WEBVTT 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.200 okay good evening and welcome everyone 00:00:02.279 --> 00:00:03.960 to the ordinary meeting of council for 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:07.000 the 18th of December 2024 a reminder to 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:08.800 all in attendance that tonight's meeting 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:10.560 is being webcast live and a recording of 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:11.720 the meeting will be archived to 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:14.160 council's website I begin today by 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:15.679 acknowledging the traditional custodians 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:17.399 of the land on which we meet and pay 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:18.920 respects to Elders past present and 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:20.519 emerging and extend respect to 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:22.480 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people here 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:24.519 today we acknowledge your stories 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:26.480 traditions and living cultures of Aboriginal 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:28.839 and Torres Strait Islander people on this land 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.640 and commit to building a future 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:33.759 together we have no apologies for 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:35.479 tonight's meeting but we do have 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:37.520 councilor Taskovski joining the meeting 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:41.000 via Zoom so we move on to test that we 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:42.799 can hear oh we'll test that so councelor 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:44.679 Taskovski can you hear us you let us 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.960 know yes I can thank you councelor and 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:52.320 we can hear you so we move we move on to 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:54.439 confirmation of minutes so I'll move 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:55.679 that the minutes of the ordinary meeting 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:57.240 of council held at the Queanbeyan council 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.039 chambers on the 27th of November 2024 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:02.799 confirmed and I'll ask for a second 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:05.159 councelor Broadbent is there any 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:06.480 discussion on the minutes there is 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.159 councelor Waterhouse just make sure you 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:10.799 turn on your 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:15.840 mic sorry there's a typo on item 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:20.439 eight needs the word no included in 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:23.640 it I have spoken to the minute secretary 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:25.319 and she's aware of that thank you 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.239 councelor we'll take that on board and 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:31.319 councelor Willis yes the minutes 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:34.319 for the public forum just have a 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.760 spelling error in the name of one of the 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.200 the company one of the presenters was 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:43.640 from it's guide with a y not as it's 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:45.799 spelled okay thank you councilor I will 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:46.959 take that on board and we'll get them 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.719 fixed up is there any further discussion 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:51.000 on the minutes if not we'll put the 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.280 motion council is all those in favor 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:55.920 that is unanimous and carried we move to 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:58.159 disclosure of interests so I'll move 00:01:58.239 --> 00:01:59.879 that councilors and staff now disclose 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:01.519 any interests and reasons for declaring 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:02.799 such interest in the matter is under 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:04.640 consideration by council at this meeting 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.680 and I'll ask for a second councelor 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:08.479 MacDonald and we'll move that motion 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.240 council's all in favor that's unanimous 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:13.840 and carried and I will ask the general 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:15.199 manager if we have any 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.639 disclosures Mr Mayor no I have no 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:21.319 disclosures of interest okay thank you 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.159 so councils the next item is adjournment 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:25.120 for the public for so I will move that 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:26.360 the meeting be adjourned to conduct the 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:28.120 public forum and I'll call for a second 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.479 counselor Preston and we'll move that 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:32.400 motion council is all in favor that's 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:34.759 unanimous and carried so we're now in 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.479 the public forum and a reminder that the 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.560 public for is also being live streamed 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.400 so councils tonight we have two 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:44.759 presenters via Zoom I just correct 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.560 that's that's correct and we also have 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.560 three presenters registered to speak 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:52.479 in person so we'll deal with the 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:55.199 presenters via Zoom first counselors so 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.560 the first presenter is going to be Will 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:01.639 Pearson 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:11.759 can you hear us Mr 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.560 Pearson yes good afternoon okay thank 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.960 you for joining us this evening 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:18.319 please just let us know which agenda 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:19.840 item you'll be speaking to whether 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:21.479 you're for or against the recommendation 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.000 in the business paper you'll have three 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:24.639 minutes with a windup bell at 2 and a 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:28.319 half minutes thank you yes so I'm 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:34.039 speaking on behalf of item 9.2 which is Da 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:38.319 202305.11 the South Jerrabomberra Town Center 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.360 I as I said for the motion my 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:45.159 name is Will Pearson I am the planning 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.039 manager with Village Building Company 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.479 which is the applicant for the da the 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.039 application is for the Town Center at 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:57.400 South Jerrabomberra it provides essential 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.759 infrastructure for the existing 400 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.039 dwellings and associated residents 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.319 and it will also support the future 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:06.919 growth of South 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.919 Jerrabomberra I've reviewed and I agree with 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.960 the council papers that they provide an 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:14.400 accurate description of The Proposal 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:15.719 but I did have one point of 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:21.839 clarification in on page 13 of the 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:23.800 assessment report which is attachment 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:28.439 one so figure one and the GFA 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:32.319 schedule in as reference on page 13 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:34.560 from the original scheme not the 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.600 scheme as amended the correct 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:39.600 architectural plans are accurately 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:41.959 referenced in the condition one of the 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.079 draft conditions of approval and they 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.079 are also all the correct plans are 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.519 included in attachment three of item 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.240 9.2 so 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.079 they it is it is correct 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:57.600 administratively I just wanted to 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:03.040 confirm in the the the 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:06.519 there's just a little just to 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.160 avoid any confusion with the with the 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.240 assessment report because it does 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.240 respond to one of the submissions 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:17.639 overall there were no objections from 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.079 Council internal referrals or external 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.560 agencies there was one submission which 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.519 raised an issue of the supermarket size 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.480 that has been clarified through the 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:30.120 through the amendments made 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:34.120 so it does conform with the 1000m 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.519 gross floor area requirement under 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:41.399 Clause 5.4 of the lap and that is 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:45.160 accurately referenced in the actual 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.920 in the actual assessment report on page 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.480 50 sorry 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.680 on page 45 of the actual assessment 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.240 report acknowledges that it conforms 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.439 with the requirements of Clause 5.4 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.279 and as I said the correct plans are 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:09.120 shown so overall we ? has 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:13.800 reviewed the conditions we accept all 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.560 conditions as drafted and hope that 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.920 Council agrees to support the motion 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:20.360 thank you thank you for your 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.519 presentation Mr Pearson and councils the next 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:27.040 presenter is Jazelle Riverian 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.199 you there Jazelle yes I'm here can you 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:36.319 hear me we can thank you for joining us 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:38.279 tonight when you start just please 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:39.399 just let us know which agenda item 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:40.800 you're speaking to whether you're for or 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:42.319 against the recommendation in the 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:43.920 business paper you'll have three minutes 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:45.560 with a windup bell at 2 and a half 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:48.120 minutes thank you very much well good 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.639 afternoon counselors I'm Jazelle Riverian 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:53.040 from Urbane Studio I'm speaking on 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.920 behalf of Bion development in support of 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.600 item 94 Sunset planning proposal 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:01.639 firstly I would like to thank Council 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.079 officers for advancing this matter to 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.600 today's meeting this proposal initially 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:08.959 began as a scoping document presented to 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.920 Council in February 2023 it's been long 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.720 two years where it was unanimously 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:17.480 supported with the exception of two 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.360 counselors to proceed to a planning 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.240 proposal since then we have undertaken 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:24.920 consultation with agencies and been 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.839 through so many meetings and as noted in 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.240 Council report the feedback has been 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.319 supportive of The Proposal at its core 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.759 this proposal is underpinned by three 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:37.680 key considerations that I would like to 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.399 run you through it first is to protect 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.560 the significant vegetation including the 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.120 resoning of land containing epbc box 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.600 comp Woodland currently zoned as general 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.040 residential we're going to reone this to 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.560 Environmental Conservation this ensures 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:54.120 that the land with the high quality 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.759 vegetation is legally protected while 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:58.839 areas of low biodiversity value are 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.199 unlocked for development second is the 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.639 infrastructure stage one of sunset back 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:06.639 in 2018 was designed with the stage two 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:08.759 in mind the infrastructure capacity 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.360 established in first stage including 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.519 services and utilities have been planned 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.079 to accommodate this next phase of 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:16.879 development which ensures that this 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:18.639 proposal can leverage existing 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:20.439 infrastructure without the need to 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.600 upgrade and finally The Proposal 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:24.759 requests to reduce the minim lot size 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:27.199 to 600 square meter along the central 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:31.040 open space with the th square meter Lots 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.480 at the periphery of the side to be 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.639 retained this is to ensure a smooth 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.399 transition and to respect the 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.120 Environmental Conservation this change 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.399 is a direct respond to the need for a 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.279 greater housing diversity affordability 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:48.039 and evolving Market preferences thousand 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.279 square meter lots are simply too 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.039 unsustainable and unaffordable for the 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.039 young families who make up the majority 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:58.159 of gong residents this site location is 00:08:58.240 --> 00:08:59.919 just 5 minute walk from from the goong 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.480 Town Center positioning it at an ideal 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.240 location for such a proposal offering 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.679 easy access to essential amenities and 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.000 help to reduce Reliance on vehicles and 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.159 support a more connected and livable 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.039 Community people simply can walk to 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:16.960 every need that they may have on a 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.360 day-to-day basis when they live in this 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:21.759 area it is also important to note that 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.039 factors such as perceived land 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.440 instability and visual impact which 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.559 originally guided the, Square met 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.120 minim lot for the site they have been 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:32.879 addressed through specialized detail 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:34.799 studies accompanying this planning 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.120 proposal and they all demonstrate that 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.000 these concern no longer are valid and 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.200 have been mitigated through design in 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:45.799 smary this proposal protect 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.799 delivers three main things it protects 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:50.679 the significant vegetation through 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.720 targeted resoning which is considered to 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.519 be gold standard it provides for greater 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.840 housing diversity and affordability 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.279 through appropriate lot size in Walking 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.559 distances from services and amenties 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:05.279 which is best practice Urban Design and 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:08.320 use the existing infrastructure in an 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.519 efficient manner which ensure alignment 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:12.240 with the prior planning and strategic 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.919 growth objectives well obviously the 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:16.679 Gateway determination which is this 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.799 proposal for at this stage is the first 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.159 step in a very lenty lap amendment 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.200 process so with that in mind we request 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.720 Council to resolve tonight to proceed 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:28.679 to the next stage and I'm happy to 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:30.759 answer any question that you may have 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.360 thank you thank you thank you counselors 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:34.440 and just to let you know that's not a 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:36.360 phone ringing that's the timer going 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:40.559 off we've just figured out oh all 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:42.279 right thank you Mr Rian counselors we're 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:44.360 now moving on to dealing with our 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:46.320 speakers in person and I did make a 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.559 mistake we actually have four registered 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.399 speakers and the first one how could 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.879 I forget is Sue Murray from the 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.159 Braidwood Community Association so I'll 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.200 just say this once for all the people 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.240 speaking in person just let us 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:02.679 know the agenda you're speaking to 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:04.240 whether you're for or against the 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.159 recommendation in the business paper and 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:07.519 just like our speakers via Zoom you'll 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.080 have three minutes with a windup Bell at 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:10.879 two and a half 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.039 minutes thank you first of all I'd 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:15.759 like to say welcome to all of the 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:17.840 counselors thank you so much for coming 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.519 to Braidwood thank you also to the staff 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.600 it's lovely to see the three new 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.440 counselors as well as well as the ones 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:26.840 who have been here on the last 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:29.360 Council we're looking forward to working 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.399 work with you over the next four years I 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.960 just wanted to very briefly talk about 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.200 item 9.1 which is the brawood 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:40.919 structure plan and I'm for it 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:42.639 obviously it's something that we've 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.559 been working with Council on for quite 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.399 some time I just wanted to first of all 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:50.759 thank the staff everyone who's been 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:53.120 involved in developing this plan because 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:55.519 it's been over a fairly long period of 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.480 time it's really good to see that the 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:00.679 ideas and the issues that were discussed 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:04.799 during the consultation period in 2023 a 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:06.799 lot I haven't read the whole report by 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.360 the way it's very long but just briefly 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.360 skimming it it seems like a lot of 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.000 the ideas that we discussed have been 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.559 Incorporated so that the public have 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.039 been listened to the residents have been 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.840 listened to there's a lot to take in 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.519 so I'm not going to make any comments 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.440 about the the content but just to thank 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.720 you very much this docent is really 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:29.399 really important to us it's it gives us 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:31.399 a way forward and we've needed that for 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.960 quite some time so looking forward to 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.240 the consultation period and and over 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.399 the next you know whatever period of 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.799 time at least this is going to guide the 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.000 development of bwood it takes away a lot 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:47.399 of the uncertainty that we've been 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:51.360 facing so thank you all very much for 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.360 that thank you councilors the next 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:59.759 presenter is Melba suus 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.039 good evening members of council and 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:06.399 thank you for the opportunity to address 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:08.360 you today and my name is m Tois and I 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.080 represent the Greek Orthodox Parish arch 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.519 dicese of St Demetrius in quean and 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.799 I'm will be speaking for item 9.7 on 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:18.639 the 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.159 agenda St Demetrius Parish has 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:23.159 recently embarked on an exciting new 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:25.080 project with a view to build eight tow 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:27.519 houses on the church property at 120 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.840 Colette Street queenan 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.039 once completed these tow houses will be 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.240 available for rent and will offer 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.159 affordable housing options to local 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:37.919 families in particular the elderly 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:40.720 citizens of the Queen B palarang area 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:42.600 there are eight two-bedroom tow houses 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:44.080 on ground level designed with the 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:46.720 elderly in mind the project is expected 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.080 to cost in the vicinity of 2.5 million 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:50.799 and will contribute to the wider local 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.919 community positively impacting 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.039 employment of local trades people and 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.159 community services such as such as 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.000 Elderly Care the parish has always 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:01.879 played an important role in the queenb 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:03.600 palang area the church is a not 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:05.120 for-profit charity that provides 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.120 religious Social Services cultural and 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.240 charity support bringing together the 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.399 young and old in the Vibrant Community 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.440 Spirit the parish currently has 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.440 morning tees on a monthly basis it holds 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.440 weekly INF infant play groups it has a 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:23.679 hall that is open to the general public 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:25.960 and we often have different cultural 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.120 groups utilizing that Hall and and we 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.159 are also in the process of plans for 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.399 a registered Age Care facilitator to 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.840 manage ndis services within our elderly 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.960 Community which will be housed 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.240 within the Hall of the church and due to 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.440 the proximity of the tow houses on the 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.759 property future tenants will be able to 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.840 access these services on offer St 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:52.360 Demetrius is largely funded by 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.080 fundraising activities by its local 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:55.720 members and for some time the parish has 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:57.799 been ously working to raise funds 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.279 through Raffles monthly morning tees and 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:02.879 donations to develop plans for our 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.840 vision of this townhouse development on 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.039 October the 17 the parish received an 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.960 invoice in relation to the payment of 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.080 15,5 4650 in order to proceed with the 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.720 da submission so as to not jeopardize 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:17.720 the proceedings of The Da application 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:20.120 the parish was advised not to leave this 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.480 unpaid and despite existing Financial 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.320 pressures we proceeded to complete the 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.960 full payment of this fee on the 25th of 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.440 October this payment was made good faith 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:31.679 that a future waiver could be considered 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:34.720 at the next available meeting we fully 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:36.559 understand the costs associated with the 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:38.639 development process as a Community 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.039 Driven driven Parish with limited 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.840 resources we are reaching out for your 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.519 consideration to support the fees 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:49.320 reimbursed this would send a very 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:52.879 positive endorsement to our community 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.759 that the council is supporting us and 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.320 foreseeing a pro the project to come to 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.840 some kind of reality we would like to 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:02.240 note that this is the first time that 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:03.639 our parish is reaching out for 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:05.759 assistance from the council we regard 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:07.399 the development as a significant 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:09.039 investment for the community that will 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:10.759 not only help meet the growing demand 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:12.720 for housing in the area but will also 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.399 provide us a much needed Revenue stream 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.200 to continue providing the services that 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.799 we do thank you very much for your 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:22.919 attention and happy to answer any 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:24.759 questions that you may have thank you 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:26.919 for your presentation Council the next 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.919 presenter is Tina stab 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:38.679 put my name down yeah just in case but 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.159 we were just thinking the positivity 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:46.720 of this just make yeah the message 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:49.080 would go to the community now we've had 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.799 a similar model in the community before 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.080 so we've succeeded in building a house 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:56.399 on the church 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:59.440 side that is rented 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:02.000 externally originally for the priest but 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.000 we've decided to rent it 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:07.319 externally we built a church Hall 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.160 with the same model and looking 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:11.920 forward to the townhouse development I 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.960 think socially it'll be a lovely 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:17.480 addition to the community now the model 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:21.839 is that the Arch dases will lend the 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.359 money and then we will start working 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.599 very very hard to pay it back so if 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:33.319 Council consider this project 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.240 worthy I think the message to our 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:39.240 community would be that it's worth 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:41.039 standing by the project and then we 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.440 would launch into the efforts to fund 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:48.920 and repay as quickly as possible so 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.160 as I said it is a model we've used and 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:55.920 we're looking forward to seeing it go 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:58.079 forward so your support would be 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:01.559 wonderful it would be a 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:04.680 blessing thank you thank you all thank 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.279 you and Council the last registered 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.960 speaker is Steve 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.160 stabus you still 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.920 gonna okay so so Mr St is going to W 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:17.400 withdraw and counc just want to point 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:19.039 out that the speakers actually spoke 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:20.240 against the recommendation in the 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:23.440 business paper and not and not for so 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.400 okay councils we have had all of our 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.319 presentations I will note that we 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.839 also received three written submissions 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:34.920 and they were from the bungad seniors 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.440 Association in relation to item 9.10 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:40.160 which is the appointment of advisory 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.400 committees delegates the senior's 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.960 advisory committee in particular and 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.400 they were against 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:47.400 recommendation a written submission from 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:49.680 sh Sharon backer judge on the same item 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.279 also against and also in relation to 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:54.839 the bungad town center environment 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:55.799 committee 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.759 recommendation we received one from 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.160 the queenan citiz 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.119 quean senior citizen Association and 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.359 quean health walking group in relation 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.799 to the same item and they were against 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.400 and then the fourth was from the village 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.319 Building Company relating to item 9.2 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:12.799 which is a development application at 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.279 460 environa Drive South Jerrabomberra Town 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.039 Center they were for the recommendation 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.319 councils do we have any petitions to be 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.240 tabled at the next ordinary 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.359 meeting if not I will advise that 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:27.920 response letters for two petitions 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:30.079 tabled during the public for at the 27 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:32.519 November 2024 council meeting are tabled 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.559 at this week's public for there were 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:36.160 no questions or notice received for this 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.000 week's meeting and councils that 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:39.839 concludes the public form and we will 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.119 reconvene the meeting and move to the 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.160 first item for 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:46.839 determination councilor Wilson thank 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.319 you mayor I wonder if I can move a 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.000 procedural motion that we consider item 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.880 9.7 first okay Council a minute have 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.160 we sorry no so do we have a second to 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.079 bring forward item 9.7 yet councelor 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:00.480 scharett and we'll put that motion 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.200 council's all in favor that's unanimous 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.160 and carried just before we do I'm going 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.039 to ask staff about Council Taskovski and 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.400 whether or not we can get him much 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.759 bigger on that screen 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:16.880 there there we go I can see him thank 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:20.200 you so councils we have moved to item 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:24.079 9.7 which is the request from St 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:25.920 Demetrios parish for reimbursement of 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:27.920 development application fees to have a 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.920 mover for the recommendation I would 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.079 like to move mayor if I can get a 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:33.279 second that Council acknowledge the 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.319 request from St Demetrius Parish of 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:37.440 reimbursement Dev application fees and 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:39.160 advise them that the request has been 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.039 accepted okay let's read that again 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.559 slowly for the minute secretary and 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:47.519 hopefully we might need to bring her 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.880 screen up on the big 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.599 screen so it's just as the business 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.680 paper except instead of saying is 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.599 declined it says is accepted and 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.119 stops okay do we have a second councel 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:08.759 schw okay councelor Wilson thank you 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:11.039 mayor and thank you straight away 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:12.640 to those that have taken the time to 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.319 drive out from the parish to 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.920 present why they believe and put the 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.160 case that this is actually worthy of a a 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:21.839 fee reimbursement in this case because 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.279 the fees already been paid rather than a 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:25.279 waiver like we did for the rest bite 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:28.720 Center I'll be up front the way the 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.720 paper reads it reads like a $2.9 million 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:33.160 commercial entity and why would we 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:35.519 bother reimbursement but hearing 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:36.960 tonight about what the Project's going 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.519 to do about the community impact of 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:41.559 the parish that this is the first 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:43.839 time that they have come to the council 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:47.200 and not receive donations Etc I am 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.200 and considering it is a a large 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.359 income stream and this is only part of 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.319 that income stream I'm more than 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:56.680 happy to move that we accept and with 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:58.000 the recommendation that I've put thank 00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:59.039 you mayor 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:00.480 okay cancel 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.680 schwack yeah thank you yeah I'm 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:04.480 supporting the motion I've actually I 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:06.920 guess to be upfront or open been the 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.640 recipient of the hospitality of the of 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:09.720 the church in the past when they've 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:12.000 invited us to their one of their annual 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:14.519 festivals when I was Deputy Mayor 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:16.599 once so I've seen the church 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:17.960 firsthand I've seen the people there 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:20.160 firsthand and the commitment they have 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:21.440 to me this actually makes a lot of 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:22.640 sense because it actually provides a 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.359 level of selfs Financial 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:26.920 self-sufficiency for the church so they 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:28.480 potentially won't be coming back to us 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.720 again for any sort of help financial 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:33.279 help like this and it does actually fix 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.359 a nber of issues regarding Age Care 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:37.240 facilities and also cost of living 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.359 pressures in the in the area so I 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.519 am supportive of this thank you 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:44.160 councelor swet further discussion 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:46.599 councilors councelor Willis I have a 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:50.079 question to you mayor from the paper 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:51.960 and the the original letter that we 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:56.119 received requesting the the 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:58.079 effective repayment of the fees that are 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.599 already paid there's no mention of 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:04.599 sort of aged housing or social 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.839 housing and it reads as purely a 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.400 commercial operation so I'm just in 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:13.039 order for me to decide whether this 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:14.880 merits 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.000 $155,000 from the 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.680 council outside of the you know the 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:24.200 donations policy process can I can 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.880 staff provide any more insight into 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:30.079 what the nature we heard from the 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.039 presenters but what the I I think 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:34.960 there are more than eight tow houses in 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.519 the project so just what the nature of 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:39.720 the housing proposal 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:44.079 is Mr MERS is a question you're able to 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:46.759 answer so through you Mr Mayor I 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.079 do believe it is only the eight units 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.319 that the proposal is for it's just a 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.839 multi-dwelling Housing Development so 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:55.279 you know all of the eight units would be 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:58.440 on one title you know they don't 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:00.640 have to use any of the affordable hous 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.680 housing Provisions to enable them 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:05.400 themselves to deliver their scheme 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.680 and you know it's a matter for them 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.519 as to their retention and Rental of it 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.519 you know and and how they choose to to 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:15.960 run it or how they choose to manage it 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.480 through their 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.759 entities thank 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.480 you apologies Council 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.119 Broadband through you Mr Mayor I I 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.079 understand in the paper as it is put at 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:33.559 the moment that there is insufficient 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:36.519 budget to fund this I would like to 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.480 get a bit of an understanding as to how 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:42.000 Council might recommend we allocate 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:44.119 funds to 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:45.799 this 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.359 Miss Miss Ron the general manager 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.640 through you Mr Mayor I thought I'd 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:56.039 written in there that if this was 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:57.759 considered that would come from General 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.240 funds so it wouldn't be a reimbursement 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:02.359 from the fees paid it would be from 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:05.079 general fund paying that donation 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.680 directly to the 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.400 church is there further discussion 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.759 councilors coun councelor Grundy a 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:18.240 question through you Mr Mayor that 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.519 does staff stand by a statement in 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:23.319 the 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:28.279 report whereby it's outlined that 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.559 if this was to go ahead it 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.039 actually would be inconsistent with the 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.960 eligibility eligibility criteria of our 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.559 donations 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:44.720 policy this one for general 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.680 manager through Mr 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.039 Mayor with a cover letter it didn't 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:52.119 address our normal criteria that we 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.920 would request for a donation of this 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.680 sort the church has provided extra 00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.480 clarification for the council it's up to 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:01.640 council to make that 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:03.960 decision is there further discussion 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:05.880 councilors councelor Wilson would you 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:07.799 like an opportunity to s 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.240 up yeah thank you just a very quick 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:12.000 comment just so those following along 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:13.640 at home and correct me if I'm wrong 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.480 but da fees they go into the general 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:17.000 fund so back out of the general fund so 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.359 I think just want to put that on the 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.000 record so yeah just that and thank 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.119 you again for coming coming along I 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:26.200 note that you paid the fee in good 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.839 good good faith and that's why in 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.319 this situation we have to maybe give it 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.440 back out of the general fund rather than 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:33.200 just giving a waiver like we have 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:35.279 before so thank you mayor for that okay 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.000 councilors will put the motion all those 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.480 in favor councelor Livermore 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.759 councelor Preston councelor schet 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:43.519 councelor Willis councel Wilson 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:44.920 councelor Winchester and councelor 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.039 Taskovski and against councel Broadbent 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.440 councelor Grundy councelor MacDonald and 00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:52.200 councelor Waterhouse I declare it 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:54.279 carried thank you councilors we will now 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:57.359 move back to item 9.1 which is the 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.559 public exhibition of the draft Braidwood 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.599 structure plan and do we have a mover 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:04.480 councelor Willis seconded councelor 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.240 MacDonald councelor Willis would like to 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:07.240 speak to the 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.839 item just briefly mayor and and thank 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.119 Miss Murray for coming along she's as 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.759 she mentioned she's been along 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.319 involved in this process from the outset 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.480 there was very good engagement with the 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.960 the discussion paper that is informed 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.480 the draft Braidwood structure plan and 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:27.799 I'm hoping that given Council has agreed 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.680 to the bcaa's request that consultation 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.519 not commence until the end of January so 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.079 we're outside of that holiday period 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.519 that we will again see good 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.119 engagement from the community in this 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.480 plan cuz it's it's their plan really 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.640 it's about the vision that they have for 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.400 their community and mapping out what's 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.960 feasible and getting a real sense of 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.720 whether what they're hoping for is 00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:56.359 actually achievable and some of the 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.400 constraints around that so it's a 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.400 great opportunity for people to be 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.000 involved in shaping the future of 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.119 Braidwood thank you councelor Willis 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.599 councelor 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.920 MacDonald thank you mayor and 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.720 many people in briwood have been 00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.200 involved so thank them additionally to U 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.279 the presenter Miss Murray tonight 00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:23.319 and I know Council Council laws have had 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.160 a good deal of opportunity as well 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.119 to be involved at this early stage I I 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.279 think this has been a hither to a a 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.440 textbook example of how we can develop 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.880 what is a very very detailed and 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.160 transformative plan in conjunct with 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.680 Council working with the community and 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.519 I believe in in a previous life 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.200 now Council Waterhouse also had a had 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.240 a bit to say about the about the plan 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.920 to meeting here in Braidwood so do thank 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.920 everyone for that involvement it it 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.279 doesn't end here and looking forward to 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.720 continuing this this journey for what 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.960 will be the future of breadwood Thank 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.319 You councelor Is there further 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.279 discussion councelors councelor schocket 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.960 I just have a question when was the 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:11.640 first time that council's actually saw 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.000 the structure plan in its sort of 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.359 final 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.319 form this one for Mr M through you Mr 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.359 Mayor this is a draft structure plan 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:24.839 that would be going out to consultation 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:26.759 so it's not in its final form the final 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:28.359 form will be after after the 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.759 consultation period having regard for 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.640 the comments and other potential changes 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.119 so this actual docent that's attached 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.720 to the the papers that was published and 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.519 at the point of publishing that is when 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.039 it became you know publicly available 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.400 in terms of all of the consultation 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.759 docent and the discussion paper 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:50.480 that's been available for the community 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.160 for I think that Miss Murray said two 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:54.880 years and it does feel like it's been a 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.559 year and a half two years of work so I'm 00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.000 sure that they're familiar with quite a 00:29:59.079 --> 00:29:59.799 lot of 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.559 it so if I may from that answer I I 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.400 gather Friday night was when Council was 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:05.920 first saw this particular docent in 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.160 its 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.480 form yes that's correct and you'll be 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:13.240 able to see it in its current form all 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:14.920 the way through to when the consultation 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.440 closes and then you'll be able to also 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.400 be involved in shaping 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.920 it so a question for you Mr May you 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.240 recall when we did the bung Andor 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.000 structure plan we did about five six 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:28.720 face to-face work shops over 3 or 4 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.240 hours each night we had the docent 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.960 present we went through it paragraph by 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.640 paragraph we were on our feet pointing 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.000 at Maps doing all sorts of things has 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:38.039 this docent gone through that 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.039 development process with 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.640 councilors I think it's better address 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.920 by staff M Ryan through Mr Mayor so 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:48.319 there have been a nber of workshops 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:49.680 that we've had with counselors 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.400 throughout this process and certainly 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.000 the workshops with the community has 00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.799 been very important for that working 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.680 through Maps pointing maps and going 00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:01.480 through that this is a draft docent 00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:03.880 that we've got now after that process 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.279 which we'd like to get on public 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.559 exhibition sorry to continue my question 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.039 I'm looking more for excuse 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.480 me I'm looking for looking more from the 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.160 point of view as where has councilors 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:16.759 actually imported into this particular 00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:18.359 docent I'm hearing Community 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:20.599 involvement that's that's great but 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:22.039 under this The Local Government Act 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.599 Council ISM meant to develop the policy 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.319 before it goes out when set the 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.759 direction before it goes out for public 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:30.839 consultation I'm not hearing that we've 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:31.720 done 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.880 that and that's why I bring up the 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:35.279 example and ask you directly about 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.119 Theodor structure plan how much effort 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:39.160 and time we went into that going through 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.640 paragraph by paragraph by paragraph and 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:42.960 I'm not hearing that this Council has 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.359 done that or had that opportunity 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.039 yet I can only speak for myself this has 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:50.480 been an ongoing process that we're at a 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:51.799 certain point at now where we're 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:53.079 releasing the draft we have been 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:54.839 involved there has been consultation 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.839 only the councilors that are serving on 00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:59.160 the former Council that are on this one 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.200 can speak for themselves but I don't see 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:02.400 much difference at all between what we 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.440 did with bung and what we're doing right 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.319 now I guess my concern with this 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.519 docent is that the the part of the 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:13.319 structure plan or should have concluded 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.160 more detail about the proposed bypass 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.799 which was actually a council resolution 00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.839 407 of 17 which was passed 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.960 unanimously by you and me in that 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.000 previous Council that they'd included in 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.079 the structure plan now it's been essenti 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.440 cast aside in the structure plan but 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:33.960 it's actually a resolution of council to 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:35.720 include it in there so this what I'm 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.079 saying if if we had proper Workshop that 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.279 would might have come up so I'm I'm I'm 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.160 very look the structure plan is great 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:44.680 the way it is but I'm just think it's we 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.480 haven't had enough time as councilors 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:49.200 to actually input that and when we were 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.880 told the other night that we will get 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:53.559 our input opportunity with the rest of 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.599 the public again somewhat contrary to 00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:58.039 the Local Government Act where we meant 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.000 to set the Direction first before it 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.440 goes out so I'm just a I'm not sure 00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.480 whether they vote against this or or for 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.000 it because we I don't believe we've had 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:09.839 enough we as the community 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:11.880 Representatives have had enough input 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.759 into it separately on our own but 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:16.759 I'll leave that with you yeah I'll go to 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.519 Mr for comment on bypass particularly 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.240 through you Mr Mayor the council can't 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:25.119 require a state government to provide a 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.279 bypass so even if there was a previous 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.240 Council resolution seeking a bypass of 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.039 Braidwood that was never within your 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.279 gift to make through the discussion 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:36.880 paper and the work that we've done with 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.119 the state government agencies and the 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.319 referral of this draft structure plan 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.319 which is you know the process that 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.839 we've been through it's evident that 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:48.480 a desire of a b bypass of Braidwood 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.480 isn't a desire of new southwes transport 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.400 I think that you know I take on board 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.319 that you know councilors might wish 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.279 to go through the complete detail of the 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.319 discussion paper and all of the options 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.039 and the proposals that were in the 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.200 discussion paper so that I can bring all 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.759 of the councilors up to the same do you 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.320 know what I mean standard of 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.760 understanding as to all of the processes 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:13.000 we've been through because when the 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.239 councilors adopted the final 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.360 discussion paper which I think was in 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.559 the middle of this year or or the 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.039 beginning of this year that was for me a 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.480 very clear a clear you know there's 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.119 been many clear decision decisions along 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.159 the way but I'm happy to take the 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.039 counselors through that decision chain 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.719 and that process and I think it's also 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.119 really important that you know in 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.800 terms of if there is a desire to go 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:41.920 through paragraph by paragraph with 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.360 the structure plan I'm more than happy 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.679 to facilitate that and you 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.280 know I'm available 5 days a week and you 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.400 know where to find me so it's we can 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.679 definitely do that councilor sh 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.360 it thank you is there further discussion 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.480 councelor Broad 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:03.079 B yes thanks Mr Mayor to I guess 00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.880 M's point just then I'm a little 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:06.719 concerned being a relatively new 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:08.519 counselor that I've had less than 5 days 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.320 to engage with this structure plan 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.280 obvious you know just not withstanding 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:14.639 that doesn't make it a bad structure 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:15.719 plan and something that I wouldn't 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.880 necessarily support I am a little 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:19.639 concerned that we would be looking to 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.639 essentially Workshop paragraph by 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.920 paragraph with Miz Miller after we've 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.199 sent a draft to the public for 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.800 their opinions so there's a 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.599 there's a the outcome of that would 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:34.199 suggest that we would possibly be in a 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.599 situation where if councilors decide 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.800 they want to modify elements and 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.159 that's different to what The public's 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:44.239 opinion opinions are we would be 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.519 left with kind of I guess contested 00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.880 ideas there at the end so to that 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.559 fact I would like to foreshadow a 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.039 motion that this item be deferred in the 00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:56.280 case that it's 00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:00.280 lost following a workshop okay counc 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.639 so we have a foreshadowed contrary 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.639 motion that the item be 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:06.760 deferred Is there further discussion on 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.840 the item councilors councilor Livermore 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.679 just wanted to just note that there's 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.360 still time for for councilors to still 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.320 make that input in once it goes out to 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.440 draft so out to consultation so you 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:20.880 know there there's still those 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.679 opportunities for councils to have input 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.679 Thank You councelor Is there further 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:28.039 discussion councelor Wilson then 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.760 councelor Grandy thank you mayor I 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:32.159 wasn't going to speak in this debate cuz 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:33.599 I thought it really was a process that 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:34.679 we've been going on a journey with the 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.920 community now for a couple of years 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:38.480 but given the commentary made by other 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:39.760 councilors I just want to put on the 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.199 record that I do feel comfortable with 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.800 where we're at in the journey I think 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.719 the community is being engaged we are 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:47.599 a body that is a part of the state 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.440 government delivery in this state 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:51.599 and we have to work with the state 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.800 government and as pointed out by our 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.840 head of planning although a bypass 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.719 may be something we may wish we have to 00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.760 work within the parameters we work in so 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.159 I'm okay with taking this forward and 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.440 I'll be supporting the recommendation 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.719 as put on the floor now thank you thank 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.800 you councelor Wilson councelor Grundy 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.239 thank you Mr Mayor in view of the 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.159 foreshadowed motion I'd like to ask a 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.360 question through you is is there any 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.840 immediacy relating to tonight's 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.199 decision and and this matter before us 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.760 so the question is it impact of 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.679 deferring and is this one for the 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.719 general manager or missa through you 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:33.639 Mr Mayor it's just the the faith that 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.519 you're placing in the community and the 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:37.079 engagement that we've been on in the 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.440 journey with them thus far I think that 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.719 the deferral doesn't you know 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.599 impact on you know if if it's a further 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:48.880 month you know then then that's fine but 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.480 what this would enable us to do with a 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.400 decision tonight is be prepared with our 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.320 website and all of the coms and work 00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:56.599 that we would be doing that we'd be 00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.320 launching at the end end of 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.679 January I think that it's also you 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:03.039 know it's a published docent now 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:04.679 everyone's got between now and the end 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.159 of January as well to read the docent 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.360 it's in the public domain now so your 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.840 choice to delay taking a decision to 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.119 take it out to 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.079 consultation unless you're looking at 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.000 doing a substantial rewrite which isn't 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:19.960 where we we're at with the community at 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.840 all I you know would suggest it's 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.119 unhelpful if the question is more that 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:27.800 you feel that you need a long 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.159 consultation period so that it it's not 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.119 just the 28 days at the end of February 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.679 but it's longer we can facilitate that 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:36.800 but I think it would be a bit 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.480 disingenuous given we've taken the 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.719 committee on the journey thus far and 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.440 you know much of the 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.440 docentation includes engagement which 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.239 councilors were also involved in with 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.039 the community so that's my my 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.960 comment okay is there further discussion 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.000 councilors I might just make a very 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.400 brief comment in that sometimes you 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.519 need to have faith in the former Council 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:03.119 we've been working with the community 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:04.840 for a very long time on this you heard 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:05.880 from the head of the Community 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.679 Association how happy she is we've had 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.719 consultation and we've heard from many 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:12.239 members of the local community they're 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.400 very happy with how it's gone so far 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.719 they haven't raised the issue tonight 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.480 about needing the need to extend the 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.480 consultation period and you know 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:22.639 there's further work to be done here 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:23.920 we're at a point now where we're ready 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.000 to release this draft and I'm happy 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:28.599 that we are and that I'll be supporting 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.440 the motion and I will go back to the 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.679 original move if they have 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.239 any points to s up with just 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.519 briefly mayor yes I mean the time 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.159 that I've been on Council the last three 00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:42.199 years there have been a nber of 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.199 opportunities to be involved we were 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.000 briefed on some of the constraints to 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.239 development some of the issues when the 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:49.960 when the draft discussion paper was 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:51.920 being developed we had the opportunity 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.960 to review all of the comments before 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.440 we finalize updated and finalize that 00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.480 paper and that's what's fed into this 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.400 docent and to Council of 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.960 broadband's Point taking longer 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.280 now at this point won't necessarily 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.119 assure that everyone agrees with 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.039 everything often times you will find out 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:14.960 that councils have to make decisions 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.679 that not everyone agrees with but 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.360 they're made in the our best judgment 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.559 for the benefit of the whole Community 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.239 or the entire local government area and 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.519 if if we hadn't had the detail of 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.119 involvement with different sectors in 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.360 the community then I might be cautious 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.960 as well about going out now but I know 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:38.559 that it has been thorough and I'm 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:40.920 quite comfortable with giving the this 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.239 docent to the community now and 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.639 waiting until they send it back to us in 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.000 practical in Practical terms we are 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.199 not we're not having any more workshops 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.679 we wouldn't have enough time between now 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.800 and the 29 January meeting to have 00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.800 any workshops to revise the docent 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.039 and still get it out in the time frame 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.800 that's intended the point here is to 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.320 try and have the docent signed off 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.920 and adopted by Council by the middle of 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.519 June because many things will flow from 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:14.719 being able to get that work done in that 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:15.719 time 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.960 frame okay councils we'll put the motion 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:19.159 all those in 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.920 favor councilor Livermore councelor 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.719 Grundy councelor M Donald councelor 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.239 Preston councelor Waterhouse councelor 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:28.719 Willis councel Wilson councelor 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.760 Winchester and councel Taskovski and 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.079 against councel broadband and councelor 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.800 swet I declare it carried councilors the 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:39.440 next item is 9.2 councilor MacDonald 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:41.519 mayor I'm seeking the call on a 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.800 procedural matter it came to my 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.519 attention at the at the juncture 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.480 for the public presenters that one of 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.920 the presenters on this item in fact I 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.159 think the sole presenter on this item 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.559 is known to me as a personal friend 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.559 and whilst I don't have in front of 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:06.440 me the docentation I seek to 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.639 I will be providing a register of a 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.280 conflict of interest non pecuniary 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.760 nonsignificant and I will remain 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.039 noting that my relationship and my 00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.320 very best to pay little regards to 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.400 what that presenta said won't 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.280 influence my decision okay thank you 00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.519 Council so we're on item 9.2 which is Da 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.280 20235 dou1 460 Enver Verona Drive en 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:35.679 Verona construction of buildings 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.159 comprising of shops neighborhoods 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:38.599 Supermarket business premises 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.480 restaurants or Cafe takeaway food and 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:42.800 drink premises Medical Center recreation 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.280 facility indoor gymnasi Pub car park 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:46.679 signage Associated Earthworks 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.159 landscaping and infrastructure and we do 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:53.079 note Council MacDonald's conflict 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.119 of interest that is declared 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:55.800 non-significant non- pecuniary and he's 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.719 choosing to stay in the ch and do we 00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:58.960 have a move for the recommendation 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.119 councel Wilson and a second Council 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.840 Waterhouse councelor Wilson thank you 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:08.159 mayor this is sort of an next 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:09.800 evolutionary step for the South durab 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:11.840 bomber development and I'm happy 00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.400 to support it going forward thank you 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.960 councelor Wilson further discussion 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.440 councilors is councilor Waterhouse 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.440 second thank you Mr Mayor this seems 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.719 like a very well organized well planned 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.880 and well executed plan and has been 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.199 thoroughly investigated by by staff and 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.440 congratulations to to all concerned if 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.920 you ask me this is a pretty good 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.239 development thank you councelor further 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:40.400 discussion councelor Willis yes I 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.000 just had a question about the proximity 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.440 of the hotel to the park and I know we 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.320 don't have a hotel da but I guess I'm 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.880 just seeking some assurance that if 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.519 we approve tonight a hotel which is 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.159 designed a public hotel which is in 00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.760 the plans designed to be across the road 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.760 from the park that there's not going to 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.360 be the potential for adverse interaction 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:09.960 with children or family groups and 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.480 customers of the the hotel and that I 00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.000 guess that goes to O open Spa Open 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.039 Spaces that are directly front the park 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.360 so I don't know if the staff can 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.199 can give me any advice about that 00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.800 okay Mr M happy to make comment thank 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.920 you Mr Mayor through you yeah the 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.760 the facility the actual external 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.440 wall of the Pub facility is 10 m set 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.320 back from the common boundary which 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:43.400 it's indicative because of the 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.519 difference of the levels between the 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.960 facility and the park that there would 00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:53.400 be a a fence on top of a retaining 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.920 wall and a nber of steps to reach the 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.079 same level as the Park in terms of how 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.280 the registered premises manages its 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.360 interface with the general public and 00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:06.199 the Thor that would be a matter for the 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:07.320 license 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.360 application it's entirely possible 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.360 for the facility to have appropriate 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:13.920 management measures to ensure that 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.280 children can't without the 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:21.559 supervision of their parents be in the 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.599 space thank you and my my point was also 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.199 to you know people using the the Park 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.599 children or families using the park but 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:31.679 from what I've heard there's enough of a 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.039 difference in ground level and proposed 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.760 treatments that there shouldn't 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.320 be any problem thank you thank you 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.239 counselor Is there further discussion 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:44.280 counselors if not we'll put the motion 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:45.599 all those in 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.360 favor that is unanimous and carried 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:51.559 thank you councils the next item is 9.3 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:52.760 which is Da 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:54.440 20230 00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.039 36121 21 00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.679 Thea Street gong multi-dwelling housing 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.039 and strata subdivision do we have a m 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.599 counselors councelor Wilson and a second 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.400 councelor Broadband councelor Wilson 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.679 thank you mayor I just want to thank 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.400 staff on their work on this particular 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.519 da you can see from the opening 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.000 background that this original Journey 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:18.480 started with a residental flat building 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.159 mod building housing comprising 64 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.159 dwellings and we're now at 39 so 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:24.599 obviously we've had a bit of back and 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:26.840 forward and a lot of a journey to get to 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.719 to a position which is I think not 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.559 perfect as the paper says but I think on 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.079 balance I'm happy to support that it 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:36.679 moves forward now with all the staff 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.239 working with the developer so thank you 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:40.559 me thank you councelor Wilson councelor 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.119 Broadbent yeah I'm 100% say the same 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.239 there as Council Wilson I will say I 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:47.800 have previously lived in a townhouse in 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.440 gugong and it's pretty lovely thank 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.840 you thank you councelor Broadband Is 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:54.599 there further discussion councelor 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.280 Willis thank you I just had a a question 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.079 for the staff if they could clarify 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.559 according to the report the 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.280 specified area of usable communal 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.679 space has not been achieved so we're 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.079 being asked to agree to A variation and 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:14.599 I think there might be some adjustment 00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.519 to the calculation of how much that 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.039 variation is so could the staff inform 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.079 us on that please M through Mr Mayor yes 00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:25.719 to put on the public record just a 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.880 correction in relation to the report 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.920 there is an an incorrect figure in the 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.840 report the variation to the communal 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:38.840 landscape area is a 2.5% variation sorry 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.199 that was an an error in relation 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.679 to how that was calculated so it's a 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.719 fairly low variation to that and just 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.079 as explanation it comes about because 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.760 the applicant can actually comply with 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.039 this requirement however officers 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.159 assessment is that some some of the 00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.440 space which they were offering as 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.440 communal would be better served if it 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.119 was within the private open space so the 00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.360 future occupants would have the benefit 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.199 of that area so I think that the 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.920 variation we are asking your support for 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.360 tonight is to ensure that the 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.159 development would you know achieve 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.280 other benefits for the 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.559 residents thank you I'm happy to 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:23.719 support the the application as 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:25.960 councelor Wilson said there's been a lot 00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.280 of work to ensure that it's not an 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.280 overdevelopment and and and I'm 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.559 comfortable with that variation because 00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:37.000 as M said there is a better 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.519 outcome from it and it's very important 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.880 that people living in non-traditional 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.119 detached dwellings on large larger 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.960 blocks have enough outdoor space so U I 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:50.920 think it's reasonable in this 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.800 circstance thank you counselor Is 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.039 there further 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.079 discussion if not we'll put the motion 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.840 council's all in favor that is unanimous 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.760 and carried the next item is 9.4 which 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.280 is the sunset planning proposal 141 00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.159 gurong Road gong do we have a mover 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.239 Council Waterhouse and a 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:11.599 secondar councelor Broadbent you like to 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:13.800 speak to the item councilor Waterhouse 00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:15.679 again I believe this is a welldeveloped 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.280 proposal that is a a gain for all 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:25.239 parties including the public with 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.480 with 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.960 a reasonably good quality plan 00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:35.599 that's attached to a a growing city 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.960 shall I call it suburb and it and it's 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:42.360 maintaining and enhancing Native 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.960 Woodland which I think is a net gain 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.599 for for the public as well as the 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.400 people who will be living there and I 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.599 think that the the balance between 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.920 the 600 M Square lots and the th000 M 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.000 Square Lots is pretty reasonable 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.239 one thank you councilor Waterhouse 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.039 before I ask for any discussion staff 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.400 just ask to let me know the council is 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.800 at at Point 6 in the business paper 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.800 they've actually Rewritten what 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.679 they'd like it to say so instead of at 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.079 reading as per the business paper a 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:17.760 payment of fee outlined in council's 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.599 fees and charges 2024 25 for a standard 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:22.039 planning proposal be made by the 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.840 proponent it now reads six endorses the 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:27.519 assessment that the standard planning 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.400 proposal fee as set out in council's 00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.639 fees and charges 2024 25 should apply I 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.039 may just ask the staff to comment on why 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.000 we needed that 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.320 change through you Mr Mayor other 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:42.760 than the gr the the lack of grammar in 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.000 relation to that recommendation which 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.719 I I do need to ensure that your 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.639 decisions are sound and so that's only 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.000 right that that be corrected it's 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:53.920 important also that the applicant pays 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.639 the correct fee rather the fee that 00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:58.719 we have now determined to be the correct 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.880 fee which is the standard fee okay thank 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.000 you and I'll go to the second which I 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.360 think was councelor broadband and he one 00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:07.639 so is there further discussion 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:09.559 councilors councelor 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:11.800 Willis thank you mayor I had a 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.679 question and can I thank the staff 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.000 I had a few questions about this and 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.320 I've had answers to all of them and 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.400 another question arises is it correct 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.840 that the land proposed to be reowned to 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.440 C1 for 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.760 conservation that the proponent would 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.239 not have been permitted to build to 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:36.960 develop that 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.880 land is that a question you're able to 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:41.360 answer 00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:45.159 Mr you like Council to ask it again 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:46.280 are you 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.079 asking so could you reframe your 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.119 question 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.559 so in the we had an example in in 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.119 gugong Township where land previously 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.960 identified for housing was reassessed 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.599 under new biodiversity assessment 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:08.400 guidelines and regulations a and deemed 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.039 not permitted to be developed 00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.480 because of its high conservation value 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:18.199 so that land the law said the land 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.480 couldn't be developed now the land in 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.880 this case that's proposed that has been 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.400 identified as having significant 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:27.519 environmental benefit and is proposed 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:28.559 for 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.480 C1 zoning rezoning to protect that 00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.079 conservation value is it the case that 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.280 the developer would not have been 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:41.159 allowed because of the assessment of 00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:44.320 the of the ecological value of that land 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.000 to be able to put housing on 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.760 it Mr yeah through you Mr may I 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:51.519 understand the question now so what you 00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.239 have before you councilors is a planning 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:55.400 proposal and what counselor Willis's 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.360 question is asking me is if the a 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.159 development application was made and 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:01.639 through the development application 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.199 process an assessment was made on the 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:07.159 land that has those ecological values 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.440 would development consent be granted and 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.480 the point is that the values of the site 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.079 and the constraints of the site would be 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:16.239 assessed through the development 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.039 application process and where there are 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.880 these significant habitat reasons the 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.400 land wouldn't be able to be developed 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.440 and to a degree that is the reason why 00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.840 we have a proponent this planning 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:33.159 proposal before us where the the 00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.920 proposal is being reshaped to have 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.639 regard for the ecological values while 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.480 still ensuring the delivery of housing 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.519 land Supply because otherwise in the 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:48.519 absence of doing this the land which is 00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:49.639 good for 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:54.119 housing would be zoned C2 instead 00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.320 of R1 and it would also have a different 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:00.119 minim lot size which would prevent it 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.679 necessarily achieving good housing 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.960 Supply which is also part of what we're 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.159 we're all about so I think that explains 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.039 the question and 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.199 answer okay counc yes thank you may I 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.000 speak to this proposal yeah I'm I'm 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.679 not supporting the recommendation for 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.679 a nber of reasons following the 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.480 local environmental study that was 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.760 conducted by queenan City Council in 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.480 2007 the minim lot size for gong 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.719 Township was set at 330 Square met and 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.360 for the land that's the subject of this 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.000 planning proposal it was 1, square 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.320 meters that is there was a deliberate 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.280 decision to ensure development north of 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.519 the township was not at an urban scale 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.719 this planning proposal seeks to overturn 00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.039 that creating Urban scale Housing 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.719 Development which would allow twostory 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.760 dwellings per lot on the proposed 86 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:56.599 Lots all of which would be eligible 00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.039 under the current planning laws for 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.079 secondary dwellings or dual 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.000 occupancies and in effect this would 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.079 enable the same scale of development as 00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.559 permitted in gong Township on the lots 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.360 that where the council is being asked to 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.000 agree to redu to 600 square meters 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.159 minim size and this proposal relies on 00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:18.719 the argent that smaller Lots will 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.239 create a more efficient use of land and 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.199 infrastructure but the same argent 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.000 could be used to justify smaller Lots 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:26.880 anywhere and regardless of the 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:28.519 importance of maintaining rural 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.000 landscapes in our local government area 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:33.840 the visual impact assessment that's 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.280 included in the attachments to this item 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.480 State very clearly that the subject site 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.639 features a diverse landscape of Rolling 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.440 pastural Land characterized by grassy 00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:46.159 Plains and rugged Bushland and sits in a 00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:48.360 low density rural 00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.639 context there's also reference in the 00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.000 planning proposal to U provision of more 00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:56.519 affordable housing but there's actually 00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.559 nothing in the planning proposal that 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:00.679 guarantees affordable housing certainly 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.519 not in the way that is is 00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.400 envisaged in the council's affordable 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.599 housing strategy it's an entirely 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.360 commercial Land Development which is 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:11.000 actually marketed as providing the 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:13.280 opportunity for upmarket family 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.880 living so this is a very big increase in 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:18.119 lot yield whereas the reduction in 00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.880 developable residential land is just 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:24.920 0.33 hectares so I ask myself what is 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.519 the public benefit so we've heard that 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:29.920 the land to be rezoned to C1 could not 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.599 be developed because of its biodiversity 00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:35.199 values and I in my mind there should 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.159 not be a link between the opportunity 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.519 for much denser development through a 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.480 minim redu through a reduction in the 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.079 minim lot size and the preservation of 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.320 land with high conservation 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.880 value what's more the planning proposal 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.199 indicates that further biodiversity loss 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.000 might occur during the development of 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.679 the land proposed for rezoning with a 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.480 consequence Reliance on buying 00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.920 biodiversity offsets now that's despite 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.000 the dwindling occurrence of the 00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.480 particular en ecological Community 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.679 in our region there just isn't very much 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.280 of it left to buy to offset overall in 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:13.559 my view the adverse impact of Permitting 00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:16.119 Urban scale development on land that the 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.280 planning scheme clearly intended be 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:20.840 larger lot rural development outweighs 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.360 the public benefit bearing in mind the 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.199 legal constraints on developing land 00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.440 assessed as being of conservation 00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:30.639 value thank you councelor Willis Is 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.679 there further discussion 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.039 councilors no further discussion the 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:39.559 original move would like to s up 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:40.599 councilor 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:42.639 Waterhouse I must admit I'm a little 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.800 torn because I was unaware of 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:48.880 previous decisions made by much earlier 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.159 councils about minim sizes being 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.599 thousand on in that area but I still 00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.960 believe that this as a as a development 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.920 is a is a reasonable balance 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.800 between increasing our housing 00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.119 capability in the in the greater queenan 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.519 area which is needed plus the with a th 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:13.000 acre sorry th acre th square meter 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:17.159 blocks surrounded by 10 hectare blocks 00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:20.880 just gives it sort of a a at least a 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:23.960 buffer zone and that and that even 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:25.800 people on the 600 met blocks can just 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.280 simp walk around the block and and be be 00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:34.280 sort of on on Country if you like so I I 00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:38.159 I take my colleagues concerns 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:41.480 fairly seriously but I I do believe 00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:43.880 this one's not too 00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:46.199 bad thank you Council Waterhouse we'll 00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:47.679 put the motion councilors all those in 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:49.840 favor councelor Livermore councilor 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:51.320 Broadband councelor Grundy councelor 00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.519 MacDonald councelor Preston councelor 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:56.199 schwar councelor Waterhouse counc 00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:57.719 Winchester councelor Taskovski and 00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:59.880 against councelor Willis and councelor 00:58:59.960 --> 00:59:02.000 Wilson I declare it carried thank you 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.480 councilors the next item is 9.5 the post 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:07.400 exhibition Report Draft solid fuel 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:11.199 heater policy we have a move councelor 00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:13.280 Willis yes mayor I have an 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.440 alternative motion which is with 00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.000 the minute secretary and has been 00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:20.199 circulated to counselors shortly before 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.639 the meeting okay are you able to read 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:26.639 that out for councilors I can 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:30.719 just let me scroll down to where that is 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:37.280 here that Council one note that a a 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:39.440 substantial nber of public submissions 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.000 on the draft solid fuel heater policy 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:43.800 were based on opposition to measures 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.400 that are not part of the policy and B 00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:49.360 the policy permits existing users of 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.679 solid fuel heaters approved by Council 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.719 for installation to continue to use them 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.639 and to replace them two adopt the solid 00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:01.119 fuel heater policy ex as exhibited and 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:03.360 three write to the New South Wales 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.119 government requesting it Implement a 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.679 Statewide means tested program to 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:09.760 subsidize the cost to replace old 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.960 domestic solid fuel heaters with 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.719 electric heating okay Council we have a 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:18.119 second over councelor Willis's 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.079 motion if we don't have a second other 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.320 motion lapses so we have an alternate 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:28.480 motion counc councel Preston I 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:32.159 also I also have a an alternative 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.519 motion that is with the the minute 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:36.639 secrety we'll get you to read it out 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:38.760 councilor Preston I can do that 01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.119 Council in noting the community feedback 01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.719 received one review the solid fuel 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:46.679 heater draft policy to clarify the scope 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:50.760 and intent of the policy two prepare a 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.360 Communications plan to M against 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.639 mitigate against the misunderstanding of 01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:59.440 the scope and intent of the policy three 01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:01.280 in conjunction with the community 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.280 strategy resubmit the policy for public 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:08.800 consultation for 28 days from 1 February 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:12.119 2025 and for prepare report to Council 01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.760 on the response to the public 01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:16.679 consultation okay do I have a second a 01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:19.639 councilor is councelor Wilson councelor 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.559 Preston thank you thank you councelor 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:24.920 Wilson and and thank you for the 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.639 opportunity to speak on on this I think 01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:30.719 it is really important that that this 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.360 Council does something about about 01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.119 the solid fuel policy we need to provide 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.000 Clarity on the on the scope and intent 01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:42.039 to counteract what has been some 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:43.639 willful disinformation that was 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:46.519 propagated around the around the formal 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.760 consultation I'd just like to also 01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.360 point out that the University of CRA has 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.039 recently published a a a study of the 01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:56.840 impact of wood smoke and the key 01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:59.280 findings from this peer-reviewed study 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.519 are as follows what we know wood smoke 01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.280 wood heater smoke is a major modifiable 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.440 source of air pollution in Australian 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.280 cities and towns that reduces Community 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:12.320 Health and 01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.119 well-being now this study was conducted 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:16.599 in the Australian Capital territory 01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:18.599 right across the border from from 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:20.920 queenan in the Australian Capital 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.480 territory wood heers contribute an 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:27.239 estimated 13 to 25% of fine particulate 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:32.079 matter air pollution 11 to 63 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.639 premature deaths each year are attrib 01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.400 attributable to particulate matter 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:41.440 emitted by wood heaters and the 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:43.679 implications of this Banning new wood 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.880 heaters phasing out existing units in 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.159 urban and sub Suburban areas and 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.239 providing support for a clean domestic 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.800 energy transition can achieve major 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.039 health and environmental benefits in 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.039 Australia now what we are are proposing 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.239 through this policy is is not all of 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.599 that that that was found with the the 01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:06.440 University of Cambra study however their 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.119 conclusion was as follows it's 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:10.920 estimated that the annual nber of 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.400 deaths in the acct attributable to wood 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.719 heater particulates pollution is 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:18.800 similar to that attributed to the 01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:22.119 extreme smoke of the 201920 black smer 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.800 bush fires the nber of wood heaters 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:26.199 should be reduced 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.159 by Banning new installations and they go 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.119 on to say and phasing out existing units 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.320 in urban and Suburban areas which is not 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.760 part of this policy there are a nber 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:36.800 of submissions on the draft policy that 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.400 that that has been out that talked 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.920 about the economic impact of the policy 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:43.280 these argents assed a ban on 01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.599 existing wood heaters which was never 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:48.079 the intent of the policy as councelor 01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:49.679 Willis pointed out in her earlier 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.159 amendment in any case my preliminary 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.599 resource suggests that the cost to run 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.159 even a moderately efficient 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.440 or and compliant wood heater in this 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.199 area is between $11,000 to $1,500 per 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.000 year the average electricity bill in New 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.119 South Wales which includes lighting 01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:08.800 power and heating sits at around 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.119 $345 per quarter or 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:14.119 $380 per year and that information comes 01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.800 from canstar Blue so no significant 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:20.280 difference it would be remiss of this 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.320 Council to ignore studies such as this 01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:24.599 one from just over the Border as a 01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:26.400 person who lives with a partner with 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:28.719 chronic asthma I know that people's 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.119 lives are quite literally at stake over 01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:33.840 this we need to address this issue the 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.280 consequences of not doing so puts 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:38.360 council at the risk of being held liable 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:40.320 for negligence and a failure to act on 01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.320 our duty of care we do need to get 01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:46.079 this done and the this is a pathway 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:49.639 forward for us to to to achieve that 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:51.400 so I commend the motion to my to my 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:53.400 fellow counselor thank you councelor 01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:56.440 Preston councelor Wilson thank you 01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:57.679 coun thank you mayor and thank you 01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:59.960 councelor Preston for bringing forward 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:01.760 your motion it's not an amendment 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:04.599 it's just a motion I just want to 01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:06.719 firstly thank those that did take the 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:08.960 time to to do the community survey the 01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.840 opin survey both for and against 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:14.280 they're providing their time and and I 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.719 do appreciate that some of the 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.320 submissions make points that about 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:22.320 free choice and climate sort of 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.480 denials Etc that that's we got to put 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.400 that aside but there are some good 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:28.400 submissions there but I just want to 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:30.000 say what what is actually being proposed 01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:31.519 and councilor Preston picked up on that 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.639 M and that was actually no solid 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.199 no new solid fuel heaters in urban areas 01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.159 so it's not a phase out and it's not the 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.000 Banning of if like my neighbor Frank I 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:43.199 doubt you've got better things to do 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:44.440 than watch on Council but you know he 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:45.960 got a solid fuel heater loves his warm 01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.239 heating I I quite enjoy going over and 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:49.239 having a red wine and sitting in front 01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:50.599 of the heat we're not Banning Frank from 01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:53.440 having his new heater what we're 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.480 doing is tackling the density so so 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.719 that said there was obviously some 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.119 confusion in the community and I think 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:01.840 the policy does read a little bit 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:04.239 confusingly if you look at 3.1 and 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:07.599 6.1 one talks about new 01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:09.880 applications for development and you'd 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:11.119 sort of read that as if I got an old 01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:13.000 house I can put a heater in and then 6.1 01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.199 says there'll be no new solid fuel 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:16.920 heaters which you might read okay that's 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.199 not allowed then so I do think as 01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:21.039 Council Preston's motion does allow us 01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:23.400 to do is to have a review of the policy 01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.239 the policy that the labor group did 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:27.599 take forward to the to the election and 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:29.119 you know we talked about when we had a 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.639 chance was when people raised this was 01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.119 that we were about trying to maintain 01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:35.960 so not getting lower but sort of the 01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:38.199 same density one in one out so if my 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:39.639 other neighbor wanted to put a heater in 01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:41.119 then someone had to retire an old heater 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:43.360 but this this this motion might give us 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:45.039 time to have a look at that but we do 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:46.960 have to tackle this and just the final 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.239 point a lot of this about health and 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:51.360 about Choice I'm not sure why one 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:52.960 neighbor's air quality gets to be 01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:54.519 impacted by the other neighbors even if 01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:55.960 they're trying to do the wood in best 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.440 case Etc but still takes a lot of smoke 01:06:58.519 --> 01:06:59.719 but we are going to have to Electrify 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:00.960 everything and whether you like it or 01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:02.960 not even if you're a pro- nuclear it's 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:05.000 still going to be an electric future so 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.320 this fa this this policy although 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:10.199 mild compared to the you know the ACT 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:12.199 is just about limiting that particular 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.000 policy move forward thank you thank you 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:15.559 councelor Wilson further discussion 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.000 councelor 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:22.400 MacDonald thanks mayor and again thank 01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.480 you to the many people who who did 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.599 contribute look I'm not going to suggest 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:31.199 that those who made submissions to 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.519 this to this draft proposal don't 01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:35.920 know what they're talking about or they 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.519 can't read or they they're they're not 01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:42.400 very bright I think most people 01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.639 everyone I speak to as a degree of good 01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:47.119 coun MacDonald just a point of order I'm 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:48.440 not sure 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.840 anyone's don't verbal anyone councel no 01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.239 I didn't if that was what you infer that 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:55.920 I was verbing you I was not 01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:58.199 you you literally said some councilors 01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.679 said people weren't bright that no one 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.360 no one that wasn't what was said but was 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:06.599 not what I said you misheard allow me to 01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:09.679 continue I'll clarify thank you I 01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:11.079 personally don't think that people in 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:13.719 our area regardless of what anyone 01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:18.600 else may think aren't capable of 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:22.079 of reading our policies and 01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:23.680 contributing well to them and they and 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:26.199 they did in in in great nbers indeed I 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.399 think somewhere in the order of 80% of 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:34.119 of respondents did it did U raise 01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:37.319 objection to this to this draft 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.800 proposal now when I look at councilor 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.840 Willis's motion which is is lacked 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.520 Council MacDonald we can only debate the 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:48.439 Motions in front of us Council wills's 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.000 motion is not in front of us so to what 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:53.920 we going say there was some merits to to 01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:55.800 suggestions that other councilors made 01:08:55.880 --> 01:09:00.119 in previous debates with respect to 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.079 assistance to phase 01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:07.960 out and I think in in what I see 01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.239 here there's a reasonableness to it too 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:13.760 in that we should have a a a 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.279 Communications plan to communicate our 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.560 our policies and procedures of course 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:22.039 that that should be that should be a a a 01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:25.479 matter of fact and common place in in 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:28.920 every that we do what I don't think 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.279 we ought be doing however is saying we 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.399 and I and I believe that this motion 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.520 does so we heard you we don't 01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.720 particularly agree with you and 01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.359 therefore we're just going to come 01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:46.159 back at you a different way that is 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:49.279 effectively what what this does and I 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.039 I don't mean that in a nasty way but 01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:54.479 that is the effect of this motion and 01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:56.840 so I do think that is disrespectful 01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:58.279 because if we are to have Community 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.920 engagement in these matters it has to 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.319 be under a an agreement that we take on 01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:08.359 board seriously that feedback rather 01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:11.279 than saying thank you and and no thanks 01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:13.560 we had a fatal comp because if that is 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:16.039 indeed the the way that we were to 01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:17.840 proceed then we wouldn't have any kind 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:20.520 of Community feedback or or 01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.800 opportunity for communities to to 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.359 contribute now Council Preston talked 01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.119 about the act and it is worth noting 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:33.199 in the act and I I I I I noted is 01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:36.000 certainly not mentioned and and you 01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:40.520 know to some degree is is explicitly not 01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:42.720 countenance that this is the thin 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:44.920 end of the wedge however I believe 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.439 policy progresses over time in the 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:53.479 ACT 2045 there will be no wood heers 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.560 existing homes new homes any homes 01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:58.640 there will be no Woodfire heers in the 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:01.000 act that is a decision for that 01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:03.239 jurisdiction are they have a unicameral 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:05.520 Parliament they can do what they like 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:07.600 I don't know the results of their 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:09.920 Community feedback but I do know the 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.039 results of our community feedback and 01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:13.800 that is the community that I'm seeking 01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.520 to represent when I say that I'm not 01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:19.000 going to support this 01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.399 motion thank you councelor MacDonald 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:23.880 further discussion councelor 01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.800 Willis I will speak to councelor 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.600 Preston's motion which I'll support 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:34.079 because I cannot countenance doing 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.600 nothing and while it effectively amounts 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:39.640 to a deferral it leaves the matter as 01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:41.640 an active one and doesn't say that we're 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:44.199 giving up because a lot of people who 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:46.239 made a comment didn't agree with us CU 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:48.840 it's a public health matter here the 01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.439 science is clear wood smoke is harmful 01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:53.880 to han health wood heater smoke 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:55.800 contains carbon monoxide oide carbon 01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:58.439 dioxide volatile organic gases and fine 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:00.640 particulate matter known as 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:03.199 pm2.5 all of these are harmful to han 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:06.359 health but pm2.5 is considered to be the 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.199 most hazardous when it is breathed in 01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:11.880 pm2.5 goes deep into the lungs enters 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.760 the blood and travels throughout the 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:15.960 body which can lead to eye throat and 01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:16.880 lung 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.199 inflammation the risks to han health 01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:21.000 from wood smoke include heart and lung 01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:24.800 diseases cancer Strokes dementia asthma 01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:26.439 Di diabetes and high blood pressure 01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.720 during pregnancy low birth weight 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:30.560 changes in cognitive abilities and 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.239 poorer learning outcomes in Children of 01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.000 particular concern are the effects on 01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:37.479 pregnant women unborn children babies 01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:39.399 and young children older people and 01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:42.199 anyone with a chronic medical condition 01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:45.119 this policy is a modest proposal aimed 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:47.319 at keeping people safe by preventing the 01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:49.439 problem of wood smoke in queenan City 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:51.159 bung Andor and Braidwood from getting 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:53.960 worse because there is no safe level of 01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:55.880 pm2.5 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:57.439 I wrote to the New South Wales chief 01:12:57.520 --> 01:12:59.680 medical officer Dr ker chant about this 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:03.359 draft policy because she said 10 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:04.760 years ago that the state government 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.159 should be phasing out wood heaters she 01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:09.800 replied in support of the measure quote 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:11.920 in urban areas and some Regional towns 01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:13.760 smoke from wood heaters can be the major 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.760 source of exposure to particulate air 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.039 pollution and can cause a significant 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.479 Health burden New South Wales Health 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:22.479 supports local policy which aims to 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:24.720 reduce exposure to smoke from wood 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.760 heaters end quote asmer Australia said 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:29.720 in its submission wood heaters are the 01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:31.600 single most important source of han 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:33.960 caused air pollution in many populated 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:37.039 areas throughout Australia air pollution 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:38.680 from this source is linked to hundreds 01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.560 of earlier than expected debts every 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:42.840 year if implemented and enforced the 01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:44.920 measures contained in the draft policy 01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:46.680 would improve air quality and health 01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:50.000 comes outcomes in quean pang's urban 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.960 areas without this is me now without 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:55.039 this policy people will continue to be 01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:57.279 committed to install solid fuel heaters 01:13:57.359 --> 01:13:58.960 in dwellings next to child care 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.159 facilities Early Learning Centers 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:03.359 schools and Age Care accommodation 01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:04.720 affecting some of the groups that are 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:06.319 the most vulnerable to air pollution 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:08.640 from wood heating most of the opposition 01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:10.560 to the policy was based on measures that 01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.439 are not included in the policy no one 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:15.399 who now owns and uses a wood heater 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.600 under this policy that Council approved 01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:19.560 for installation would be affected by 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.479 this policy and I'll give the last word 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:25.159 to submit a 22 for the policy who I 01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:27.439 think neatly smed up the justification 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.279 for why we need to act wood smoke makes 01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:32.640 people ill and shortens their lives it 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:34.439 also destroys the amenity of the 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:36.359 neighborhood therefore I think the 01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.039 policy is a good idea because the right 01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:41.479 for breathing unpolluted air is more 01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:44.560 important than the right to 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.760 burn thank you councelor Willis further 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.359 discussion councilors councelor 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:54.239 scharett yeah thank you just an 01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:56.439 observation before speak against it the 01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:58.239 first item the second item we spoke to 01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.319 tonight regarded Council having input to 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.199 a policy and it was regarded as we've 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:03.680 got enough public input so we don't need 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:05.520 to go back to that policy now we got the 01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:06.880 complete opposite at the moment where we 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:09.279 have public input but we don't like it 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:11.800 but anyway I L speak against this 01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:14.319 the study that councelor Preston 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.079 quoted $345 per quarter gez I would like 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:18.880 to live in that neighborhood I can't 01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:20.199 remember the last time I've seen a bill 01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:22.840 La if I can speak 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.079 please I don't remember ever seeing a 01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:29.239 that small ever And in regards to the 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.640 quote you made where this the effect 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:34.319 is the same as the Woods heater smoke 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:36.880 is the same as effect as the 2019 2020 01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:40.119 black smer bushire smoke boy 5:00 in 01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:41.800 Bangor when it the Braidwood doctor used 01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:43.399 to blow through you couldn't see 100 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:46.000 meters but I tell you what On a Winter's 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.439 Night when you can smell wood smoke you 01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:48.880 can still see more than 100 meters 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:50.920 there's no impact whatsoever in what you 01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:53.800 can see so I I I question both those 01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:55.520 findings in that in that report but if 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:56.600 you could make it available that would 01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:59.479 be fantastic 01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:01.880 look you have a point of order Council 01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:04.279 Preston point of clarification it it 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:06.960 it's it's an attachment to the papers 01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:09.800 thank you please continue councilor 01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:11.840 schalker it's hardly a point of order 01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:13.039 actually point of order is meant to come 01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:14.800 from the code of meeting practice just 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.199 interrupting me is not actually a point 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:17.319 of order 01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:21.880 swet please continue may I thank you you 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:24.079 may Council schocket on the chair of the 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:25.800 meeting mhm you don't disrespect the 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:27.880 chair I said to ask you to continue so 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.000 please 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.399 continue that's what I'm trying to 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:35.640 do right so the United Nations has 01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:37.399 declared wood as a renewable energy 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:40.359 source the han the han the UN Han 01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:42.279 Rights chter actually talks about access 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:44.800 to energy as a han right Amnesty 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:46.159 International is currently following up 01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.239 by saying that is an important 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:51.760 aspect to improving living standards and 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:53.840 alleviating poverty we've had a nber 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:56.600 of responses saying they rely on wood 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:58.119 for their heating because they can't 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:01.279 afford electricity by trying to block 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.439 what they can do even in the future 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:08.439 developments is quite unfair to to 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.920 the residents who want to use wood smoke 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:12.039 and when some of you go back into 01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:13.520 queenan tonight there's a sign on the 01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:15.079 side of the road that says queenan 01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:17.479 country living City benefits country 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:21.079 living is about wood FES heaters and and 01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:22.520 that sort of thing I mean I used to 01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:23.960 belong I belong to an organization where 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:26.239 I used to come to bra every month I 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:27.560 can't anymore because we meet on the 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.079 same night as they do and I'd actually 01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:31.600 meet with some of bra's leading citizens 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.039 I'd have a meal with them and one of the 01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:34.560 beautiful best parts about coming here 01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:35.840 in the winter was opening the car door 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.920 and smelling that wood smoke it actually 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:39.960 to me reminded me of the heritage of the 01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:43.880 place it's a lovely smell but 01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:47.479 I think Banning an outright ban is 01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:49.159 probably not the way to do this there 01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.880 are Regulatory and technological ways 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:54.239 and processed ways to achieve this but a 01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.600 straight band ban is not it so in some 01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:58.119 respects I support the little bit of 01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:00.039 this motion but I think the tent intent 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.159 still here is to ban full stop if it was 01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:06.079 actually to actually allow it but with a 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.079 again with a technology process 01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:10.439 legislative Focus that might be more 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:11.960 acceptable but it's current form I'm 01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:13.720 afraid I 01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:16.560 can't further discussion councilors 01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:18.439 councelor 01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:21.239 Grundy could I ask a question through 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:26.840 you Mr Mr Mayor the word in point two 01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.079 misunderstanding where where is the 01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:35.439 proof that we have our respondents 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:38.399 misunderstanding what was asked them 01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:41.319 of them when the draft policy was on 01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:43.640 public 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.800 exhibition so this is a question for the 01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:48.439 Mover if you'd like him to speak to why 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:50.880 he's use that particular term Council 01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:52.600 Preston you happy to address the 01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:54.159 question I think it's was fairly 01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:56.319 self-evident in a lot of the submissions 01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.359 that came forward on the policy that 01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:00.760 they were addressing issues that their 01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:04.680 policy did not did not include so 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.000 that's that's indicating a a 01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:08.720 misunderstanding 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.279 there thank you Mr Mayor and thank 01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:13.000 you councilor 01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:15.680 Preston 01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:19.640 so carrying on further from that 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:22.359 explanation I would put that the 01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:24.760 respondents did not misunderstand 01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.319 understand at all what was asked of them 01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:29.640 because and I'll quote one of the 01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:31.760 questions that was asked of them and 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:36.359 that is do you support the draft policy 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:40.399 yes or no and the response was 83% 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:42.279 effectively said 01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:43.960 no 01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:50.039 so I'm I'm finding it hard to try and 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.079 understand where this is coming from 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:55.199 where 01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:57.000 where's the evidence of this 01:19:57.079 --> 01:19:59.880 misunderstanding where's the evidence 01:19:59.960 --> 01:20:03.479 also of what was referred to earlier of 01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:05.720 deliberate placement of 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:08.279 misinformation 01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:11.279 there isn't as far as I can see I 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:13.880 went through each and every one of the 01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:18.640 responses and yes they were people 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:22.960 who were often had existing Wood 01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:26.399 heaters but are you saying that for 01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:30.760 us to take respondents 01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:32.279 comments 01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:35.680 clearly or or take them 01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:40.319 seriously that we need what would be 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:43.119 valid respondents to be people who have 01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:46.479 yet to to buy yet to build and yet to 01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:49.560 live in the new urban areas that will be 01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:52.600 under the influence of this ban of 01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:54.640 course we're going to have people who 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.560 are not in those areas making comment 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.760 because there's no one there yet I 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:03.039 think they're valid comments to make of 01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:04.720 people who 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:07.359 experience wood heating as their 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:09.960 heating Source we've asked the 01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:12.920 community to make com comment and they 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.800 have it's very arrogant of this Council 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:21.319 to say we know best and to disregard 83% 01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:22.399 of 01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:25.439 respondents and as far as health 01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:29.600 risks as has been linked to 01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:32.600 wood smoke we do have a stick at the 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:34.560 moment and that is the protection of 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.479 environment operations act 97 that 01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:39.720 already offers Provisions to address 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:45.279 problem smoke now I'll I'll just 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.199 offer you a couple of extracts from 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:49.279 those that 01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:52.920 responded and in my mind there's no 01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:55.479 misunderstanding about what residents 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.000 think about this draft policy and I 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:02.760 quote the draft policy reads like a 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:05.239 solution in search of a 01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:07.680 problem ridiculous 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:11.239 policy what are you thinking why are you 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.479 taking more choices away from us stop 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.600 making our lives a misery cherry-picking 01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:20.520 environmental and health re reasoning 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:21.520 for a 01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.920 nonissue posturing by an inept virtual 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:30.159 virtual signaling Council I'm a little 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:34.359 I'm a little tired of how intrusive 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:35.680 councils are 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.159 becoming these are the sorts of comments 01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:40.479 that I'm not making up they were offered 01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:43.600 by those who elected us to represent 01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:48.880 them so I ask this Council not to to 01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.399 make this decision based on their own 01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:55.239 private ideologies to put those aside 01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:58.720 and to listen to the majority which is a 01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:01.760 clear majority and and the responses I 01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.640 would I would think were significant 01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:06.520 nbers compared to what we normally get 01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:09.840 on such matters listen to the community 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:12.680 they they've made a very clear 01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.840 statement that they do not want this 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:19.960 policy impinging on their rights to have 01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:23.680 a choice of heating in the future if 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:24.880 they want to build 01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:27.159 in those 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:31.399 areas Is there further discussion 01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:34.640 councilors question Council Willis yes 01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:36.479 thank you have a question M may be able 01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:39.439 to assist with so there was a comment in 01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:41.680 councelor Grundy's presentation one of 01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:44.279 one of the submitters comments that 01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:46.399 she highlighted that said this is a 01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:49.239 solution in search of a problem and 01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:51.159 I'm just wondering when councils were 01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:53.159 briefed on this some time ago we were 01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:55.560 told that that this problem is is 01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:57.960 growing and it's in new areas it's 01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:01.239 not only in older areas of certainly 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:03.279 queenan I'm just wondering if she 01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:06.079 could tell us the nber of wood 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:09.880 heaters that have been installed in 01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.119 googong for example which was identified 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:16.000 as one of the the problem areas where 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:17.600 from which more and more complaints are 01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.159 being 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:23.840 received question for councelor Grandy 01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:27.119 or for no for M because she administers 01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.840 the section 68 requests okay m Are you 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:33.000 able to take that 01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:35.560 question through Mr Mayor I can clarify 01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:39.199 a few nbers for Council in relation 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.359 to goong 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:46.399 Alone there's been 01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:49.920 124 Standalone solid fuel 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:55.159 heaters that have their LG approvals 01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:59.199 which has been since between 2004 and 01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:02.279 2024 so that was a 20-year period that 01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:05.560 the the computer the computer showed us 01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:08.640 with respect to the report and a 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:11.880 further 13 that were in alongside or 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:14.199 included in an application so that would 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.239 be 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:22.359 137 and yep I'll just leave it at 01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.199 that thank you and can you confirm 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:27.479 that the what staff were told in one 01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.000 of the workshops and that is that 01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:31.840 councilor coun we us make sure you're 01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:33.359 not answering your own question no I'm 01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:35.359 not answering my own question I'm asking 01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:40.000 Miss if she could provide the 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:42.640 meeting with the with the 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:45.279 information that was shared with us that 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:46.760 confirming that there are more and more 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:48.960 complaints each year I'm trying to 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:52.199 provide the evidence to refute the claim 01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:54.279 that this is not a problem okay so 01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:56.680 question is how many complaints have 01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.000 been raised regarding wood smoke in the 01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:00.600 council area in the 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:03.720 last M may not have that information to 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.600 hand my point is no not you're not 01:26:06.680 --> 01:26:08.319 making a point you're asking a question 01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:11.920 my question is have the have the nber 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:15.239 of complaints about wood smoke increased 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:17.159 in recent years in other words have they 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.199 gone up every year yeah Mr through Mr 01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:23.000 Mayor yes they have gone up every 01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:26.239 year so through the protection of 01:26:26.319 --> 01:26:28.600 the environment operations act 01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:30.359 Council can act on complaints in 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:33.000 relation to wood smoke fire you know 01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:38.880 nuisance 2022 we had 22 complaints 23 we 01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:43.279 had 31 complaints in 24 we had 39 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:45.600 complaints we can take a very 01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:49.760 proactive approach through issuing 01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:51.520 infringements because Council as you'll 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:53.800 recall you have adopted the enforcement 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:55.880 policy we have not been doing that to 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:59.239 date we were hoping to have a 01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:01.680 proactive way forward with the 01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:05.439 community through this policy but you 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:07.880 know coming into the winter we will have 01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:09.319 to start 01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:11.680 enforcing okay you finish with your 01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.039 questions councelor Willis councelor 01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:14.960 Wilson coun thanks mayor I was 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:16.439 wondering it's obviously with you as 01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:17.520 chair of this meeting but we've had 01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:19.960 three speakers for I believe maybe and 01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:22.680 three against can we put the 01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:26.319 motion up to you of course before you 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:27.680 before you do that up before Shadow a 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:28.680 cont 01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:30.880 motion Council Wilson you're moving a 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:32.840 procedural motion that the motion be put 01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:34.359 I just want to make sure we have had at 01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:36.640 least two for and two against which I 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:38.680 believe we have so councils the the 01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.600 motion is that the motion now be 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:44.359 put I don't need a second for that so 01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:45.760 basically if it 01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:49.119 is supported then the motion needs to 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.359 be put the Mover the original motion 01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:54.399 does have right of General reply but 01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:56.920 there is no further debate so council's 01:27:57.000 --> 01:27:58.760 the motion is that the motion now be put 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:00.319 all those in 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.800 favor Council Preston councel Waterhouse 01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:05.840 councelor Willis councel Wilson councel 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:07.760 Winchester Council Livermore and councel 01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:11.039 Taskovski and against counc Broadbent 01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:13.800 councelor Grundy councel MacDonald 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:15.920 councelor scharett I declare it carried 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:18.239 so the original move of the motion 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:20.760 councelor Grundy not councelor Grundy 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:23.399 councelor Preston would you like a right 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:25.279 of General reply before we put the 01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:27.880 motion I thank you mayor I would just 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:31.840 like toh say a couple of things 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:34.600 the the first thing is that this the 01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:38.000 the motion that I put forward far 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.079 from removing 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:42.640 consultation and ignoring 01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:45.039 consultation actually gives further 01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:47.720 opportunity for consultation but it 01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:50.079 gives the opportunity for 01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:54.079 consultation on issues that are 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:57.079 are addressed within the policy I do 01:28:57.159 --> 01:29:00.359 note that there was a there was a a 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.279 strong 01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:07.319 result against this policy but 01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:10.199 I do feel that that was partly due to 01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:12.760 the to the lack of precision that 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:14.680 that existed in the policy in the first 01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:18.439 place a couple of other quick points 01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:22.800 if I may some of the the the 01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:27.439 concerns that were raised the 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:32.399 you han rights being 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.720 security of of energy source being a 01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:38.239 han right yes that's true health is 01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:41.560 also a han right 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:46.159 there there is no indication in 01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.960 the the motion that I've put forward 01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:50.560 here that there was deliberate placement 01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:53.439 of misinformation I did make the the 01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:56.479 comment in my opening speech that I I 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:59.520 felt that there was willful 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:02.279 placement of of incorrect information in 01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:05.520 the public domain around this around 01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:07.840 this policy proposal and I don't 01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:14.840 resile from that I'm not the 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.840 the idea that that we are impinging 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:21.399 on the rights of of someone to have a 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:26.199 wood Woodfire heater I would P posit 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:29.520 the the the Contra to that is are we 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:31.199 impinging on the rights of people to 01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:34.079 breathe clean and safe air there is 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:36.600 nothing in this policy already that 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:38.520 talks about banning wood heaters there 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:40.359 is nothing in this policy that talks 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.680 about the this going forward and 01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:45.920 being the thin edge of the wedge and 01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:47.800 that is just a logical fallacy that's 01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:49.479 that's been raised on this so that 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.279 that's as much as I want to say on this 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:55.199 and I yeah put like to put the motion 01:30:55.279 --> 01:31:00.199 okay point of order 10.25 C requires 01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:05.159 a seconder for the motion to be 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:12.600 put councils I'll just consult the code 01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:15.199 of meeting 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:17.720 practice 01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:21.159 10.25 so this is in relation 01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:23.319 to the limitation on the nber and 01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:27.159 duration of of speeches so 10.25 reads 01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:29.840 despite Clauses 10.20 and 21 a councelor 01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:32.000 may move a motion or an amendment be now 01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:35.159 put as councelor Wilson did if at least 01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:36.960 two councilors have spoken in favor of 01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:38.760 the motion or Amendment and at least two 01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:40.560 councilors have spoken against it which 01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:42.399 we've had and a second of supports the 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:44.840 motion or an amendment be now put okay 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:46.239 so I was incorrect so I should have 01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:48.159 called for a second or when councelor 01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:49.760 Wilson moved his motion that the motion 01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:51.640 be put I'm certain that I would have 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.640 been able to receive one 01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:00.079 motion okay so the general managers 01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:03.239 point out section 10.26 the chairperson 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:05.479 must immediately put to the vote without 01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:08.560 debate a motion moved under Clause 10.25 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:10.720 a second is not required for such a 01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.720 motion so 01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:16.720 it's it sounds sounds like we may 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:18.279 need a review of the code of meeting 01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.239 practice I'm certain that if I had 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:21.600 called for a second we would have 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:25.079 received one so we will proceed counsel 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.000 so I will now put the motion councilors 01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:29.880 all those in favor councelor Livermore 01:32:29.960 --> 01:32:31.880 councel Preston councel Waterhouse 01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:33.479 councelor Willis councel Wilson 01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:35.119 councelor Winchester councelor Taskovski 01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:37.239 and against councelor Broadbent 01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:38.680 councelor Grundy councelor MacDonald 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:41.880 councelor scharett I declare it carried 01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:44.079 thank you councilors the next item is 01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:48.039 9.6 Road naming proposed names SS Road 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.199 and R to close do we have a mve 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:52.279 counselors councelor Grundy and a 01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:55.560 secondar councelor Broadband is there a 01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:57.079 discussion on this item 01:32:57.159 --> 01:32:59.119 councilors if there's no discussion we 01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:01.520 can put the motion all those in favor 01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:04.039 that is unanimous and carried the next 01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:06.239 item we've dealt with 9.7 so the next 01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:09.159 one is 9.8 which is feedback on naming 01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:11.479 of council chambers councilors I've 01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.920 circulated a motion that I'm going to be 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:17.880 putting in relation to this item which 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.439 is that Council proceed with naming the 01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:22.039 council chambers located within the 01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:24.279 Nelly Hamilton Center the WB free body 01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:26.279 Chambers and I will ask for a second 01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:28.520 councelor Wilson so just speaking to 01:33:28.600 --> 01:33:29.760 this item 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:31.680 councilors just a a quick REM 01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:33.680 reminder about who WB freebody was 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:35.520 William bur freebody was an alderman on 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:37.479 the queenan city council continuously 01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:40.000 from 1917 to 01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:43.239 1956 and served as mayor for three terms 01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:45.920 between 1926 and 01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:49.239 1951 so we put this out for this 01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:51.600 suggestion out for feedback there were 01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:55.000 55 submissions 40% % of those were in 01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:58.600 favor examples of them being it looks 01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:00.600 like he was an achiever freebody was a 01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:02.239 tireless worker for the town a 01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:03.840 significant early contributor to the 01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:06.720 community fantastic choice of name our 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:08.720 heritage really important and defines us 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:11.000 Quan is steeped in history and he was 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.199 here before camra I think the WB 01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.039 freebody contributed greatly in serving 01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:17.720 us as an elected member for many years 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:19.439 he should be honored and recognized and 01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:20.960 I would love to see this new Council 01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:24.319 chamber named after him William freebody 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:25.800 was a highly respected counselor and 01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:28.199 mayor of quean for over 40 years and has 01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:29.760 earned the recognition of reminding 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.079 those elected to counsel the quality of 01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:34.439 repes representation that they should 01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:37.680 aspire to some of the reasons we 01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:40.000 received against naming after WB free 01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:42.359 body were that the name is not widely 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.000 known or recognizable which in my 01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:47.079 opinion is actually even more reason to 01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:50.079 name the chamber in his honor suggested 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:51.840 that counselor freebody was only a 01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:53.279 counselor to progress his own business 01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:55.359 need 01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:57.039 several people would have preferred that 01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:58.520 a list be put forward which is 01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:01.960 potentially a way forward for us six 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:04.359 people requested that the name be after 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:07.119 an indigenous Elder my reply to that is 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:08.720 that we have already named the Nelly 01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.239 Hamilton Center Annie Louise Garden the 01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:13.920 Jara Gardens and I'm forgetting one 01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.279 as well when in so Council has made a 01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:17.880 conscious decision to recognize our 01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:20.159 indigenous Elders with naming of these 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:23.840 items with our new building 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:25.000 suggestions that it should be named 01:35:25.079 --> 01:35:27.159 after Frank pangallo Council Council 01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:28.920 recently resolved to name the Heritage 01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:31.039 Library next door after councelor 01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:33.119 pangallo a name should be about the 01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:35.520 future and not the past I don't know how 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:37.960 to address that one a couple of people 01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:39.159 saying that it should be someone from 01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:41.119 the region and not just quean and that 01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:44.279 may be fair enough but I do know that 01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:45.920 if we name something in Bangor or 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:48.159 brawood after someone in quean and not 01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:50.319 the other way around how that would go 01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:54.359 down that not there were several 01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:55.840 comments that were not related to the 01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:57.880 naming at all and should not have been 01:35:57.960 --> 01:35:59.920 considered a negative response and there 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:01.399 were four people who raised the fact 01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:03.800 that free body overall was already named 01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:06.920 after WB free body so councilors when 01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.199 you take out many of these replies some 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:10.800 that I think we've already addressed the 01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:14.239 majority are in support of the naming 01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:17.399 after WB free body and that is why I've 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.479 move the motion here today councelor 01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:22.960 Wilson thank you may that was a 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:24.960 excellent reasoning of why I'm happy to 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:27.399 support your motion that's on the 01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:30.560 table I've always since being it's 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:32.159 a very short time on this Council but 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:33.760 I've always tried to have that full 01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:35.960 history that full story and I think 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:38.000 we did that proudly as a council when 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:40.079 we named our actual building the ne 01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:42.600 Nelly Hamilton Center there more to do 01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:46.159 on that with place names Etc but also 01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:48.239 it is important to look back at our 01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:51.239 longstanding Council Council of History 01:36:51.319 --> 01:36:52.680 Council free body there there's a 01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:56.159 there's a bust or of councelor freebody 01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:58.279 in the chambers I think it sort of 01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:01.119 works a very quick note on submissions 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:02.640 they are make a very important 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:05.880 contribution to decisions we take but 01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:07.880 they are not everything I know there 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:09.840 are councilors for example that voted 01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:11.119 against the rate rise despite the 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:13.640 majority being one way or like we 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.119 just discussed in the wood heater thing 01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:17.680 policy so they definitely in firm 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:19.520 inform sorry but in the end of the 01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:21.479 day we are the democratically elected 01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:23.079 people to make the decision on the on 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:25.239 the on balance so happy to support this 01:37:25.319 --> 01:37:27.600 one thank you thank you councelor Wilson 01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:30.720 further discussion councilors councelor 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:34.079 Grundy thank you Mr Mayor look I'm 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:36.159 interested in picking up the point that 01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:41.520 we are a an Amalgamated Council and 01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:43.520 we are an amalgamation of two former 01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:46.800 councils Pang and queenan city 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:49.319 there's no doubt that Mr free body's 01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:53.880 contribution to Queen bian 01:37:53.960 --> 01:37:57.079 is outstanding extraordinary there's 01:37:57.159 --> 01:38:00.600 no question about that but my concern 01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:02.119 is that 01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:06.000 are we sending a message that by 01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:09.560 naming the actual place in which we make 01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:12.720 decisions on behalf of both former 01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:15.960 councils and we are now a new you a 01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:19.960 United queenan palerang Council what 01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:23.439 what message does that send those in 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:28.479 in Pang former Council I'm I'm of 01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:33.239 the opinion that it it would be more 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:36.399 favorable for to send a message of 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:39.840 inclusion and unity for our newly 01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:42.960 Amalgamated Council relatively newly 01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:46.079 Amalgamated to just leave the chamber 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:48.600 unnamed and I say that without 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.000 wanting to take anything away from Mr 01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:54.119 freebody body's contributions 01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:56.319 so I'll leave it at that thank you 01:38:56.399 --> 01:38:57.920 councelor Grandy Is there further 01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:00.159 discussion councilors councelor 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:03.039 Willis thank you mayor it was 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:04.920 interesting to listen to your analysis 01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:06.159 of the submissions and when you're 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:08.720 presented like that I'm I'm happy to 01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:11.359 support your motion and I just make 01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:13.079 the point we're making decisions here 01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:15.119 tonight in Braidwood and we'll be back 01:39:15.199 --> 01:39:17.439 three more times next year and we'll be 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:19.600 going to bung Andor as well so we're 01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:21.680 we're not making decisions exclusively 01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:24.119 in queenan 01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:25.640 thank you councelor Willis Is there 01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:28.079 further discussion councilors just a 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:29.560 couple of quick points for me to finish 01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:32.399 off then there was obvious confusion 01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:34.079 among some of the respondents between 01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:36.239 the chamber and the council building 01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:38.920 itself which often happens and just in 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.079 relation to councelor Grandy's comments 01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:42.960 I I actually agree we are a merged 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:45.479 Council there are will be opportunities 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:48.560 for the new Council building in Bangor 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:50.199 and the Chamber there to be potentially 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:52.720 named after significant people from the 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:53.920 palarang 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:56.800 Community as well as at the regional 01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:59.880 sports complex at bung Andor so that may 01:39:59.960 --> 01:40:01.520 be an opportunity for us to recognize 01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:04.399 those that have contributed to the 01:40:04.479 --> 01:40:07.920 extent that WB free body contributed 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:10.319 in within Quan itself so on that 01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:11.840 councils I'll put the motion all those 01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:14.279 in 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:17.119 favor that's unanimous and carried thank 01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:17.960 you 01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:20.560 counselors how are we going for time oh 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:23.239 2 more minutes okay the next item 01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:26.319 councilors is 9.9 which is the renewal 01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:27.920 of license agreement with St John 01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:30.640 Ambulance Australia New South Wales 20 01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:33.359 to 22 Kendall Avenue Crestwood do we 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:35.119 have a move councelor Wilson seconded 01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:37.159 councelor Preston is there discussion 01:40:37.239 --> 01:40:38.880 councilors councelor Wilson thank you 01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:41.359 mayor briefly a good organization that's 01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:43.399 an understatement and it's important 01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:44.800 that Council plays a role in building a 01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:47.079 better community and this fits in 01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:49.640 that category obviously but I think 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:51.720 it is good that we do a 2-year term and 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:53.800 then look after look look at you 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:55.479 reconsider things after that so I think 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:57.520 it's a good balance thank you thank you 01:40:57.600 --> 01:40:59.279 is there further discussion 01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:00.960 councilors all right we'll put that 01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:03.760 motion all those in favor unanimous and 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:06.800 carried item 911 is the appointment of 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:12.079 the GM performance 19 my apologies 910 01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:14.800 appointment of advisory committee 01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:17.199 delegates okay do we have a move I'm 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:18.279 just going to bring up the motion in 01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:20.640 front of me councilors give me a second 01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:21.880 okay do we have a mve for the 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:23.760 recommendation 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:26.960 MacDonald mayor I 01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.880 sorry there has been some discussion 01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:35.399 back and forth with among colleagues 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:40.319 and you run out 01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:43.439 there ran out of 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:46.119 battery back again all can't stop me 01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:48.399 good okay so just just make sure Council 01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:50.199 if do you actually have something to 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:53.880 move I do I do I just don't want to 01:41:53.960 --> 01:41:56.840 the the substantive or or the motion 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:00.680 before us in moving so I'm just 01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:02.920 cautious and would seek advice I'm 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:05.479 looking at sort of colleagues as to 01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:07.319 whether it might be amenable that I I 01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:09.319 present in the first instance the 01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:11.279 motion which and someone perhaps I think 01:42:11.359 --> 01:42:12.800 you should move the motion you would 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:15.399 want to move which clearly sets out the 01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:16.760 Committees that we should be having 01:42:16.840 --> 01:42:18.720 delegates for and the ones we should be 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:19.920 establishing 01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.159 dissolving whatever and if council is 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:23.239 unhappy with that they'll have an 01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:25.439 opportunity to make changes so mayor I 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:28.279 I I move the motion which I 01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:30.479 have provided to the minute secretary 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:32.039 okay and I'll just get you to read that 01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:34.119 out for those playing at 01:42:34.199 --> 01:42:36.800 home if I didn't run out of microphone 01:42:36.880 --> 01:42:41.119 before I will now that Council one 01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:43.840 Nom Nom I won't add this to your five 01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:46.920 minutes the council U one nominate 01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:48.239 councilors for each of the advisory 01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:49.600 committees that require Council of 01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:51.720 delegates sustainability and climate 01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:53.439 change advisory committee her itage 01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:55.199 advisory committee access committee Arts 01:42:55.279 --> 01:42:56.800 and Cultural development advisory 01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.640 committee sporting Gallery advisory 01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:00.479 committee Sports Council youth advisory 01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:02.439 committee Quan showr advisory committee 01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:04.960 briwood flood plan risk management 01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:07.239 committee bung Andor flood plan risk 01:43:07.319 --> 01:43:09.479 management committee and the Quan flood 01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:12.319 plan risk management committee nber 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:13.960 two tosolve the following advisory 01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:15.800 committees in their current formats the 01:43:15.880 --> 01:43:18.159 sister city committee and the First 01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:20.279 Nations consultative committee three 01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:22.399 defer consideration of the establishment 01:43:22.479 --> 01:43:23.640 of the business ad advisory committee 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:25.119 until a report is presented the council 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:28.600 in early 2025 for undertake an 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:30.079 expression of interest to facilitate 01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:31.720 membership of each advisory committee to 01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:33.720 be reported back to council five 01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:35.319 following consultation with the First 01:43:35.399 --> 01:43:38.159 Nations Community LC's and traditional 01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:40.760 owners receive a report on the proposed 01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:42.840 terms of reference for a qprc First 01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:45.399 Nations Network and six develop terms of 01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:47.239 reference for the bungad door town and 01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:50.760 environment committee and the seniors 01:43:50.840 --> 01:43:52.479 advisory committee with delegates to be 01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:55.800 appointed at a future meeting of 01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:57.960 council okay just going to check before 01:43:58.039 --> 01:43:59.520 call saying that we're happy with that 01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:02.720 mron and so we won't we won't appoint 01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:04.920 delegates if we do indeed support this 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:06.319 motion we won't appoint delegates to 01:44:06.399 --> 01:44:08.359 bungad Door Town Center envir or the 01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:10.840 seniors to later look that that's the 01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:13.479 intent mayor and based off based off 01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.439 discussions with staff they would 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:17.760 seek to develop a terms of reference for 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:20.039 both and then return to council I 01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:23.439 would hope at a very soon or near 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:25.680 juncture and at which point we can do 01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:27.560 that okay and we're happy with that 01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:30.439 motion general manager through Mr Mayor 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.439 we'll work with what council decides 01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:35.000 okay do we have a second Council Wilson 01:44:35.079 --> 01:44:36.840 thank you Council MacDonald thank you 01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:40.000 for the forbearance in that in that 01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:46.079 long Preamble the the emotion 01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:49.000 differs from which was presented in 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:52.199 two substantive ways and one which 01:44:52.279 --> 01:44:55.319 the the original motion had 01:44:55.399 --> 01:44:58.920 countenanced removing the btec now in in 01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:02.119 in speaking with members of o of 01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:04.680 the bung Andor Community there was a 01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:07.600 clear disappointment in in that 01:45:07.680 --> 01:45:13.199 proposal bch is a a committee 01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:16.199 which I think has provided good 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:20.960 valuable free input to council 01:45:21.039 --> 01:45:23.960 it is the membership has has has 01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:26.319 assisted me in in 01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:28.520 deliberations through their through 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:30.920 their reports back to council and as 01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:33.840 individuals who I know are committed to 01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:37.359 to bador and I I I I would expect 01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:40.319 that many if not all counselors 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:43.000 have have taken away at least from the 01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:45.760 those previous serving councilors 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:48.520 have taken away something that of value 01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:52.279 from from bch their utility their 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:54.960 usefulness is certainly not expired I 01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:56.399 think it's I think it's just growing 01:45:56.479 --> 01:45:59.279 and as bung Andor continues to grow 01:45:59.359 --> 01:46:01.600 and face a range of different difficult 01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:03.399 challenges including the actual growth 01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:06.600 of the town and our water supply a 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:09.359 range along with a range of other issues 01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:11.119 having that expert advice on the 01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:13.880 ground is important the next committee 01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:17.800 which I I I might particularly note 01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:19.439 of is the 01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:23.000 quean palarang seniors advisory 01:46:23.079 --> 01:46:25.359 committee it should come as no surprise 01:46:25.439 --> 01:46:28.039 to anyone that the seniors in our 01:46:28.119 --> 01:46:31.000 region contribute greatly the they 01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:33.840 represent a pinch over a quarter of the 01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:35.920 population here in Braidwood it's 01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:41.399 it's a lot higher what what we 01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:45.119 establish in in addition to ticking the 01:46:45.199 --> 01:46:47.840 box as prescribed by the local 01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:51.079 government architecture of New 01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:54.520 South Wales which rec amends this as a 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:57.520 as a means in which to involve senior 01:46:57.600 --> 01:47:00.880 Australians we do two things we get 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.800 genuine valuable input and I'm 01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:06.279 speaking colleagues would have received 01:47:06.359 --> 01:47:09.640 submissions from the bungad and the 01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:12.880 the queenan seniors associations and I'm 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:15.399 thinking of one particular point where 01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:19.640 the president of the of the of the 01:47:19.720 --> 01:47:24.520 quean seniors raised with Council 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:26.880 issues about a plan to put cobblestones 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:28.159 in a particular 01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:32.319 Lane it meant that access would be 01:47:32.399 --> 01:47:35.359 more difficult for those seniors 01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:38.239 consequently the cobblestones were 01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:41.159 not laid in that in that lane and 01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:43.640 Brenda thank you for for raising that 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:45.520 did it in the absence of a committee but 01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:47.199 notes there's a range of different 01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.279 things happening in our operations in 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:52.800 the planning in the development of our 01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:55.720 Community which would benefit an 01:47:55.800 --> 01:48:00.880 early input from a a a from 01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:05.960 Seniors as to their requests needs 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:08.640 for how to operate in our in our 01:48:08.720 --> 01:48:11.880 community and the last part and I 01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:14.600 don't think it's insignificant it's it's 01:48:14.680 --> 01:48:17.439 about demonstrating to everyone in our 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.439 community that you do have a voice you 01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:21.600 are important particularly those who 01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:23.399 have lived in our Community for many 01:48:23.479 --> 01:48:27.800 many years we respect and and and 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:31.840 request your input to how we best do our 01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:35.520 job that is the the they are the two 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:38.600 principal amendments from the 01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:42.640 original and I would I would 01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:46.680 recommend them to to colleagues for 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:49.479 discussion thank you councelor MacDonald 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:53.039 the second was councelor Wilson yep 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:54.960 thank you mayor and thank you 01:48:55.039 --> 01:48:57.800 councilor MacDonald firstly on the 01:48:57.880 --> 01:48:59.840 bondor town center and environs 01:48:59.920 --> 01:49:01.600 committee thank you for you taking 01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:03.039 that forward we've had I've had 01:49:03.119 --> 01:49:05.159 communication with members as well and I 01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:08.840 think they do do good work and in 01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:11.119 fact there's a bit of a an argent 01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:13.439 put which I sort of get that you know 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:14.960 they're the only one that's available 01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:17.199 and other towns don't have them at 01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:18.399 the same time you could take the flip 01:49:18.479 --> 01:49:19.880 side and say well if they work really 01:49:19.960 --> 01:49:20.920 well maybe we should set one up in 01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:22.760 Braidwood so you know I think I I think 01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:25.399 it's a good decision not to wind it up 01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:27.000 and the me members will be happy to hear 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:28.720 this motion that's on the table 01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:30.760 hasn't been passed yet but hopefully it 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:33.039 will S I just want to make a quick 01:49:33.119 --> 01:49:34.720 comment around the two that we are 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:36.800 disbanding sister city committee 01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:38.239 obviously we haven't had a sister city 01:49:38.319 --> 01:49:40.880 erasion for quite a while and given 01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:42.399 our financial pressures we're probably 01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:43.680 not going to be going away for a while 01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:45.840 but obviously soft diplomacy does matter 01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:47.760 between local governments and I think 01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:49.079 obviously down the track we can reform 01:49:49.159 --> 01:49:51.800 that if it ever comes to be fruition 01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:54.359 I don't take l the decision to to wind 01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:55.960 up the First Nations consultative 01:49:56.039 --> 01:49:56.880 committee and I think that 01:49:56.960 --> 01:49:59.239 recommendation that we establish a 01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:02.119 network once we consult with 01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:05.159 Aboriginal people and local land 01:50:05.239 --> 01:50:07.680 councils but I think it might work 01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:10.000 better because from my journey I'm no 01:50:10.079 --> 01:50:12.000 expert here but on the reconciliation 01:50:12.079 --> 01:50:13.199 Journey it's important to talk to 01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:15.560 Aboriginal people the traditional 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:16.960 owners on their country for their 01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:18.800 country so I think a network would work 01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:21.520 better across our Qui qprc rather than 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:24.079 one homogenous group working there 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:26.000 so I don't that lightly but I think it's 01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:27.520 a step in the right direction if we get 01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:28.720 the feedback it's the opposite we can 01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:29.840 revisit it I just want to make that 01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:31.920 clear too so thank you may Thank You 01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:33.560 councelor Is there further discussion 01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:35.920 councelor Preston I actually just had a 01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:38.039 question with regard to the last 01:50:38.119 --> 01:50:41.720 Point the terms of reference to 01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:43.560 the buang Andor town and environment 01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:45.399 committee I understand we actually do 01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:48.319 have those already is that correct 01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:50.640 general manager through Mr may they 01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:53.680 need to be updated 01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:56.800 okay perhaps then update the terms of 01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:58.720 reference to The Bu report and develop 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:00.760 just go the spirit I think staff get the 01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:03.279 intent of council MacDonald's motion 01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:05.239 further discussion Council 01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:07.840 Willis thank you yeah I had a couple 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:10.199 of comments in some questions I agree 01:51:10.279 --> 01:51:12.399 with councelor Wilson having 01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:15.079 co-chaired the First Nations advisory 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:17.560 committee during the last term of 01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.199 council it wasn't working and there 01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:22.239 were practical reasons for that just 01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:24.159 getting people together at a time that 01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:27.079 suits administrators Council staff 01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:30.319 and counselors didn't suit the people 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:33.079 we were actually wanting to hear from 01:51:33.159 --> 01:51:38.159 and talk to can I ask is there a 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:40.880 Braidwood a bung Andor Chamber of 01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.920 Commerce or like group that represents 01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:46.800 the town the town's 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:48.760 businesses are you happy to tell the 01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:50.920 question general manager through a 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:52.279 Braidwood Chamber of Commerce yes there 01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:53.960 is 01:51:54.039 --> 01:51:55.239 yes there 01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:58.840 is and does council con consult with 01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:01.399 the Braidwood Chamber of Commerce I'm TR 01:52:01.479 --> 01:52:03.079 I mean I've read I read the minutes when 01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:04.560 they come from the bondor town 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:05.840 environment committee and I can see 01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:10.159 they're involved with projects that 01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:13.039 Council has a role in or can 01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:16.159 assist with but I'm just wonder just to 01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:18.279 be clear you've said Braidwood again beg 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:20.720 your pardon I mean Braidwood 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:23.439 yeah no I'm I'm talking about buang 01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:27.479 Andor and so I am just wondering to 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:30.800 what extent the council staff and 01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:33.880 Council laws are actually required for 01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:35.359 the bung Andor town and environment 01:52:35.439 --> 01:52:37.720 committee to do most of its work aside 01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:41.119 from when there are matters that need to 01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:44.159 involve the council so that's a 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:46.000 that's a I don't expect that to be 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:47.760 answered I'm just saying that is a 01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:50.199 something I'm thinking about in 01:52:50.279 --> 01:52:53.159 trying to decide whether support this 01:52:53.239 --> 01:52:56.159 proposal and to some extent I have a 01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:58.119 similar issue with the seniors advisory 01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:01.000 committee there's no doubt making 01:53:01.079 --> 01:53:03.359 sure we represent the needs and 01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:05.039 interests of seniors is very important 01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:08.000 I'm not dismissing that but listening 01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:10.239 to councelor MacDonald I thought are we 01:53:10.319 --> 01:53:12.000 actually going to consult the SE a 01:53:12.079 --> 01:53:14.239 senior advisory committee representing 01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:17.760 the whole local government area about 01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:20.479 the the laneway treatment in queenan or 01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:23.760 the laneway treatment anywhere I'm 01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:27.039 what I'm doing doing is teasing out the 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:29.399 practicalities of running an advisory 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:31.000 committee because it needs a Secretariat 01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:33.199 it needs agenda papers it needs people 01:53:33.279 --> 01:53:36.039 to read them it needs we're talking 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:38.199 about individuals or group 01:53:38.279 --> 01:53:41.319 Representatives making a a 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.479 commitment for it's usually a 01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:45.960 two-year term to turn up and obviously 01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:48.039 people have to miss meetings as some of 01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:50.760 us do from time to time but it's a big 01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:54.680 load on a handful of people and in my 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:57.199 experience the people who are already 01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.680 that that come to these things and offer 01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:02.159 to be involved are often already doing 01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:04.880 three or four other things for 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:08.119 their community so I I know that we have 01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:10.600 had challenges in with the council 01:54:10.680 --> 01:54:13.279 being able to adequately resource all of 01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:15.520 our advisory committees and section 355 01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:18.840 committees I understand we have 01:54:18.920 --> 01:54:21.359 improved that resourcing but all of 01:54:21.439 --> 01:54:24.479 these all of these committees they 01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:27.399 require work and they require staff 01:54:27.479 --> 01:54:29.760 with the time to do it and I'm just 01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:31.560 wondering whether a committee and this 01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:33.880 is what I said when councelor U MacDonald 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:37.680 first foreshadowed the the seniors 01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:40.319 advisory committee last year I think 01:54:40.399 --> 01:54:43.119 it was is this the best way the most 01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:45.800 productive and effective way for us to 01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:48.920 hear from and speak with seniors 01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:50.760 about because they have a broad range of 01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:53.520 interests you know we don't have a 01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:56.319 multicultural reference group there 01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:58.560 are lots of groups that have particular 01:54:58.640 --> 01:55:01.439 interests narrow or broad that we don't 01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:04.680 have an advisory committee on largely I 01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:06.439 think we have advisory committees to 01:55:06.520 --> 01:55:08.520 support work that council's required to 01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:10.479 do all through its Community strategic 01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:14.840 plan has chosen to to be priority work 01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:18.159 part of the the work program so I'm not 01:55:18.239 --> 01:55:20.640 sure at this stage well I'm not 01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:23.000 really sure how to vote perhaps if 01:55:23.079 --> 01:55:25.640 staff are given the opportunity to 01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:28.359 provide some feedback on that I mean 01:55:28.439 --> 01:55:30.560 what would terms of reference look like 01:55:30.640 --> 01:55:33.239 what would we be asking what would be 01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:35.159 expecting of people you know we have to 01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:38.039 advertise for people to nominate what 01:55:38.119 --> 01:55:39.880 what would we be telling people we 01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:42.119 expect from them and what and is that 01:55:42.199 --> 01:55:44.479 actually the best way to get the result 01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:46.439 that I think everyone I'm hearing 01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:48.520 everyone who's spoken would agree and 01:55:48.600 --> 01:55:50.239 support that we want and that is to make 01:55:50.319 --> 01:55:52.880 sure their hearing from us and we're 01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:54.600 hearing from them for all the things 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:55.720 that affect 01:55:55.800 --> 01:55:58.119 them thanks Council Willis I'm not sure 01:55:58.199 --> 01:55:59.960 staff can answer that question because 01:56:00.039 --> 01:56:01.119 we haven't developed the terms of 01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:03.600 reference Ed something will come out 01:56:03.680 --> 01:56:07.640 it's you know it's an idea some of 01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:09.119 these committees don't work we that's 01:56:09.199 --> 01:56:10.600 why we're disbanding two of them it's an 01:56:10.680 --> 01:56:12.600 idea put forward by councelor MacDonald 01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:14.800 and we'll give it a go and it may not 01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:16.239 actually achieve what the seniors in 01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:18.039 quean and Bangor bra would think that it 01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:19.479 might and if it doesn't then we adjust 01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:21.439 the terms of reference we disband it we 01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:24.239 work but basic as far as I'm concerned 01:56:24.319 --> 01:56:26.720 I'll support it we'll see how it goes 01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:29.439 You may wish to move a foreshadow 01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:30.760 contrary motion to move as per the 01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:33.159 business paper no if not Is there 01:56:33.239 --> 01:56:34.920 further discussion councilors Council 01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:37.359 Livermore or then councelor Grundy 01:56:37.439 --> 01:56:39.039 yes just discussing the First Nations 01:56:39.119 --> 01:56:41.399 advisory committee and just you know 01:56:41.479 --> 01:56:43.279 maybe like now you know the First 01:56:43.359 --> 01:56:45.560 Nations commune know that this was a 01:56:45.640 --> 01:56:48.520 recommendation not only from Council 01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:50.000 and Council staff but also from the 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:52.439 former committee and just Ensure uring 01:56:52.520 --> 01:56:53.560 you know that there's a Better Way 01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:55.479 Forward as there was not many people 01:56:55.560 --> 01:56:57.279 that were attending that meeting and you 01:56:57.359 --> 01:56:59.000 know just finding that and the council 01:56:59.079 --> 01:57:01.479 sta Council and staff you know did try 01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:03.039 to find different ways to be able to 01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:04.800 make that first nation's advisory 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:07.760 committee work but it's you know the 01:57:07.840 --> 01:57:09.640 fact that we are also looking at 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:11.960 proposing the qprc First Nations Network 01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:13.960 developed is still important to 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:15.279 acknowledge and know that that that 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:16.760 we're still looking at ways to still be 01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:18.000 able to move forward with the First 01:57:18.079 --> 01:57:20.560 Nations peoples in their community so 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:21.760 it's really important to know that this 01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:23.840 isn't the end of the First Nations 01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:25.359 advisory committee but we're just 01:57:25.439 --> 01:57:26.920 looking at different ways forward to 01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.560 work with it but in saying that also a 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:31.640 lot of the some of the barriers that 01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:34.520 were that were met within this was that 01:57:34.600 --> 01:57:37.880 staff and counselors were you know 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:42.680 not you would probably need some cult 01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:44.199 cultural responsive training and being 01:57:44.279 --> 01:57:45.840 able to work with First Nations people 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:47.880 because there are still barriers in the 01:57:47.960 --> 01:57:49.319 ways that First Nations people in The 01:57:49.399 --> 01:57:51.199 Wider Community work and I think that's 01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:52.800 important for staff to be able to get 01:57:52.880 --> 01:57:55.079 that type of training to ensure that 01:57:55.159 --> 01:57:56.640 they're also safe and working in these 01:57:56.720 --> 01:57:58.439 environments but also that there there's 01:57:58.520 --> 01:57:59.840 that partnership and respect that's 01:57:59.920 --> 01:58:01.520 going to be built from the 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:04.279 get-go thank you councelor councelor 01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:07.880 Grundy thank you Mr Mayor through 01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:10.960 you I'd like to ask a question if I may 01:58:11.039 --> 01:58:13.560 having been on the buang Andor towns 01:58:13.640 --> 01:58:16.680 and environs commit advisory committee 01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:19.840 the terms of reference do exist and 01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:23.760 they were updated in 22 two which 01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:26.079 allowed two additional if my memory says 01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:28.920 me correctly two additional members to 01:58:29.000 --> 01:58:31.319 be on that committee and there was a 01:58:31.399 --> 01:58:33.439 process followed in order to go out to 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:36.479 community and seek candidates for 01:58:36.560 --> 01:58:39.319 those two positions which did occur so 01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:43.680 my question is why are we seeking to 01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:46.239 review those terms of reference when 01:58:46.319 --> 01:58:49.520 they B been done relatively recently 01:58:49.600 --> 01:58:51.560 okay M general manager through Mr 01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:53.359 Mayor all the terms of reference have 01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:55.800 been updated to ensure that the each 01:58:55.880 --> 01:58:58.000 advisory committee has a clear role and 01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:00.079 purpose which is very important and we 01:59:00.159 --> 01:59:02.840 include in there the notations about 01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:04.880 delegations they do need to be updated 01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:06.000 and reviewed and we'll bring them back 01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:08.039 for Council so and Council needs to 01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:10.319 approve those terms of reference before 01:59:10.399 --> 01:59:12.800 they go to the committee so then why are 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:15.359 the remaining advisory committees 01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:18.600 under point one not subject to that 01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:21.600 review of terms of reference general 01:59:21.680 --> 01:59:22.600 manager 01:59:22.680 --> 01:59:24.359 so through Mr Mayor they do each of 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:27.800 those committees have attached to the 01:59:27.880 --> 01:59:30.079 report there were terms of reference for 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:32.359 each of those new 01:59:32.439 --> 01:59:36.159 advisory committees okay so what I'm 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:38.960 asking though is why is BTE being 01:59:39.039 --> 01:59:41.279 treated differently when they clearly do 01:59:41.359 --> 01:59:43.199 have a terms of reference that are 01:59:43.279 --> 01:59:46.079 existing when when it's been when 01:59:46.159 --> 01:59:48.520 you've just said that all advisory 01:59:48.600 --> 01:59:50.840 committees need their terms of reference 01:59:50.920 --> 01:59:54.439 updated that that's not that's not in 01:59:54.520 --> 01:59:57.640 question in qu the question I have is 01:59:57.720 --> 02:00:01.319 why is BTE bch has existing terms of 02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:05.640 reference so doesn't that mean that 6 02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:08.840 is invalid in terms of its reference to 02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:11.760 bch are you happy to address but also 02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:12.720 let's not forget this is counc 02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:14.000 MacDonald's motion and he's the one 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:16.199 that's put it in point 6 M the general 02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:17.920 manager hasn't done that through Mr 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:19.439 Mayor we don't have attached to the 02:00:19.520 --> 02:00:22.119 report a terms of reference for bch need 02:00:22.199 --> 02:00:23.399 to be updated and brought back for 02:00:23.479 --> 02:00:25.880 Council 02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.439 approval Council MacDonald 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:35.840 well I was just hoping hoping to to 02:00:35.920 --> 02:00:39.760 help you look inside my mind on this 02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:40.800 matter 02:00:40.880 --> 02:00:44.600 only it was that I there are 02:00:44.680 --> 02:00:47.319 attachments of all the others I 02:00:47.399 --> 02:00:50.399 understood I I I understood I hope that 02:00:50.479 --> 02:00:54.239 they were reviewed and updated for 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:56.640 adoption at this meeting in relation 02:00:56.720 --> 02:00:59.319 to all of the Committees at point 02:00:59.399 --> 02:01:02.840 one I'm getting nods okay and that and 02:01:02.920 --> 02:01:05.800 that was the and that was the basis 02:01:05.880 --> 02:01:07.720 on which I I did that so thank you thank 02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:08.800 you Council 02:01:08.880 --> 02:01:10.880 Broadband I just want to make a 02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:12.760 clarifying point the motion as it stands 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:14.119 at the moment doesn't refer to us 02:01:14.199 --> 02:01:15.800 approving terms of reference if 02:01:15.880 --> 02:01:17.199 that's something we want to do I might 02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:20.079 be a worthwhile 02:01:20.680 --> 02:01:23.239 Amendment 02:01:23.319 --> 02:01:26.119 sorry 02:01:26.199 --> 02:01:28.039 MacDonald terms of reference at the 02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:29.840 moment aren't mentioned as being 02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:33.560 approved by this by this motion so okay 02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:38.359 so gentl secretary just addressing that 02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:41.319 now okay so we're happy with that change 02:01:41.399 --> 02:01:43.960 Council MacDonald 02:01:44.039 --> 02:01:48.199 okay sorry my my quick typing at the 02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:50.600 bottom it's 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:53.439 02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:56.760 Paris environment should be 02:01:56.840 --> 02:02:00.800 environs thank you that's all okay is 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:02.520 there any further discussion councilors 02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:04.960 might I just all right councelor 02:02:05.039 --> 02:02:08.319 MacDonald thank you mayor and thanks 02:02:08.399 --> 02:02:11.079 colleagues for the for the input to 02:02:11.159 --> 02:02:13.640 council Broadband to on that point 02:02:13.720 --> 02:02:16.840 look the the the question I I I don't 02:02:16.920 --> 02:02:18.960 think it was rhetorical from Council 02:02:19.039 --> 02:02:20.720 Willis it was you know are we going to 02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:24.319 consult seniors on you know the laneway 02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:27.399 treatment or something like that 02:02:27.479 --> 02:02:29.079 not the specifics and I mean I think 02:02:29.159 --> 02:02:31.039 this is the important point it's sort of 02:02:31.119 --> 02:02:35.119 the the question of saying you know 02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:36.960 seeing you say Hey you know these 02:02:37.039 --> 02:02:39.439 cobblestones used in our LGA are 02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:42.039 really difficult for our our Walkers or 02:02:42.119 --> 02:02:43.840 our our mobility Scooters or something 02:02:43.920 --> 02:02:45.800 like that or hey you know what your park 02:02:45.880 --> 02:02:47.800 benches are just a fraction of an inch 02:02:47.880 --> 02:02:49.600 too high or something like that and it's 02:02:49.680 --> 02:02:52.279 those broader strategic kind of 02:02:52.359 --> 02:02:55.159 conversations which I which I hope to 02:02:55.239 --> 02:02:58.079 to to gather from from this 02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:00.159 committee 02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:04.600 now if I can just close with the the 02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:06.119 what I foreshadowed earlier it's 02:03:06.199 --> 02:03:07.880 called the New South Wales the local 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:08.920 government of New South Wales 02:03:09.000 --> 02:03:10.880 age-friendly toolkit for New South Wales 02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:11.880 local 02:03:11.960 --> 02:03:15.960 government and page 25 02:03:16.039 --> 02:03:18.479 emphasizes ensure representation of 02:03:18.560 --> 02:03:20.720 older people through advisory committees 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:22.199 Andor establish 02:03:22.279 --> 02:03:24.239 aging advisory committees or reference 02:03:24.319 --> 02:03:26.760 groups so that's sort of the the as I 02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:29.359 mentioned the the guidance from onh 02:03:29.439 --> 02:03:31.239 High 02:03:31.319 --> 02:03:36.439 and the and additional to that I I 02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:38.159 I recall when I was first elected having 02:03:38.239 --> 02:03:40.239 a conversation with the age 02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:41.920 discrimination commission Australia's 02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:43.640 age discrimination commissioner at the 02:03:43.720 --> 02:03:45.520 time we had a coffee and I said what do 02:03:45.600 --> 02:03:47.760 we do as local government how can we do 02:03:47.840 --> 02:03:51.279 it better for aging population she 02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:53.399 asked how does how does our committee 02:03:53.479 --> 02:03:56.600 operate and I suggested that we 02:03:56.680 --> 02:03:58.039 didn't have one she said there's your 02:03:58.119 --> 02:04:01.359 first problem Ross go away deal with 02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:03.119 that and then we'll have another coffee 02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:05.079 and I've had subsequent coffees with 02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:09.039 K so she's a great source of info thank 02:04:09.119 --> 02:04:11.199 you thank you councilor MacDonald will'll 02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:12.760 put the motion council's all in favor Mr 02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:15.199 Mayor if before you do that I think 02:04:15.279 --> 02:04:18.680 there is still a mistake in 02:04:18.760 --> 02:04:21.680 6 there they should should there 02:04:21.760 --> 02:04:23.319 question should there be the word 02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:26.720 advisory after 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:32.039 environs yes so Council MacDonald yes all 02:04:32.119 --> 02:04:33.720 right so we're happy with it now I can't 02:04:33.800 --> 02:04:36.079 see behind me we're happy with it okay 02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:37.760 we'll put the motion council's all in 02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:40.640 favor that is unanimous and carried so 02:04:40.720 --> 02:04:43.560 counselors it is 7:30 so we will break 02:04:43.640 --> 02:04:45.079 and when we come back we will appoint 02:04:45.159 --> 02:04:47.439 counselors to the Committees we just 02:04:47.520 --> 02:04:51.079 decided so we will break for 10 02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:54.000 minutes back at 02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:58.840 7:45 okay we're back live counselors so 02:04:58.920 --> 02:05:01.279 we are now going to run through each 02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:02.560 committee I think the easiest way 02:05:02.640 --> 02:05:04.359 councils is just to self-nominate so 02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:05.920 we'll go through them one at a time 02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:07.720 please just put your hand up if you are 02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:10.079 interested in being a counselor delegate 02:05:10.159 --> 02:05:11.239 and we'll just go through them in the 02:05:11.319 --> 02:05:13.920 order that's in front of me the first 02:05:14.000 --> 02:05:15.840 one is the sustainability and climate 02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:17.760 change advisory committee we are meant 02:05:17.840 --> 02:05:19.520 to have two Council delegates have 02:05:19.600 --> 02:05:21.800 councelor interested councel Willis and 02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:24.439 councelor Preston do we have any further 02:05:24.520 --> 02:05:26.640 nominations if not we will declare them 02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:28.720 elected the Heritage advisory committee 02:05:28.800 --> 02:05:30.560 we need one councilor and one alternate 02:05:30.640 --> 02:05:33.079 so we have councelor Willis do we have 02:05:33.159 --> 02:05:34.920 an alternate councelor Waterhouse as the 02:05:35.000 --> 02:05:37.520 alternate the access committee we need a 02:05:37.600 --> 02:05:40.479 councelor and an alternate councelor 02:05:40.560 --> 02:05:44.159 MacDonald and councelor Wilson as the 02:05:44.239 --> 02:05:46.680 alternate the Arts and Cultural 02:05:46.760 --> 02:05:48.199 development advisory committee we have 02:05:48.279 --> 02:05:51.760 councelor Waterhouse councelor 02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:53.720 Preston or 02:05:53.800 --> 02:05:55.920 Livermore I'll take it 02:05:56.000 --> 02:05:57.840 Livermore okay it's Waterhouse and 02:05:57.920 --> 02:06:00.439 Livermore the sporting Gallery advisory 02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:02.800 committee we have Council Livermore 02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:03.920 traditionally does that and we'll have 02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:06.000 councelor MacDonald you can be the 02:06:06.079 --> 02:06:09.199 alternate the Sports Council we have 02:06:09.279 --> 02:06:11.880 councelor Wilson councelor Taskovski 02:06:11.960 --> 02:06:14.960 councelor Grundy I'd also like to 02:06:15.039 --> 02:06:18.039 nominate for this committee counselors 02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:21.039 is there any further nominations I think 02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:22.880 a simple way councils is just change we 02:06:22.960 --> 02:06:24.640 have four councils instead of three and 02:06:24.720 --> 02:06:26.479 then we can move forward if we're happy 02:06:26.560 --> 02:06:29.239 with that sounds good how do you who 02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:31.520 chairs that's I don't know that works 02:06:31.600 --> 02:06:33.039 worry about it okay we'll sort that out 02:06:33.119 --> 02:06:34.720 when we get to the first meeting but we 02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:38.840 can rotate I'm sure between me and me 02:06:38.920 --> 02:06:41.279 the youth advisory committee one 02:06:41.359 --> 02:06:43.520 counselor so we have councelor 02:06:43.600 --> 02:06:46.000 Broadband as the youngest councelor he 02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:47.399 has to be the delegate and then 02:06:47.479 --> 02:06:49.600 councelor Waterhouse as the oldest you 02:06:49.680 --> 02:06:52.479 also have to be the alternate 02:06:52.560 --> 02:06:55.960 Rebecca the showr advisory committee 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:59.880 councelor MacDonald and councelor Wilson 02:06:59.960 --> 02:07:03.000 the Braidwood flood flood risk 02:07:03.079 --> 02:07:05.640 management 02:07:06.319 --> 02:07:09.880 committee any takers 02:07:09.960 --> 02:07:12.199 counselors I think if everyone puts a 02:07:12.279 --> 02:07:13.720 hand up for one of these or half of you 02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:16.600 do then we can move forward so councelor 02:07:16.680 --> 02:07:19.239 Waterhouse and councelor Willis the bung 02:07:19.319 --> 02:07:20.840 Andor flood risk management committee 02:07:20.920 --> 02:07:23.319 councelor schw and councelor Preston the 02:07:23.399 --> 02:07:25.079 queenan flood risk management committee 02:07:25.159 --> 02:07:27.760 councelor Broadbent and 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:30.720 councelor Wilson orw councelor Wilson 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:32.880 you put your hand up first queenan that 02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:35.319 is councelor Wilson well done councilors 02:07:35.399 --> 02:07:38.239 that was fairly painless so we can move 02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:42.119 on to item nine was it no it was 02:07:42.199 --> 02:07:43.720 Broadbent and 02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:46.840 Wilson the next item councils is 911 02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:48.760 which is appointment of GM performance 02:07:48.840 --> 02:07:51.920 review delegate I'll just bring this up 02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:54.359 sorry 02:07:55.600 --> 02:07:58.720 counselors so I'm happy to move the 02:07:58.800 --> 02:08:01.039 recommendation and we have a secondar 02:08:01.119 --> 02:08:03.039 councelor MacDonald and if there's no 02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:04.520 discussion what we'll do is we'll put 02:08:04.600 --> 02:08:06.600 the motion and then we will call for 02:08:06.680 --> 02:08:08.439 nominations or potentially nominate a 02:08:08.520 --> 02:08:10.239 counselor so I'll put the motion 02:08:10.319 --> 02:08:12.640 councilors all in favor that is 02:08:12.720 --> 02:08:14.680 unanimous and carried I'm going to ask 02:08:14.760 --> 02:08:17.319 counselor Willis if she's happy to be 02:08:17.399 --> 02:08:20.439 nominated she is is anyone else like to 02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:22.520 be 02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:24.359 nominated if 02:08:24.439 --> 02:08:26.920 not oh this is the nomination so this 02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:28.199 will be this will be council's 02:08:28.279 --> 02:08:29.399 nomination then 02:08:29.479 --> 02:08:32.600 councilor the general manager will be in 02:08:32.680 --> 02:08:35.960 touch with a counselor and beg them to 02:08:36.039 --> 02:08:39.319 go on there or ask them nicely okay so I 02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:41.720 declare Council Willis the council 02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:44.720 representative the next item is 9912 02:08:44.800 --> 02:08:47.800 policy review do we have a mover for the 02:08:47.880 --> 02:08:49.399 recommendation councilors councel 02:08:49.479 --> 02:08:51.359 Waterhouse and a secondar councel MC 02:08:51.439 --> 02:08:53.279 Donald is there discussion 02:08:53.359 --> 02:08:55.399 councilors if not we can put the motion 02:08:55.479 --> 02:08:58.279 all those in favor that's unanimous and 02:08:58.359 --> 02:09:01.000 carried 93 is the audit risk and 02:09:01.079 --> 02:09:03.520 Improvement committee Charter we have a 02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:05.439 move councel Broadband second to councel 02:09:05.520 --> 02:09:07.640 Preston is there discussion councelor 02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:11.960 Broadband no not at all I I sorry 02:09:12.039 --> 02:09:13.600 I haven't got much to say on this I'm 02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:16.720 I'm very stoked with the work that 02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:21.880 the aric team has done you'll see 02:09:21.960 --> 02:09:25.439 that there is a a a mapping between 02:09:25.520 --> 02:09:27.119 the charter as it stands at the moment 02:09:27.199 --> 02:09:29.279 as proposed and the model terms of 02:09:29.359 --> 02:09:31.039 reference and I think that's a really 02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:33.079 useful tool that the aric is and I'm 02:09:33.159 --> 02:09:35.479 hoping the aric will maintain into 02:09:35.560 --> 02:09:37.640 the future because it allows us as 02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:39.399 counselors to get a nice clear picture 02:09:39.479 --> 02:09:43.239 of what the value ad of the proposed 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:45.600 terms of reference is and so it means we 02:09:45.680 --> 02:09:46.960 you can get as much value out of the 02:09:47.039 --> 02:09:48.960 Eric as we can and I think it's a it's a 02:09:49.039 --> 02:09:51.399 good way forward so happy to move this 02:09:51.479 --> 02:09:53.000 Thank You councelor Is there further 02:09:53.079 --> 02:09:55.399 discussion councilors and councilor 02:09:55.479 --> 02:09:57.560 Broadbent the first home VI stoked at a 02:09:57.640 --> 02:10:00.560 council meeting so 02:10:00.640 --> 02:10:02.680 congratulations we will put the motion 02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:05.119 councils all in favor that's unanimous 02:10:05.199 --> 02:10:08.479 and carried 914 is the investment report 02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:10.680 November 2024 we have a move councelor 02:10:10.760 --> 02:10:12.319 Wilson seconded councelor Willis is 02:10:12.399 --> 02:10:13.720 there discussion councilors councelor 02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:16.119 Wilson yeah thank you mayor been 02:10:16.199 --> 02:10:17.479 letting last few go through but this 02:10:17.560 --> 02:10:18.920 one's an important one I just want to 02:10:19.000 --> 02:10:21.600 make comment that we're now at 299 m ion 02:10:21.680 --> 02:10:23.560 in unrestricted funds which is quite 02:10:23.640 --> 02:10:26.199 a substantial amount and you can see 02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:28.359 the investment returns per month showing 02:10:28.439 --> 02:10:31.159 that I just would ask that it go on 02:10:31.239 --> 02:10:33.359 notice and and some information has 02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:35.760 been shared but through our CFO acting 02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:38.439 CFO that we're able to get a bit more 02:10:38.520 --> 02:10:40.000 detail about these projects and what 02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:41.760 they are and what we're holding funds to 02:10:41.840 --> 02:10:43.279 build and what's coming down the 02:10:43.359 --> 02:10:46.279 pipeline so I think it is important 02:10:46.359 --> 02:10:48.279 that we bring as much transparency as we 02:10:48.359 --> 02:10:50.880 can it's an it's a significant 02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:53.439 amount of money my second comment is 02:10:53.520 --> 02:10:55.079 just to to note that the unrestricted 02:10:55.159 --> 02:10:57.159 cash I know it bounces up and down 02:10:57.239 --> 02:10:58.439 but it's good to see that we will be 02:10:58.520 --> 02:10:59.520 getting we're getting an investment 02:10:59.600 --> 02:11:01.079 return each month on that unrestricted 02:11:01.159 --> 02:11:03.039 cash so that helps us with little 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:04.840 decisions that we might make earlier in 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:07.479 tonight around a little 10 15,000 02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:10.079 type da not that we take them lightly 02:11:10.159 --> 02:11:12.079 potential source of funds though thank 02:11:12.159 --> 02:11:14.560 you thank you councelor Wilson I just 02:11:14.640 --> 02:11:16.119 ask councelor Willis any comments before 02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:18.079 I go to councelor swackett councelor 02:11:18.159 --> 02:11:20.680 swet just a question with regards to the 02:11:20.760 --> 02:11:23.760 investment the investment report at 02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:26.920 the end I I imagine that's from the 02:11:27.000 --> 02:11:30.239 broker that Council uses and are the 02:11:30.319 --> 02:11:33.920 broker's fees listed anywhere that we 02:11:34.000 --> 02:11:35.520 pay for them I mean do they take a 02:11:35.600 --> 02:11:38.600 commission is it a fee for for service 02:11:38.680 --> 02:11:42.920 are you able to sort of answer we go to 02:11:43.000 --> 02:11:46.079 CFO through you Mr Mayor the fees 02:11:46.159 --> 02:11:48.920 for the investment advisory service are 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:51.520 actually in the budget you won't see 02:11:51.600 --> 02:11:53.760 them in any of the these reports but we 02:11:53.840 --> 02:11:57.199 can start including them so just just 02:11:57.279 --> 02:11:59.479 the followup question are the fees 02:11:59.560 --> 02:12:01.199 fees for service or is that a commission 02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:02.880 it's a fee for 02:12:02.960 --> 02:12:05.000 service okay there further discussion 02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:06.720 councilors if not we'll put the motion 02:12:06.800 --> 02:12:09.000 all in favor that's unanimous and 02:12:09.079 --> 02:12:12.760 carried 9:15 is the annual report 2024 02:12:12.840 --> 02:12:15.039 do we have a move 02:12:15.119 --> 02:12:17.359 councilors councelor Wilson seconded 02:12:17.439 --> 02:12:19.319 councelor Preston there discussion 02:12:19.399 --> 02:12:21.520 councilors 02:12:21.600 --> 02:12:23.359 if not we'll put the motion all those in 02:12:23.439 --> 02:12:26.760 favor that's unanimous and carried so 02:12:26.840 --> 02:12:30.039 we're on to item 10.1 which is questions 02:12:30.119 --> 02:12:32.319 with notice bus shelter programmed we 02:12:32.399 --> 02:12:35.239 have a mover councelor Willis seconded 02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:36.479 councelor Waterhouse is there a 02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:38.720 discussion councelors if not we'll put 02:12:38.800 --> 02:12:40.600 the motion all in favor or is that 02:12:40.680 --> 02:12:42.159 councelor Wilson does have something 02:12:42.239 --> 02:12:44.039 yeah sorry just I had a quick and 02:12:44.119 --> 02:12:45.479 firstly just thank you to counc Willis 02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:47.880 for bringing this forward one I 02:12:47.960 --> 02:12:49.279 didn't realize how many bus shoulds we 02:12:49.359 --> 02:12:51.119 weren't replacing it's two one and one 02:12:51.199 --> 02:12:53.760 and then surprisingly looks like 02:12:53.840 --> 02:12:55.600 we're going to get 16 new bus shs so 02:12:55.680 --> 02:12:57.119 just quickly on notice to the through 02:12:57.199 --> 02:13:00.600 you may to the GM I would it may well 02:13:00.680 --> 02:13:02.279 be in the attachment but could you said 02:13:02.359 --> 02:13:04.319 provide by email where those 16 new bus 02:13:04.399 --> 02:13:06.880 shelers are going to be approved for 02:13:06.960 --> 02:13:09.680 installation is that a question for oh 02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:12.319 just a a request sorry to the staff 02:13:12.399 --> 02:13:14.319 through you may if that's okay okay 02:13:14.399 --> 02:13:15.960 they've noted that y Is there further 02:13:16.039 --> 02:13:18.079 discussion councilors if not we'll put 02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:20.359 the motion all in favor unanimous and 02:13:20.439 --> 02:13:23.199 carried 10.2 is questions with notice 02:13:23.279 --> 02:13:24.880 Braidwood non-revenue water move by 02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:27.840 Council Willis seconded Council 02:13:27.920 --> 02:13:30.800 Waterhouse counc Willis just briefly 02:13:30.880 --> 02:13:32.439 I'd like to thank the staff for this 02:13:32.520 --> 02:13:35.640 answer this is an ongoing matter of 02:13:35.720 --> 02:13:38.199 well concern and it's really important 02:13:38.279 --> 02:13:39.880 that we get on top of it so it's I'm 02:13:39.960 --> 02:13:41.319 pleased to see that we're making 02:13:41.399 --> 02:13:44.560 progress and perhaps when there's 02:13:44.640 --> 02:13:47.880 an another time has elapsed we 02:13:47.960 --> 02:13:51.119 might get an update rather than per 02:13:51.199 --> 02:13:54.439 on a I don't know in 6 months time if 02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:56.920 there's anything to report rather than 02:13:57.000 --> 02:13:59.159 relying on my questions or notice if 02:13:59.239 --> 02:14:01.079 that's okay it is a it's an ongoing 02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:02.359 piece of work and it's really very 02:14:02.439 --> 02:14:04.800 important thank you thank you Council Is 02:14:04.880 --> 02:14:07.359 there further discussion councilor wison 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:09.840 with your microphone on there's nothing 02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:11.159 further we'll put the motion council's 02:14:11.239 --> 02:14:13.119 all in favor that's unanimous and 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:16.279 carried 10.3 is the lease and license 02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:18.279 register we have a mve councel Preston 02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:21.359 and a second councilor Livermore Council 02:14:21.439 --> 02:14:25.439 Preston just really wanted to note 02:14:25.520 --> 02:14:28.359 that eight out out of the 11 of these 02:14:28.439 --> 02:14:31.399 Agreements are are quite insecure 02:14:31.479 --> 02:14:33.359 they're still negotiations in 02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:35.239 progress and that's something I 02:14:35.319 --> 02:14:38.640 wanted to flag as a as a concern we 02:14:38.720 --> 02:14:40.680 do need to to lock them down if we could 02:14:40.760 --> 02:14:43.039 thank you thank you Council Is there 02:14:43.119 --> 02:14:45.199 further discussion if not we'll put the 02:14:45.279 --> 02:14:48.000 motion all in favor that's unanimous and 02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:51.199 carried 10.4 is planning performance 02:14:51.279 --> 02:14:54.039 have a move councelor Preston second 02:14:54.119 --> 02:14:56.960 councelor Taskovski councelor Preston 02:14:57.039 --> 02:14:58.800 thank you I note that this is 02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:01.520 excellent progress has been made 02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:04.199 there's more work to be done and as 02:15:04.279 --> 02:15:07.039 the new team and processes deliver 02:15:07.119 --> 02:15:08.720 results and i' just like to take a 02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:11.039 couple of quotes out of this since 02:15:11.119 --> 02:15:13.520 July 2024 the FasTrack team has been 02:15:13.600 --> 02:15:17.199 allocated 175 applications with 113 02:15:17.279 --> 02:15:18.880 being determined with an average 02:15:18.960 --> 02:15:20.920 assessment time of 80 Days having the 02:15:21.000 --> 02:15:23.039 two teams enable SE separate approaches 02:15:23.119 --> 02:15:25.279 and measures a two-pronged approach to 02:15:25.359 --> 02:15:27.880 achieve the The Minister's expectations 02:15:27.960 --> 02:15:29.479 and I would add perhaps more 02:15:29.560 --> 02:15:31.960 pointedly the community's expectations 02:15:32.039 --> 02:15:34.319 the benefits of the the significant 02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:36.880 workpl Place change that was implemented 02:15:36.960 --> 02:15:38.000 in July 02:15:38.079 --> 02:15:40.560 2024 is starting to reap benefits with 02:15:40.640 --> 02:15:42.520 the development support team who are 02:15:42.600 --> 02:15:44.239 responsible from for lodgment of 02:15:44.319 --> 02:15:46.279 applications achieving an average of two 02:15:46.359 --> 02:15:48.239 days for the month of November a 02:15:48.319 --> 02:15:50.159 tremendous achievement it really is a 02:15:50.239 --> 02:15:51.560 tremendous achiev 02:15:51.640 --> 02:15:52.920 and I should further stress that the 02:15:53.000 --> 02:15:55.159 Improvement for 1 June 2024 when there 02:15:55.239 --> 02:15:56.039 were 02:15:56.119 --> 02:15:59.960 355 undetermined applications until now 02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:03.680 when there are 171 a reduction of 184 02:16:03.760 --> 02:16:05.920 applications is simply phenomenal and 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:07.680 congratulations to the of the highest 02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:09.840 order a due to council staff who worked 02:16:09.920 --> 02:16:11.439 so hard to achieve these excellent 02:16:11.520 --> 02:16:13.479 outcomes yes there's more to do but this 02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:15.640 is a really great step 02:16:15.720 --> 02:16:17.720 forward Is there further discussion 02:16:17.800 --> 02:16:20.359 councils councelor Wilson thank you 02:16:20.439 --> 02:16:22.079 mayor andk thank you Council Preston for 02:16:22.159 --> 02:16:25.000 that I suppose highlighting the 02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:26.399 positive parts of the report and I don't 02:16:26.479 --> 02:16:30.319 want to be a a a black cap here but 02:16:30.399 --> 02:16:31.760 just a quick question through you mayor 02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:34.760 to staff we are currently still at 02:16:34.840 --> 02:16:37.479 174 days versus 115 which is a 02:16:37.559 --> 02:16:39.040 ministerial Target now perhaps that's an 02:16:39.120 --> 02:16:41.120 optimistic Target but I note in the 02:16:41.200 --> 02:16:43.559 paper that that Target actually ramps 02:16:43.639 --> 02:16:45.840 down it doesn't go up so it goes to 105 02:16:45.920 --> 02:16:48.360 days then 95 days and then 85 days 02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:51.399 within two or three years 02:16:51.479 --> 02:16:53.440 it's a bit hard on notice without 02:16:53.520 --> 02:16:56.680 notice but is the is our is our lead 02:16:56.760 --> 02:16:59.520 staff you know Rutha confident that 02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:02.959 we can get down from 174 or 154 days 02:17:03.040 --> 02:17:05.120 down to those metrics in that time 02:17:05.200 --> 02:17:06.440 frame because it's a big that's a big 02:17:06.520 --> 02:17:08.479 bit of work or is there something unique 02:17:08.559 --> 02:17:12.079 about queenan and palarang that you 02:17:12.159 --> 02:17:13.040 know we're never going to meet this 02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:16.440 target thank you okay Mr M through you 02:17:16.520 --> 02:17:18.280 Mr Mayor we've actually been dealing 02:17:18.360 --> 02:17:20.520 with large amounts of older applications 02:17:20.600 --> 02:17:22.239 and backlog so the large nber of 02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:23.760 applications that we've reduced have 02:17:23.840 --> 02:17:26.120 also had large nbers of days which is 02:17:26.200 --> 02:17:27.600 the reason why you'll find our 02:17:27.680 --> 02:17:30.159 residential average is around 150 days 02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:33.000 already it's actually the larger 02:17:33.079 --> 02:17:35.799 applications the challenges we have are 02:17:35.879 --> 02:17:37.600 no different to anyone El any other 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:39.920 authority across the state where they 02:17:40.000 --> 02:17:42.000 have significant applications that are 02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:43.879 potentially waiting through you know 02:17:43.959 --> 02:17:46.479 state government agency referrals I'm 02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:48.559 really confident that the team that 02:17:48.639 --> 02:17:50.440 I've got working with me the managers 02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:52.840 the officers and the coordinators that 02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:54.719 are actually very focused on what we 02:17:54.799 --> 02:17:57.120 need to do every month we're going to 02:17:57.200 --> 02:18:00.840 achieve it I think that yeah I'm 02:18:00.920 --> 02:18:02.479 I'm pretty confident of that and you'll 02:18:02.559 --> 02:18:04.040 be getting another report from us in 02:18:04.120 --> 02:18:05.920 April and that's going to give you that 02:18:06.000 --> 02:18:08.719 next I suppose that last slice we're 02:18:08.799 --> 02:18:10.719 obviously monitoring it month in month 02:18:10.799 --> 02:18:16.360 out and yep I'm I'm a 02:18:16.440 --> 02:18:18.520 Believer I try to be positive as well so 02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:20.200 just a quick comment then to wrap up M 02:18:20.280 --> 02:18:21.280 that was a good thank you for your 02:18:21.360 --> 02:18:25.200 response Mr Miller and it is good to 02:18:25.280 --> 02:18:26.559 see that we are getting this regular 02:18:26.639 --> 02:18:28.120 reporting and this is something that we 02:18:28.200 --> 02:18:29.680 have put resources into and it's having 02:18:29.760 --> 02:18:31.360 impact and I'm sure most other 02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:32.799 councilors as well we are open to 02:18:32.879 --> 02:18:34.639 providing more resources to keep our 02:18:34.719 --> 02:18:36.840 performance improving so if needed of 02:18:36.920 --> 02:18:38.559 course but thank you very much thank you 02:18:38.639 --> 02:18:40.879 Council Is there further discussion if 02:18:40.959 --> 02:18:42.920 not we'll put the motion all in favor 02:18:43.000 --> 02:18:45.319 that's unanimous and carried 10.5 is a 02:18:45.399 --> 02:18:47.600 resolution action sheet and we have a 02:18:47.680 --> 02:18:50.000 mover councelor Preston seconded 02:18:50.079 --> 02:18:52.360 councelor Livermore is there discussion 02:18:52.440 --> 02:18:54.280 counselors if not we'll put the motion 02:18:54.360 --> 02:18:56.840 all in favor that's unanimous and 02:18:56.920 --> 02:18:59.360 carried 10.6 is funding of Mental Health 02:18:59.440 --> 02:19:01.440 Services in queenan palarang we have a 02:19:01.520 --> 02:19:03.959 mover councelor MacDonald and a second 02:19:04.040 --> 02:19:06.360 councelor Preston councelor 02:19:06.440 --> 02:19:11.040 MacDonald thank you mayor 02:19:11.120 --> 02:19:14.239 trying to think of the antecedence of 02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:16.879 this o o of this I think it was in 02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:21.280 the previous Council perhaps 02:19:21.360 --> 02:19:24.799 we had a situation where where head 02:19:24.879 --> 02:19:27.920 space or Marathon I think they're 02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.959 called Health operating out of 02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:34.840 queenan sought a sought some 02:19:34.920 --> 02:19:37.360 relief from Council for their for 02:19:37.440 --> 02:19:39.520 their facilities now we took the view as 02:19:39.600 --> 02:19:44.159 the council that it was absurd that a 02:19:44.239 --> 02:19:46.239 local government level ought be 02:19:46.319 --> 02:19:49.000 effectively funding mental health 02:19:49.079 --> 02:19:53.079 facilities to to operate they are 02:19:53.159 --> 02:19:55.680 grossly underfunded that is mental 02:19:55.760 --> 02:19:58.799 health nationally and it is now 02:19:58.879 --> 02:20:01.920 coming to the point 02:20:02.000 --> 02:20:05.520 where individual organizations fund 02:20:05.600 --> 02:20:08.680 raise we go to lower levels of 02:20:08.760 --> 02:20:11.200 government like local government 02:20:11.280 --> 02:20:13.559 seeking assistance for these people to 02:20:13.639 --> 02:20:15.719 provide the necessary service to our 02:20:15.799 --> 02:20:19.040 community that they do so well and I 02:20:19.120 --> 02:20:22.079 will use every opport I can to to put 02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:24.399 on the record and to kick into those who 02:20:24.479 --> 02:20:26.600 are responsible and have shered that 02:20:26.680 --> 02:20:29.559 responsibility over many years over 02:20:29.639 --> 02:20:31.760 successive governments from the real 02:20:31.840 --> 02:20:34.959 funding that mental health needs 02:20:35.040 --> 02:20:39.120 and I I think if we look at the the 02:20:39.200 --> 02:20:41.079 the response which we received from the 02:20:41.159 --> 02:20:42.959 minister I know it sort of played a 02:20:43.040 --> 02:20:45.000 little bit of handball to to to land 02:20:45.079 --> 02:20:47.600 with the appropriate funding 02:20:47.680 --> 02:20:49.360 Authority in in in in the federal 02:20:49.440 --> 02:20:51.079 government the letter 02:20:51.159 --> 02:20:53.200 was signed by the chief of staff to the 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:56.319 minister and I think that is an a damn 02:20:56.399 --> 02:20:59.680 disgrace this is an elected member who 02:20:59.760 --> 02:21:02.120 wrote as our mayor who wrote to a 02:21:02.200 --> 02:21:05.040 minister and has received a response 02:21:05.120 --> 02:21:07.879 from a non-elected member of The 02:21:07.959 --> 02:21:10.559 Minister's staff so if it doesn't show 02:21:10.639 --> 02:21:13.239 contempt for mental health and the 02:21:13.319 --> 02:21:15.440 funding it needs then it certainly shows 02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:19.159 contempt for correspondence and I would 02:21:19.239 --> 02:21:22.559 argue our Council and 02:21:23.559 --> 02:21:25.520 representations Thank You councelor Is 02:21:25.600 --> 02:21:26.719 there further 02:21:26.799 --> 02:21:28.799 discussion if not we'll put the motion 02:21:28.879 --> 02:21:31.280 all in favor that's unanimous and 02:21:31.360 --> 02:21:35.440 carried the next item is 10.7 counselor 02:21:35.520 --> 02:21:38.360 workshops you have we move councelor 02:21:38.440 --> 02:21:40.360 Winchester second Council Livermore is 02:21:40.440 --> 02:21:43.239 any discussion councelor schwar is a 02:21:43.319 --> 02:21:44.959 discussion yeah I'm going to take the 02:21:45.040 --> 02:21:46.479 rather unorthodox step and actually vote 02:21:46.559 --> 02:21:49.120 against this reason being is most of 02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:51.040 these are actually briefings they're not 02:21:51.120 --> 02:21:53.159 workshops and I don't think it's right 02:21:53.239 --> 02:21:54.559 to give the community the impression 02:21:54.639 --> 02:21:57.200 that we've actually had a significant 02:21:57.280 --> 02:21:59.879 input into what goes out with these 02:21:59.959 --> 02:22:01.840 particular topics and I raised that 02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:03.159 tonight in regards to the Braidwood 02:22:03.239 --> 02:22:06.520 structure plan so I would say that to 02:22:06.600 --> 02:22:09.559 me this Workshop business model isn't 02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:12.040 working for me under I mean I have 02:22:12.120 --> 02:22:14.479 obligations under Section 232 1B and 02:22:14.559 --> 02:22:17.079 section 223 1e of the Local Government 02:22:17.159 --> 02:22:19.959 Act and I don't believe that briefings 02:22:20.040 --> 02:22:22.879 done virtually are actually enabling 02:22:22.959 --> 02:22:24.760 me to achieve those those particular 02:22:24.840 --> 02:22:26.479 obligations on me and not just me on on 02:22:26.559 --> 02:22:28.959 all of us here so I just put that out 02:22:29.040 --> 02:22:31.319 there just as a as a maybe we can 02:22:31.399 --> 02:22:32.799 rethink the business model about how we 02:22:32.879 --> 02:22:34.920 do actual workshopping rather than 02:22:35.000 --> 02:22:36.360 just briefings and most of these I does 02:22:36.440 --> 02:22:38.079 say it's a briefing sh but it's now 02:22:38.159 --> 02:22:39.680 grouped under the whole Workshop sort of 02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:42.760 motion that's me to speaking again thank 02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:45.239 you okay is there further discussion 02:22:45.319 --> 02:22:47.159 counselors if not we'll put the motion 02:22:47.239 --> 02:22:50.559 all in favor 02:22:51.239 --> 02:22:52.879 councelor Livermore councelor MacDonald 02:22:52.959 --> 02:22:54.920 councelor Preston councelor Waterhouse 02:22:55.000 --> 02:22:56.440 councelor Willis councel Wilson 02:22:56.520 --> 02:22:57.959 councelor Winchester councel Taskovski 02:22:58.040 --> 02:23:00.399 and against councelor Broadbent 02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:01.879 councelor Grundy councelor schet I 02:23:01.959 --> 02:23:05.239 declare it carried the next item 11.1 so 02:23:05.319 --> 02:23:06.920 we're on to reports of committees the 02:23:07.000 --> 02:23:08.520 quean show Grand advisory committee 02:23:08.600 --> 02:23:11.040 meeting minutes for December 2024 we 02:23:11.120 --> 02:23:12.399 have a mover councilors councelor 02:23:12.479 --> 02:23:15.360 MacDonald and a secondar councelor Wilson 02:23:15.440 --> 02:23:18.799 Council MacDonald I just note that 02:23:18.879 --> 02:23:20.520 the as the membership has only just 02:23:20.600 --> 02:23:23.319 arrived at I I avoided this meeting 02:23:23.399 --> 02:23:26.159 not through desire but through the 02:23:26.239 --> 02:23:28.719 lack of a council of representation 02:23:28.799 --> 02:23:30.840 but I'm sure in our absence and reading 02:23:30.920 --> 02:23:33.000 their their report they did wonderful 02:23:33.079 --> 02:23:35.319 work as they always do thank you 02:23:35.399 --> 02:23:36.719 councelor is there anything further 02:23:36.799 --> 02:23:39.040 councilors councelor Wilson yeah 02:23:39.120 --> 02:23:41.920 seconded I was quickly just thank the 02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:43.680 the committee and congratulate them on 02:23:43.760 --> 02:23:45.360 the the show I was I was away for this 02:23:45.440 --> 02:23:47.719 meeting I'm sure it was discussed and 02:23:47.799 --> 02:23:49.600 was really wonderful to take second in 02:23:49.680 --> 02:23:53.120 the cake bake by man thank 02:23:54.719 --> 02:23:58.159 you councelor Willis yes thank you 02:23:58.239 --> 02:23:59.879 have a question I'm hoping a staff 02:23:59.959 --> 02:24:02.120 member can answer there's reference 02:24:02.200 --> 02:24:04.000 in the minutes to the showr being an 02:24:04.079 --> 02:24:07.000 evacuation point and that was news to me 02:24:07.079 --> 02:24:08.280 I'm just wondering is that a new 02:24:08.360 --> 02:24:11.840 development and what is the for what 02:24:11.920 --> 02:24:15.639 events is it an evacuation Point 02:24:15.719 --> 02:24:17.680 and I'm wondering if I don't know maybe 02:24:17.760 --> 02:24:19.079 the rest of the community doesn't know 02:24:19.159 --> 02:24:20.319 they're supposed to gather there and 02:24:20.399 --> 02:24:21.440 certain 02:24:21.520 --> 02:24:24.079 circstances this is this there 02:24:24.159 --> 02:24:26.120 something best to be taken on notice or 02:24:26.200 --> 02:24:27.879 is one of the staff happy to answer I'm 02:24:27.959 --> 02:24:29.399 happy for it to be taken on notice 02:24:29.479 --> 02:24:33.520 that's fine okay okay Y no staff will 02:24:33.600 --> 02:24:35.120 take it on notice is there anything 02:24:35.200 --> 02:24:37.440 further councilors if not we'll put the 02:24:37.520 --> 02:24:40.120 motion all in favor that's unanimous and 02:24:40.200 --> 02:24:43.600 carried Mo to notice of motions 12.1 02:24:43.680 --> 02:24:45.200 notice of motion naming of bridge 02:24:45.280 --> 02:24:48.440 proposed name Ludwig borm Garder Bridge 02:24:48.520 --> 02:24:49.760 Council Waterhouse you're moving as per 02:24:49.840 --> 02:24:52.159 the business p 02:24:52.239 --> 02:24:53.879 yes please if I may okay and I'll call 02:24:53.959 --> 02:24:55.879 for a second councelor schw councel 02:24:55.959 --> 02:24:58.440 Waterhouse thanks very much for your 02:24:58.520 --> 02:25:01.639 forbearance I I passed this on from 02:25:01.719 --> 02:25:03.440 Mr Brian MacDonald who's a well-known 02:25:03.520 --> 02:25:05.760 local historian and he's lived in maor 02:25:05.840 --> 02:25:08.440 Creek all his life and and it was his 02:25:08.520 --> 02:25:10.360 idea that the new bridge that's being 02:25:10.440 --> 02:25:12.280 built and virtually finished now 02:25:12.360 --> 02:25:13.920 congratulations to the team that built 02:25:14.000 --> 02:25:15.639 it they've done a marvelous job out 02:25:15.719 --> 02:25:18.760 there hope somebody can pass that on 02:25:18.840 --> 02:25:21.399 to that team contractors as well as 02:25:21.479 --> 02:25:25.479 staff and Brian suggests Mr 02:25:25.559 --> 02:25:27.520 MacDonald suggests that this bridge be 02:25:27.600 --> 02:25:30.319 named after ludvig bomgardner ludvig 02:25:30.399 --> 02:25:32.799 bomgardner as it says in the papers 02:25:32.879 --> 02:25:35.799 was born sorry lived right beside 02:25:35.879 --> 02:25:39.159 where the bridge now stands and and 02:25:39.239 --> 02:25:40.840 it is said that it was his idea to build 02:25:40.920 --> 02:25:43.360 a bridge in the first place so 02:25:43.440 --> 02:25:46.959 oldtime is called it ludy's bridge and 02:25:47.040 --> 02:25:49.559 everyone else calls it backr Bridge 02:25:49.639 --> 02:25:50.680 of course 02:25:50.760 --> 02:25:53.079 but it's just a nice idea and I think 02:25:53.159 --> 02:25:56.079 it's probably a lovely idea especially 02:25:56.159 --> 02:25:59.879 in a Heritage con you know concept that 02:25:59.959 --> 02:26:02.600 that we start to think about people's 02:26:02.680 --> 02:26:05.159 names living on and and the naming of 02:26:05.239 --> 02:26:08.000 a bridge was very simple and as you 02:26:08.079 --> 02:26:10.200 can see in the the suggestion that we 02:26:10.280 --> 02:26:13.440 could put a little plark nearby 02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:15.959 acknowledging ludvig's importance 02:26:16.040 --> 02:26:18.120 to the community over a very long period 02:26:18.200 --> 02:26:20.280 of time he passed away in the same year 02:26:20.360 --> 02:26:22.680 that Brian was born and Brian grew up 02:26:22.760 --> 02:26:26.120 with stories of ludig bomgarden and he's 02:26:26.200 --> 02:26:28.760 lived through two world wars of course 02:26:28.840 --> 02:26:30.399 and oh sorry he died just at the 02:26:30.479 --> 02:26:32.159 start of the second war and he had to 02:26:32.239 --> 02:26:34.360 change his name because it was Germanic 02:26:34.440 --> 02:26:36.559 same as my family had to change their 02:26:36.639 --> 02:26:38.520 names because they were Germans as well 02:26:38.600 --> 02:26:41.079 so it's it's all part of that 02:26:41.159 --> 02:26:43.680 interesting mish mash of of historic 02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:45.399 things and I just think it's a very 02:26:45.479 --> 02:26:48.760 simple task to to do I'm hope that 02:26:48.840 --> 02:26:50.760 you can agree 02:26:50.840 --> 02:26:52.200 thank you Council Waterhouse councel 02:26:52.280 --> 02:26:54.479 schwar yeah thank you I'd like to 02:26:54.559 --> 02:26:56.319 thank Council waterous for this this is 02:26:56.399 --> 02:26:57.760 I think a lovely motion and it shows the 02:26:57.840 --> 02:26:59.760 value of local knowledge and also 02:26:59.840 --> 02:27:02.479 corporate experience and and preserving 02:27:02.559 --> 02:27:05.280 history and it also gives hope to 02:27:05.360 --> 02:27:06.719 me because when back in 2012 when I 02:27:06.799 --> 02:27:08.799 joined the local government game I 02:27:08.879 --> 02:27:10.479 was told that with a name like schwier 02:27:10.559 --> 02:27:11.760 nothing would ever get named after me 02:27:11.840 --> 02:27:13.120 because the geographic names board 02:27:13.200 --> 02:27:14.719 actually has policies against names that 02:27:14.799 --> 02:27:17.040 can't be spelled quite easily so yeah 02:27:17.120 --> 02:27:18.520 that gives me a little bit of Hope here 02:27:18.600 --> 02:27:21.440 so very much in support of this 02:27:21.520 --> 02:27:22.719 Thank You councelor schw Is there 02:27:22.799 --> 02:27:25.719 further discussion counselors s it's 02:27:25.799 --> 02:27:26.799 rather fitting that count the 02:27:26.879 --> 02:27:28.600 waterhouse's first notice of motions 02:27:28.680 --> 02:27:30.959 moved right here in Braidwood so well 02:27:31.040 --> 02:27:33.280 done we'll put the motion then all 02:27:33.360 --> 02:27:34.440 those in 02:27:34.520 --> 02:27:37.799 favor that is unanimous and carried next 02:27:37.879 --> 02:27:40.200 item is 12.2 which is notice of motion 02:27:40.280 --> 02:27:42.159 potential cost of living relief 02:27:42.239 --> 02:27:43.680 councelor swet moving as per the 02:27:43.760 --> 02:27:45.680 business paper yes please Mr m'am and 02:27:45.760 --> 02:27:46.799 the second 02:27:46.879 --> 02:27:50.120 councelor MacDonald councelor schwar 02:27:50.200 --> 02:27:51.280 thank you Mr may I won't take much time 02:27:51.360 --> 02:27:52.840 on this this this is just asking for a 02:27:52.920 --> 02:27:54.319 report that it's not committing Council 02:27:54.399 --> 02:27:56.799 to any decisions whatsoever I've 02:27:56.879 --> 02:27:59.159 deliberately left the the background 02:27:59.239 --> 02:28:00.639 somewhat somewhat vague and open in 02:28:00.719 --> 02:28:02.840 order to let staff have a a wide sort of 02:28:02.920 --> 02:28:05.200 ranging left and right of Arc to 02:28:05.280 --> 02:28:06.319 essentially come up with any sort of 02:28:06.399 --> 02:28:07.719 ideas that can help with the cost of 02:28:07.799 --> 02:28:09.920 living pressures that are placed on 02:28:10.000 --> 02:28:11.440 people I do note that they've already 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:13.840 put some sort of measure in there 02:28:13.920 --> 02:28:15.680 which is actually quite encouraging all 02:28:15.760 --> 02:28:17.920 already so it's it's just a report 02:28:18.000 --> 02:28:20.040 and that's all I'm asking for thank you 02:28:20.120 --> 02:28:22.000 thank you councelor councelor 02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:25.000 MacDonald okay councelor 02:28:25.079 --> 02:28:26.840 Preston 02:28:26.920 --> 02:28:30.000 well I I congratulate councelor 02:28:30.079 --> 02:28:33.079 schwarer on on progressing a a campaign 02:28:33.159 --> 02:28:35.239 commitment I cannot help but point out 02:28:35.319 --> 02:28:37.159 that the internal logic of The Proposal 02:28:37.239 --> 02:28:39.840 that he's put forward is is a bit flawed 02:28:39.920 --> 02:28:41.440 while the intent is to address the 02:28:41.520 --> 02:28:43.600 significant cost of living issues faced 02:28:43.680 --> 02:28:46.719 by qprc rate payers really the only rate 02:28:46.799 --> 02:28:48.280 payers who would be in a position to pay 02:28:48.360 --> 02:28:50.600 their rates in a lp s and achieve 02:28:50.680 --> 02:28:52.520 this discount are those rate payers who 02:28:52.600 --> 02:28:54.399 are less impacted by the pervasive cost 02:28:54.479 --> 02:28:56.479 of living challenges that he mentions 02:28:56.559 --> 02:28:58.920 and those that who could afford to do so 02:28:59.000 --> 02:29:00.879 the majority of rate payers pay on a 02:29:00.959 --> 02:29:03.079 quarterly basis for the very reason that 02:29:03.159 --> 02:29:05.079 doing so has a lower impact on their 02:29:05.159 --> 02:29:07.520 already stretched household finances 02:29:07.600 --> 02:29:09.440 indeed those facing the greatest 02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:10.760 hardship from the cost of living 02:29:10.840 --> 02:29:12.760 challenges are less likely to be 02:29:12.840 --> 02:29:15.159 homeowners and will therefore receive 02:29:15.239 --> 02:29:17.159 little benefit from the recommendation 02:29:17.239 --> 02:29:19.079 contained in the notice of motion in 02:29:19.159 --> 02:29:22.120 qprc this is nearly 20% of the 02:29:22.200 --> 02:29:24.120 population while as the report 02:29:24.200 --> 02:29:26.239 accompanying the notice of motion notes 02:29:26.319 --> 02:29:28.079 there has been an increase in rate 02:29:28.159 --> 02:29:29.920 payers falling into hardship because of 02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:32.559 rate Rises this increase is described in 02:29:32.639 --> 02:29:35.600 the qprc affordability assessment as 02:29:35.680 --> 02:29:38.559 slight and in any case Falls well be 02:29:38.639 --> 02:29:42.159 below the official sorry be below the 02:29:42.239 --> 02:29:44.639 office of local government Benchmark of 02:29:44.719 --> 02:29:48.280 of less than 10% QPR C's rate is 02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:50.799 7.8% and this also so reflects a 02:29:50.879 --> 02:29:52.559 year-on-year trend that is actually 02:29:52.639 --> 02:29:55.360 declining no counselor in this place 02:29:55.440 --> 02:29:57.200 is blind to the difficulties households 02:29:57.280 --> 02:29:59.920 face across the households across the 02:30:00.000 --> 02:30:03.040 LGA face with the cost of living 02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:05.120 which is why Council extended the 02:30:05.200 --> 02:30:07.200 provisions of its hardship policy 02:30:07.280 --> 02:30:08.840 suspended all debt recovery action 02:30:08.920 --> 02:30:12.120 during 2020 and 2021 and adopted a 02:30:12.200 --> 02:30:15.319 revised hardship policy in January 2022 02:30:15.399 --> 02:30:17.200 that incorporated and endorsed the 02:30:17.280 --> 02:30:19.120 additional measures and which these 02:30:19.200 --> 02:30:20.799 additional measures and which seeks to 02:30:20.879 --> 02:30:23.040 maximize the assistance Council can 02:30:23.120 --> 02:30:25.000 provide to ratee payers who find 02:30:25.079 --> 02:30:27.319 themselves in difficulty while I applaud 02:30:27.399 --> 02:30:29.559 the intent of the motion to address cost 02:30:29.639 --> 02:30:31.840 of living issues for the region issues 02:30:31.920 --> 02:30:33.879 that are as Council schet has pointed 02:30:33.959 --> 02:30:36.120 out front of mine for federal state and 02:30:36.200 --> 02:30:38.479 territory governments commissioning a 02:30:38.559 --> 02:30:40.600 report that even from the auor author's 02:30:40.680 --> 02:30:43.479 rough assessment indicates a significant 02:30:43.559 --> 02:30:47.200 and I his quote is $2.3 million cost to 02:30:47.280 --> 02:30:49.399 council and which will only return 02:30:49.479 --> 02:30:51.280 findings that show the impost of this 02:30:51.360 --> 02:30:53.639 cost to council's budget and no real 02:30:53.719 --> 02:30:56.360 Improvement to tax to rate payers is not 02:30:56.440 --> 02:30:58.520 warranted Council does a great job in 02:30:58.600 --> 02:31:00.319 monitoring and assessing the impact of 02:31:00.399 --> 02:31:02.680 rates on household incomes in the region 02:31:02.760 --> 02:31:04.319 and a further report would be 02:31:04.399 --> 02:31:06.600 duplicative at best and a waste of 02:31:06.680 --> 02:31:08.840 council resources at 02:31:08.920 --> 02:31:11.120 worst thank you councelor Preston 02:31:11.200 --> 02:31:13.680 further discussion councelor 02:31:13.760 --> 02:31:17.200 Wilson thank you mayor I I going to 02:31:17.280 --> 02:31:21.159 speak against this notice a motion 02:31:21.239 --> 02:31:24.600 I accept that and there may be 02:31:24.680 --> 02:31:26.200 some council is thinking it's only a 02:31:26.280 --> 02:31:28.799 report but there's no need to advance 02:31:28.879 --> 02:31:32.440 bad policy no one first comment 02:31:32.520 --> 02:31:34.719 I'd make you know we both all handed out 02:31:34.799 --> 02:31:37.040 mini mini how of votes and and no one 02:31:37.120 --> 02:31:38.840 raised this with me on the booth saying 02:31:38.920 --> 02:31:40.440 you know we need to get this cash back 02:31:40.520 --> 02:31:44.000 because I think they accepted that 02:31:44.079 --> 02:31:45.799 you know we don't get a tax back on tax 02:31:45.879 --> 02:31:48.000 paid on time we just pay our pay our tax 02:31:48.079 --> 02:31:50.399 that they did accept that there was an 02:31:50.479 --> 02:31:53.520 SRV we went out to the community and 02:31:53.600 --> 02:31:55.600 we and we made the point that in and 02:31:55.680 --> 02:31:57.520 we're in the second year of that SRV 02:31:57.600 --> 02:31:59.559 that we to achieve this is what the the 02:31:59.639 --> 02:32:01.520 submission to iart said we want to 02:32:01.600 --> 02:32:03.559 achieve a break even operating result 02:32:03.639 --> 02:32:06.440 not a not a deficit or you know or 02:32:06.520 --> 02:32:08.040 Surplus result Break Even operating 02:32:08.120 --> 02:32:10.079 result have sufficient cast to continue 02:32:10.159 --> 02:32:11.879 service provision and maintain 02:32:11.959 --> 02:32:13.120 infrastructure at levels that are 02:32:13.200 --> 02:32:16.159 acceptable to the community so iart 02:32:16.239 --> 02:32:19.000 accepted that argent and we went 02:32:19.079 --> 02:32:22.239 on with the S V so we have to talk about 02:32:22.319 --> 02:32:24.079 and and council is in voting for this 02:32:24.159 --> 02:32:25.760 motion because it does kick a process 02:32:25.840 --> 02:32:27.520 off even though it's only a report 02:32:27.600 --> 02:32:29.120 should think about where that potential 02:32:29.200 --> 02:32:31.520 2 million would come from the 2425 02:32:31.600 --> 02:32:34.239 budget has 61 million in rates so 2 02:32:34.319 --> 02:32:35.440 million is probably assing a lot of 02:32:35.520 --> 02:32:37.120 people take advantage of it now those 02:32:37.200 --> 02:32:38.360 people that will take advantage of it as 02:32:38.440 --> 02:32:39.680 councilor Preston pointed out might be 02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:41.399 someone like myself that have Equity 02:32:41.479 --> 02:32:43.879 available get that get that kicker 02:32:43.959 --> 02:32:45.159 but the very people that might be 02:32:45.239 --> 02:32:46.520 struggling to make the payment aren't 02:32:46.600 --> 02:32:48.760 going to have the cash to so it's not 02:32:48.840 --> 02:32:50.559 going to really actually help those 02:32:50.639 --> 02:32:51.600 people it's just going to help those 02:32:51.680 --> 02:32:53.639 that can afford it so it's the wrong 02:32:53.719 --> 02:32:55.879 assption in the policy you have to ask 02:32:55.959 --> 02:32:57.840 yourself with that $2 million you know 02:32:57.920 --> 02:33:00.159 what what are we going to cut councilors 02:33:00.239 --> 02:33:01.520 there are Cricket Nets that we can't 02:33:01.600 --> 02:33:03.079 repair and we can't you know fix up 02:33:03.159 --> 02:33:04.399 because we haven't got enough money we 02:33:04.479 --> 02:33:06.360 can't build we haven't built a fresh 02:33:06.440 --> 02:33:08.120 meter of path that wasn't funded by the 02:33:08.200 --> 02:33:09.559 state government we are not in a 02:33:09.639 --> 02:33:12.520 position to start providing $2 02:33:12.600 --> 02:33:14.440 million out of our budget for the 02:33:14.520 --> 02:33:16.639 because we still haven't reached our 02:33:16.719 --> 02:33:18.079 maintain the infrastructure at levels 02:33:18.159 --> 02:33:19.719 that are acceptable to the community 02:33:19.799 --> 02:33:22.600 and build some fresh infrastructure 02:33:22.680 --> 02:33:26.319 the last point I'd make and why also 02:33:26.399 --> 02:33:28.840 voting against this is we're not opposed 02:33:28.920 --> 02:33:31.200 to increasing and helping further 02:33:31.280 --> 02:33:33.200 support and I will be bringing 02:33:33.280 --> 02:33:35.479 forward an increase to the pension or 02:33:35.559 --> 02:33:37.559 rebate in the next in the next budget 02:33:37.639 --> 02:33:39.399 where I think they are people that do 02:33:39.479 --> 02:33:41.120 need support with cost of living it 02:33:41.200 --> 02:33:42.360 would be better if we had to be had to 02:33:42.440 --> 02:33:43.680 put that net a bit waterer than the 02:33:43.760 --> 02:33:45.120 pension but the pension and the rebate 02:33:45.200 --> 02:33:46.440 is the best place to do that to help 02:33:46.520 --> 02:33:48.000 people that are struggling to meet 02:33:48.079 --> 02:33:50.239 those rates and and do that so for those 02:33:50.319 --> 02:33:52.200 reasons wrong assption where's the 02:33:52.280 --> 02:33:53.600 cuts going to come from what's going to 02:33:53.680 --> 02:33:55.959 go without I'll be voting against it 02:33:56.040 --> 02:33:57.959 thank you very much thank you councelor 02:33:58.040 --> 02:34:00.760 Wilson councelor Broadband I have a 02:34:00.840 --> 02:34:03.840 question for councelor schit I just 02:34:03.920 --> 02:34:06.360 looking in the details of your notice 02:34:06.440 --> 02:34:08.520 a motion here did you say I can't seem 02:34:08.600 --> 02:34:11.639 to find a reference to the on time being 02:34:11.719 --> 02:34:14.760 in relation to a on per year basis 02:34:14.840 --> 02:34:16.959 was that your original intent as 02:34:17.040 --> 02:34:18.799 suggested by the other councilors 02:34:18.879 --> 02:34:21.159 councelor schwarer no as I deliberately 02:34:21.239 --> 02:34:22.440 left that sort of detail out for the 02:34:22.520 --> 02:34:24.319 staff to actually report on lp s 02:34:24.399 --> 02:34:26.360 quarterly it doesn't matter as long 02:34:26.440 --> 02:34:27.879 as it's paid on time it was was 02:34:27.959 --> 02:34:29.959 essentially the only criteria that I 02:34:30.040 --> 02:34:31.760 that I was was looking for but again 02:34:31.840 --> 02:34:32.920 this is up to the staff that could 02:34:33.000 --> 02:34:34.120 actually bring some of these argents 02:34:34.200 --> 02:34:36.600 up that are been presented tonight in a 02:34:36.680 --> 02:34:39.799 proper seually researched factual 02:34:39.879 --> 02:34:42.319 report wonderful thank you cancel 02:34:42.399 --> 02:34:43.920 Brad I'm actually going to go to staff a 02:34:44.000 --> 02:34:45.360 comment cuz in the staff comment they 02:34:45.440 --> 02:34:47.959 actually address the MH the question 02:34:48.040 --> 02:34:50.479 that you're asking so the CFO able to 02:34:50.559 --> 02:34:52.600 make comment on what council is talking 02:34:52.680 --> 02:34:54.600 about in the fact of paying rates 02:34:54.680 --> 02:34:57.799 quarterly or 02:34:57.879 --> 02:35:01.200 annually thank you Mr Mayor in our 02:35:01.280 --> 02:35:04.639 assessment of this notice of motion 02:35:04.719 --> 02:35:07.280 the majority of councils who do offer 02:35:07.360 --> 02:35:12.399 this offer it to upfront full payment 02:35:12.479 --> 02:35:16.200 of rates due by the 31st of August not 02:35:16.280 --> 02:35:19.319 necessarily on a quarterly basis how 02:35:19.399 --> 02:35:22.559 we could manage that logistically is 02:35:22.639 --> 02:35:25.440 something we would have to think 02:35:25.520 --> 02:35:28.840 through coun Robin I guess yeah so that 02:35:28.920 --> 02:35:30.799 that would lead me to Guess that you 02:35:30.879 --> 02:35:31.959 know that would be a thing that would be 02:35:32.040 --> 02:35:35.879 fleshed out in the report which I 02:35:35.959 --> 02:35:37.600 you know obviously would be a value and 02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:39.879 if it that that's a game Cher then and 02:35:39.959 --> 02:35:42.399 means we can't proceed with that policy 02:35:42.479 --> 02:35:44.719 there's there's no issues there 02:35:44.799 --> 02:35:45.920 that's that's why we would want we would 02:35:46.000 --> 02:35:47.959 want to report on that and I would 02:35:48.040 --> 02:35:50.319 say that we're not voting councilor 02:35:50.399 --> 02:35:52.360 Wilson on advancing a policy today we're 02:35:52.440 --> 02:35:54.399 looking to get information on how so we 02:35:54.479 --> 02:35:55.840 have the opportunity to make better 02:35:55.920 --> 02:35:58.479 policy for the 02:35:58.559 --> 02:36:00.879 community Through you further further 02:36:00.959 --> 02:36:03.120 discussion councilors councelor 02:36:03.200 --> 02:36:04.959 Livermore then councelor Grundy y just 02:36:05.040 --> 02:36:06.840 through this report how much would this 02:36:06.920 --> 02:36:09.920 be Financial to to staff and Council 02:36:10.000 --> 02:36:12.440 to bring this report 02:36:12.520 --> 02:36:14.799 together is this a question for this is 02:36:14.879 --> 02:36:16.520 a question for 02:36:16.600 --> 02:36:19.719 staff so it may be difficult for them to 02:36:19.799 --> 02:36:21.639 cuz they haven't done full Research into 02:36:21.719 --> 02:36:23.399 it it might be better off to ask 02:36:23.479 --> 02:36:26.159 councilor SW just how that figure in 02:36:26.239 --> 02:36:28.159 there came up how much yeah the figure 02:36:28.239 --> 02:36:33.639 that you came up with that's the two 2.3 02:36:33.719 --> 02:36:36.040 million it was looking at the nber of 02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:39.200 of rate payers that we have already 02:36:39.280 --> 02:36:40.479 and the nber of people who are 02:36:40.559 --> 02:36:43.280 actually defaulted already H and 02:36:43.360 --> 02:36:44.680 basically coming up with a with a a 02:36:44.760 --> 02:36:46.440 figure of how many people might want to 02:36:46.520 --> 02:36:47.920 get off that system and how many people 02:36:48.000 --> 02:36:50.079 might be eligible for that if they 02:36:50.159 --> 02:36:51.680 actually say so essentially the total 02:36:51.760 --> 02:36:54.479 nber of people in the in the qpc not 02:36:54.559 --> 02:36:57.040 everyone's going to be able to make 02:36:57.120 --> 02:36:59.079 make that that's understandable but 02:36:59.159 --> 02:37:01.159 it does provide just an incentive in 02:37:01.239 --> 02:37:02.879 some respects to try and get it on time 02:37:02.959 --> 02:37:04.520 because well I'll finish I'm starting to 02:37:04.600 --> 02:37:06.239 s up so I'll finish that but yes 02:37:06.319 --> 02:37:07.280 that's where the the figure came from 02:37:07.360 --> 02:37:08.440 just looking at the nber of rate 02:37:08.520 --> 02:37:10.840 payers in total that we have 02:37:10.920 --> 02:37:13.680 okay anything further Council liore 02:37:13.760 --> 02:37:14.680 councelor 02:37:14.760 --> 02:37:18.639 Grundy thank you Mr Mayor I I'm 02:37:18.719 --> 02:37:21.040 tending to be supportive of this simply 02:37:21.120 --> 02:37:22.760 because all it's doing is seeking 02:37:22.840 --> 02:37:24.440 information and we shouldn't be afraid 02:37:24.520 --> 02:37:25.360 of 02:37:25.440 --> 02:37:29.799 information and in this case it it 02:37:29.879 --> 02:37:32.959 seeks to take Financial pressure off 02:37:33.040 --> 02:37:36.680 rate payers that Endeavor to pay on 02:37:36.760 --> 02:37:40.959 time and that seems to be a positive 02:37:41.040 --> 02:37:45.760 in my view I I I tend to disagree 02:37:45.840 --> 02:37:48.120 with what has been said here about who 02:37:48.200 --> 02:37:51.079 is under fin icial pressure in our local 02:37:51.159 --> 02:37:54.760 government area it's more people 02:37:54.840 --> 02:37:58.319 than some might think are under 02:37:58.399 --> 02:38:02.440 pressure only this afternoon I spoke 02:38:02.520 --> 02:38:07.520 to some businesses here and they 02:38:07.600 --> 02:38:10.680 are under extreme pressure to such an 02:38:10.760 --> 02:38:12.120 extent they're wondering whether they're 02:38:12.200 --> 02:38:15.399 going to be here next year and one of 02:38:15.479 --> 02:38:17.760 those has been operating in excess of 40 02:38:17.840 --> 02:38:20.280 years in the mainstream 02:38:20.360 --> 02:38:22.479 so if there's a capacity for this 02:38:22.559 --> 02:38:25.879 Council to find ways to take some 02:38:25.959 --> 02:38:29.319 pressure off and good luck to people 02:38:29.399 --> 02:38:33.639 if they save and find ways to find 02:38:33.719 --> 02:38:36.000 the funding where they can pay their 02:38:36.079 --> 02:38:38.799 rates on time therefore save a bit of 02:38:38.879 --> 02:38:41.440 money then this should be something we 02:38:41.520 --> 02:38:43.280 consider thank 02:38:43.360 --> 02:38:45.680 you thank you councilor 02:38:45.760 --> 02:38:50.360 Willis thank you I had 02:38:50.440 --> 02:38:52.959 I had a question for the Mover but I 02:38:53.040 --> 02:38:57.239 think that's been answered about well 02:38:57.319 --> 02:38:59.959 in the case of whether this proposal 02:39:00.040 --> 02:39:02.760 would apply to quarterly or annual 02:39:02.840 --> 02:39:05.520 payments an increasing nber of people 02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:07.120 I've been speaking to have moved to 02:39:07.200 --> 02:39:10.040 fortnightly payments which is in 02:39:10.120 --> 02:39:14.920 sync with how they're paid so 02:39:15.000 --> 02:39:17.479 have you has the council schwier turned 02:39:17.559 --> 02:39:20.159 his mind to whether he 02:39:20.239 --> 02:39:22.239 his proposal would Encompass that and 02:39:22.319 --> 02:39:23.799 course the staff haven't commented on 02:39:23.879 --> 02:39:27.479 whether that's even technically 02:39:27.559 --> 02:39:30.360 feasible and the cost of such a policy 02:39:30.440 --> 02:39:33.120 is that a question for Council schwarer 02:39:33.200 --> 02:39:35.879 you go happy to try and address it I'll 02:39:35.959 --> 02:39:37.559 address the first part again it's 02:39:37.639 --> 02:39:39.120 it's left deliberately V in order for 02:39:39.200 --> 02:39:41.959 count staff to come up with I 02:39:42.040 --> 02:39:44.159 guess in innovative ideas about 02:39:44.239 --> 02:39:47.319 whether this does apply to quarterly 02:39:47.399 --> 02:39:50.479 bi-weekly annual slp com s whatever 02:39:50.559 --> 02:39:52.040 the best way to achieve this the best 02:39:52.120 --> 02:39:53.959 way to actually achieve the intent of 02:39:54.040 --> 02:39:56.520 the policy I as I said I'm 02:39:56.600 --> 02:39:59.040 deliberately avoiding any detail in 02:39:59.120 --> 02:40:01.000 order just to sort of give the staff 02:40:01.079 --> 02:40:03.159 greater latitude to come up with a with 02:40:03.239 --> 02:40:05.840 a potentially and idea as to help in 02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:08.639 not only our rate payers but also 02:40:08.719 --> 02:40:12.280 again I'm sming up again help our 02:40:12.360 --> 02:40:15.000 our financial stability but I I'll I 02:40:15.079 --> 02:40:16.399 hope that addresses some of the 02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:18.840 questions thank you may I speak 02:40:18.920 --> 02:40:21.399 against the the motion thank you might I 02:40:21.479 --> 02:40:23.719 say I think the the lack of detail is 02:40:23.799 --> 02:40:26.239 the starting problem for this proposal 02:40:26.319 --> 02:40:28.239 because if one goes to an election 02:40:28.319 --> 02:40:30.239 campaign promising to to deliver 02:40:30.319 --> 02:40:32.680 something without explaining the full 02:40:32.760 --> 02:40:35.440 implications of the cost of that and the 02:40:35.520 --> 02:40:37.120 choices that would be have have to be 02:40:37.200 --> 02:40:39.879 made I think that's that's not an 02:40:39.959 --> 02:40:41.680 ideal position to be in and and 02:40:41.760 --> 02:40:44.040 essentially councilor schw could bought 02:40:44.120 --> 02:40:45.920 an election policy which he's quite 02:40:46.000 --> 02:40:49.319 entitled to do but that that didn't 02:40:49.399 --> 02:40:52.040 actually include any of the specifics I 02:40:52.120 --> 02:40:54.319 think the SRV was designed in Quant 02:40:54.399 --> 02:40:56.559 and timing to ensure council did not run 02:40:56.639 --> 02:40:58.959 out of funds to pay its creditors or be 02:40:59.040 --> 02:41:01.120 forced to close facilities make 02:41:01.200 --> 02:41:03.200 substantial increases in fees cut 02:41:03.280 --> 02:41:06.239 services and sell assets the reason 02:41:06.319 --> 02:41:08.920 council did not adopt a lower annual SRV 02:41:09.000 --> 02:41:11.840 or one spread out over four or 5 years 02:41:11.920 --> 02:41:14.399 was because modeling of that showed we 02:41:14.479 --> 02:41:16.319 would not raise sufficient Revenue to 02:41:16.399 --> 02:41:18.719 reverse the deteriorating Financial sit 02:41:18.799 --> 02:41:21.959 situation soon enough during preparation 02:41:22.040 --> 02:41:24.959 of the 2425 budget councilors had to 02:41:25.040 --> 02:41:26.879 choose from a long list of worthy and 02:41:26.959 --> 02:41:29.440 Justified spending proposals only a 02:41:29.520 --> 02:41:31.360 handful that could be funded without 02:41:31.440 --> 02:41:33.000 undermining the work towards the 02:41:33.079 --> 02:41:35.040 long-term sustainable financial 02:41:35.120 --> 02:41:38.520 management of our council at no time in 02:41:38.600 --> 02:41:40.280 the past three years serving as a 02:41:40.360 --> 02:41:42.559 counselor has anyone I've spoken with 02:41:42.639 --> 02:41:44.840 suggested the council should spend less 02:41:44.920 --> 02:41:47.559 on community assets reduce services or 02:41:47.639 --> 02:41:50.280 impose full cost recovery on fees like 02:41:50.360 --> 02:41:52.879 pool entry and sporting field use in 02:41:52.959 --> 02:41:54.879 fact we've been able to reduce or keep 02:41:54.959 --> 02:41:57.360 steady some of those fees to users at 02:41:57.440 --> 02:41:59.239 the same time as offering substantial 02:41:59.319 --> 02:42:01.680 discounts on meeting room hire for local 02:42:01.760 --> 02:42:03.879 community groups not to mention free 02:42:03.959 --> 02:42:06.879 pool entry for Resident younger 02:42:06.959 --> 02:42:09.360 children the rates increase has also 02:42:09.440 --> 02:42:11.399 provided funding to double the Lo local 02:42:11.479 --> 02:42:13.440 road maintenance staff from two cruise 02:42:13.520 --> 02:42:15.600 to four in response to community 02:42:15.680 --> 02:42:17.879 representations on the need to be able 02:42:17.959 --> 02:42:19.600 to deliver more time 02:42:19.680 --> 02:42:22.520 improvements item 10.4 on this business 02:42:22.600 --> 02:42:25.399 paper which we've recently dealt with 02:42:25.479 --> 02:42:27.440 demonstrated the improvements that 02:42:27.520 --> 02:42:29.120 increased rates revenue is delivering 02:42:29.200 --> 02:42:31.520 for our community much improved planning 02:42:31.600 --> 02:42:33.719 approval times and a streamlined 02:42:33.799 --> 02:42:36.239 approach it is very it's a very good 02:42:36.319 --> 02:42:38.479 return for the relatively modest outlay 02:42:38.559 --> 02:42:40.159 of an extra 02:42:40.239 --> 02:42:43.280 $500,000 which we voted for this budget 02:42:43.360 --> 02:42:45.200 to fund several additional staff 02:42:45.280 --> 02:42:47.200 positions and the adoption of some more 02:42:47.280 --> 02:42:49.799 efficient work practices increased rates 02:42:49.879 --> 02:42:51.719 revenue is also being used to ensure 02:42:51.799 --> 02:42:53.520 adequate provision is made for staff 02:42:53.600 --> 02:42:55.719 leave entitlements and these funds are 02:42:55.799 --> 02:42:57.559 now placed in a reserve which wasn't the 02:42:57.639 --> 02:43:01.200 case previously since adopting the 2425 02:43:01.280 --> 02:43:03.440 operational plan Council has been 02:43:03.520 --> 02:43:05.559 advised of the following unbudgeted 02:43:05.639 --> 02:43:08.360 impacts the Valwood General has notified 02:43:08.440 --> 02:43:09.959 that they'll be removing Commonwealth 02:43:10.040 --> 02:43:12.239 properties from our rates rle likely to 02:43:12.319 --> 02:43:13.280 cost 02:43:13.360 --> 02:43:16.040 $191,000 this year alone the value of 02:43:16.120 --> 02:43:18.399 general has also proposed through ipot 02:43:18.479 --> 02:43:22.200 to increase by 27% the fee it charges us 02:43:22.280 --> 02:43:24.680 to undertake land valuations used for 02:43:24.760 --> 02:43:27.159 rating purposes 02:43:27.239 --> 02:43:29.600 $587,000 was required for Works to 02:43:29.680 --> 02:43:31.639 enable the queenan animal Management 02:43:31.719 --> 02:43:34.079 Facility to reopen and there's an 02:43:34.159 --> 02:43:36.399 additional unfunded $11 million for an 02:43:36.479 --> 02:43:38.559 alternative energy supply to the new 02:43:38.639 --> 02:43:40.920 queenan surage treatment plant there are 02:43:41.000 --> 02:43:43.639 other unknown but uncosted Financial 02:43:43.719 --> 02:43:45.840 liabilities which include rectifying the 02:43:45.920 --> 02:43:48.360 captain's flat pool leak and Remediation 02:43:48.440 --> 02:43:50.440 of council's lead affected properties in 02:43:50.520 --> 02:43:53.040 that town the general fund is still in 02:43:53.120 --> 02:43:55.600 deficit personally I don't see the scope 02:43:55.680 --> 02:43:57.879 for cutting at least 2.3 million from 02:43:57.959 --> 02:44:00.280 the annual budget without necessitating 02:44:00.360 --> 02:44:02.159 the kind of deep cuts and related 02:44:02.239 --> 02:44:05.200 measures that the SRV is designed to 02:44:05.280 --> 02:44:08.360 avoid I also fail to see how offering 02:44:08.440 --> 02:44:11.200 discounts to people who can afford to 02:44:11.280 --> 02:44:14.680 pay upfront and I'll admit that 02:44:14.760 --> 02:44:16.280 doesn't mean they're flush with funds 02:44:16.360 --> 02:44:18.360 that they may make that effort if there 02:44:18.440 --> 02:44:19.479 is an incentive 02:44:19.559 --> 02:44:21.680 but is it really helping the people who 02:44:21.760 --> 02:44:23.799 might need help the most I'm not sure 02:44:23.879 --> 02:44:26.760 that it is so I'm not prepared to 02:44:26.840 --> 02:44:28.600 support this motion because even though 02:44:28.680 --> 02:44:30.600 it's only asking for a report it's 02:44:30.680 --> 02:44:33.399 asking for a report on something that is 02:44:33.479 --> 02:44:36.079 not feasible to fund without making the 02:44:36.159 --> 02:44:39.040 very Cuts this difficult journey of 02:44:39.120 --> 02:44:40.680 getting to financial 02:44:40.760 --> 02:44:43.239 sustainability that we're on with the 02:44:43.319 --> 02:44:44.920 community we would undermine all the 02:44:45.000 --> 02:44:46.440 work that's been done today that's what 02:44:46.520 --> 02:44:47.760 I 02:44:47.840 --> 02:44:50.360 fear thank thank you counselor Is there 02:44:50.440 --> 02:44:52.200 further discussion 02:44:52.280 --> 02:44:54.120 counselors I just got a couple of 02:44:54.200 --> 02:44:55.600 comments councelor swag before I go to 02:44:55.680 --> 02:44:59.879 you I won't take too long I know 02:44:59.959 --> 02:45:01.920 some councilors will say that you know 02:45:02.000 --> 02:45:04.000 this is just a report but to me it's 02:45:04.079 --> 02:45:06.879 actually offering false hope we have 02:45:06.959 --> 02:45:08.600 gone on a difficult Journey as a counsil 02:45:08.680 --> 02:45:10.760 over the last couple of years sitting 02:45:10.840 --> 02:45:12.559 in many meetings for many hours 02:45:12.639 --> 02:45:13.959 alongside the general manager talking 02:45:14.040 --> 02:45:16.000 about the need for us to increase rates 02:45:16.079 --> 02:45:17.600 so that we do get the general fund out 02:45:17.680 --> 02:45:20.799 of deficit and it is in deficit then we 02:45:20.879 --> 02:45:22.760 have this suggestion here where we 02:45:22.840 --> 02:45:26.440 can potentially somehow Survive by 02:45:26.520 --> 02:45:28.440 decreasing our rates income by $2 02:45:28.520 --> 02:45:30.719 million I know you tried to put together 02:45:30.799 --> 02:45:32.319 that figure 02:45:32.399 --> 02:45:34.799 just to how to come up with a figure 02:45:34.879 --> 02:45:36.760 but to me I I just can't follow the 02:45:36.840 --> 02:45:37.719 logic 02:45:37.799 --> 02:45:40.440 how people who are currently defaulting 02:45:40.520 --> 02:45:42.200 or not able to pay their rates all of a 02:45:42.280 --> 02:45:44.760 sudden are going to be able to pay their 02:45:44.840 --> 02:45:47.079 full rates in full for a year I know I I 02:45:47.159 --> 02:45:49.360 couldn't do I couldn't do that 02:45:49.440 --> 02:45:51.120 I think it is a noble cause I think it's 02:45:51.200 --> 02:45:52.440 something we do need to look at as a 02:45:52.520 --> 02:45:54.559 council I think it would be outstanding 02:45:54.639 --> 02:45:56.000 if we were able to get councel Wilson 02:45:56.079 --> 02:45:58.200 and Scher to work together to come up 02:45:58.280 --> 02:46:00.719 with a more targeted approach to 02:46:00.799 --> 02:46:03.520 reducing the cost of living outcome 02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:05.079 for for our rate pay I think that 02:46:05.159 --> 02:46:06.600 would be a great outcome for us as a 02:46:06.680 --> 02:46:09.239 council and and for the community so as 02:46:09.319 --> 02:46:10.760 I said I think it's a noble cause but I 02:46:10.840 --> 02:46:13.440 just can't support what council 02:46:13.520 --> 02:46:16.040 swar has put forward and I'll now 02:46:16.120 --> 02:46:19.319 allow him to s up debate 02:46:19.399 --> 02:46:21.520 thank you again I'm not asking for 02:46:21.600 --> 02:46:24.959 $2.3 million that would be up to the 02:46:25.040 --> 02:46:26.360 staff to say what that actual figure 02:46:26.440 --> 02:46:28.280 probably could be and more importantly 02:46:28.360 --> 02:46:30.040 where it would come from I'm not going 02:46:30.120 --> 02:46:31.200 to say where it's going to come from or 02:46:31.280 --> 02:46:32.920 how it's going what's going to affect or 02:46:33.000 --> 02:46:35.239 if it can be if it can be achieved 02:46:35.319 --> 02:46:36.879 that's up to the report that's what I'm 02:46:36.959 --> 02:46:39.280 asking for at least it's it's a step in 02:46:39.360 --> 02:46:41.040 the right direction to see if we can do 02:46:41.120 --> 02:46:43.239 something if it says we can't do 02:46:43.319 --> 02:46:45.479 something well then we don't do it it's 02:46:45.559 --> 02:46:48.239 just a report the way I look at it to 02:46:48.319 --> 02:46:50.280 the SV giving us an extra what $32 02:46:50.360 --> 02:46:53.879 million in income after the the 02:46:53.959 --> 02:46:57.639 third SRV so 2.3 that I put in here it's 02:46:57.719 --> 02:47:00.319 the maxim it's the maxim but it 02:47:00.399 --> 02:47:02.280 still provides an incentive the thing 02:47:02.360 --> 02:47:03.520 other thing I'm I'm a little worried 02:47:03.600 --> 02:47:05.159 about is when you take everyone off the 02:47:05.239 --> 02:47:08.479 payment plans and out of the the the 02:47:08.559 --> 02:47:11.200 policy sort of characteristics or or 02:47:11.280 --> 02:47:13.799 details of the hardship we actually 02:47:13.879 --> 02:47:15.959 don't have that Benchmark we are far 02:47:16.040 --> 02:47:17.360 beyond that Benchmark and that's the 02:47:17.440 --> 02:47:19.000 thing that worries me because we 02:47:19.079 --> 02:47:20.200 actually need to have Financial 02:47:20.280 --> 02:47:21.920 stability and just saying that you're on 02:47:22.000 --> 02:47:23.639 a plan doesn't provide Financial 02:47:23.719 --> 02:47:26.040 stability as the Yas Yas GM recently 02:47:26.120 --> 02:47:29.559 found out so I'd really like to make 02:47:29.639 --> 02:47:31.040 sure we have that Financial stability by 02:47:31.120 --> 02:47:33.319 giving some sort of incentive to see if 02:47:33.399 --> 02:47:35.559 we can do that come up with a better 02:47:35.639 --> 02:47:37.159 one that'd be great if someone could do 02:47:37.239 --> 02:47:39.600 that I'd be more than happy to to 02:47:39.680 --> 02:47:41.639 support that again it's just when the 02:47:41.719 --> 02:47:43.639 SRV was put as I said the the full 02:47:43.719 --> 02:47:45.079 implications of the cost of living 02:47:45.159 --> 02:47:47.120 crisis wasn't understood they've 02:47:47.200 --> 02:47:49.440 gotten worse so so it's just a case 02:47:49.520 --> 02:47:51.079 of this let's just look at what we 02:47:51.159 --> 02:47:53.159 potentially can do for our rate payers 02:47:53.239 --> 02:47:54.440 I'm a little disappointed that people 02:47:54.520 --> 02:47:56.120 keep bringing up an election 02:47:56.200 --> 02:47:58.280 policy rather than playing politics 02:47:58.360 --> 02:48:00.879 can we really just think about R payers 02:48:00.959 --> 02:48:03.239 you know forget the forget Party 02:48:03.319 --> 02:48:04.520 politics and that sort of thing yes it 02:48:04.600 --> 02:48:07.479 was a policy that we did but so what 02:48:07.559 --> 02:48:10.440 if if the report says it's doable if 02:48:10.520 --> 02:48:12.399 people want it then we can do it it's 02:48:12.479 --> 02:48:14.440 please just I don't understand why there 02:48:14.520 --> 02:48:16.079 has to be that's that's an 02:48:16.159 --> 02:48:18.879 issue anyway well let's let's let's see 02:48:18.959 --> 02:48:21.399 what we can do okay councilor we put the 02:48:21.479 --> 02:48:23.920 motion all those in favor councelor 02:48:24.000 --> 02:48:25.680 Broadbent councelor Grundy councelor 02:48:25.760 --> 02:48:28.159 MacDonald councelor scharett and those 02:48:28.239 --> 02:48:30.440 against councelor Livermore councelor 02:48:30.520 --> 02:48:32.200 Preston councel Waterhouse councelor 02:48:32.280 --> 02:48:33.680 Willis councel Wilson councelor 02:48:33.760 --> 02:48:35.799 Winchester and councel Taskovski I 02:48:35.879 --> 02:48:38.639 declare it lost counil the next item is 02:48:38.719 --> 02:48:41.079 13.1 which is delegates report Community 02:48:41.159 --> 02:48:43.719 safety and Precinct committee and we 02:48:43.799 --> 02:48:45.680 moved by councelor schwarer and seconded 02:48:45.760 --> 02:48:47.920 by councelor Winchester you like to 02:48:48.000 --> 02:48:50.280 speak to the EM C 02:48:50.360 --> 02:48:51.520 no I won't I'll leave the report 02:48:51.600 --> 02:48:53.959 speak for itself on this anyone has any 02:48:54.040 --> 02:48:56.079 questions is there any questions or 02:48:56.159 --> 02:48:58.200 discussion councellors if not we'll put 02:48:58.280 --> 02:49:00.280 the motion all those in favor that's 02:49:00.360 --> 02:49:03.040 unanimous and carried okay so we're now 02:49:03.120 --> 02:49:05.120 up to notice of intention deal with 02:49:05.200 --> 02:49:07.879 matters in closed session we don't have 02:49:07.959 --> 02:49:09.520 any members of the 02:49:09.600 --> 02:49:14.040 public so I'm happy to 02:49:15.239 --> 02:49:18.000 move yeah's he's showing us his logo 02:49:18.079 --> 02:49:20.120 there Cil 02:49:20.200 --> 02:49:22.440 so councilors we're not in close session 02:49:22.520 --> 02:49:24.319 yet I'm happy to move the recommendation 02:49:24.399 --> 02:49:25.840 in the business paper that we do move 02:49:25.920 --> 02:49:27.879 into close session and second to council 02:49:27.959 --> 02:49:29.719 press and we put that motion council's 02:49:29.799 --> 02:49:32.159 all in favor that's unanimous and 02:49:32.239 --> 02:49:35.520 carried and we'll move into close 02:49:36.319 --> 02:49:38.319 session we're back in Open Session 02:49:38.399 --> 02:49:40.600 counselor so item 16.1 which was 02:49:40.680 --> 02:49:43.280 compulsory acquisition from water New 02:49:43.360 --> 02:49:45.120 South Falls for Road widening Council 02:49:45.200 --> 02:49:46.840 resolved that Council approves one the 02:49:46.920 --> 02:49:48.280 compulsory acquisition by agreement of 02:49:48.360 --> 02:49:51.040 VAR I Parcels of land from water New 02:49:51.120 --> 02:49:52.559 South Wales for the purpose of Road and 02:49:52.639 --> 02:49:54.360 Bridge Works along narga Road Stewart's 02:49:54.440 --> 02:49:56.680 Crossing Road and Mayfield Road and two 02:49:56.760 --> 02:49:57.719 the making of an application to the 02:49:57.799 --> 02:49:58.879 minister of for local government and the 02:49:58.959 --> 02:50:00.280 making of an application to the governor 02:50:00.360 --> 02:50:02.079 for the compuls acquisition by agreement 02:50:02.159 --> 02:50:05.000 of The Following part Lots Lot 2 DP 02:50:05.079 --> 02:50:10.239 83605 lot 18 DP 754 916 and lot 63 DP 02:50:10.319 --> 02:50:15.639 754 916 Lots 10913 10611 14151 DP 755 02:50:15.719 --> 02:50:20.000 943 Lots 11511 16143 the D P 755 02:50:20.079 --> 02:50:23.360 943 item 02:50:24.479 --> 02:50:27.719 16.2 resolution resolu I'm being advised 02:50:27.799 --> 02:50:28.879 by the general manager that the 02:50:28.959 --> 02:50:32.319 resolution has been embargoed and item 02:50:32.399 --> 02:50:37.120 16.3 is Award of rft 02:50:47.639 --> 02:50:50.000 2024561414 plus threeyear optional 02:50:50.079 --> 02:50:52.760 extension contract term the councilors 02:50:52.840 --> 02:50:54.879 we've reached end of business paper it's 02:50:54.959 --> 02:50:57.280 851 I declare the meeting closed and 02:50:57.360 --> 02:50:59.680 wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and 02:50:59.760 --> 02:51:01.079 we will see you next year thank you 02:51:01.159 --> 02:51:05.000 councilors and thank you staff