're 01:06:14.799 --> 01:06:17.799 giving stuff you know away for free um 01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:21.160 in quotation marks. Um have we figured 01:06:21.839 --> 01:06:24.839 out that that process yet through you 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:27.656 deputy mayor? Miss Richards through 01:06:27.680 --> 01:06:29.656 through you, Deputy Mayor. Yes, we track 01:06:29.680 --> 01:06:32.216 all category H financial donations, 01:06:32.240 --> 01:06:34.616 sorry, non-financial donations in terms 01:06:34.640 --> 01:06:37.176 of the um in the similar way that we do 01:06:37.200 --> 01:06:39.256 category B. So, they're assessed for how 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:42.280 much the hire would be and that we keep 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:43.896 a record of what that is. 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:45.575 Yeah. Wonderful. Yeah. Cool. Thank you. 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:46.775 I just remember a bit of a discussion 01:06:46.799 --> 01:06:48.376 around that. So, appreciate it. Um happy 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:49.256 to support this one. 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:50.856 Thank you, Council Broad. Councelor 01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.295 McDonald. 01:06:52.319 --> 01:06:54.696 Um thanks, Chair. yesterday I had 01:06:54.720 --> 01:06:56.936 someone write to me concerned about the 01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.960 lack of um car shows and in fact the 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.295 decline of car shows. And whilst this 01:07:02.319 --> 01:07:04.936 isn't a car show in its truest sense um 01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:07.960 it is cars which are on show and and 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:10.055 they'll be raising money for for 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.079 charity. Um with these things yes um on 01:07:14.720 --> 01:07:17.575 on paper it is a foregoing of a fee 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:20.599 which we have an allowance for. But I 01:07:20.720 --> 01:07:22.456 tend to look at the I or try to look at 01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.480 these things as to um associated 01:07:26.799 --> 01:07:28.616 benefits that they might bring. Um 01:07:28.640 --> 01:07:31.640 because whilst the the the fee itself is 01:07:32.160 --> 01:07:35.160 is foregone, um the with the small 01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:39.015 business committee hat on, I look at 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.976 what other benefits might be brought to 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.295 our community. And what I would hope to 01:07:44.319 --> 01:07:47.319 see is that um people from across the 01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.440 border and and our region um come to our 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.960 region and and and enjoy the show get 01:07:54.319 --> 01:07:57.319 some money into some charities and um 01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.535 and contribute to our local economy. Our 01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:02.696 local economy booms, more b more 01:08:02.720 --> 01:08:05.416 organizations see us as a viable option 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:08.440 for for their shows and and and and 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:11.559 we become a premier location. So I'm on 01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.136 that basis I'm I'm I'm happy to support 01:08:14.160 --> 01:08:17.160 this and and look forward to to 01:08:17.679 --> 01:08:20.456 the event noting I'll be back 01:08:20.480 --> 01:08:22.936 again the next day I suspect for for 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:24.775 Australia Day. Thank you. 01:08:24.799 --> 01:08:26.215 Thank you councelor McDonald. Is there 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.056 any other discussion on this item? 01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:29.496 Councelor Willis. 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:31.576 thank you. I'm not supporting this 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.600 for a couple of reasons. Category H was 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.880 um if I recall correctly a proposal that 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.960 um came from the general manager to 01:08:42.080 --> 01:08:44.135 support local not for-p profofit groups 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.159 in Queenian to effectively use um 01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.199 unhired community space um to support 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.616 those groups and reduce the costs of 01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:56.856 venue hire because we know that venue 01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.880 hire costs can be an impediment for 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:01.815 what are you know not for-p profofit 01:09:01.839 --> 01:09:02.856 groups. 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.576 providing all sorts of social benefits. 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:08.600 Um, this is not such a group. Um, it's 01:09:09.759 --> 01:09:12.759 the event that it's that's requesting 01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.960 free use of the park for is not 01:09:16.400 --> 01:09:19.096 generating funds that will benefit um 01:09:19.120 --> 01:09:21.096 our community. 01:09:21.120 --> 01:09:22.936 The amount of money that would be 01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.815 charged at a not for profofit rate is in 01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:28.456 the order of $250. 01:09:28.480 --> 01:09:31.480 So it's that's not can't possibly be an 01:09:31.679 --> 01:09:34.056 impediment I should think to the event 01:09:34.080 --> 01:09:36.936 being staged. I also have do have 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:38.695 concerns about the logistics of setting 01:09:38.719 --> 01:09:41.719 up along Anzac Day um notwithstanding 01:09:42.080 --> 01:09:45.080 the staff's feedback and the Queenian 01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:48.120 markets were um required to leave the 01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:51.880 park as a venue. Um I understood 01:09:52.480 --> 01:09:55.256 because of concerns about damage to the 01:09:55.280 --> 01:09:57.416 ground and potential impact on the 01:09:57.440 --> 01:10:00.440 trees. So, I'm curious as to why um 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.336 something like this, which must have I 01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:05.175 never been to one of these events, must 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:07.736 have cars on the park, driving onto the 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.760 park and then driving off um how that 01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.760 accords with the um the resources this 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.199 council invests in maintaining that park 01:10:18.480 --> 01:10:21.096 because I agree with councelor Wilson on 01:10:21.120 --> 01:10:23.416 this point. It is one of the most 01:10:23.440 --> 01:10:25.976 spectacular places that we have, public 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.856 places that we have and u we do need to 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:31.880 look after it. So um for those reasons, 01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:35.080 I'm not intending to support this 01:10:35.679 --> 01:10:37.816 um motion. 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:39.336 Thank you, Councelor Willis. Is there 01:10:39.360 --> 01:10:41.416 any further discussion? 01:10:41.440 --> 01:10:42.856 Councelor Grundy. 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.655 Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I tend to 01:10:45.679 --> 01:10:48.679 concur with Councelor Willis on this. Um 01:10:49.280 --> 01:10:50.776 it's important to note that this 01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:53.800 particular group did make an donation 01:10:55.280 --> 01:10:57.576 but not to any group that's relevant to 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.600 QP QPRC or Queen Pellering. Um so that's 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:05.159 worth noting. Um I'd like to also 01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:08.920 point out that we are talking about 01:11:09.280 --> 01:11:12.280 several hundred which um itself lends to 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.736 the question 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.760 if this group is running such a good 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.960 show um why can't they afford to find 01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:24.776 their own sponsor for that relatively 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.800 small amount of money. and the last 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.000 point I would make is in giving this 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:33.976 the thumbs up, we're actually 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:35.655 undervaluing 01:11:35.679 --> 01:11:38.056 what has been described I believe as 01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:40.135 one of our premium 01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:43.159 public spaces and I can't see that as a 01:11:43.360 --> 01:11:46.135 good thing. so I won't be supporting 01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:48.536 this. Thank you. 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.135 Thank you councelor Grundy. Is there any 01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.936 other speakers for this item? Not 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:54.215 councelor Wilson, would you like to sum 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.856 up the sum it up? Yeah, I wasn't I was 01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:58.616 going to leave it be. But I just think 01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:00.135 in summing up, I just need to say like 01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:01.896 you can view it two ways. You can see it 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.816 as a premium venue and think, oh well 01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:06.215 250 is too cheap. You should pay $10,000 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:07.816 to have event there. But you can also 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:10.056 cut another way and say actually if we 01:12:10.080 --> 01:12:11.896 say no that goes vacant and no one gets 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:13.655 to see our great asset. So and no 01:12:13.679 --> 01:12:15.576 business gets supported. So on that 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:17.096 that's why I was happy to support it. So 01:12:17.120 --> 01:12:18.215 thank you. 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:20.376 Thank you councelor Wilson. I will now 01:12:20.400 --> 01:12:23.400 put the motion. All those in favor Oh 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.520 you're jumping in early. all those in 01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:29.560 favor um of this motion, it is councelor 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.616 Broadbrand um councelor McDonald, 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:34.936 council Taskovski, councelor Preston, 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:37.256 councelor Wilson, those against 01:12:37.280 --> 01:12:40.135 councelor Grundy, councelor 01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:43.096 waterhouse and councelor Willis. That um 01:12:43.120 --> 01:12:46.120 motion is carried. 01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:49.320 Have to do the numbers. 01:12:50.080 --> 01:12:53.080 Um moving on to item 9.4, Four, review 01:12:53.120 --> 01:12:54.936 of the Queen and Performing Arts 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.096 center 2025. That is moved by councelor 01:12:57.120 --> 01:13:00.056 Willis, seconded by councelor McDonald. 01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:01.175 Councelor Willis, would you like to 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.256 speak to the motion? yes, thank you. 01:13:03.280 --> 01:13:06.280 I'd like to thank um Miss Hinton for 01:13:06.719 --> 01:13:09.416 coming along and speaking on behalf 01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:12.440 of the Queen Players Group. and I'll 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:14.456 speak in a moment to some of the points 01:13:14.480 --> 01:13:16.936 that she raised. I'd also like to thank 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:19.736 staff for pre preparing this document 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:22.616 which some people may recall um arose 01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:25.640 out of the um review of costs and um 01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:28.776 during the the development of the 01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:31.800 special rate variation. So I also wanted 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:33.655 to congratulate the Queen Beian Players 01:13:33.679 --> 01:13:36.135 because 60 years of service to our 01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:38.456 community is quite an achievement for a 01:13:38.480 --> 01:13:40.616 regional community theater company and 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:42.936 it's worth celebrating as the Queen 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.016 Players are planning to do on the 14th 01:13:45.040 --> 01:13:48.040 of September at the queue. The Queen 01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:50.056 Performing Arts Center supports groups 01:13:50.080 --> 01:13:52.456 such as this and other regional artists 01:13:52.480 --> 01:13:54.536 to showcase their talents, to nurture 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:56.936 new talent, and to bring new stories to 01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:59.576 the stage. As the report notes, the 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:01.496 Q-based Echo Theater Company has 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.175 developed several productions that have 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:05.175 been selected for touring. The 01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:07.096 performing arts center also provides a 01:14:07.120 --> 01:14:09.336 venue for exhibitions, special events, 01:14:09.360 --> 01:14:11.736 and fundraisers such as Home and Queen 01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:14.456 Beian's annual film night. It brings to 01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:16.456 Queenbian shows that tour around 01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:19.256 Australia, stage productions, concerts, 01:14:19.280 --> 01:14:21.256 and the finalists in the Manhattan Short 01:14:21.280 --> 01:14:24.280 Film Festival. The business plan review 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.376 identified the broader economic benefits 01:14:26.400 --> 01:14:28.616 for the local government area which are 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:31.175 substantial. The social benefits cannot 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:33.655 be distilled to a monetary value but 01:14:33.679 --> 01:14:35.576 include providing opportunities to 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:37.576 reflect on human experience and our 01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:40.376 place in the world. Like most services 01:14:40.400 --> 01:14:42.296 that council provides which generate 01:14:42.320 --> 01:14:44.695 community as well as personal benefits, 01:14:44.719 --> 01:14:46.776 council subsidizes the operating costs 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:49.016 of the performing arts center. Last 01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:51.416 financial year it amounted to around $10 01:14:51.440 --> 01:14:53.336 per person. across the local government 01:14:53.360 --> 01:14:56.360 area. The return on investment is higher 01:14:56.400 --> 01:14:58.296 than for other facilities that council 01:14:58.320 --> 01:15:00.856 operates. That information is in the 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:03.880 report. There is strong local interest 01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:05.736 and support for the performing arts 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.056 center and making it widely accessible 01:15:08.080 --> 01:15:10.536 is a desirable goal and that also is 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:12.456 reflected in the review. And to the 01:15:12.480 --> 01:15:14.936 points that Miss Hinton raised, um 01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:17.960 affordability for our local um groups 01:15:18.719 --> 01:15:21.336 that perform, our performers, our 01:15:21.360 --> 01:15:24.135 artists, as well as for patrons is 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.776 very important. So, can I ask the staff? 01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.800 Um, I know the report mentions that in 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:31.976 order to contain some of the technical 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.000 costs for use of the queue, , council 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:39.239 staff identified employing someone to do 01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:41.175 some of that work rather than using 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:43.576 contractors um, is actually saving 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:46.215 money. So I'm one I wonder if they've 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:49.096 turned their mind to other ways that 01:15:49.120 --> 01:15:52.056 council could reduce the costs which can 01:15:52.080 --> 01:15:54.616 those savings can then be passed on to 01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:57.175 groups such as the Queen Beian players. 01:15:57.199 --> 01:15:59.096 Miss Richards 01:15:59.120 --> 01:16:02.120 through you um Deputy Mayor. yes, 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.960 we're constantly thinking about how 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:07.655 we can make this venue accessible 01:16:07.679 --> 01:16:09.655 particularly to our valued community 01:16:09.679 --> 01:16:12.679 associations like Queen Beam Players. 01:16:12.719 --> 01:16:15.336 Just um a little bit earlier I was doing 01:16:15.360 --> 01:16:17.576 some review of the higher costs for the 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:20.600 queue. In 2023 24 they were 850 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.199 performance. 2425 they went down to 800 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:28.199 and 2526 that has reduced again to 755. 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:31.896 So in fact it's not gone up it's gone 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:34.856 down. Having said that there are some 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.655 costs that may have increased and that 01:16:37.679 --> 01:16:40.056 is probably technical costs. 01:16:40.080 --> 01:16:41.816 technical costs we have traditionally 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.376 hired out at cost. So our service 01:16:44.400 --> 01:16:46.456 provider is Eclipse. We now have a 01:16:46.480 --> 01:16:49.016 technical officer on site. So if the 01:16:49.040 --> 01:16:52.040 technical needs um are able to be 01:16:53.360 --> 01:16:56.056 accomplished by one person, then that 01:16:56.080 --> 01:16:58.616 person that will be a reduced cost to 01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:01.640 anybody who's hiring. If you want um um 01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:05.239 more detailed and more complex technical 01:17:05.440 --> 01:17:07.416 outcome for your show, then the 01:17:07.440 --> 01:17:09.336 technical costs are always going to be 01:17:09.360 --> 01:17:11.096 higher. The other thing we're looking at 01:17:11.120 --> 01:17:13.976 is there's a $5 indoor ticketing fee. 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:15.576 We're looking at potentially having a 01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.600 print your own at home ticketing or have 01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:21.336 it on your phone or whatever. So, um 01:17:21.360 --> 01:17:23.976 that could reduce that ticketing fee. 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.056 It's some things that are problematic is 01:17:26.080 --> 01:17:27.976 that cleaning costs are going up and 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:29.896 cleaning costs are every day because we 01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:32.920 have um 300 500 people in that theater 01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:35.496 so they have to happen every day. Um so 01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:37.175 we can't do much about that. We pass 01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:39.816 those things on at cost. So we are 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:41.175 looking for how we can make it better 01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:42.776 for the Queen and Players. We provide 01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:45.800 storage space as well um at no fee. So 01:17:46.719 --> 01:17:48.296 we're always looking to partner with 01:17:48.320 --> 01:17:51.320 them to make um her arrangements better. 01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:55.175 thank you. Um can I ask um Miss 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:58.199 Hinton mentioned that the group often 01:17:58.480 --> 01:18:00.936 finds it's ineligible for grants. I'm 01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.336 wondering um they may not know that 01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:05.175 there is a grants officer. Council 01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:08.199 employs somebody to assist different 01:18:08.480 --> 01:18:10.695 groups u to apply for grants and 01:18:10.719 --> 01:18:12.056 actually lets them know when there might 01:18:12.080 --> 01:18:14.776 be something suitable. So perhaps um 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.096 council staff could contact the Queenium 01:18:17.120 --> 01:18:19.416 Players and um ensure that they know 01:18:19.440 --> 01:18:22.296 about that opportunity and um if they're 01:18:22.320 --> 01:18:24.856 interested work with them to see if 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.175 there's other sources of funding that 01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:30.199 might help defay their costs. Thank you. 01:18:30.400 --> 01:18:31.976 Thank you, Councelor Willis. Is there 01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:33.816 any councelor Grundy? 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:35.655 thank you, Deputy Mayor. I would 01:18:35.679 --> 01:18:38.679 like to propose a very small amendment 01:18:40.320 --> 01:18:43.175 if I may. So instead of the word endorse 01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:46.199 just replace it with um note so that it 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.960 reads that council notes or notes the 01:18:50.400 --> 01:18:53.336 Quebeian performing arts center the Q 01:18:53.360 --> 01:18:56.360 review to be placed on the QPRC website 01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:02.215 and I'm happy to speak to that giving 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:05.239 some councelor Wilson is happy with 01:19:05.440 --> 01:19:08.440 that. Um, councelor Willis is 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.296 , no I'm not, but I and I'll if 01:19:12.320 --> 01:19:14.056 necessary I'll comment on that when 01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:16.776 councelor Grundy , if she gets a 01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:19.175 second. 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.576 Thank you. Um, as I say it's a it's a 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:23.175 minute change. Um, 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.416 do you want to keep the change? Um, and 01:19:25.440 --> 01:19:27.896 then make an amendment. 01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:30.695 Um, I would I would prefer my amendment 01:19:30.719 --> 01:19:33.719 was up there to speak to. Yes. So um so 01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:36.376 you're moving the amendment if I can get 01:19:36.400 --> 01:19:38.936 a seconder for councelor Grundy's 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.896 amendment. 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:42.056 I 01:19:42.080 --> 01:19:44.856 think that has lapsed. 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:46.616 So councelor Grundy, would you like to 01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:48.616 speak to the motion? 01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.640 Yes, I would. Um, 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:53.896 that's a terrible shame and I think it's 01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:56.776 a shame because it illustrates in many 01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:59.800 ways um how this council 01:20:01.360 --> 01:20:04.360 makes decisions and they fall into 01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:07.175 consequences later down the track that 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:10.199 may not have been intended. So the word 01:20:10.320 --> 01:20:13.320 note means council formally acknowledges 01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:17.159 the document as being received. So by 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:21.880 removing or replacing note in place 01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:25.800 of endorse endorse has an entirely 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.920 different meaning. 01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.976 Endorse takes a further step an 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.000 additional step to adopt the contents 01:20:35.679 --> 01:20:37.976 the findings or the recommendations 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.000 within the document. 01:20:41.040 --> 01:20:44.040 it can carry policy even financial 01:20:45.120 --> 01:20:46.856 consequences 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.816 and I refer to the fact that um in 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:51.655 this document there's a business plan 01:20:51.679 --> 01:20:54.679 review and there are various cost 01:20:55.120 --> 01:20:58.120 references in the content. So that is 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.560 why I put forward the U proposed 01:21:02.320 --> 01:21:05.016 amendment and as I say it's a shame that 01:21:05.040 --> 01:21:08.040 it hasn't got up because um by leaving 01:21:08.400 --> 01:21:11.016 the word endorse I think there may may 01:21:11.040 --> 01:21:14.040 well be some followon 01:21:15.280 --> 01:21:18.280 consequences for this council. 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:19.896 Thank you councelor Grandundy and I'll 01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:22.920 go to councelor Preston. 01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:25.336 Thank you deputy mayor. Um just 01:21:25.360 --> 01:21:27.175 whilst we're not actually debating that 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.096 um I would suggest that the endorsing it 01:21:29.120 --> 01:21:31.175 is endorsing it to be put on the website 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.135 and not much more than that. Um but I 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.936 did want to speak just quickly to the um 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:38.776 to the motion that and endorse a lot of 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.256 what councelor Willis um said in her 01:21:41.280 --> 01:21:44.280 opening remarks about how important 01:21:44.320 --> 01:21:47.320 um the impact is for for the community. 01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:49.655 just a couple of figures that I I 01:21:49.679 --> 01:21:51.576 wanted to pull out of the of the 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:54.600 accompanying report. The 5.8 8 million 01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:58.520 to GRP that that it generates and the 58 01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:02.600 jobs that that come out of that. 01:22:02.719 --> 01:22:04.056 Um there are other figures in there 01:22:04.080 --> 01:22:07.080 about the impact of of of the arts in 01:22:08.320 --> 01:22:11.320 or the the um the arts in the general 01:22:11.440 --> 01:22:12.856 community and that it's a massive 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.880 figure. It's it the arts cannot be under 01:22:16.400 --> 01:22:19.400 can unfortunately um you put a monetary 01:22:20.719 --> 01:22:22.376 figure on it and it has been done pretty 01:22:22.400 --> 01:22:24.936 comprehensively u um both at a federal 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:27.496 and and at a federal level and 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:29.976 that was outlined in the report. Um I 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.000 did um want to also back in what 01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:36.456 councelor Wills's questions were about 01:22:36.480 --> 01:22:39.175 in in respect to um some of the other 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:41.496 organizations that do use the queue and 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.520 I I know the um the the Bangador EPA 01:22:45.120 --> 01:22:48.120 dance studio tends not to use the queue 01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:51.016 because of cost um and have gone down to 01:22:51.040 --> 01:22:54.040 of all places to to tugong um in in 01:22:54.480 --> 01:22:56.936 the act which I think is very 01:22:56.960 --> 01:22:58.615 disappointing and if there were ways we 01:22:58.639 --> 01:23:01.639 could invest ate how those those 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:04.760 organizations could be um encouraged 01:23:05.040 --> 01:23:07.736 and assisted in in using it in as we go 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:10.695 forward. But I do want to endorse the um 01:23:10.719 --> 01:23:13.496 the the review to be placed on the 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:16.135 QPR website and to acknowledge the 01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.856 the the the significant impact that it 01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:21.416 does have on the our community. 01:23:21.440 --> 01:23:23.096 Thank you, Councelor Preston. Councelor 01:23:23.120 --> 01:23:24.615 Whouse. 01:23:24.639 --> 01:23:27.639 Yes. Thanks, Chair. Um, I endorse those 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:30.376 statements from , Council Preston and 01:23:30.400 --> 01:23:33.400 from Willis, Council Willis as well. Um, 01:23:33.440 --> 01:23:35.336 but I actually do quite like the word 01:23:35.360 --> 01:23:37.655 endorse on this particular matter 01:23:37.679 --> 01:23:40.679 because of the thoroughess of the , of 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.655 the document. I'd love to see that kind 01:23:43.679 --> 01:23:46.679 of thoroughess done with lots of our 01:23:46.719 --> 01:23:49.719 places like that sort of evaluative work 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:52.296 done by the staff and congratulations to 01:23:52.320 --> 01:23:54.695 the staff because it's a a very thorough 01:23:54.719 --> 01:23:55.976 document. 01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.856 well researched, well explained, etc. 01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:00.776 Um, and we probably need to use that as 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.800 a model for our evaluation of a our 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.496 big places. So the the sports complex, 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:09.016 for instance, once it gets up and 01:24:09.040 --> 01:24:11.256 running, if we could get evaluations 01:24:11.280 --> 01:24:13.816 like that every few years, I think we'd 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.296 be in a better place to be able to make 01:24:16.320 --> 01:24:18.296 sort of really good decisions about it. 01:24:18.320 --> 01:24:20.296 It's very thorough and so I personally 01:24:20.320 --> 01:24:21.816 do endorse it. I think it's a terrific 01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.256 document. 01:24:23.280 --> 01:24:25.096 Thank you, Council Waterhouse. Is there 01:24:25.120 --> 01:24:28.120 any other dis council Wilson? 01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:30.135 A couple of quick comments from me 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:31.736 with with the start of a quick question. 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.456 Um mayor, deputy mayor, I'll get it 01:24:34.480 --> 01:24:37.096 right eventually. Um I went to the Frank 01:24:37.120 --> 01:24:39.816 Pangello Heritage Library and and Frank 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.840 gave a Castroesque speech, I'll say um 01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:46.376 in its length and but his proudest 01:24:46.400 --> 01:24:47.896 achievement I think actually I talked 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:49.175 about one of the great assets is the 01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:50.695 park. The other one is the queue. I 01:24:50.719 --> 01:24:53.175 think um it was meant to be a plaque or 01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:55.016 something. Can staff take on notice to 01:24:55.040 --> 01:24:57.416 follow up about a plaque that was never 01:24:57.440 --> 01:24:59.256 placed on I think the state government 01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:01.576 made contribution to it? I know that the 01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:02.936 the reason I raise it is because the 01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:04.215 report says it was opened by his 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:07.016 excellency um the governor general 01:25:07.040 --> 01:25:08.776 and I think there was state money as 01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:09.896 well but that's just a question that 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:12.920 Jackie maybe can take on notice. Um 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.096 thanks chair. And that my actual 01:25:15.120 --> 01:25:18.120 contribution is um I I honestly can't 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:20.135 remember being part of the the council 01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:22.456 to request I I I don't I don't think the 01:25:22.480 --> 01:25:23.896 Q should ever have to sing for its 01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:26.920 supper. it is a highly valued um 01:25:28.320 --> 01:25:30.856 facility. It definitely contributes to 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:32.936 our community. That said, as councelor 01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:34.376 Waterhouse has said, it's probably good 01:25:34.400 --> 01:25:36.695 to have that um additional evidence 01:25:36.719 --> 01:25:39.016 there to show that. picking up on 01:25:39.040 --> 01:25:42.040 councelor Preston's point um I think 01:25:42.480 --> 01:25:45.480 might ask staff to give some thinking to 01:25:46.639 --> 01:25:48.776 not category H but how we do some 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.096 subsidized sort of fees that cover 01:25:51.120 --> 01:25:53.896 cleaning etc. but but are a bit more 01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:55.175 low cost so that we've got some of our 01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:56.536 community organizations using ours 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:57.976 rather than going down to the Arendelle 01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:00.615 theater or something like that. So yeah 01:26:00.639 --> 01:26:02.456 I'll just leave it there. Thank you. 01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:05.256 Thank you councelor Wilson. Um if 01:26:05.280 --> 01:26:07.256 there's no further speakers, I will 01:26:07.280 --> 01:26:08.776 councelor Willis, did you want to sum it 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:09.496 up? 01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:11.896 just briefly to say, you know, 01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:13.336 most of the councilors who've spoken 01:26:13.360 --> 01:26:15.816 have endorsed the importance of the the 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.296 venue and what it provides for our 01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:20.856 community. Um the reason I think we 01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:22.456 should endorse it is because it is a 01:26:22.480 --> 01:26:24.215 thorough piece of work. It's taken a bit 01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:26.536 longer than I had hoped, but it's it's a 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.560 good product and it sets out the the 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:33.000 different purposes and the important 01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:36.280 policy objectives which is includes 01:26:36.320 --> 01:26:39.320 building talent. So the fact that um 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.976 this council has been able to support a 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:45.000 theater company to produce 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.496 productions, theater productions that 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.416 are touring. 01:26:49.440 --> 01:26:52.440 you know that that is of note and 01:26:52.719 --> 01:26:54.936 there's a a range of policy 01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.016 objectives that are clearly articulated 01:26:57.040 --> 01:26:59.096 in the document and I'm happy to endorse 01:26:59.120 --> 01:27:01.096 them. We had a workshop where we ran 01:27:01.120 --> 01:27:03.816 through this document and I didn't hear 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.456 anybody suggesting that any of those 01:27:06.480 --> 01:27:09.336 policy objectives were were 01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:12.296 unsupportable or undesirable. So for 01:27:12.320 --> 01:27:14.615 that reason I think we should endorse it 01:27:14.639 --> 01:27:17.496 and as others have said look at 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.520 how we can make sure we can um provide 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:23.816 the facility it obviously some costs 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.376 have to be um funded like cleaning costs 01:27:26.400 --> 01:27:28.695 are necessary fire safety all those 01:27:28.719 --> 01:27:31.719 things they are they do increase but um 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.695 to make it as accessible as possible 01:27:34.719 --> 01:27:37.175 including things such as the free 01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:39.096 Shakespeare production that was held in 01:27:39.120 --> 01:27:41.736 summer those sorts of things we do We do 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:43.896 need to keep an eye on that. 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:45.655 Thank you, Councelor Willis. I will now 01:27:45.679 --> 01:27:47.976 put the motion. All those in favor. That 01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:49.976 is councelor Broadbent, Councelor 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.936 McDonald, Councelor Tuscosski, Councelor 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:55.096 Preston, Councelor Waterhouse, Councelor 01:27:55.120 --> 01:27:56.856 Willis, Councelor Wilson, Councelor 01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:59.416 Livermore. Those are those against. 01:27:59.440 --> 01:28:01.655 Councelor Grundy, that motion is being 01:28:01.679 --> 01:28:03.736 carried. 01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:06.760 Chair, might I um propose a procedural 01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:11.239 motion? It's I promise you it is not 01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.056 self-indulgent. However, it relates to 01:28:14.080 --> 01:28:16.695 my notice of motion at 12.2. I note the 01:28:16.719 --> 01:28:19.096 presence in the public gallery of a 01:28:19.120 --> 01:28:22.120 gentleman who I believe is here 01:28:23.040 --> 01:28:25.816 principally at least for that purpose. 01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:27.416 Yep. 01:28:27.440 --> 01:28:30.440 Then so um can I get a move? So moved by 01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:36.215 councelor McDonald and seconded by 01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:39.239 councel Wilson to um move your item what 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:42.760 number was set 12.2 01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.016 um 01:28:45.040 --> 01:28:48.040 to to now all those in favor that is 01:28:48.639 --> 01:28:51.639 unanimous and that is carried. Um, 01:28:51.679 --> 01:28:54.456 Councelor McDonald, not self-indulging 01:28:54.480 --> 01:28:56.536 yourself, but , moving the motion , 01:28:56.560 --> 01:28:58.296 notice of motion as in the business 01:28:58.320 --> 01:28:58.695 paper. 01:28:58.719 --> 01:29:00.456 Business paper. Yes, indeed. 01:29:00.480 --> 01:29:02.615 Um, and then can I get a second for the 01:29:02.639 --> 01:29:05.016 motion? Councelor Wilson, Councelor 01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:05.896 McDonald. 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:08.376 Well, thank you, Chair, and , and to 01:29:08.400 --> 01:29:10.856 colleagues for your indulgence of , of 01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:13.736 bringing this matter forward. And I , 01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:15.655 appreciate in the gallery the presence 01:29:15.679 --> 01:29:18.679 of Mr. Hughes, Andy Hughes who is 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.000 whilst um um we have many skilled um 01:29:26.639 --> 01:29:28.135 people 01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:31.159 in particular niches in our in our 01:29:31.280 --> 01:29:34.280 region. U Mr. uses niches and skills 01:29:35.280 --> 01:29:38.280 in in transport training and and 01:29:38.400 --> 01:29:41.400 specifically has um experience and 01:29:41.440 --> 01:29:44.440 interest in training for drivers for 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.840 wheelchair accessible taxis. and they 01:29:50.480 --> 01:29:53.480 are um in the the the taxis or um 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.800 commonly known as Watts WAT 01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:01.159 abbreviated to um are are sadly rare 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:06.760 and indeed in in our region right 01:30:08.080 --> 01:30:11.080 across the LGA do not exist. There 01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:15.560 has been um occurrences um sporadically 01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:21.159 though um though sadly not a feature 01:30:22.400 --> 01:30:25.096 presently in our in our transport 01:30:25.120 --> 01:30:26.695 system. 01:30:26.719 --> 01:30:29.576 This matter was brought to me first um 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:31.736 chairing the disability access 01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:34.760 committee and and it shocked me 01:30:35.360 --> 01:30:38.135 and I spoke to one lady who I am sure 01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:39.496 and while I haven't cleared it with her 01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:41.816 won't mind being named and and she's 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:44.056 member of the committee named Annette 01:30:44.080 --> 01:30:47.080 and Annette uses a power chair a a 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:50.215 powered wheelchair to to get around. 01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:52.215 Indeed, we have several members of the 01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:55.239 committee who who do so. 01:30:55.679 --> 01:30:58.679 And I put it in a practical sense to a 01:30:58.719 --> 01:31:01.719 to Annette and I said, "Okay, well, 01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:04.615 let's say you wanted to get from your 01:31:04.639 --> 01:31:07.639 home up toward Carabar down to the plaza 01:31:10.639 --> 01:31:13.096 to do something to run some errands. How 01:31:13.120 --> 01:31:15.976 would you do that?" And she said, "Well, 01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:17.816 she has the option of getting in her 01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:20.840 chair and going all that way." And for 01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:24.056 those who have been in power chairs or 01:31:24.080 --> 01:31:27.080 in um in in in accessible vehicles um 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.615 to get a sense of how daunting that can 01:31:32.639 --> 01:31:35.096 be with with cracked pavements and with 01:31:35.120 --> 01:31:36.695 cars 01:31:36.719 --> 01:31:39.719 um I think that's an unviable option. 01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:41.736 Another option of course is to get on 01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:43.576 the bus. Now I I I caught the bus 01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:46.600 recently from Queian and saw the the 01:31:47.440 --> 01:31:50.440 the opportunity for people in a in a 01:31:51.040 --> 01:31:54.040 wheelchair. it is not um it is I'm 01:31:57.199 --> 01:31:59.016 sure meets some regulation but I would 01:31:59.040 --> 01:32:02.040 not myself be comfortable and and I know 01:32:02.080 --> 01:32:04.376 from other users of wheelchairs they are 01:32:04.400 --> 01:32:06.296 not comfortable because there's limit 01:32:06.320 --> 01:32:09.320 there's very limited um safety rails 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:13.960 or or lockins to to it's more or less a 01:32:14.320 --> 01:32:17.320 space on a bus that you park your chair. 01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:19.816 So they're the options 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:22.776 because we have this situation. It's 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:24.695 rather bureaucratic 01:32:24.719 --> 01:32:27.719 um that there is a there is a um a 01:32:29.440 --> 01:32:31.576 subsidy scheme. It's called the taxi 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:34.536 transport subsidy scheme which operates 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.560 um in New South Wales 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:40.600 or in the ACT but not bilaterally. 01:32:41.360 --> 01:32:44.360 And so for a person who might have 01:32:44.719 --> 01:32:47.719 specialist needs in in in the ACT to 01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:51.016 be picked up from their home in 01:32:51.040 --> 01:32:54.040 Queensland and taken to the ACT, the 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.016 the transport subsidy scheme, the taxi 01:32:57.040 --> 01:32:59.496 subsidy scheme does not pay out. So for 01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:01.736 people who who need it the most, they 01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:04.760 have no ability to do that. and few 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.960 drivers noting the the assistance 01:33:08.320 --> 01:33:11.320 that they receive from the state 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:14.056 governments and and and in the CRA's 01:33:14.080 --> 01:33:17.080 case the territory government um will 01:33:17.280 --> 01:33:20.280 not make themselves available. So people 01:33:20.320 --> 01:33:22.056 are left 01:33:22.080 --> 01:33:23.576 um 01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.376 you know left wanting and and and and 01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:29.175 relying on a on a family member or 01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:31.416 friend who may have a car which can 01:33:31.440 --> 01:33:34.440 which can fill that void. Um, it should 01:33:34.639 --> 01:33:37.639 just be as easy in my view for people 01:33:37.679 --> 01:33:39.976 who use a wheelchair as it is for me to 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:41.896 get in my car and decide I need 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.856 something at the shop. And by by that I 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:46.536 mean they should be able to call a car, 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:49.560 call a taxi and use that um just as 01:33:51.440 --> 01:33:53.896 anyone else ought be able to or is 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:56.920 able to. and whilst I read the staff 01:33:58.719 --> 01:34:01.719 comments that that there is there 01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:04.776 is some recent advice from the from the 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:06.376 crossber commissioner and I 01:34:06.400 --> 01:34:09.016 appreciate those comments but they are 01:34:09.040 --> 01:34:11.736 comments which the members of the the 01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:13.736 disability access committee have heard 01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:15.576 at nauseium and had all this flannel for 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:18.215 years and hope and things start and they 01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:21.239 fail and what we don't have is 01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:23.736 you're coming to your 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.135 I suspect I suspect It has. I'm 01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:28.615 passionate about this. May chair, I'll 01:34:28.639 --> 01:34:31.096 I'll yield and and and pick up the 01:34:31.120 --> 01:34:33.496 rest at the tail. Thank you. 01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:35.496 Thank you, Council McDonald. 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:36.936 Councelor Wilson, would you like to 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.456 speak to this motion? 01:34:38.480 --> 01:34:41.480 Um thank you, Chair. I just 01:34:42.639 --> 01:34:45.175 happy to support this this motion. Um 01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:46.536 I'm not entirely sure we'll be able to 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:47.655 convene, but we can certainly put a 01:34:47.679 --> 01:34:49.976 meeting on and invite everyone along. 01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:51.736 but I just thought I'd ask you through 01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:54.695 chair. I understand the GM has there 01:34:54.719 --> 01:34:56.856 there has been some discussions QPRC 01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:59.016 have been involved with or yeah 01:34:59.040 --> 01:35:01.256 Miss Ryan 01:35:01.280 --> 01:35:03.496 thank you deputy mayor yes the mayor 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:06.520 has been advocating for this um as a 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:08.456 result of what's been raised with the 01:35:08.480 --> 01:35:10.376 disability with the access committee um 01:35:10.400 --> 01:35:11.736 and that's where the update has come 01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:13.096 from the New South Wales crossber 01:35:13.120 --> 01:35:15.655 commissioner 01:35:15.679 --> 01:35:18.679 thank you GM yes I think that 01:35:19.440 --> 01:35:21.496 probably says we need to leave it at 01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:24.215 that But it is obviously is an issue. 01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:26.615 It does need to get resolved and I think 01:35:26.639 --> 01:35:28.215 it is on us to take forward that 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.056 advocacy. I mean that is partly what our 01:35:30.080 --> 01:35:31.496 committees are for. So thank you 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:32.536 councelor McDonald for bring this 01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:33.655 forward 01:35:33.679 --> 01:35:35.496 and sorry and to the mayor as well for 01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:37.175 what he's done as well. 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:38.695 Thank you council Wilson. Is there any 01:35:38.719 --> 01:35:40.296 further discussion on this item? 01:35:40.320 --> 01:35:43.320 Councelor Broadbin. Um, I without 01:35:43.440 --> 01:35:44.695 question will be supporting this motion, 01:35:44.719 --> 01:35:47.096 but I also want to echo thanks to 01:35:47.120 --> 01:35:50.056 Andy for his ongoing advocacy for all 01:35:50.080 --> 01:35:53.080 sorts of issues, not just um Watts um 01:35:53.440 --> 01:35:55.256 but but also all sorts of things to do 01:35:55.280 --> 01:35:57.896 with motor safety and and and yeah, 01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:00.856 everything across Queian um really 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:03.880 important and it's a unknown um area of 01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:06.135 expertise that I didn't expect to 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:08.615 actually meet someone that specializes 01:36:08.639 --> 01:36:11.096 in in training people to drive random 01:36:11.120 --> 01:36:13.096 different vehicles and and whatnot. So, 01:36:13.120 --> 01:36:15.576 appreciate it. Thank you. 01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:17.096 Thank you, councelor Broadband. Any 01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:20.120 further discussion? 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:24.520 Councelor Dowski, deputy mayor, our ex 01:36:24.639 --> 01:36:27.639 committee we discussed back in the ' 90s 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:31.000 and we only succeed to do footpasses 01:36:31.280 --> 01:36:33.496 from their home to the main road to be 01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:36.520 taken off. Otherwise the state 01:36:37.120 --> 01:36:39.496 government those days did not support it 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:41.416 because of the transport and the other 01:36:41.440 --> 01:36:44.376 things it cost a lot of money that was 01:36:44.400 --> 01:36:46.936 the money problem then I don't know now 01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:48.376 if the state government has got that 01:36:48.400 --> 01:36:51.256 much money to support it. 01:36:51.280 --> 01:36:53.016 Thank you councelor Scottsky and then 01:36:53.040 --> 01:36:54.695 next time you um just chat if you just 01:36:54.719 --> 01:36:56.296 bring the mic a bit closer to you next 01:36:56.320 --> 01:36:59.320 time. Um but councelor McDonald um I 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:01.175 don't believe there's any Oh councelor 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:02.936 Willis and then we'll sum it up. 01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:04.536 Thank you. I just wanted to respond to 01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:07.560 council of Tascosk's observation. Um the 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:10.215 the country has quite a lot of money. 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:12.215 it just we have governments that choose 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:14.536 to spend it in particular ways and we 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:17.175 actually could afford to invest more in 01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:19.736 supporting people who need that support 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:22.215 and there's ongoing discussion at a a 01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.776 federal level about support that isn't 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:27.655 provided but could be afforded if 01:37:27.679 --> 01:37:29.816 decisions were made differently about 01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:32.056 taxing and spending. Thank you, 01:37:32.080 --> 01:37:33.576 Councelor Willis. Is there any further 01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:35.976 discussion? If not, I'll hand it over to 01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:37.416 Council McDonald to sum it up. 01:37:37.440 --> 01:37:39.816 Thanks, Chair and Councelor Willis 01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:42.840 preempted my observation to to 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:46.456 Councelor Tascowski's point. Everything 01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:48.376 costs money. It's a matter of 01:37:48.400 --> 01:37:51.336 prioritizing it. and where members of 01:37:51.360 --> 01:37:54.360 our community don't have access to 01:37:54.800 --> 01:37:57.800 enjoy our community as the rest of us 01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:01.159 do. I I argue that that is an investment 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:04.199 worth making. Um look in closing this 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:09.000 is as I said a matter of bureaucracy. 01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:12.056 Um we need to get back to first 01:38:12.080 --> 01:38:13.896 principles and the first principles are 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.296 as stated that that we need a wheelchair 01:38:16.320 --> 01:38:17.816 accessible taxi. We need wheelchair 01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:20.840 accessible taxis in our region and we 01:38:21.440 --> 01:38:24.440 don't need more hurdles or reasons why 01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:27.576 this can't happen because of agreements. 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.456 Agreements written by states, written by 01:38:30.480 --> 01:38:33.095 governments, regulations, they are they 01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:34.456 didn't drop out of the sky. They're 01:38:34.480 --> 01:38:36.936 written by people. Unwrite them, change 01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:39.095 them, and get a wheelchair accessible 01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:42.056 taxi here so as that people who rely on 01:38:42.080 --> 01:38:45.080 them in our community can use them. 01:38:46.080 --> 01:38:47.736 Thank you, Councelor McDonald. I will 01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:50.760 now put the motion. All those in favor. 01:38:51.040 --> 01:38:53.976 That is unanimous. Oh, um, councelor. 01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:56.456 Oh, that is unanimous. Thank you. Um, 01:38:56.480 --> 01:38:58.856 and thank you for moving that motion 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.256 forward and seeing someone in the back 01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:03.576 for that long. But we'll move to item 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:05.095 9.5, 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:07.256 , proposed road naming in Charlie in 01:39:07.280 --> 01:39:09.655 Bangor. Um, moved by councelor Grundy, 01:39:09.679 --> 01:39:11.655 seconded by councelor Broadbent. 01:39:11.679 --> 01:39:12.856 Councelor Grundy, would you like to 01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:13.736 speak to the motion? 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:15.095 I'll reserve. Thank you 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:17.496 councelor Broadbent. Any other speakers 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:19.816 to this motion? 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:21.736 There is no speaker. So I will put the 01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:23.896 motion. All those in favor that is 01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:26.056 unanimously carried. Moving on to item 01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:29.080 9.6 post exhibition policy report. Can I 01:39:29.440 --> 01:39:31.976 get a mover for this motion? CH 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:34.056 councelor Waterhouse seconded by 01:39:34.080 --> 01:39:36.376 councelor Preston. Councelor Waterhouse, 01:39:36.400 --> 01:39:37.416 would you like to speak to this? 01:39:37.440 --> 01:39:39.016 No, I'll reserve as well. 01:39:39.040 --> 01:39:42.040 Councelor Preston's reserving. Any other 01:39:42.400 --> 01:39:44.215 councelor McDonald, would you like to 01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:45.016 speak to this one? 01:39:45.040 --> 01:39:47.095 I wouldn't only like to speak. I'd like 01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:49.496 to amend it to excise the directional 01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:52.376 signage policy. 01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:55.095 Um 01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:58.119 um I don't know how I 01:39:59.440 --> 01:40:01.416 as an amendment, please. 01:40:01.440 --> 01:40:04.440 Yep. 01:40:05.440 --> 01:40:07.256 So that would be council proceed to 01:40:07.280 --> 01:40:10.280 adopt the following policies. 01:40:13.679 --> 01:40:16.536 Um, is there a seconder for this motion? 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:18.936 Councelor Broadbent. Councelor McDonald. 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:20.456 I'll have you speak to the motion. 01:40:20.480 --> 01:40:23.480 Um, thank you, Mayor. , sorry. 01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:26.760 Catching on from from over here. Chair, 01:40:27.440 --> 01:40:29.416 the code of meeting practice says, 01:40:29.440 --> 01:40:31.095 doesn't it? There you are. Chair. Right. 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:34.119 Sorry, Council Wilson. Oh, 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:39.960 behave. Let's go. Look um look the 01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:42.615 reason the reason I I have sought to 01:40:42.639 --> 01:40:45.639 excise the the the sec u whichever 01:40:46.639 --> 01:40:48.215 matter it was whichever number it was 01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:51.239 the directional signage policy um it was 01:40:51.440 --> 01:40:54.440 a matter which was brought to me by a 01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:57.016 small business operator in Queens and 01:40:57.040 --> 01:40:59.095 they operate the friendly grosser and 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:00.936 it's goes under the name of the new 01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:03.960 planet supermarket. Um what this um 01:41:05.280 --> 01:41:08.280 this small business owner um 01:41:08.639 --> 01:41:11.496 suggested was that um where they are 01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:13.736 located which is on Gilmore Place. It's 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:15.976 sort of 01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:17.896 it feels a little out of the way though 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:20.920 it's it's quite it's adjacent to to a 01:41:21.040 --> 01:41:23.816 pretty busy thoroughare 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:26.840 um without having a sign which indicates 01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.655 shops as you see typically in places 01:41:29.679 --> 01:41:31.576 like CRA and things like this. see the 01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:34.600 blue signs and that. Um, , a lot of 01:41:36.080 --> 01:41:37.896 customers don't know where they are. 01:41:37.920 --> 01:41:40.615 Now, this is a a general supermarket. 01:41:40.639 --> 01:41:43.639 Um, and I think it is, , you know, it 01:41:43.679 --> 01:41:45.655 styles itself as a friendly groceryer, 01:41:45.679 --> 01:41:47.816 and I'd argue that they, , have always 01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:49.816 been friendly when I've, , when I've 01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.056 been in there, but not for that reason. 01:41:52.080 --> 01:41:54.936 But, um, for the reasons of , 01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:57.496 supporting businesses. 01:41:57.520 --> 01:42:00.215 Um, obviously the main street speaks for 01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:01.976 itself, but those businesses out of the 01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.856 way with an unoffensive small sign on a 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:07.880 telegraph pole which would give um 01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:11.175 residents and and passes by an 01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:13.896 indication of where that shop is. I 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.695 think we can save or we can assist that 01:42:16.719 --> 01:42:19.016 business to do what they do and we can 01:42:19.040 --> 01:42:22.040 assist the um residents in finding 01:42:23.280 --> 01:42:26.280 the shop. Um this the staff comment 01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:30.456 perplexed me. It said the request is not 01:42:30.480 --> 01:42:33.480 supported by policy. No changes made 01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:36.936 precisely. The the the the submission by 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:39.960 the by the um proponent of this by the 01:42:41.679 --> 01:42:44.679 by the um owner of this um um this 01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:46.456 business. And I should hasten to add 01:42:46.480 --> 01:42:49.016 she's she and her father have operated 01:42:49.040 --> 01:42:50.376 that business for somewhere in the order 01:42:50.400 --> 01:42:52.376 of 40 years. 01:42:52.400 --> 01:42:55.095 Um 50. Thank you, Steve. , Council 01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:58.119 Taskski, there you are. Um, 01:42:58.320 --> 01:42:59.816 but then then to say, well, though the 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:01.976 the the the it's not it's not supported 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:03.736 by the policy. Well, that is indeed the 01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:06.135 very policy which was subject to review. 01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:07.736 And I believe that this is an 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:10.760 opportunity that we review that and 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:13.496 make the changes for the reasons that 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:16.520 I've stated. 01:43:17.440 --> 01:43:19.496 Thank you, Council McDonald's. Councelor 01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:22.456 Broadbent. Yeah, look, the um the reason 01:43:22.480 --> 01:43:25.480 I seconded this is I I think this is a 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:28.600 good example of um an opportunity where, 01:43:28.639 --> 01:43:30.135 you know, we have a we have a bit of a 01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:31.416 history. We've got a lot of policies 01:43:31.440 --> 01:43:33.655 that we go through and we put them out 01:43:33.679 --> 01:43:35.736 for comment and if we're not going to 01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:37.655 look at some of the comments and while 01:43:37.679 --> 01:43:39.256 this one is one comment out of many, it 01:43:39.280 --> 01:43:41.336 is an opportunity I think for us here. 01:43:41.360 --> 01:43:44.135 Um it's an opportunity for us to take 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:47.159 some kind of reasonable and intellectual 01:43:47.360 --> 01:43:49.655 intellectually valuable and I think um 01:43:49.679 --> 01:43:52.615 economically valuable feedback and fold 01:43:52.639 --> 01:43:54.135 that into the policy which is the whole 01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:56.936 point of the exhibition. Um so so for 01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:58.056 that reason I think this this makes 01:43:58.080 --> 01:44:00.776 sense and I'll I urge the rest of you to 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:02.695 support it as well and why not chuck 01:44:02.719 --> 01:44:05.576 another policy on the file. 01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:07.175 Thank you councelor Broadbank. Councelor 01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:08.456 Willis. 01:44:08.480 --> 01:44:11.480 Yes, thank you. Um, I can foresee 01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:17.000 an unhelpful precedent. Um 01:44:18.480 --> 01:44:21.480 and um without wanting to put the 01:44:23.040 --> 01:44:25.095 staff on the spot, I'm just wondering if 01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:28.119 the director of um development and 01:44:29.040 --> 01:44:30.856 environment 01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:33.880 has I mean there's obviously a reason 01:44:34.400 --> 01:44:37.175 um that this request hasn't been 01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:39.095 supported and I don't think it's as cute 01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:41.496 as it's not supported by the policy cuz 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:44.520 the point of putting this policy out was 01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:46.215 to review the policy. 01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:47.976 I mean what are the implications of 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.856 doing this for every business that asks 01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:53.496 and I would think that once we start if 01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:55.416 we were to start doing it other people 01:44:55.440 --> 01:44:57.576 would be asking I mean there must be a 01:44:57.600 --> 01:45:00.135 reason that we don't just advertise 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:03.159 general business and then what else 01:45:03.360 --> 01:45:05.496 would people want like I'm just thinking 01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.520 about the broader implications of this 01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:11.816 suggestion. 01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:14.215 Um, Miss Ryan will be able to answer 01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:15.816 that. So, I'll pass it over to M. 01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:17.256 , thank you, Deputy Mayor. What we'll 01:45:17.280 --> 01:45:20.280 do is I'll um refer this policy to a 01:45:20.480 --> 01:45:22.056 workshop so council can give their 01:45:22.080 --> 01:45:23.655 feedback and we can take on questions 01:45:23.679 --> 01:45:26.679 and provide that analysis for you. I, as 01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:29.095 you know, we've been reviewing these 01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:30.536 policies and councilors have been 01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:33.175 calling in policies for discussion at a 01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:34.856 workshop. This wasn't one of those. So, 01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:37.816 we can certainly do that. 01:45:37.840 --> 01:45:40.456 , thank you. So in that case I assume 01:45:40.480 --> 01:45:43.480 that we need a further amendment or as 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.695 things stand a foreshadowed amendment to 01:45:46.719 --> 01:45:49.719 refer the policy to a workshop. 01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:54.456 Well the problem is we have a a resol a 01:45:54.480 --> 01:45:57.256 recommendation and an amendment 01:45:57.280 --> 01:45:59.655 neither of which one is they're both for 01:45:59.679 --> 01:46:02.679 decisions they're not for postponement. 01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:05.880 So do we not need to postpone it? So, 01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:09.736 what what will be the because I'm not 01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:12.536 endorsing um the amendment when I 01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:15.560 haven't had an opportunity to 01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:18.376 consider the implications. So, I'm not 01:46:18.400 --> 01:46:21.256 endorsing that. Um people are suggesting 01:46:21.280 --> 01:46:22.856 it could be a workshop. Well, that's not 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:24.456 what the recommendation is. 01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:27.480 Can I assist? Um yeah. Um and if the 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:32.119 notetaker might um um be at the ready 01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:36.695 much better typer than I and refer look 01:46:36.719 --> 01:46:39.719 at this mind reading 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:42.856 couldn't have said it better myself 01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:44.215 power that you have there councelor 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:45.095 McDonald 01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:46.936 wonderful 01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:48.856 for votes 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.655 yep I think that's you know 01:46:51.679 --> 01:46:52.776 something that we need in there because 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:54.615 otherwise where it was going um but I 01:46:54.639 --> 01:46:57.639 I'll just go to Councelor Preston. 01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:01.880 Yes. Um I can't see what has been 01:47:02.320 --> 01:47:04.456 altered. 01:47:04.480 --> 01:47:06.936 We'll share it now. Um but council 01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:09.960 McDonald, are you happy with that? Um 01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:12.456 that that's fine. Want to assist council 01:47:12.480 --> 01:47:14.936 president if I read it out. 01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:15.416 Um 01:47:15.440 --> 01:47:16.695 yeah, read it out. 01:47:16.719 --> 01:47:19.719 So it now reads the amendment reads 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:21.976 that council one proceed to adopt the 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.536 following policies. the open burning 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:27.175 policy to the shopping trolley 01:47:27.199 --> 01:47:29.896 management policy and two refer the 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:31.416 directional signage policy to a 01:47:31.440 --> 01:47:34.440 counselor workshop. 01:47:35.280 --> 01:47:35.896 Yep. 01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:38.776 Thank you. 01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:41.800 Um is there then um we've now added that 01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:44.456 is there any further discussion to that? 01:47:44.480 --> 01:47:46.856 We're all happy. Councelor Wilson. 01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:48.456 thanks chair. Just through your 01:47:48.480 --> 01:47:50.296 question, I I sort of get where 01:47:50.320 --> 01:47:51.736 councelor McDonald's coming from and I 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:52.936 think we'll just support this and move 01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:55.960 it off to a workshop. But the way you 01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:57.416 presented it was effectively was a 01:47:57.440 --> 01:48:00.376 request for a sign to say shop this way. 01:48:00.400 --> 01:48:02.296 And how's the policy? Don't we just 01:48:02.320 --> 01:48:04.376 consider add ad hoc things as they come 01:48:04.400 --> 01:48:07.016 to us? Is it are you 01:48:07.040 --> 01:48:08.215 um Yeah. Um, 01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:09.655 how does the current policy work for 01:48:09.679 --> 01:48:10.936 directional signage for someone that 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:13.496 wants a shop sign or in Bangor or Griff 01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:15.655 at the Queen or 01:48:15.679 --> 01:48:17.175 might I suggest that that is something 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:20.199 if if I may through you chair? , I 01:48:20.639 --> 01:48:22.456 suggest that's something council could 01:48:22.480 --> 01:48:25.480 um better articulate than I staff 01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:28.296 might articulate through a course of a 01:48:28.320 --> 01:48:31.095 workshop. However, there is a numerical 01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:34.119 um question on shops 01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:37.560 which enables um directional 01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:39.736 signage 01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:41.896 I'm led to believe which which is a a 01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:44.056 threshold question. 01:48:44.080 --> 01:48:45.736 All right. Thank you. 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:48.376 All right. Well, I think there if 01:48:48.400 --> 01:48:50.776 there's no further discussion Oh, yeah. 01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:52.856 Councelor Tuskovski, 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:53.336 can I just 01:48:53.360 --> 01:48:54.536 And then if you could move your mic a 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:55.896 bit closer. 01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:57.496 Sorry. 01:48:57.520 --> 01:49:00.520 back many years ago, I remember before 01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:03.880 Mayor Ival stepped in, the trolley's 01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:06.135 policy, they were to be managed by the 01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:08.776 council with a fine of $50 or something 01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:11.800 per trolley. And in the meantime when we 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:15.239 brought those policy the river was clean 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:18.135 the parks they were clean nothing 01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:20.536 trolley you can see one or two I don't 01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:22.695 know those policy they're still in in 01:49:22.719 --> 01:49:25.719 the plans to be managed or they've been 01:49:26.080 --> 01:49:28.376 taken off or whatever happened I don't 01:49:28.400 --> 01:49:29.256 know 01:49:29.280 --> 01:49:30.056 I guess we'll figure out 01:49:30.080 --> 01:49:32.615 but they were passed $50 per trolley 01:49:32.639 --> 01:49:33.736 well I guess we'll have a look at that 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:35.496 once we go through a workshop with the 01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:36.215 um 01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:38.536 with these but in saying that councelor 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:40.056 because we've already had councelor , 01:49:40.080 --> 01:49:41.736 did we have you sum it up? No, 01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:42.296 I thought so. 01:49:42.320 --> 01:49:43.896 Yeah. Well, 01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:45.336 okay. Councelor Grunty, 01:49:45.360 --> 01:49:47.256 just I guess a question for 01:49:47.280 --> 01:49:49.095 clarification. It's my understanding 01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:51.976 that what councelor McDonald is 01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:55.000 proposing is not signage for a specific 01:49:55.440 --> 01:49:58.440 shop. It's generic signage, which we've 01:49:59.280 --> 01:50:02.280 seen around um all sorts of towns and 01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:05.576 cities. It's got a blue background, I 01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:07.576 believe, and white writing or black 01:50:07.600 --> 01:50:10.536 writing that just says shops. 01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:13.256 Yeah. And I can't see how there's a 01:50:13.280 --> 01:50:15.016 problem with that because in order to 01:50:15.040 --> 01:50:18.040 have that there, you have to have shops. 01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:20.376 So, we're not suddenly going to get an 01:50:20.400 --> 01:50:23.336 explosion of these blue signs because 01:50:23.360 --> 01:50:25.816 there aren't shops everywhere, little 01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:28.695 clusters of them. I I I just wanted to 01:50:28.719 --> 01:50:30.615 that to be a point of clarification. 01:50:30.639 --> 01:50:32.615 We're not talking about specific 01:50:32.639 --> 01:50:35.639 promotion of a shop or shops plural. 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.800 It's a generic word shops. Yep. Yep. All 01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:43.256 right. Well, I'm going to put this 01:50:43.280 --> 01:50:46.280 motion you know the amendment and 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.256 then if the amendment passes then 01:50:49.280 --> 01:50:51.416 it'll be carried it will then become 01:50:51.440 --> 01:50:53.016 the motion and then we'll we'll then 01:50:53.040 --> 01:50:55.896 proceed to go to that. So I'll move the 01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:58.056 put the amendment. All those in 01:50:58.080 --> 01:51:01.080 favor, that is 01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:03.655 unanimous. And then now we'll move it. 01:51:03.679 --> 01:51:05.576 And now it is a motion. Um, councelor 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:07.016 McDonald's, would you like to speak to 01:51:07.040 --> 01:51:08.936 it? Anybody would like to speak to this? 01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:10.615 Thank goodness. Well, now put the 01:51:10.639 --> 01:51:11.896 motion. All those in favor? 01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:13.175 I'd like to speak to the motion because 01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:14.536 I think I moved it. 01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:16.536 Oh, did you? No, you didn't move it 01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:19.560 because yours was lost because the 01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:21.655 amendment is now the motion. 01:51:21.679 --> 01:51:23.016 No worries. 01:51:23.040 --> 01:51:24.376 Yeah, you can still speak if you would 01:51:24.400 --> 01:51:27.400 like to this to the motion that um 01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:30.376 councelor McDonald just said moods. 01:51:30.400 --> 01:51:31.976 Okay, thank you. It's not really against 01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:34.135 the previous motion anyway. It is just 01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:36.056 an amendment and it's just simply a 01:51:36.080 --> 01:51:38.135 postponement. So, there's no big big 01:51:38.159 --> 01:51:40.056 deal and I think it's quite a rational 01:51:40.080 --> 01:51:43.080 thing. A generic sort of RV sign here or 01:51:43.360 --> 01:51:45.496 there and a shop sign here or there is 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:47.256 is quite suitable for people who are 01:51:47.280 --> 01:51:50.280 visiting and spending their money here. 01:51:51.360 --> 01:51:54.360 All right, I'm going to put put the 01:51:54.400 --> 01:51:57.400 motion. oh, yeah. Well, I did, but 01:51:58.239 --> 01:51:59.816 someone interrupted. Put in the motion. 01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:02.215 All those in favor, that is unanimous 01:52:02.239 --> 01:52:04.695 and that is carried. 01:52:04.719 --> 01:52:07.095 Um 01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:10.119 just um moving to item 9.7. Deputy 01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:14.199 mayor, may I propose a procedural motion 01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:17.016 that council deals with items 9.7, 01:52:17.040 --> 01:52:20.040 10.1, and 10.2 concurrently? 01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:24.376 Um, can I get a second for that? A 01:52:24.400 --> 01:52:26.936 seconded by councelor Wilson. Oh, yep. 01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:29.960 Sorry. Point point of order. Councelor 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:32.056 Grundy is proposing that items for 01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:34.615 determination be rolled into items for 01:52:34.639 --> 01:52:36.215 information. And I don't think that I 01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:37.336 don't have the code of meeting practice 01:52:37.360 --> 01:52:38.536 in front of me, but I'd be very 01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:40.856 surprised if it's permitted. 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:41.816 Yes, 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:43.976 the key word is proposing. So, don't 01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:45.736 don't get excited. 01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:47.736 All right, let's um calm down. Well, we 01:52:47.760 --> 01:52:49.416 we'll we'll just move to item 9.7 01:52:49.440 --> 01:52:51.095 because we are coming up to that 7:30 01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:52.695 mark where we will have a bit of a 01:52:52.719 --> 01:52:55.719 break. Um so moving to um item 9.7. 01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:59.800 can I move get a move for that um that 01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:01.976 item which is councelor Wil Willis and 01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:04.215 then seconded by councelor Preston. 01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:05.655 Councelor Willis, would you like to 01:53:05.679 --> 01:53:08.679 speak to this item? just to note that 01:53:10.080 --> 01:53:12.215 this is an important these declarations 01:53:12.239 --> 01:53:15.095 are an important part of transparency so 01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:16.936 everyone can see any interest that 01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:19.960 councilors have um in the course of 01:53:20.080 --> 01:53:22.615 making their undertaking their work. 01:53:22.639 --> 01:53:25.336 It's it's it is important. I'm not 01:53:25.360 --> 01:53:27.095 sure how many people bother to have a 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:29.095 look at what's there, but they should 01:53:29.119 --> 01:53:32.119 because like FOI laws or or GIA as 01:53:32.960 --> 01:53:34.856 they're called in local government. It's 01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:36.856 important we protect them because we see 01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:39.880 steps underway nationally to roll back 01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:42.296 transparency in government and so we 01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:44.776 should appreciate what we have here 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:47.256 and we should be encouraging people to 01:53:47.280 --> 01:53:49.655 make use of um the provisions. 01:53:49.679 --> 01:53:52.456 Thank you. just um notes that the the 01:53:52.480 --> 01:53:54.776 declarations of current interest are on 01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:56.695 the table. Um councelor Preston, would 01:53:56.719 --> 01:53:58.215 you like to speak to this? No. Is there 01:53:58.239 --> 01:53:59.976 any other speakers? There is no 01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:02.695 speakers. I will put this motion. Um and 01:54:02.719 --> 01:54:05.416 all those in favor, that is unanimous 01:54:05.440 --> 01:54:08.440 and that is carried. Um we are coming up 01:54:08.719 --> 01:54:10.615 to 7:28. 01:54:10.639 --> 01:54:12.936 So we usually have our break at 7:30. 01:54:12.960 --> 01:54:14.456 What we might do is just we'll go for 01:54:14.480 --> 01:54:17.480 that 5 minute break. And um I will move 01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:22.119 that we go into our 5m minute break. Can 01:54:22.320 --> 01:54:24.615 I get a seconder for that? Council 01:54:24.639 --> 01:54:26.135 seconded by councelor McDonald. All 01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:28.376 those in favor that is unanimous and 01:54:28.400 --> 01:54:30.056 that is carried and we'll be back in 5 01:54:30.080 --> 01:54:32.296 minutes. 01:54:32.320 --> 01:54:35.016 All right, we're back online everyone. 01:54:35.040 --> 01:54:38.040 Um and we're um moving back into the 01:54:38.320 --> 01:54:40.215 reports to council items for 01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:43.239 information. 01:54:43.360 --> 01:54:46.360 All right, moving on to item 10.1. The 01:54:46.719 --> 01:54:47.736 Oh, yeah. Council, 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:49.416 that's okay. 01:54:49.440 --> 01:54:51.416 I'll I'll move 10.1. I was going to 01:54:51.440 --> 01:54:53.016 do bunch them together. There's only two 01:54:53.040 --> 01:54:55.256 items in section 10, so 01:54:55.280 --> 01:54:56.296 All right. 01:54:56.320 --> 01:54:59.175 All right. Um moving item 10.1, the 01:54:59.199 --> 01:55:00.936 resolution action sheet, is councelor 01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:02.856 Wilson, seconded by councelor Willis. 01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:04.776 Councelor Wilson, would you like to 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:07.800 speak to the item? No. Councelor Willis, 01:55:08.080 --> 01:55:09.655 thank you. There just a couple of 01:55:09.679 --> 01:55:12.679 points. So I did ask for some detail 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:17.175 on several resolutions and the staff 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:19.736 have provided that to councilors. Can I 01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:22.695 just confirm that the document will be 01:55:22.719 --> 01:55:25.719 updated so that it includes nothing 01:55:26.639 --> 01:55:29.575 that we were given is confidential. So 01:55:29.599 --> 01:55:31.256 just so the public has the same 01:55:31.280 --> 01:55:33.736 information about the trajectory of 01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:36.760 implementing those resolutions. Please 01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:40.135 Mr. R. certainly deputy mayor we'll 01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:42.056 do that. 01:55:42.080 --> 01:55:43.816 All right. Any further discussions on 01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:45.816 this item? If not, I will put the 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:47.896 motion. All those in favor that is 01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:50.536 unanimous and that is 01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:52.456 myself off. That is carried. Moving on 01:55:52.480 --> 01:55:55.016 to 01:55:55.040 --> 01:55:57.736 item. I've lost it. 01:55:57.760 --> 01:55:58.776 10.2. 01:55:58.800 --> 01:55:59.736 Council workshops. 01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:01.575 Council workshops. Can I get a move? 01:56:01.599 --> 01:56:03.496 Moved by councelor Grundy. Seconded by 01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:05.256 councelor Wilson. Councelor Grundy. 01:56:05.280 --> 01:56:06.456 Would you like to speak to the item? 01:56:06.480 --> 01:56:09.480 Councelor Wilson. Um any speakers? 01:56:10.320 --> 01:56:12.936 Councelor two 10.2 council workshops. 01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:14.456 Um if there are no other speakers for 01:56:14.480 --> 01:56:16.215 this item I will put that motion. All 01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:18.056 those in favor that is unanimous and 01:56:18.080 --> 01:56:20.615 that is carried. Moving on to our 01:56:20.639 --> 01:56:23.639 reports of committees. Councelor Wilson. 01:56:24.239 --> 01:56:26.056 chair. Could I move a procedural 01:56:26.080 --> 01:56:28.695 motion that we consider items 01:56:28.719 --> 01:56:31.719 11.1.2.3.4 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:33.575 and.5 01:56:33.599 --> 01:56:36.056 as one item of business? 01:56:36.080 --> 01:56:38.376 can I get a second for that? for that 01:56:38.400 --> 01:56:40.296 procedure motion. Councelor Broadbent. 01:56:40.320 --> 01:56:43.320 Um and I will put that motion. All those 01:56:43.840 --> 01:56:45.496 Yep. Can 01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:46.536 procedural motion. 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:48.215 Just a procedural motion to move all of 01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:51.239 them in together. Um all those in all 01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.536 those four. that is unanimous. And we 01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:57.560 are now looking at items 11.1, 11.2, 01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:01.960 11.3, 4, 11.4 01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:05.575 um and 11.5. Councelor, 01:57:05.599 --> 01:57:07.016 you need a move. Second. Yeah, we've got 01:57:07.040 --> 01:57:08.936 a mover. , councelor Wilson, seconded 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:11.095 by councelor Boardb, 01:57:11.119 --> 01:57:12.215 but for the motions. 01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:13.575 Oh, for the motions. 01:57:13.599 --> 01:57:16.376 For all the motions. Okay. All right. 01:57:16.400 --> 01:57:19.400 Council um moving on to 11.1. Can we get 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:22.936 a mover and seconder? 01:57:22.960 --> 01:57:25.016 The whole one. I move and second for 01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:25.655 four. 01:57:25.679 --> 01:57:28.215 Yeah, that's what Oh, yeah. Councelor 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:31.239 McDonald. Councelor Wilson. 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.896 Oh, councelor Broad. Is that what we're 01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:35.655 doing? 01:57:35.679 --> 01:57:37.976 Sorry. was a procedural motion procedal. 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:39.575 Now you need one move and seconded for 01:57:39.599 --> 01:57:40.296 the whole. 01:57:40.320 --> 01:57:42.135 Okay. Sorry, apologies for that 01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:44.536 everyone. So, um, for all of those 01:57:44.560 --> 01:57:47.175 motions to be moved together, they were 01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:49.575 moved by councelor Wilson and seconded 01:57:49.599 --> 01:57:51.655 again by councelor Broadbent. 01:57:51.679 --> 01:57:54.679 All those 01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:58.456 Yeah. Speak to it. 01:57:58.480 --> 01:57:59.336 I moved. 01:57:59.360 --> 01:57:59.976 You did? 01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:00.536 Yeah, we did. 01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:02.615 Just moved. You've moved 11.1 and all 01:58:02.639 --> 01:58:04.056 the way through 11.5. 01:58:04.080 --> 01:58:06.536 Okay, there we go. and and and I and 01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:07.816 and then what I'll do first is um 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:09.175 councelor Wilson you didn't want to 01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:12.056 speak to now this now motion of speaking 01:58:12.080 --> 01:58:13.416 because it's broadband but we'll go to 01:58:13.440 --> 01:58:14.776 councelor McDonald 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:16.615 thank you chair sorry for the um 01:58:16.639 --> 01:58:19.639 confusion um and I happy to to speak 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:23.239 to um to this to these items as a 01:58:23.920 --> 01:58:26.920 package but no less important 01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:30.920 than each other um might I start with 01:58:32.080 --> 01:58:34.776 the access committee 01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:37.800 um and and and commend this report 01:58:38.400 --> 01:58:40.456 or this these minutes to to 01:58:40.480 --> 01:58:43.095 colleagues to see the work that our 01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:46.119 committee is doing. We've recently 01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:49.239 had briefings from a a um a consultant 01:58:50.480 --> 01:58:53.480 who as a wheelchair user and in 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:56.840 his profession um has done assessments 01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.880 of some of our facilities and and 01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:03.560 our localities and is providing input 01:59:04.480 --> 01:59:06.856 into staff which will assist in 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:09.880 the um compilation of the um of the 01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:13.175 next disability 01:59:13.199 --> 01:59:16.199 um inclusion action plan or the DAP. The 01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:19.960 next one is the is the showground 01:59:20.800 --> 01:59:23.736 committee and we are setting a 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:25.976 cracking pace and I think met again last 01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:28.776 night or or the night previous 01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:31.800 um and and there may be matters of 01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:35.960 interest to the um to others. Um the 01:59:38.639 --> 01:59:41.256 small business advisory committee is 01:59:41.280 --> 01:59:43.496 is I think where I really want to draw 01:59:43.520 --> 01:59:46.215 colleagues attention to that is um 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:49.239 that's got some fantastic um fantastic 01:59:49.280 --> 01:59:52.280 information in it. So we look at a 01:59:52.719 --> 01:59:55.719 conversation I had recently with the ANU 01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:58.856 and with the school of economics 01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:01.880 dean who is is now working with 02:00:02.719 --> 02:00:05.719 council staff to to consider an 02:00:05.760 --> 02:00:08.760 internship program. and obviously 02:00:09.199 --> 02:00:11.416 their their their undergrad and postgrad 02:00:11.440 --> 02:00:14.056 students can get some coursework and 02:00:14.080 --> 02:00:16.936 some unit credits by coursework by 02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:18.215 working with businesses and 02:00:18.239 --> 02:00:20.936 organizations such as this council to 02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:23.960 develop a um to develop um work 02:00:26.400 --> 02:00:28.695 within this organization which assists 02:00:28.719 --> 02:00:31.719 them in their in their learning. Um, and 02:00:32.159 --> 02:00:33.976 so I think that's a a fantastic 02:00:34.000 --> 02:00:36.376 opportunity and and and I appreciate 02:00:36.400 --> 02:00:39.400 the work of of of the secretary 02:00:39.440 --> 02:00:41.896 Maline Newton and and Ryan Debbank 02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:44.920 who are doing a great job and and are 02:00:45.599 --> 02:00:48.056 driving this committee really well. 02:00:48.080 --> 02:00:51.080 Um the next exciting piece is what 02:00:52.080 --> 02:00:55.080 have they buried it in under the the 02:00:55.520 --> 02:00:57.816 number three which is the QP business 02:00:57.840 --> 02:01:00.840 awards program. So we all know, 02:01:01.520 --> 02:01:04.520 love and and and recognize our our 02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:06.456 various awards that we give out 02:01:06.480 --> 02:01:08.536 during Australia Day. These are in 02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:10.695 addition they're not necessarily on 02:01:10.719 --> 02:01:13.719 Australia Day, but we think that our 02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:16.135 that our local businesses are are 02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:18.695 doing a remarkable job. and in line 02:01:18.719 --> 02:01:21.719 with many other councils, we think we 02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:24.695 ought to recognize them in the work that 02:01:24.719 --> 02:01:26.376 they do. 02:01:26.400 --> 02:01:29.400 Um I without setting my time I suspect 02:01:29.679 --> 02:01:32.679 it may may come to an end. Um I 02:01:33.440 --> 02:01:35.736 raised a matter earlier this evening 02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:38.760 in debate which was in direct um 02:01:40.639 --> 02:01:43.639 representation of small businesses. This 02:01:43.840 --> 02:01:46.840 council must pay more than lip service 02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:49.880 to um supporting small business. Um, I 02:01:50.800 --> 02:01:52.936 think it's something we all believe, but 02:01:52.960 --> 02:01:55.655 it's something we organizationally must 02:01:55.679 --> 02:01:58.679 do. Um, because fighting with one 02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:03.175 hand tied behind your back against 02:02:03.199 --> 02:02:06.199 layers of of local, state, and federal 02:02:06.639 --> 02:02:09.496 um bureaucracy is hard enough when you 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:11.736 are trying to run a small business. And 02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:13.976 these are the messages I'm hearing 02:02:14.000 --> 02:02:16.376 loud and clear every day from from 02:02:16.400 --> 02:02:18.135 small businesses, not only on this 02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:19.896 committee, but but that is certainly 02:02:19.920 --> 02:02:21.496 what this what this committee 02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:24.520 recognizes and and what I'm u pleased 02:02:24.800 --> 02:02:27.800 to produce to to council in this 02:02:29.280 --> 02:02:31.736 in this group of committee reports 02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:34.760 of which I have three and and I 02:02:34.960 --> 02:02:36.376 look forward to presenting the next 02:02:36.400 --> 02:02:39.400 three in with similar 02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:41.736 enthusiasm. 02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:43.256 Thank you, Council McDonald's. , 02:02:43.280 --> 02:02:44.856 councelor Willis. 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:47.880 , yes, thank you. Um, can I firstly 02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:50.456 can I just draw the minute takers 02:02:50.480 --> 02:02:53.480 attention to or notice to the motion 02:02:55.360 --> 02:02:58.135 and I I think it should say 11.1 to 02:02:58.159 --> 02:02:59.896 11.5. 02:02:59.920 --> 02:03:02.296 We're doing the five together. 02:03:02.320 --> 02:03:05.320 Um, secondly on 11.1 02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:08.695 um the disability access audit. That's 02:03:08.719 --> 02:03:11.719 great. Um but we have a have an ongoing 02:03:11.840 --> 02:03:13.896 problem which was drawn to my attention 02:03:13.920 --> 02:03:16.920 12 months ago and is unresolved about a 02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:20.119 safe access for people using a 02:03:20.159 --> 02:03:21.976 wheelchair 02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:23.736 um 02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:26.760 a pram for to carry children or on a 02:03:27.679 --> 02:03:29.736 mobility walker 02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:32.760 or any other form of mobility aid. 02:03:33.360 --> 02:03:36.360 and the and the company has been 02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:40.119 unexceptionally unhelpful. So I in 02:03:40.400 --> 02:03:42.776 trying to resolve it and I would like to 02:03:42.800 --> 02:03:45.655 know whether there is anything we can do 02:03:45.679 --> 02:03:48.679 about improving access to basic private 02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.960 locations such as a a major supermarket 02:03:52.400 --> 02:03:55.400 because up to this point no one seems to 02:03:55.520 --> 02:03:58.520 be able to actually require the company 02:03:59.440 --> 02:04:02.440 to ensure safe passage through the 02:04:02.560 --> 02:04:05.560 car park to the medical establishments 02:04:06.080 --> 02:04:08.456 on the other side of the road or even 02:04:08.480 --> 02:04:11.480 get across the driveway because of the 02:04:11.679 --> 02:04:13.575 um the volume of traffic that comes 02:04:13.599 --> 02:04:15.655 across it. 02:04:15.679 --> 02:04:17.655 So, it's a question to whichever member 02:04:17.679 --> 02:04:19.336 of staff and I know the general manager 02:04:19.360 --> 02:04:20.776 has been working on this and trying to 02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:21.976 resolve it, but we're not getting 02:04:22.000 --> 02:04:24.456 anywhere. So, can we do anything through 02:04:24.480 --> 02:04:27.416 the disability access audit or are we 02:04:27.440 --> 02:04:30.440 basically um at at the end of the 02:04:30.719 --> 02:04:32.695 process of trying to support our local 02:04:32.719 --> 02:04:34.215 residents? 02:04:34.239 --> 02:04:36.695 Miss Miller, 02:04:36.719 --> 02:04:39.175 thank you. through you. Um Madame Deputy 02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:42.199 Mayor, um in relation to um specific 02:04:43.679 --> 02:04:46.679 sites within our LGA, 02:04:46.719 --> 02:04:48.776 we don't have the ability to 02:04:48.800 --> 02:04:51.800 necessarily impose um on a development 02:04:52.400 --> 02:04:54.376 further conditions or something that was 02:04:54.400 --> 02:04:57.400 not part of their original proposal. Um, 02:04:57.440 --> 02:04:58.936 I'm always willing to support the 02:04:58.960 --> 02:05:00.615 general manager and her representations 02:05:00.639 --> 02:05:03.639 to businesses and their goodwill to 02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:05.816 recognize the fact that their sites 02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:07.416 would operate better were they to 02:05:07.440 --> 02:05:09.816 address certain matters. And that's what 02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:12.536 I can continue to do. However, our 02:05:12.560 --> 02:05:14.376 planning and enforcement powers don't 02:05:14.400 --> 02:05:17.400 enable me to require the provisions of 02:05:18.080 --> 02:05:21.080 matters which are um weren't part of the 02:05:21.760 --> 02:05:24.760 original um development consents. Um I 02:05:25.119 --> 02:05:28.119 recognize these issues. Um and I'm happy 02:05:28.320 --> 02:05:30.936 to um it's really an influence and 02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:33.256 persuasion role that the authority has 02:05:33.280 --> 02:05:35.655 in this situation. Less so um 02:05:35.679 --> 02:05:38.679 enforcement and like um less less so 02:05:39.599 --> 02:05:42.536 stick more so um bringing people with 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:44.456 us. 02:05:44.480 --> 02:05:47.480 thank you um through the deputy 02:05:48.639 --> 02:05:51.639 mayor. Well, I'd like to um ensure that 02:05:52.159 --> 02:05:55.159 the disability access audit addresses 02:05:55.599 --> 02:05:58.599 facilities like the supermarkets. 02:05:58.639 --> 02:06:01.639 Everyone needs to get to the shops. 02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:04.056 not everyone is doing online 02:06:04.080 --> 02:06:06.776 ordering. and this particular case 02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:09.736 because as I said it's 12 it's a bit 02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:11.896 over 12 months since a resident brought 02:06:11.920 --> 02:06:14.920 this to my attention and despite ex 02:06:16.639 --> 02:06:18.856 extensive efforts and an interest from 02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:21.575 the local state members office we 02:06:21.599 --> 02:06:24.599 have gotten nowhere. Thank you. 02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:26.296 Thank you councelor Wis councelor 02:06:26.320 --> 02:06:27.655 Broadbent. 02:06:27.679 --> 02:06:30.536 thank you. Um now for something 02:06:30.560 --> 02:06:32.936 completely different. Um I'm going to 02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:35.256 jump over to the youth advisory 02:06:35.280 --> 02:06:38.215 committee. Um so we we held the the 02:06:38.239 --> 02:06:41.239 first youth advisory on the 31st 02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:44.135 of July. it was very very well 02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:46.536 attended. I think we had I can't I 02:06:46.560 --> 02:06:47.816 wouldn't wouldn't hesitate to say a 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:50.840 number but it was nearly all um of the 02:06:51.520 --> 02:06:54.520 of the members um there. Um you will 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:57.800 note um for my fellow councilors that we 02:06:57.920 --> 02:07:00.135 unfortunately did mi miss one of the 02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:03.159 members um which is you know our mistake 02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:06.296 um but Lacy um it was a pleasure meeting 02:07:06.320 --> 02:07:09.320 her and she will absolutely no doubt 02:07:09.679 --> 02:07:12.679 provide valuable insight and input um to 02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:14.936 the youth advisory committee. So um 02:07:14.960 --> 02:07:17.960 welcome the youth advisory I think 02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:19.336 you know not a lot of business happened 02:07:19.360 --> 02:07:20.856 in that first meeting but we we are 02:07:20.880 --> 02:07:22.296 meeting regularly on a on a monthly 02:07:22.320 --> 02:07:25.320 basis um and in fact we're meeting again 02:07:25.920 --> 02:07:27.736 tomorrow um we've got a whole bunch of 02:07:27.760 --> 02:07:29.336 business to go I think there's a lot of 02:07:29.360 --> 02:07:32.135 work we can do as a council with youth 02:07:32.159 --> 02:07:34.376 um the office of youth from New South 02:07:34.400 --> 02:07:36.936 Wales is is coming tomorrow as well um 02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:38.376 and I guess it's a it's an interesting 02:07:38.400 --> 02:07:39.736 space where we have to have a lot of 02:07:39.760 --> 02:07:41.976 work to do to figure out what the role 02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:44.856 of council is um to assist youth and 02:07:44.880 --> 02:07:47.256 also how do we give a voice to youth and 02:07:47.280 --> 02:07:49.496 what is their role in forming us in 02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:52.296 making decisions um and I think as my as 02:07:52.320 --> 02:07:55.320 my dad um has a bit of a tendency to say 02:07:56.079 --> 02:07:57.976 um it's everything we do it's for the 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:00.695 children um which I think yeah that's 02:08:00.719 --> 02:08:03.336 usually after a couple of beers um but 02:08:03.360 --> 02:08:05.896 yeah I don't think he's wrong so 02:08:05.920 --> 02:08:07.256 it's just about thinking about how that 02:08:07.280 --> 02:08:08.695 works and hopefully this advisory 02:08:08.719 --> 02:08:09.736 committee will play a very strong role 02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:11.416 in that and it looks like they will 02:08:11.440 --> 02:08:13.175 they're very keen so looking forward to 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:13.575 Cheers. 02:08:13.599 --> 02:08:15.095 Thank you, Councelor Broadbent. Is there 02:08:15.119 --> 02:08:17.256 any further discussion? Councelor 02:08:17.280 --> 02:08:18.615 Grundy. 02:08:18.639 --> 02:08:21.639 , thank you, Deputy Mayor. , yes. 02:08:21.679 --> 02:08:24.679 Look, I'm going to speak about the um 02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:27.095 small business advisory committee, and 02:08:27.119 --> 02:08:29.736 I'm pleased that we now have one. Um, 02:08:29.760 --> 02:08:32.760 but I fear that we have some way to go 02:08:32.800 --> 02:08:35.800 um with improving our engagement 02:08:37.199 --> 02:08:39.175 of small business and our support for 02:08:39.199 --> 02:08:42.199 small business. um spo small business 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:46.840 operators that I speak to are frustrated 02:08:48.400 --> 02:08:51.400 um particularly about consultation 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:55.880 and I'll give an example of that. the 02:08:56.639 --> 02:08:59.639 Crawford Street DA 2022 02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:01.816 um 02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:03.736 1022 02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:06.760 was on public exhibition for 14 days 02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:10.520 and that was in January in 2023 02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:13.496 um which we all know as being a holiday 02:09:13.520 --> 02:09:15.416 period. 02:09:15.440 --> 02:09:18.440 businesses in the vicinity of this 02:09:18.480 --> 02:09:20.776 development site tell me that they were 02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:22.856 not door knocked. they did not receive 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:24.936 any postal material about the proposed 02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:27.960 DA. and as a result, they feel 02:09:28.400 --> 02:09:29.976 blindsided 02:09:30.000 --> 02:09:33.000 by the changes that um they're now 02:09:33.360 --> 02:09:36.360 experiencing where the pedestrian access 02:09:36.400 --> 02:09:38.536 has been completely cut off on the north 02:09:38.560 --> 02:09:41.560 side of Crawford Street and one lane 02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:45.736 of vehicle access also will be 02:09:45.760 --> 02:09:48.760 interrupted. Um and it's uncertain as to 02:09:49.520 --> 02:09:52.296 how long that will be for. there was 02:09:52.320 --> 02:09:54.376 some communication it could be as long 02:09:54.400 --> 02:09:57.400 as 19 months. Um but but the point I 02:09:59.040 --> 02:10:02.040 make is um we need to do better in this 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:05.239 space. That is an illustration of um 02:10:06.800 --> 02:10:08.695 consultation that has gone terribly 02:10:08.719 --> 02:10:11.719 wrong. Many of our businesses are really 02:10:12.880 --> 02:10:15.880 really doing it tough and to suddenly 02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:19.239 have voiced on them um an impediment to 02:10:20.159 --> 02:10:23.159 foot traffic to um customer access. 02:10:23.440 --> 02:10:25.016 Councelor Grande, I just asked you to 02:10:25.040 --> 02:10:27.575 speak to the to the item. Um you're just 02:10:27.599 --> 02:10:29.655 going off a bit bit of the the track. So 02:10:29.679 --> 02:10:31.496 if you can just keep the debate to what 02:10:31.520 --> 02:10:33.256 the item is, that would be great. 02:10:33.280 --> 02:10:36.135 Okay. I I felt I was giving my 02:10:36.159 --> 02:10:39.159 colleagues an insight into the 02:10:39.760 --> 02:10:42.376 frustrations of business operators whom 02:10:42.400 --> 02:10:45.016 I have spoken to directly and who have 02:10:45.040 --> 02:10:47.816 come to me with their frustrations. I 02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:50.135 would have thought the item small 02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:52.376 business advisory committee is quite 02:10:52.400 --> 02:10:55.400 relevant to that and to hear insights 02:10:56.079 --> 02:10:59.079 into small business frustrations would 02:10:59.119 --> 02:11:02.119 be um important to council. 02:11:04.400 --> 02:11:07.400 I would like to in that context um 02:11:08.639 --> 02:11:11.639 ask for someone to explain to me how we 02:11:12.880 --> 02:11:15.575 have got ourselves in this position with 02:11:15.599 --> 02:11:18.599 this particular um 02:11:18.880 --> 02:11:21.575 DA along Crawford Street which is 02:11:21.599 --> 02:11:23.655 causing a lot of frustration for our 02:11:23.679 --> 02:11:25.896 small businesses. Um, can someone 02:11:25.920 --> 02:11:28.215 explain to me how the decision was made 02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:31.239 to actually cut off foot traffic and 02:11:31.520 --> 02:11:34.296 Crawford Street? And um, that is my 02:11:34.320 --> 02:11:35.496 question. 02:11:35.520 --> 02:11:37.655 Um, before we go there, I'd like to just 02:11:37.679 --> 02:11:40.135 ask, was these in the minutes? And 02:11:40.159 --> 02:11:41.896 should we be discussing them? And we've 02:11:41.920 --> 02:11:43.575 already talked about this previously and 02:11:43.599 --> 02:11:44.695 we're going to be going to a workshop, 02:11:44.719 --> 02:11:47.336 but Miss Ryan, 02:11:47.360 --> 02:11:49.256 , through deputy mayor, we're 02:11:49.280 --> 02:11:50.936 discussing the small business advisory 02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:53.575 committee meeting minutes. Um, council 02:11:53.599 --> 02:11:55.416 has asked to note those minutes. There's 02:11:55.440 --> 02:11:57.575 no recommendation from those minutes and 02:11:57.599 --> 02:12:00.296 that particular item is not listed on 02:12:00.320 --> 02:12:03.320 those minutes. 02:12:04.719 --> 02:12:05.816 Councelor Grundy. 02:12:05.840 --> 02:12:08.615 , thank you. Um I think it's a fair 02:12:08.639 --> 02:12:11.639 question and to just um I guess 02:12:12.639 --> 02:12:15.639 further my question. I don't believe 02:12:15.840 --> 02:12:18.776 that that question has been asked and 02:12:18.800 --> 02:12:21.800 addressed previously and I think it goes 02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:25.000 to the heart of um a lot of the problems 02:12:27.199 --> 02:12:29.655 we're dealing with with this segment in 02:12:29.679 --> 02:12:31.336 our community. And if it can be simply 02:12:31.360 --> 02:12:34.360 answered then um we'll be a lot further 02:12:34.480 --> 02:12:37.480 ahead. 02:12:38.320 --> 02:12:40.376 Sorry, Miss Ryan. 02:12:40.400 --> 02:12:43.336 through Deputy Mayor, we have been 02:12:43.360 --> 02:12:45.256 working with the businesses. I can ask 02:12:45.280 --> 02:12:47.575 Miss Miller if she can take a question 02:12:47.599 --> 02:12:49.016 without notice. 02:12:49.040 --> 02:12:50.936 Yeah, 02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:52.776 thank you. Through you, um Madame Deputy 02:12:52.800 --> 02:12:55.336 mayor, um when the council determined 02:12:55.360 --> 02:12:56.856 the development application for 02:12:56.880 --> 02:12:59.575 apartments at 202 Crawford Street, it 02:12:59.599 --> 02:13:02.055 included a number of conditions. One of 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:03.896 them is the requirement for a section 02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:06.135 138 application. 02:13:06.159 --> 02:13:08.615 The nature of that application um you 02:13:08.639 --> 02:13:11.256 know that was received, it was assessed 02:13:11.280 --> 02:13:13.976 and a lot of work was done to ensure 02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:17.000 that the um proposal in terms of access 02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:21.159 and construction with the least impact 02:13:21.599 --> 02:13:24.599 to the area could be secured. That is 02:13:24.800 --> 02:13:27.800 not to say that the local businesses 02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:31.560 um are not um concerned and affected and 02:13:31.679 --> 02:13:34.215 we are aware of that and as such 02:13:34.239 --> 02:13:36.856 officers called a meeting with all of 02:13:36.880 --> 02:13:39.880 the businesses in Crawford Street a 02:13:40.239 --> 02:13:42.776 number of weeks ago to brief them on the 02:13:42.800 --> 02:13:45.800 matter with the developer. I'm happy to 02:13:45.920 --> 02:13:47.976 go into lots of detail as part of a 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:50.135 workshop in the future with the 02:13:50.159 --> 02:13:52.695 counselors to explain better the 02:13:52.719 --> 02:13:55.016 development process and what is 02:13:55.040 --> 02:13:57.095 available to you and not available to 02:13:57.119 --> 02:14:00.119 you um in this matter. 02:14:00.880 --> 02:14:02.936 Councelor Grundy, 02:14:02.960 --> 02:14:05.575 thank you deputy mayor. Um I would 02:14:05.599 --> 02:14:08.055 welcome such a workshop so that these 02:14:08.079 --> 02:14:11.016 matters can be clarified and also for 02:14:11.040 --> 02:14:12.936 council to have an opportunity to do 02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:15.336 better in this space of consultation. 02:14:15.360 --> 02:14:16.055 Thank you. 02:14:16.079 --> 02:14:18.296 Thank you councelor Grundy. is there 02:14:18.320 --> 02:14:20.936 any further discussion? councelor 02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:22.296 Wilson. 02:14:22.320 --> 02:14:24.215 thank you. Nothing like the drilling 02:14:24.239 --> 02:14:25.655 to keep everyone moving forward but just 02:14:25.679 --> 02:14:28.679 on indulgence very brief one to 9 11 02:14:29.360 --> 02:14:32.055 5. I just wanted to give a shout out and 02:14:32.079 --> 02:14:34.856 maybe we could ask the Bangor 02:14:34.880 --> 02:14:37.175 community chamber to come along 02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:39.496 because it relates to small business. 02:14:39.520 --> 02:14:41.575 Just a massive congratulations to the 02:14:41.599 --> 02:14:44.376 Bangor business community. They won 02:14:44.400 --> 02:14:46.695 the top tourism town award for the whole 02:14:46.719 --> 02:14:49.719 of Australia. well, yes, that's true. 02:14:50.320 --> 02:14:52.135 Small town, but I'm just going with it. 02:14:52.159 --> 02:14:54.215 But yes. Yep. Top. And just to give a 02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:57.239 sense they beat towns in u Tasmania, 02:14:57.840 --> 02:14:59.336 Ellie Beach, across the whole of the 02:14:59.360 --> 02:15:00.135 whole whole of the country. So it's 02:15:00.159 --> 02:15:01.256 quite an extraordinary achievement. So 02:15:01.280 --> 02:15:02.695 maybe we could do a presentation next 02:15:02.719 --> 02:15:04.135 meeting when the mayor's in the chair. 02:15:04.159 --> 02:15:05.896 Thank you. 02:15:05.920 --> 02:15:07.575 Thank you. And yeah, just a big thank 02:15:07.599 --> 02:15:09.095 you and acknowledgement to all staff for 02:15:09.119 --> 02:15:11.416 that award, too. We're just there. But 02:15:11.440 --> 02:15:13.256 um all right. Well, councelor McDonald, 02:15:13.280 --> 02:15:15.256 did you want to sum up the debate? If 02:15:15.280 --> 02:15:17.095 not, so I'm going to put the motion of 02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:19.736 all those in favor. That is unanimous 02:15:19.760 --> 02:15:22.456 and that is carried. Moving on to notice 02:15:22.480 --> 02:15:25.480 of motions. 12.1 notice of motion. Um 02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:28.376 councelor Waterhouse, are you moving as 02:15:28.400 --> 02:15:29.736 per the business paper? 02:15:29.760 --> 02:15:30.695 Yes, thank you. 02:15:30.719 --> 02:15:33.095 Um can I get a sec seconded by councelor 02:15:33.119 --> 02:15:35.496 Broadbent? Councelor Waterhouse. 02:15:35.520 --> 02:15:38.520 Yes, thanks Madam Chair. Um I think this 02:15:39.360 --> 02:15:42.360 is a fairly obvious um gap in our 02:15:42.400 --> 02:15:45.400 policy um portfolio. Um, last Thursday 02:15:47.280 --> 02:15:49.575 afternoon was the first time although 02:15:49.599 --> 02:15:51.896 we had named numerous things in the last 02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:54.856 12 months. , last Thursday afternoon 02:15:54.880 --> 02:15:57.336 was the first time I saw the 02:15:57.360 --> 02:15:59.736 documents the geographical names 02:15:59.760 --> 02:16:01.976 board of New South Wales policy for 02:16:02.000 --> 02:16:05.000 place naming dated July 2019. I just 02:16:05.040 --> 02:16:06.776 sort of found it interesting that we'd 02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:09.336 named several other things over this 02:16:09.360 --> 02:16:11.416 last 12-month period and I'd not seen 02:16:11.440 --> 02:16:13.175 that document, not heard it referred to 02:16:13.199 --> 02:16:16.199 at all. Um, and I even quote three of 02:16:17.280 --> 02:16:19.976 those decisions in my notes that I added 02:16:20.000 --> 02:16:23.000 to the the the comments for the 02:16:23.840 --> 02:16:26.055 notice of motion that we have referred 02:16:26.079 --> 02:16:29.079 to these um and from we from a name a 02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:34.535 building name here the quote was as 02:16:34.559 --> 02:16:36.136 part of the process we agreed to some 02:16:36.160 --> 02:16:38.535 principles to guide the naming of spaces 02:16:38.559 --> 02:16:40.216 and then from the naming of parks which 02:16:40.240 --> 02:16:42.856 was only in August 2013 the name 02:16:42.880 --> 02:16:44.455 suggested been developed in line with 02:16:44.479 --> 02:16:47.016 council's naming protocols and cultural 02:16:47.040 --> 02:16:49.176 heritage considerations. And then from 02:16:49.200 --> 02:16:51.575 9.1 on August the 13th, the naming of 02:16:51.599 --> 02:16:53.096 the Bangador community center after 02:16:53.120 --> 02:16:56.120 Norah stars naming of facilities is an 02:16:56.240 --> 02:16:57.736 important part of creating a sense of 02:16:57.760 --> 02:17:00.535 place and history. It also provide 02:17:00.559 --> 02:17:01.816 recognition for those members of the 02:17:01.840 --> 02:17:03.016 community who have made a substantial 02:17:03.040 --> 02:17:04.776 contribution. In other words, we've 02:17:04.800 --> 02:17:06.776 already got a framework of thinking. 02:17:06.800 --> 02:17:08.375 We're thinking along these sorts of 02:17:08.399 --> 02:17:11.335 lines, but there's no actual policy. we 02:17:11.359 --> 02:17:12.776 don't even have a policy to say that 02:17:12.800 --> 02:17:15.800 we're going to use the state policy. 02:17:15.840 --> 02:17:18.136 So, , we were naming those in a bit of 02:17:18.160 --> 02:17:20.615 a vacuum. And then on Thursday, for the 02:17:20.639 --> 02:17:22.216 first time, we were given the 02:17:22.240 --> 02:17:23.976 geographical names board of New South 02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:26.216 Wales policy, place naming, and then a 02:17:26.240 --> 02:17:28.216 further document that follows it, which 02:17:28.240 --> 02:17:30.695 was um, I can't think of the name of it 02:17:30.719 --> 02:17:33.719 now cuz I can never scroll this device 02:17:33.920 --> 02:17:36.920 fast enough. um which is also sort of a 02:17:37.760 --> 02:17:40.295 a policy framework of of thinking but we 02:17:40.319 --> 02:17:42.455 don't actually have a QPRC one. I think 02:17:42.479 --> 02:17:44.695 there's just a bit of a gap and we 02:17:44.719 --> 02:17:46.615 probably should have and obviously it 02:17:46.639 --> 02:17:49.096 will be based um very very soundly in 02:17:49.120 --> 02:17:52.120 these existing state documents 02:17:52.240 --> 02:17:55.240 um and it's um it's a naming a place a 02:17:57.280 --> 02:17:59.655 guide for government and it's the 02:17:59.679 --> 02:18:02.455 geographical names board. So those two 02:18:02.479 --> 02:18:04.216 documents already exist and I think we 02:18:04.240 --> 02:18:06.936 need a policy that sits within that for 02:18:06.960 --> 02:18:09.335 us to follow. 02:18:09.359 --> 02:18:10.856 Thank you. Councelor Waterhouse, 02:18:10.880 --> 02:18:12.216 Councelor Broadband, would you like to 02:18:12.240 --> 02:18:12.776 speak to it? 02:18:12.800 --> 02:18:15.096 Yeah, I would. Um, thanks Councelor 02:18:15.120 --> 02:18:16.695 Waterhouse for bringing this along. I 02:18:16.719 --> 02:18:19.719 think um as a new counselor and I guess 02:18:20.800 --> 02:18:22.535 someone that's been around, you know, 02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:24.695 hasn't been around this kind of world 02:18:24.719 --> 02:18:27.575 before. Um, you know, yes, I guess it's 02:18:27.599 --> 02:18:29.415 almost a movie trope in in a way of the 02:18:29.439 --> 02:18:31.495 the amount of stuff that we name. I kind 02:18:31.519 --> 02:18:33.176 of didn't realize that we would nearly 02:18:33.200 --> 02:18:35.256 be naming something every every single 02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:38.280 meeting. and I guess and there there 02:18:38.319 --> 02:18:39.575 are moments where it's like, you know, 02:18:39.599 --> 02:18:42.455 this this is kind of ridiculous. Um 02:18:42.479 --> 02:18:44.455 don't get me wrong, naming stuff is a 02:18:44.479 --> 02:18:46.455 really really really important um aspect 02:18:46.479 --> 02:18:48.295 of of what we do. And it's a really 02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:50.615 great way to recognize and and pay 02:18:50.639 --> 02:18:52.936 respect to our communities community 02:18:52.960 --> 02:18:55.655 members um and community, you know, just 02:18:55.679 --> 02:18:57.335 in general, whether it's a member or a 02:18:57.359 --> 02:19:00.359 horse. Um the the the real I think the 02:19:02.880 --> 02:19:04.695 throughout this throughout this kind of 02:19:04.719 --> 02:19:06.216 the start of this term there's been a 02:19:06.240 --> 02:19:08.535 couple of situations where I think we've 02:19:08.559 --> 02:19:11.559 gone against the grain um not 02:19:11.599 --> 02:19:12.615 necessarily for the worst and I think 02:19:12.639 --> 02:19:14.615 you'll find I've voted for some of the 02:19:14.639 --> 02:19:16.216 things that I'm probably referring to 02:19:16.240 --> 02:19:17.575 and some of those things are you know 02:19:17.599 --> 02:19:20.136 naming things after people the living um 02:19:20.160 --> 02:19:22.295 the the kind of the ratio which is a 02:19:22.319 --> 02:19:23.736 thing that gets debated about you know 02:19:23.760 --> 02:19:26.455 how much is first nations how much is um 02:19:26.479 --> 02:19:28.615 female how much is you 02:19:28.639 --> 02:19:30.136 animal, how much is, you know, whatever 02:19:30.160 --> 02:19:31.896 it is. Those kind of basic philosophies, 02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:33.335 I think, are really important for us to 02:19:33.359 --> 02:19:36.359 have a conversation about um those 02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:39.016 aspects and what what are the things we 02:19:39.040 --> 02:19:40.695 agree on. It's okay if we if we all 02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:41.976 agree and say, "Look, we're going to 02:19:42.000 --> 02:19:43.816 name it's okay to name after people 02:19:43.840 --> 02:19:46.295 living." That's a great thing. Um and I 02:19:46.319 --> 02:19:48.856 think having a policy that allow a place 02:19:48.880 --> 02:19:51.415 that we can dump that kind of core 02:19:51.439 --> 02:19:53.576 agreement into in in forms of a policy, 02:19:53.600 --> 02:19:56.600 I think, is is a good idea. , and I'm 02:19:56.880 --> 02:19:58.856 like, , council waterhouse, I'm 02:19:58.880 --> 02:20:00.696 shocked that it wasn't here already to 02:20:00.720 --> 02:20:02.856 be honest. So, yeah. 02:20:02.880 --> 02:20:04.455 Thank you. Council Broadbent, is there 02:20:04.479 --> 02:20:07.335 any further discussion? 02:20:07.359 --> 02:20:09.656 Um, council waterhouse, did you want to 02:20:09.680 --> 02:20:10.776 chance to sum it up? 02:20:10.800 --> 02:20:12.776 Oh, just very quickly that we do we do 02:20:12.800 --> 02:20:14.936 have a policy for the naming of roads, 02:20:14.960 --> 02:20:16.455 , which which is which is, , 02:20:16.479 --> 02:20:18.776 informed by the state rules. It's just 02:20:18.800 --> 02:20:20.536 makes makes sense and there's a broad 02:20:20.560 --> 02:20:22.616 range of things that we can consider. I' 02:20:22.640 --> 02:20:24.776 I'd like to see it um maybe offered as a 02:20:24.800 --> 02:20:27.496 workshop to start pick out our our ideas 02:20:27.520 --> 02:20:30.136 that we've picked up from the community 02:20:30.160 --> 02:20:32.136 um and you do get a good sense of what 02:20:32.160 --> 02:20:34.295 the community wants if you put things 02:20:34.319 --> 02:20:36.776 out there um and then maybe come up with 02:20:36.800 --> 02:20:39.800 that policy based on that. 02:20:40.319 --> 02:20:41.816 Thank you council waterhouse. I will now 02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:44.696 put the motion all those four that is 02:20:44.720 --> 02:20:46.696 unanimous and that is carried. Moving on 02:20:46.720 --> 02:20:48.375 to 02:20:48.399 --> 02:20:51.335 12.4 to four. Councelor Grundy moving as 02:20:51.359 --> 02:20:53.256 per B the business paper. Can I get a 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:55.016 seconded by councelor McDonald's? 02:20:55.040 --> 02:20:56.536 Councelor Grundy, would you like to 02:20:56.560 --> 02:20:57.496 speak to it? 02:20:57.520 --> 02:20:59.816 Thank you, Deputy Mayor. council 02:20:59.840 --> 02:21:02.295 would be aware that um it is on the 02:21:02.319 --> 02:21:05.319 record um as standing up for 02:21:06.080 --> 02:21:08.936 residents of Bangor, Bwong 02:21:08.960 --> 02:21:11.960 parts of Sutton, Mount Ferry, Wombine 02:21:12.080 --> 02:21:13.736 on the proposed energy from waste 02:21:13.760 --> 02:21:15.896 facility at Terrago. 02:21:15.920 --> 02:21:18.536 having resolved unanimously in 22 to 02:21:18.560 --> 02:21:21.256 oppose the proposal. The proposed 02:21:21.280 --> 02:21:24.216 facility was previously rejected when 02:21:24.240 --> 02:21:26.856 proposed for Greater Sydney based on um 02:21:26.880 --> 02:21:29.880 a risk to human health. And yet here it 02:21:30.800 --> 02:21:32.936 is. It's popped up at Targo suggesting 02:21:32.960 --> 02:21:35.656 that regional people's health is somehow 02:21:35.680 --> 02:21:38.136 less significant, less important. Some 02:21:38.160 --> 02:21:41.160 of the emissions from the waste from 02:21:41.439 --> 02:21:44.295 energy plants include nitrogen oxide, 02:21:44.319 --> 02:21:46.216 sulfur dioxide, heavy metals like 02:21:46.240 --> 02:21:48.936 arsenic, lead, mercury, persistent 02:21:48.960 --> 02:21:51.816 organic pollutants, pops as they're 02:21:51.840 --> 02:21:54.840 known, like um dioxins and furons, 02:21:56.160 --> 02:21:58.856 particulate matter, and other toxic 02:21:58.880 --> 02:22:01.496 compounds like polycyclic aromatic 02:22:01.520 --> 02:22:04.520 hydrocarbons. 02:22:06.160 --> 02:22:09.160 protracted exposure to these pollutants 02:22:09.840 --> 02:22:12.216 has been linked to increased cancer 02:22:12.240 --> 02:22:14.295 risk, respiratory dis disease, 02:22:14.319 --> 02:22:15.896 reproductive, developmental and 02:22:15.920 --> 02:22:18.295 neurological disorders. 02:22:18.319 --> 02:22:20.295 The Australian Public Health Association 02:22:20.319 --> 02:22:22.856 has in fact identified significant risks 02:22:22.880 --> 02:22:25.880 from these incinerators. 02:22:25.920 --> 02:22:28.920 The select committee on proposed energy 02:22:29.120 --> 02:22:31.096 from waste facilities are seeking 02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:32.696 submissions from both the public and 02:22:32.720 --> 02:22:34.216 organizations 02:22:34.240 --> 02:22:37.240 on such things as environmental impacts, 02:22:37.359 --> 02:22:39.656 public health risks, community impacts, 02:22:39.680 --> 02:22:42.680 and regional equity. 02:22:42.960 --> 02:22:45.415 This submission from Queenbian Paling 02:22:45.439 --> 02:22:47.576 Regional Council will serve to inform 02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:49.816 the select committee on the very real 02:22:49.840 --> 02:22:52.840 concerns residents have about the safety 02:22:53.280 --> 02:22:56.280 of their rainwater, for example, 02:22:56.319 --> 02:22:58.616 homegrown fresh produce, including eggs, 02:22:58.640 --> 02:23:01.496 veggies, and fruit, and the organic 02:23:01.520 --> 02:23:04.520 status of some local businesses. 02:23:04.800 --> 02:23:07.256 It is for these reasons that I have put 02:23:07.280 --> 02:23:09.335 this notice of motion, and I ask that 02:23:09.359 --> 02:23:12.359 you support it. Thank you. 02:23:12.880 --> 02:23:14.696 Thank you, 02:23:14.720 --> 02:23:17.016 councelor Vdant. 02:23:17.040 --> 02:23:19.736 Well, thanks council thank you 02:23:19.760 --> 02:23:22.375 chair first and through you councelor 02:23:22.399 --> 02:23:24.136 Grundy for bringing this forward. It is 02:23:24.160 --> 02:23:27.160 a longunning saga which this council has 02:23:28.399 --> 02:23:31.399 has taken a view on a view which I 02:23:31.680 --> 02:23:34.680 wholeheartedly support. and it is not 02:23:35.040 --> 02:23:38.040 a view singularly in this chamber. 02:23:38.479 --> 02:23:40.375 It's of course in in other 02:23:40.399 --> 02:23:43.399 jurisdictions um where this proposed 02:23:43.600 --> 02:23:46.600 incinerator is um in um gold mry 02:23:49.600 --> 02:23:52.600 and and many local community groups u 02:23:53.200 --> 02:23:56.200 made up of residents and primary 02:23:56.960 --> 02:23:58.455 producers. 02:23:58.479 --> 02:24:01.415 Um it's been said before this is not a a 02:24:01.439 --> 02:24:04.439 a question of dealing with our own 02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:08.600 waste which we generate. Indeed um 02:24:09.040 --> 02:24:12.040 probably right now the the 02:24:12.960 --> 02:24:15.576 discussions around waste management the 02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:17.176 future of waste management in our 02:24:17.200 --> 02:24:19.576 jurisdiction are concluding in Fernley 02:24:19.600 --> 02:24:22.600 Park and they and we've been doing 02:24:24.160 --> 02:24:26.216 that because it's our waste and it's our 02:24:26.240 --> 02:24:29.240 problem. However, Sydney's waste, well, 02:24:30.000 --> 02:24:32.136 make it someone else's problem. Send it 02:24:32.160 --> 02:24:34.936 down south and burn it where 02:24:34.960 --> 02:24:37.415 particulates sort of remain in this sort 02:24:37.439 --> 02:24:40.439 of solidified state and don't affect the 02:24:40.800 --> 02:24:42.295 environment at all. Of course that's 02:24:42.319 --> 02:24:45.319 nonsense that because they do and you 02:24:46.640 --> 02:24:49.496 can have as many internal reports and 02:24:49.520 --> 02:24:52.520 AIS's and and and supportive 02:24:52.880 --> 02:24:54.536 statements coming forward saying the 02:24:54.560 --> 02:24:57.560 impact is going to be minimal. Um if it 02:24:57.680 --> 02:25:00.616 is so minimal again take it back to 02:25:00.640 --> 02:25:02.375 Sydney where the waste came from to 02:25:02.399 --> 02:25:04.616 begin with and burn it there because we 02:25:04.640 --> 02:25:05.896 don't want it. This is an opportunity 02:25:05.920 --> 02:25:08.920 for our council to affirm the our our 02:25:10.000 --> 02:25:12.936 long-held and strongly held position 02:25:12.960 --> 02:25:15.335 against this incinerator to our to our 02:25:15.359 --> 02:25:18.216 north. and I thank councelor 02:25:18.240 --> 02:25:20.455 Grundy for bringing the matter forward 02:25:20.479 --> 02:25:23.479 and and commend um my 02:25:24.880 --> 02:25:27.880 assistance and um and I expect any any 02:25:28.720 --> 02:25:30.936 other councilors who who is so 02:25:30.960 --> 02:25:33.816 supportive to staff in in developing 02:25:33.840 --> 02:25:36.295 this submission to the to the select 02:25:36.319 --> 02:25:39.176 inquiry in the New South Wales upper 02:25:39.200 --> 02:25:42.200 house. thank you um chair. 02:25:43.040 --> 02:25:45.576 Thank you council McDonald council. 02:25:45.600 --> 02:25:46.696 and then I'll come to you, councelor 02:25:46.720 --> 02:25:47.335 Preston. 02:25:47.359 --> 02:25:49.976 I did want to ask a couple of 02:25:50.000 --> 02:25:51.976 questions about our submission. I just 02:25:52.000 --> 02:25:54.136 wanted to confirm that the submission 02:25:54.160 --> 02:25:55.816 will come to council before it's 02:25:55.840 --> 02:25:58.840 submitted. 02:25:59.120 --> 02:26:00.455 Yes. Right. 02:26:00.479 --> 02:26:01.896 When's it? 02:26:01.920 --> 02:26:04.776 31st of October 02:26:04.800 --> 02:26:07.335 through deputy mayor. 02:26:07.359 --> 02:26:10.359 It's online. Um the the content thereof 02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:13.256 I can share with councils. If you want 02:26:13.280 --> 02:26:16.280 it presented to council beforehand I can 02:26:17.439 --> 02:26:19.496 well I I've taken an interest in this 02:26:19.520 --> 02:26:22.520 since I started council in 2022 02:26:24.080 --> 02:26:25.976 and I I would like to see it 02:26:26.000 --> 02:26:27.736 alternative. Well no I would like to see 02:26:27.760 --> 02:26:29.656 it actually. It doesn't necessarily need 02:26:29.680 --> 02:26:31.496 to come to a council meeting, but I 02:26:31.520 --> 02:26:33.816 think council law should be given an 02:26:33.840 --> 02:26:35.816 opportunity to review it and make sure 02:26:35.840 --> 02:26:37.656 there's everything that they would 02:26:37.680 --> 02:26:40.536 like to see in it is in there. Um can I 02:26:40.560 --> 02:26:43.560 please suggest that we attach um just 02:26:43.600 --> 02:26:45.656 with links? well, will there be 02:26:45.680 --> 02:26:48.136 links? Um if our submission to the 02:26:48.160 --> 02:26:50.696 wood wood lawn incinerator project is 02:26:50.720 --> 02:26:53.496 online, we could just include the link. 02:26:53.520 --> 02:26:56.520 Um I'm wanting to um include the 02:26:59.600 --> 02:27:02.600 the different examples of where 02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:05.096 we've raised this. Um there've been a 02:27:05.120 --> 02:27:08.120 number of motions on this topic. Um in 02:27:08.399 --> 02:27:10.536 addition to the wood lawn incinerator 02:27:10.560 --> 02:27:12.136 submission which councelor Preston 02:27:12.160 --> 02:27:14.216 worked quite closely with me and the 02:27:14.240 --> 02:27:17.240 staff to prepare. Um no one should be 02:27:18.720 --> 02:27:20.536 having a waste incinerator um whether 02:27:20.560 --> 02:27:22.776 it's Sydney or anywhere else. and and 02:27:22.800 --> 02:27:25.016 that's actually important in noting 02:27:25.040 --> 02:27:27.736 the terms of reference because 02:27:27.760 --> 02:27:30.455 Green's MLC Amanda Con who's deputy 02:27:30.479 --> 02:27:33.479 chair um made sure that there were 02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:36.216 included terms of reference to look 02:27:36.240 --> 02:27:38.856 at alternatives and to that extent I 02:27:38.880 --> 02:27:40.856 would like our submission to note and I 02:27:40.880 --> 02:27:42.536 I can send this information to the 02:27:42.560 --> 02:27:45.016 general manager note that Eurabadala 02:27:45.040 --> 02:27:47.656 Council is triing soft plastic recycling 02:27:47.680 --> 02:27:49.576 which has actually been available in the 02:27:49.600 --> 02:27:52.600 Dandongs in Victoria since 2019. it's 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:57.000 turned into oil from whence it came. Um 02:27:58.560 --> 02:28:01.560 and the importance of repairing 02:28:02.800 --> 02:28:04.375 because a lot of what ends up in 02:28:04.399 --> 02:28:06.375 landfill are things that haven't been 02:28:06.399 --> 02:28:09.016 repaired but could be repaired. There is 02:28:09.040 --> 02:28:11.016 a movement called the right to repair 02:28:11.040 --> 02:28:13.816 movement. in Europe they have managed 02:28:13.840 --> 02:28:16.840 to um persuade governments to issue a 02:28:17.920 --> 02:28:20.455 directive. I have that reference to make 02:28:20.479 --> 02:28:23.479 available for the European Union 02:28:23.520 --> 02:28:26.520 members about the right to repair and 02:28:26.560 --> 02:28:29.176 this is to do with producers making 02:28:29.200 --> 02:28:31.415 available information which currently is 02:28:31.439 --> 02:28:33.176 not made available. So people can't 02:28:33.200 --> 02:28:35.256 repair make their own repairs. There's 02:28:35.280 --> 02:28:37.976 only one such piece of legislation 02:28:38.000 --> 02:28:40.295 I'm aware of in Australia and it relates 02:28:40.319 --> 02:28:43.319 to um motorized vehicle repair. We 02:28:45.359 --> 02:28:47.816 also need to be advocating for improved 02:28:47.840 --> 02:28:50.696 packaging laws because we can ask people 02:28:50.720 --> 02:28:52.616 to do the right thing as long as we 02:28:52.640 --> 02:28:55.335 want. But if they the goods that they 02:28:55.359 --> 02:28:58.295 receive are not packaged in 02:28:58.319 --> 02:29:00.295 materials that can be recycled and 02:29:00.319 --> 02:29:03.176 packaging is minimized then what hope 02:29:03.200 --> 02:29:05.335 have they got that they are in those 02:29:05.359 --> 02:29:07.335 circumstances it is the producers who 02:29:07.359 --> 02:29:08.536 need to work harder and it is 02:29:08.560 --> 02:29:10.375 governments who have to direct them to 02:29:10.399 --> 02:29:12.696 do so. So hopefully councelor Grundy's 02:29:12.720 --> 02:29:15.496 happy with all of this but it as with 02:29:15.520 --> 02:29:17.096 the Senate once she puts this forward 02:29:17.120 --> 02:29:18.776 and it's adopted it becomes the 02:29:18.800 --> 02:29:21.096 council's not only hers but nothing I 02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:23.415 have suggested here is runs counter to 02:29:23.439 --> 02:29:25.816 what I see as her intent which is to 02:29:25.840 --> 02:29:28.536 expose um the falseness of these things. 02:29:28.560 --> 02:29:31.256 Four of these projects are proposed in 02:29:31.280 --> 02:29:33.976 country New South Wales. and it's not 02:29:34.000 --> 02:29:36.216 good enough. And I realize that there is 02:29:36.240 --> 02:29:39.016 an a time imperative because the state 02:29:39.040 --> 02:29:40.455 member says Sydney's running going to 02:29:40.479 --> 02:29:42.936 run out of landfill by 2030. That just 02:29:42.960 --> 02:29:45.960 means they got to get their skates on. 02:29:46.319 --> 02:29:48.455 Thank you, council. I'll go to councelor 02:29:48.479 --> 02:29:50.776 Preston. Yeah, at the risk of taking too 02:29:50.800 --> 02:29:52.536 much more time on this where I I feel 02:29:52.560 --> 02:29:54.056 we're all in furious agreement, I've 02:29:54.080 --> 02:29:56.216 just been a member of the um the 02:29:56.240 --> 02:29:58.696 community liaison committee for Violia 02:29:58.720 --> 02:30:01.720 for um for the Woodlorn um waste 02:30:02.240 --> 02:30:05.240 facility for all of last period of of 02:30:05.439 --> 02:30:07.016 council and all of this period of 02:30:07.040 --> 02:30:10.040 council so far. Um and that involves um 02:30:10.399 --> 02:30:13.256 a a report on in each meeting on the 02:30:13.280 --> 02:30:16.280 progress of the um the ark and um and 02:30:17.840 --> 02:30:19.496 which is the the incinerating 02:30:19.520 --> 02:30:20.936 facility and it's never been 02:30:20.960 --> 02:30:23.960 satisfactorily um u shown or 02:30:24.560 --> 02:30:27.560 demonstrated to that that committee that 02:30:27.920 --> 02:30:30.920 um there is any real intent to to 02:30:32.399 --> 02:30:35.256 understand or to to take on some of 02:30:35.280 --> 02:30:36.536 the things that councelor Willis for 02:30:36.560 --> 02:30:37.896 instance was just talking about as a 02:30:37.920 --> 02:30:40.136 circ circular economy issues. Um they 02:30:40.160 --> 02:30:42.696 pay a lot of lip service to it. and 02:30:42.720 --> 02:30:44.776 what we have have found time and time 02:30:44.800 --> 02:30:46.696 again is that the the proposed 02:30:46.720 --> 02:30:49.335 operator for this this the the Ark 02:30:49.359 --> 02:30:52.359 facility has has been unable to meet 02:30:53.600 --> 02:30:55.496 community expectations time and time 02:30:55.520 --> 02:30:57.415 again with their their current 02:30:57.439 --> 02:31:00.439 facility. , and it it just seems 02:31:01.040 --> 02:31:03.976 incredible that we would get this far 02:31:04.000 --> 02:31:06.216 down this track and still be still be 02:31:06.240 --> 02:31:08.856 having to fight this. Um, I I just would 02:31:08.880 --> 02:31:10.295 also like to make a suggestion that 02:31:10.319 --> 02:31:13.319 perhaps as well as the council um this 02:31:13.920 --> 02:31:16.696 QPRC making a submission to the the 02:31:16.720 --> 02:31:18.856 committee. we perhaps consider 02:31:18.880 --> 02:31:21.880 whether the CRJ might might might 02:31:22.000 --> 02:31:25.000 join together and and do that as 02:31:25.040 --> 02:31:26.616 make make a joint submission as well. 02:31:26.640 --> 02:31:28.295 And I I I wouldn't make I'm not going to 02:31:28.319 --> 02:31:30.776 make that as an amendment. Um but just a 02:31:30.800 --> 02:31:32.696 suggestion through through you, Deputy 02:31:32.720 --> 02:31:35.256 Mayor to the general manager. 02:31:35.280 --> 02:31:37.496 Thank you, Councelor Preston. Is there 02:31:37.520 --> 02:31:40.136 any further discussion? If not, um 02:31:40.160 --> 02:31:41.736 Council Grundy, did you want to sum it 02:31:41.760 --> 02:31:43.096 up? 02:31:43.120 --> 02:31:45.656 Only to say I'd add to Councelor 02:31:45.680 --> 02:31:48.375 Preston's remarks. Um there's nothing 02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:51.399 stopping any individual also from making 02:31:51.760 --> 02:31:53.656 a submission. Thank you. 02:31:53.680 --> 02:31:55.496 Thank you, Councelor Krandi. I'll now 02:31:55.520 --> 02:31:58.295 put the motion. All those in fe in in 02:31:58.319 --> 02:32:00.776 favor that is unanimous and that is 02:32:00.800 --> 02:32:02.936 carried. 02:32:02.960 --> 02:32:05.736 Buzzing is got to me there. I was all 02:32:05.760 --> 02:32:08.760 right. Um there are no questions with 02:32:09.760 --> 02:32:12.056 noticed. So moving on to notice of 02:32:12.080 --> 02:32:13.976 intention to deal with matters in the in 02:32:14.000 --> 02:32:16.936 close session in accordance with clause 02:32:16.960 --> 02:32:19.960 59 .6 of the council code of meeting 02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:21.816 practice. Are there any presenta 02:32:21.840 --> 02:32:24.136 presentations as to why they the matters 02:32:24.160 --> 02:32:26.216 listed for closed session should not be 02:32:26.240 --> 02:32:28.856 dealt with in closed session? 02:32:28.880 --> 02:32:31.016 If not, then I will move that the that 02:32:31.040 --> 02:32:33.096 pursuant to section 10A of the local 02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:35.415 government act 1993, the following item 02:32:35.439 --> 02:32:37.415 on the agenda for the ordinary council 02:32:37.439 --> 02:32:39.496 meeting be dealt with in close session 02:32:39.520 --> 02:32:42.295 for the following reasons. 02:32:42.319 --> 02:32:44.856 Um item 16.1 02:32:44.880 --> 02:32:47.335 2025-69 02:32:47.359 --> 02:32:49.496 design and construction of women's 02:32:49.520 --> 02:32:51.976 change rooms freebody oval. Do I read 02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:53.976 all that? 02:32:54.000 --> 02:32:56.696 Um item 16.1 is confidential in 02:32:56.720 --> 02:32:59.016 accordance in accordance with S10 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:01.976 bracket A close bracket C of the Local 02:33:02.000 --> 02:33:04.455 Government Act 1993 because it contains 02:33:04.479 --> 02:33:06.936 information that would if disclosed 02:33:06.960 --> 02:33:08.856 confer a commercial advantage on a 02:33:08.880 --> 02:33:10.295 person with whom the council is 02:33:10.319 --> 02:33:12.616 conducting or proposes to conduct 02:33:12.640 --> 02:33:14.856 business business and discussions of the 02:33:14.880 --> 02:33:17.096 matter in an open meeting would be on 02:33:17.120 --> 02:33:19.335 balance contrary to the public interest. 02:33:19.359 --> 02:33:21.576 Can I please have a second? Seconded by 02:33:21.600 --> 02:33:24.600 councelor Waterhouse. All in favor that 02:33:24.720 --> 02:33:26.936 is unanimous and we will now move into 02:33:26.960 --> 02:33:29.960 close session. 02:33:32.319 --> 02:33:34.136 We now return to the open meeting and I 02:33:34.160 --> 02:33:35.736 will read the decision made in close 02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:38.760 session that council one award contract 02:33:38.960 --> 02:33:41.096 2025-69 02:33:41.120 --> 02:33:43.176 design and construction of women's rugby 02:33:43.200 --> 02:33:45.976 change rooms at free body oval to inter 02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:49.000 intermain pty limited for a contract 02:33:50.000 --> 02:33:53.000 price of 2,356,293 02:33:55.439 --> 02:33:58.439 excluding GST to allocate $28,000 from 02:33:58.800 --> 02:34:01.656 the Queen City Council 2012 section 94 02:34:01.680 --> 02:34:04.455 for contributions plan open spaces 02:34:04.479 --> 02:34:06.616 reserved to the project. Three, open 02:34:06.640 --> 02:34:09.415 approve the waiver of council's 4% 02:34:09.439 --> 02:34:12.439 internal project management fee. Four, 02:34:12.560 --> 02:34:15.096 approve the contingency as proposed in 02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:18.120 the budget attached. This time, the time 02:34:18.160 --> 02:34:20.216 being 02:34:20.240 --> 02:34:23.016 8:29 p.m. The agenda for the meeting has 02:34:23.040 --> 02:34:24.856 now been completed and I declare this 02:34:24.880 --> 02:34:27.880 meeting closed. Thank you.