good evening and welcome everyone to the
ordinary meeting of council for the 28th
of February
2024 a reminder to all in attendance that
tonight's meeting is being webcast live
and a recording of the meeting will be
archived to council's website I begin
today by acknowledging the traditional
custodians of the land on which we meet
and pay respects to Elders past present
and emerging and extend that respect to
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people here today
we acknowledge with stories traditions
and living cultures of Aboriginal and
Torres Strait Islander people on this land and
commit to building a brighter future
together we have no apologies this
evening councilors so we move on to
confirmation of minutes so I will move
that the minutes of the ordinary meeting
of council held in the Queanbeyan council
chambers on Wednesday February 14th be
confirmed and I'll ask for a second
councelor Preston councilors is there
any discussion on the
minutes if not we will put the motion
all those in
favor that's unanimous and carried we
move to disclosure of interests so I'll
move that councils and staff now
disclose any interests and reasons for
declaring such interest in the matters
under consideration by council at this
meeting and call for a second a
councelor
Preston uh thank you I'll put that
motion councilors all in favor that's
unanimous and carried and I will ask the
GM if we have any disclosures through
you Mr Mayor yes I do have a one notice
of pecuniary or non pecuniary interest
and it is from councelor Taskovski it is
regarding item number 9.3 which is the
amendment to the Jumping Creek voluntary
planning agreement 2021 on page number
eight it is a pecuniary interest it is
significant and the reason is because
council Taskovski is employed by Ian management
and partners and Council Taskovski proposes
to leave the
chamber thank you Mr Ryan okay
counselors the next item is the public
forso I'll move that the meeting be
ad joure to conduct the POX public forum
and call for a second uh councelor
MacDonald uh we'll move that council is
all in favor that's unanimous and
carried and we're now in the public
forand a reminder that the public
foris also being live streamed the
councilors tonight we have one presenter
via
zoom and we have two presenters here in
person with us so first we'll go to the
presenter via Zoom which
is Colleen
Christenson
okay the minute secretary will share it
can you hear us
Colleen you hear us
Colleen I can't
there we go we can but it's
hello yeah maybe you try with your video
off okay with the video
off
they
do we want to do the two people in
person try Colleen again after
that yeah I think I think we'll go that
way counselors and give us a bit more
time to sort out the issues there so
we'll move on to our
speakers oh 5
seconds I can't hear you Michael okay
there we go you can can hear us
Colleen I can hear you now can you hear
me yes we can that's much better thank
you for joining us tonight just a
reminder to let us know what agenda item
you're speaking to whe your for or
against the recommendation in the
business paper you'll have three minutes
with a wind up bell at two and a half
minutes great thank you probably trying
to get connected but I'll see how I go
so I'm Colleen Christensen and I'd like
to start by acknowledging the
traditional owners on the and respect to
Elders past and present I'm speaking
on agenda item
9.1 and I support the recommendation
in the paper there's things that I
want to say about the paper that's been
presented and I should just say at the
outset that I'm the president of the
Ferleigh Park Community Committee and the
? here
today about 600 residents on about
150 properties in Fernleigh Park it's a
rural residential area just south of ? the
other two points I make apart from
supporting recommendation in
9.1 is to implore counselors to push
back on the options being put forward in
the Consultants report on stage two of
Dunns Creek Road
looks at a recommendation around
the East State one of ? Road
but it flags the option paper being
developed on the western end and the
options for the full Dunns Creek Road
look we on the options we think they're
rubbish and they're wasting your time we
would ask you to push back on them and
ask for some viable options the third
thing I wanted to say is that Fernleigh
Park residents are going to issue an
invitation or Council LA to come and
meet with us at the Community Hall on
the 12th of March just to hear deep
concerns the Fernleigh Park of Community
about at least two of the options in the
draft Consultants paper on Dunns Creek
Road the agenda paper that you're
looking at on 91 say viable
options for viable option would be
something that's affordable direct
between Googong and Highway has minimal
social impact goes terrain any op
towards end that go
through any of those
criteria ? Road was rejected in
terms of the original route because of
the offsets issue we know that council's
? Park to see our way at the time
we spoke to a range of people and we
had from ? ? ?
and that they would not support a the
ground of social impact and because
theout just would be expensive and never
happen like in would need more like a
Shitz Creek Road so we would just like
you to think about that when you're
discussing the item we forward to
welcoming Council on the 12th of March
and we just want remind you that folk
out here are pretty about this because
their lives could be turned over even if
the ? paper resulted in a line on the
map being drawn properties dividing
properties dividing homes dividing lives
causing enormous disruption and anxiety
to the residents here thank you
that's all I wanted to say good
luck okay thank you for your
presentation counselors we now have two
presenters in person the first presenter
is going to be Kylie
Cone see thank you for joining us Kylie
you've been here before just let us know
which agenda item or items you're going
to be speaking to of you're for or
against the recommendations you'll have
3 minutes wind up bell at 2 and a
half uh good evening councilors my name
is Kylie Cone and I'm the planning and
development manager for Village Building
Company uh the first item I'd like to
speak to is item 9.1 and Village
supports a recommendation contained with
the within the business paper and thanks
staff for their work on the report in
terms of item 9.2 Village building
supports the first part of the staff
recommendation with regards to
progressing the planning proposal to
relocate the Dunns Creek Road Corridor
however in terms of part two of the
staff recommendation Village is
concerned that the proposed alignment
shown in the report attached to item 9.1
tonight has not taken into consideration
any social impacts with the proposed
Corridor and the environmental impacts
have been mapped from desktop searchers
goes without saying that Council will
commission studies and receive a
grant for this purpose in and around
2019 what village is concerned about is
the alternative location put forward by
staff in the paper to what was offered
by Village in the original planning
proposal is from a desktop study that
balances cut and fill with no knowledge
of the social impact the environmental
impact or the economic impact of the
proposed alignment this is evident by by
the choice to cut through significant
residential land which will have a
greater cost than seeking a cut ?
balance on the road alignment the report
attached to item 9.1 makes no mention of
any social considerations in the
proposed new alignment and there is no
commentary on planning or zoning apart
from commenting that Council would be
able to undertake The Works under part
five of the EP&A act and therefore not
require a development
application the avoidance of a Crown
Road in the consideration of the
alignment is expl explained away in the
report by the need to communicate with
crown lands if this was included in the
design considering Crown roads are paper
roads that are owned by the government
to Discount this as part of the route
seems to be quite strange and
shortsighted there is a proc process
that needs to be undertaken to be able
to construct over a Crown Road which
ultimately sees the road then handed to
council but this should not be a reason
to Discount this area as part of the
proposed new alignment the current
proposed alignment also cuts through
through the approved estate to footprint
which there seems to have been no
consideration of and for want of moving
the road over slightly could have been
completely
avoided having listened to many Council
meetings one thing that the community
often complains about is the lack of
meaningful consultation and that seemed
to be a point made by the previous
speaker as well there is an opportunity
here to ensure that relevant
stakeholders are considered in the
determination of the location of this ?
Road Corridor rather than desktop
assessments I therefore respectfully
request that you amend the
recommendation in the business paper by
changing recommendation two to the
following Council will work with all
appropriate stakeholders on securing an
alignment that considers and addresses
social environmental and economic
impacts and benefits thank
you thank you Council the next presenter
and last presenter is Bill
Waterhouse thank you Mr Mayor and
welcome uh to brawood everybody um
Council of Staff welcome I I'm
speaking my name is Bill Waterhouse I'm
a local resident and teacher here and um
and a wildlife rescuer most people
call me one bad bill I'm speaking of
12.3 which is which is Marita Grundy's
Council Grundy's notice of motion on
on trying to improve vehicle Wildlife
Road Collision
mitigation I am the former vice
president of wildcare in and around the
Quaenbeyan area the greater Quaenbeyan area
and I'm also the current president of
native animal rescue group and I believe
I'm originally well placed to be
speaking on behalf of wildlife Rescuers
and and and the people that go out to
the sides of the roads and and rescue
animals I think this is a modest
proposal and it's a very kindly one and
it's designed I think if I'm if I'm bold
enough to say to sus out the options um
that are available to council and
there are some and there are many that
are currently being tested in various
parts of the of the country and I
suspect the world once the working
systems can be found and costed that the
funding sources can then be explored so
so don't don't worry about funding it at
this stage because I do believe that
council's very competent at at exploring
funding possibilities and don't forget
the insurance companies of the
country have got a very strong interest
in this research should probably
include contact with those August
bodies such as Amy and
NRMA but also with the New South
Wales Wildlife Council the
NWC you need to also discuss with
local experienced wildlife
rehabilitators and Rescuers about what
could be done and how can we fix it you
also need to look at what's going on in
other states so can I request that the
staff when this when this motion gets
approved I'm very optimistic guy and
if if signage is involved in this I
think really the name and the phone
number of the local Wildlife group
really does need to be included in
signage if it says Wildlife ahead
underneath it it should say injured
Wildlife native animal rescue group and
the phone number as a part of the sign
that's money better spent than the the
sort of the rather self-indulgence signs
that that governments insist on having
if they're going to do up a bridge or
you know major Creek roads being done up
because we're so special like yes good
that's great the wildlife rescue signs
are actually practical life saving
for animals and human beings um
because we all know that that that motor
vehicle accidents can kill people as
well as the animals in involved we also
think and it's not a part of the motion
but you need to consider it speed
reduction should also be considered in
certain hot spots so you got to be able
to identify the hot spots where they are
sapling Hill and mages Creek is a great
example max Reef's roads already 90
90 km an hour because of the dangers on
that road burrow roads another one thank
you for your consideration thanks for
coming to
Braidwood thank you for your
presentation Mr Waterhouse okay
councilors that's the end of our
presentations should note that we didn't
receive any written
submissions uh we don't have any
questions on notice and I assume there's
no petitions to be
tabled uh so we can move on to the first
item for
determination which is a meril minute
which is item
7.1
the councilors this is a late item and
I'm just going to read out uh so it's
7.1 retrospective conflict of interest
declaration and so I'll read this
statement I wish to put forward a meral
minute which is not included in the
business paper my meral minute relates
to an oversight on my part to not
declare a non-un non-significant
conflict of interest in relation to item
12.1 on the 22 November 2023 business
paper the it was a notice of motion in
relation to the allocation of funds
towards the Riverside oval canteen which
is of benefit to the Monero Panthers
football club who are the primary users
of said canteen the Riverside oval
facility is a council-owned facility my
involvement with the club is as a
registered player for the 2023 Masters
team and my son also plays in a junior
Monero Panthers team and has done for
several seasons I apologize for not
formally declaring this at the time and
will ensure extra extra vigilance with
such matters going
forward so we need to put the
recommendation to vote Mr Ryan so
councilors I'll put the motion all those
in
favor that is unanimous and carried
thank you councilors we move to item 9.1
which is dun Creek Road Weston alignment
Corridor and we have a move for the
recommendation councilor Wilson and
seconded councelor tuskowski councelor
Wilson thanks M uh I just wanted to
uh ask a couple of questions if that's
okay so I will move this uh motion 9.1 I
note that this our uh presenters spoke
mostly to 9.2 and 9.1 but they're sort
of all batched up together so I wanted
to check uh the the Fernley Park
president mentioned that she'd seen a
consultation paper on stage 20 noting of
course this deals with actually the
western side and we're talking about the
TR e side but just given the comment
that was just made on the public record
are those images I mean we you they've
been a workshop are they out uh they're
not any the attachments in the paper
today okay M
Ryan uh through Mr Mayor I met with the
Fernley Park committee and showed them
the options of what council was um
looking at for the next report that will
be coming to Council I met with the jro
bomber residents Association local
members and Charley and gong you know
committee next
week thank you that explains that um
because I was just looking at the papers
and couldn't see the image that effect
to the second question relates to May um
uh Village Villages presentation I know
it's she talked to 9.2 but just it
does all sort of relate and they sa
me asking question we get 9.2 in that it
was around social impact The Village
alignment I couldn't find the
attachments pardon me but is it
vastly different to our alignment and
how does our alignment not take into
account the social impact because I am
concerned about consultation
stuff Mr
R is this a question for 9.2 Mr
Mayor yeah we're going to address that
question at 9.2 9.2 y okay you finished
councelor
I'll just make three quick four quick
points that sounds doesn't sound quick
does it but anyway okay just quickly
I'm moving this very very quickly and
it does relate to 9.2 so I won't be
coming in 9.2 so I make them all at once
this realignment of stage one duns Creek
Road the Western Edge try I think is a
good thing moving this alignment South
supports and actually you know taking
away that alignment uh where it
currently is uh supports the ACT
position on duns Creek Road to meet his
Aila Drive in the mediterm it
provides residents And I stress medium
term there's a lot of moving parts to
happen first uh it provides residents of
South jro and charlee and the
industrial area above jobra South J a
second exit that's quite important it's
been talked about recently in the media
job bomber for a long time only
actually had one exit and it was always
a high stress point before we had that
second exit so I think that does does
work well the ACT government definitely
wants that connection to come into
Isabella Drive and it also supports a
key Community project by providing land
so those those three things are the
reason I'm supporting uh 9.1 I'm
interested to talk about 9.2 uh but
certainly broadly spting SP that as well
uh will ensure that we really want to
ensure that planning work is done and
perhaps we can take that on notice that
some of those consultation comments uh
to link that alignment to the proposed
Charlie uh roundabout uh which would
then go into the Isabella Drive can
we also please ask that staff uh write
to minister MCB and Minister chain uh
the roads minister in the ACT providing
them a detailed update as a result of
this resolution and where we get to
tonight after 9.1 and 9.2 I think formal
letters are what run government so it's
good to do that and finally just
given the body of the report does
mention discussions on pass routs and
the public presenter tonight did talk
about uh you know where things are
going on the the Eastern edge of the
Eastern side of this the actual major
part which we're nowhere near touching
yet this is still yet to be worked
through I just want to stay on the
public record uh we have uh you know
divided this project into two parts
stage one tonight's consideration that's
what we're talking about in 91 and 92
but stage two I want to we want to fully
explore all options including the
original alignment uh but we're taking
we're talking in the mediterm there
so we must first deal with this Western
Corridor so as a result I'm happy to
move 91 thank you mayor thank you
councelor Wilson and Mr R has definitely
taken your request or notice about the
formal letters further discussion
councelor
Willis thank you mayor there is actually
a drawing of
uh the proposed new alignment as an
attachment to item
9.1 yeah I was me
villagers
well they was my understanding is that
the presenter was speaking to this item
and referring to that uh diagram is that
correct yeah
yeah
okay
question uh no that's fine so I'll
support this a recommendation but
reluctantly reluctantly because
transport planning for gong and try
should have been settled many years ago
reluctantly because the construction of
this road entails more harm to our local
environment including threatened
ecological communities and disturbance
of sites containing Aboriginal
artifacts and reluctantly because the
council Commission traffic studies
showed that duns Creek Road was
preferable to building the ellon Drive
Extension had duns Creek Road been built
instead of the ellon Drive Extension we
wouldn't be dealing with this with the
excessive noise levels imposed on more
than a thousand residents living
alongside the Ed and Edwin lamb
Parkway uh as Colleen crenson reminded
us tonight these decisions have
consequences which is why we need to be
very careful about a final alignment uh
for dun Creek Road and this P portion of
it in particular because that's the
focus of our
concern thank you councelor Willis
further discussion
councilors councelor Grundy thank you
mayor uh I would like some clarification
if I
may uh the speaker Miss Co referred to a
possible Amendment now was that
referring to item 9.1 or 9.2 it was 9.2
okay just to clarify that my
second uh question if I can bring back
up the
correct uh
recommendation links to point 2 of
9.1 uh which reads acknowledge that the
existing Road Corridor over lot one dp1
1269 436 can be
relinquished what is meant by can be
because can be has possibilities
connected with to it as opposed to will
be which does
not yeah well that's not what the
recommendation m r do we need stronger
wording through you Mr
Mayor uh Mr tooth are you going to
respond to that one or is it
m with the wording Canen noting that the
report was looking for the planning
proposal can we relinquish the corridor
uh the wording was around can it be
relinquished to allow for the road to be
somewhere
else I guess Council Grundy wants
something stronger than that that it if
it will this decision say it will be
relinquished can now
yeah yeah I I'm not necessarily wanting
something stronger I'm wanting
clarification on what the intent of the
word can actually mean so that I know
what I'm voting
on that's
uh Mr Mayor do you want to M further
staff comment so through you Mr Mayor um
I think that the addition of the word
now before the word can actually
clarifies the recommendation thank
you okay so we're adding the word now
between Ken and B and Council Wilson
tasos you happy with that yeah okay
councelor Grandy thank you Mr
Mayor Is there further discussion
councilors so I'm just going to ask a
question I know it's been raised we're
not talking about the the uh alignment
uh of the eastern part of duns Creek
Road but when will we be talking about
that and at what point do Council will
basically get their councilors have
their say in relation to the three or
the options that are getting put forward
and their thoughts on that matter and
also getting to the bottom of how the
original alignment has basically end up
how it has where it's on the scrap Heap
and how we can go about getting it back
on the agenda if that's
possible uh so through Mr Mayor the
Consultants are working on that report
now and I guess what was important was
why I was engaging with the various
committee groups was to ensure that they
understood and were believing me that
we didn't have any other report hiding
somewhere that was that was not being
made public and that the report we have
now now is actually public as
councilors are receiving it today the
we're expecting the next stage report to
take potentially end of March April
so it'll be April May that we'll be
coming back to council and then back
to council again for this the next
report thank you councelor tuskowski um
Mr may I just a question to ask uh
what's the FR time frame period for
these two reality because this has
started 10 15 years ago and still there
yeah what we we are thinking in a time
frame do you mean stage one or stage
yeah starting point so stage one M
Ry uh Mr
Toth Mr Mayor we know that the ACT are
working to upgrade the Monero uh
Isabella Drive intersection their
planning is 10 years from now and our
planning is looking to align in knowing
that they don't support any other
connection for dunet Road into the ACT
our planning will align with this which
is 10 years
away thank you thank you Mr re okay
Council
Botti uh yeah thanks Mr Mayor I
suppose a little point of clarity with
regards to the arterial Road that we
will can now relinquish should this
uh motion be resolved that way uh
what does that mean should uh you
know call me call me a pessimistic but
should this not progress what does
that mean for Council so we relinquish
this arterial Road what impact will that
have should we now find a need for
this arterial road later on down the
track is there an impact to council
if
any M
Ron uh M or Mr T
please sorry Mr May so if we relinquish
that Corridor the aim of the planning
proposal is to identify another Corridor
that Corridor at the moment aims to
connect to the ACT if for some reason
the ACT connection fell over we would
still look to connect to the same road
that the former connection would join
noting that the corridor to the north
with an aim to connect to shepher street
is not supportting by the act so so I
suppose my question is is that that
would then at that time should that
arise would then come to council and we
would then include a alternative and
there would be a you know a I suppose a
I don't know a resolution of council to
then reconnect in one manner or another
is that
correct Mr R uh Mr Toth three Mr May
correct Is there further discussion
councilors councelor Wilson you like the
opportunity to sup if if that's okay
may is anyone else questions no thank
you uh good discussion good questions
just very quickly in concluding uh thank
you for your questions May uh and
everyone that has something to say
particularly around the original
alignment this is a challenging area
but I think we have to fully explore it
so I thought you know I just want to
support what you asking there uh and and
and tell people that are listening that
that's the case the other part is
quickly note is in conversations that
I've I've you know seen public
statements Etc I think 10 years sounds a
little bit far away for the Isabella
drive but maybe famous last words but uh
it is they are bringing it forward as
the second item they're going to do the
over pass that we're seeing at job
bombre now that's probably a two or
threee project and then it's the next
one but of course uh funding is
obviously the Magic The Magic part of it
so yeah thank you thank you me thank you
Council okay councils we'll put the
motion all those in
favor that's
councelor biscotti counselor Burton
councelor McDonald coun counc Preston
councelor tuskowski councel Willis
councel Wilson councelor Winchester and
I skipped over Council Livermore and
those against councelor Grandy I declare
it
carried Council we move to item 9.2
which is planning proposal relocate
arterial Road Corridor DS Creek Road
quean palarang Regional LEP 2022 do we
have a mover for the
recommendation councilor Wilson seconded
councelor tuskowski councelor
Wilson no commentary on the actual Road
just my question since it's now rightly
placed and I know other councilors are
interested as well around comments on
social impact uh and our current
recommendation which I don't necessarily
have a problem with but I am interested
in C staff comment through you mayor on
the commentary that was provided by the
public presenter thank you councelor m
Ry uh three Mr Mayor M would you like to
respond to that
please three Mr Mayor the reality of
it is is that planning proposals will
look in full at the environmental
economic and social
implications of a planning proposal as
it progresses and the consultation
process that is is necessary is also
intended to fully capture those um
issues and concerns and you know have
that reflected in our work I think
that you know I understand you know
the motivation from the speaker I
considered it to be implicit in relation
to the that by endorsing this
recommendation councilors are asking us
to progress with the planning proposal
and that is in respect to all of the
information that's necessary to be
obtained and studies to enable that to
progress so the reason why
recommendation two is really important
for us as officers is I'm seeking your
support to enable us to continue to
commission and do that work so if you're
wanting to make additions to this
recommendation it might not be in the
absence of what we already have in item
number
two councilor Wilson uh thank you mayor
and thank you staff I I think that
answers my slight concern most concern
but uh I think just noting uh Village
obviously want input on this there will
be there could be a position though
where they have a different view to us
as a councel and that's that's fine
that's to be considered in this chamber
but so I'm happy to leave as is but
please note that we do engage and see
if we can find the best possible uh that
works for most parties as possible thank
you thank you councelor Wilson Is there
further
discussion councilor Grandy thank you Mr
Mayor uh the way I see it we are being
asked to uh make a rather significant
decision here and that is to change the
LEP uh and that decision we are being
asked to make in a amongst significant
unknowns including what the ACT may or
may not do what the ACT may or may not
do regarding uh requesting future
funding from ourselves as they call us
stakeholders and councelor Wilson you
may shake your head but the attachment
clearly shows the ACT government calls
us a stakeholder and it includes us as
coughing up further funding in the
future for the Isabella Drive
connection uh that is an unknown we have
a nwe have studies that are yet to be
completed there's more
unknowns and we are being asked to
support a Road to
Nowhere In the words of Talking Heads we
are be being asked to support a road to
nowhere so I have concerns if I'm to be
clinical about making this decision
that uh with with the unknowns and with
the sequence of decision making that we
are that we have before us uh we also
have stage two that we don't have any
details around other than some options
and a
flexible uh price tag of up to $800
million
uh I I think it's just not correct for
us to be expected to make this leap of
Fate this decision with so many
unknowns so I won't be supporting the uh
recommendation or the the motion as it
is written and I before I finish I will
say I also have concerns that uh at this
point in time there have not been what I
would call adequate and robust uh
engagements with the community in in
meaningful consultation thank you
further discussion councilors councelor
Willis thank you mayor it's a question a
couple of questions what's the
consequence of not supporting this
planning proposal
M uh
m true Mr Mayor we have the opportunity
in supporting this planning proposal
to provide a connection and an endorsed
route a studied route a route that's
secured through our local environment
plan to connect to the ACT and that's um
a significant
opportunity in terms of the local
government area for both residents and
workers and businesses uh the
consequence of not supporting this at
this stage would mean that we would be
in a position that you've taken a
decision in item 9.1 to relinquish um
the the alignment that's identified
that connects with Shephard Street
however not supported the progression of
a planning proposal or the officers to
just start doing the work on a planning
proposal which would provide a
connection to the
ACT and to miss this opportunity now
would mean that you would have more
reports from us as officers trying to
secure connections to the ACT and
this is one where we have a a
proposal a proponent Le proposal where
we're able to start this process C
which would involve investigations and
meaningful consultation at the right
time in the planning proposal where we
were able to inform that consultation
rather than it just be a matter of
conversation thank you
mayor thank you mayor so I think
perhaps uh councilor Grundy's concerns
are quite valid having witnessed what
happened with the Elon Drive Extension
we all right to be uh want to be
certain that affected communities are
consulted and that we make the the best
choice that we can but there's nothing
to consult on until there's some options
and there's no options unless the
planning proposal commences that's my
understanding of the sequence that
things need to be done in so unless we
pass uh we support this recommendation
we can't begin that sequence of events
yeah okay thank you
Is there further discussion
councilors councelor
biscotti uh yeah thank you Mr Mayor and
maybe a question through you to to
the general manager and it's probably a
question that may not be able to be
answered but I suppose uh with the
reallocation of the arterial Road or the
proposal uh to commence the study and
so forth uh do we know if there's an
existing so should that be a
viable solution uh are there any I
suppose residents or blocks there now
with you know people that have purchased
or whatever the case may be that may be
impacted that when they purchased it um
was not there when they looked at the
plans and now you know couple years
later or 12 months later there may be
eventually a road going through there I
assume we're just talking about the
stage one connection y m Ryan uh Miss
Miller
through you Mr Mayor Village Building
Company have secured I'll say
conceptual consent for which is a you
know first stage in relation to the
further development at try so there are
there are no houses or blocks or
blocks that have been sold BBC is still
the owner of that land so yes the
work that we would be doing as part of
this planning proposal would be looking
at that alignment the impact on their
conceptual um
consent the number of lots and the
final subdivision layout that would be
necessary to secure an acceptable
outcome and that would need to be
designed to consider all of those sorts
of environmental matters like you know
noise and design and you know cut and
feel and balance cut and feel and all
those sorts of comments that you've
heard
tonight uh thank you for that answer and
and I suppose that sort of and I
wanted to really surface that in a
public forso that those that are
listening understand that I think
there's a big difference when when
there's a corridor identified for 40
years and then houses are built and
going okay well it was always the
corridor was always going to be there um
uh so look with that said I mean I I
I take Council Grundy's you know
point we're sort of rolling the the dice
here based on a few assumptions um
however we can't progress you know uh go
forward unless we you know we
do this piece of work so hesitantly
yeah I look I'll probably support this
thank you Council botty is there
anything further councilors for I had a
couple of comments before I'll go to
councelor Wilson I guess to me this
one's not overly complex we tried and
tried to have Shephard Street as the
connection to the ACT I think we all
sent minutes of a meeting from 10 years
ago where the where the quean city
council pushed that Barrow the AC at the
end of the ACD government have refused
that they will not allow connection at
streid Street we all know that so we're
doing what we need to do now to make
sure we can have a connection at
Isabella Drive that's what we're doing
now that's what 9.1 and 9.2 allows us to
do for the New South Wales government
the ACT government the federal
government the council are or in Furious
agreement that that's where the DS Creek
Road connection will go and that's what
we're doing with the decisions we're
making tonight and if we do not make
this decision all we do is put the
residents of South jomber in limbo in
relation to them ever having a
connection into the ACT councelor
Wilson uh thank you mayor and endorse
those comments just very briefly since I
was a a head a head shake was was
noticed I just want to give those but as
long as we're on Council we won't be
giving queenan rate pay our money to an
act project that's for sure we'll be
spending our own money on our side of
the Border as I'm sure they will be
spending their money on their side of
the Border uh and you're right it's
not a Road to Nowhere it is actually a
road that will link if we get the
planning done uh out of char South jer
bomber and it maybe in know medito
longer term obviously gong so uh so yeah
now with relinquish it's now time to get
on the planning so happy to support the
motion still thank you we put the motion
councils all those in favor councelor
Livermore councelor biscotti councelor
Burton Council McDonald councel Preston
councelor tuskowski councelor Willis
Council Wilson and Council Winchester
and against councilor Grundy I declare
it carried move to item 9.3 which is
amendment to Jumping Creek volunt AR
planning agreement 2021 we have a notice
of interest from Council tuskowski a
pecuniary significant interest stating
he's an employee of Ian mamey and
partners and he proposes to leave the
chamber which he now has so councelors
do we have a mover for item
9.3 councelor Wilson and a second
councelor McDonald is there a discussion
councelor Wilson I don't really have
much to say in moving this except that I
support the recommendation thank you
councelor is there anything further on
this item councilor's councelor
Willis thank you mayor I understand
the intent of this recommendation but I
can't support it da approval for
these six large Lots may have been
granted by Council staff but I can't
endorse that these lots are in an area
of the escarment that should be set
aside for conservation not construction
of a handful of dwellings for a few
people who will be able to afford the No
Doubt High asking price jumping Creek
estate hasn't delivered any affordable
housing and if you look at the marketing
for it it's not going to it has caused
environmental harm at the same time as
marketing extols the environmental
attributes of the area and its only
Access Road the Ed has caused a great
deal of social distress in our
community thank you councelor Willis Is
there further discussion councilors if
not we'll put them motion all those in
favor councelor Livermore councel
biscotti councel Burton councel Grundy
councel McDonald councel Preston councel
Wilson councel Winchester and against
councelor Willis I declare it carried we
will move to item 9.4 and await
councelor
tas's arrival back in the
chamber okay councilor's item 9.4 is the
quarterly budget review statement for
the quarter ending 31 December 2023 do
we have a mover for the
recommendation councelor Willis and a
second I councelor Wilson discussion
councelor
Willis uh thank you mayor this is a
regular report that Council receiv so
there's nothing uh unusual in that uh
I there were a couple of points that I
did want to draw out and that is while
interest income has been uh has improved
the staff are recommending that we
support redirecting all of that
additional above budget gain $3 million
uh towards depreciation and I'd like to
ask this because that's a large sof
money and because of the the now
forecast size of depreciation for this
financial Year's budget $41 million i'
just like the staff uh to answer a
couple of questions so we make it very
clear to the public why we have this
added expense
so can I ask how the $3 million of
interest is to be assigned for
depreciation and why to which uh funds
and why where the staff are recommending
that we agree to this okay Miss Ryan uh
thank you Mr Mayor if the Chief
Financial Officer Miss slagger can walk
up to the speaker please you'll answer
that
question
thank you Mr Mayor in regards to the
interest on investment that has been
earned that's a cash funding that's been
allocated across three of our funds the
general fund the water fund and the
sewer fund so all of the interest income
that has been earned for the water and
the sewer and the waste fund apologies
will be placed into
reserve and not specifically allocated
to fund depreciation as depreciation
is a non-cash
item so when we run our depreciation we
do a
forecast we set our original budget
based on information we have some time
out from setting the original budget
once we finalized our end of financial
Year we will run a reforecast of that
budget and that's what this adjustment
is bringing
forward thank you why why do why
do we have this increase forecast of $3
million for depreciation for this
financial year M
Ryan Miss
SLA as you would be aware we've been uh
operating over the last few years in a
high inflationary environment at the end
of the year we're required to assess the
value of our
assets once we do that
assessment we are required to index
those values so that we're representing
our assets at current replacement cost
over the last few years those index
rates have been considerably higher than
what they have been in the past so that
has resulted in a rather large increase
in the value of our assets which has
flown through and impacted our
depreciation good thank you and just
to confirm I think the I'm not sure it's
in whether it's in the report or it may
have been sent to councilors in answers
to questions so if we can just get it on
the public record I think the staff have
advised us that the gifted or new
assets have been increasing in value at
roughly 12% uh a year for the last four
years M Ry Miss
slager uh yes that's correct if you look
back over the financial statements
you'll be able to see the value of the
increase in Assets in our revaluation
figures that are shown in in the
financial
statements thank you I just want to make
the point that this is clearly the the
speed and scale of uh these uh
additional assets is making it difficult
to implement our long-term Financial
strategy which said we were going to
focus on renewing existing assets um
what I don't understand is why the
council isn't fully in control of when
these assets are gifted to us because
were we to be uh in control of when
those assets from new development
come to us as distinct from the assets
that we have to acquire or that we
develop through grant funding that we
manage it might make it easier to
manage uh the budget so can someone
explain why the council isn't in control
of the timing of the gifting of those
assets we able to get a general comment
from staff on that one Mr
R
I'm going to ask M to respond to that
one thank you through you Mr Mayor the
council doesn't regulate the speed and
activity of developers so as they
progress to deliver their developments
subdivisions and assets and assets that
are gifted to the council they do them
in their normal way we don't regulate
the speed of those transfers the
there are obviously you know processes
associated with transferring the assets
to the Council but we can't control
exactly the point in time when a
developer would be seeking to I suppose
meet that obligation and gift those
assets so so our Financial colleagues
unfortunately you know deal deal with
the burden that they're transferred when
they're transferred they they're
properly transferred but you know we
can't control exactly
when thanks very much is there further
discussion councilors councelor Wilson
thank you councilor Willis for moving
this and answering those those questions
it probably highlights some of the
challenges of using depreciation in the
for budgeting in a council space because
it really is as the Chief Financial
Officer said it's not really cash it's a
theoretical thing you might have to
expand down the track but yet actually
we are forced to balance our books
against it because of state government
regulation and there is conversations
happening about what is the best way of
reporting to the community on this and I
always like to look at the cach and the
cash position is improving that was the
best result of the SV the bad result is
people have to pay it but it is a good
thing that we are becoming more
financially
sustainable uh noting very quickly the
flip side of a good interest rates on
our investments is the loans we're
paying and how much our loan sheet is
still quite large uh and having to meet
those debts uh but broadly speaking I
think we're heading in the right
direction and endorses our decision that
tough decision that the community is
helping us with uh to go with the SRV
thank you thank you thank you councelor
Wilson Is there further discussion
councilors councel
biscotti uh yeah thank you Mr Mayor and
uh thank you for uh that input
councel Wilson councelor councelor
Willis uh look I'm just going to pick
up on on one thing and I want to see the
risk of sound like a broken record Mr
may you probably heard this about a
million times over this Council and the
former Council one of the remedial um
remedial actions has already been
taken so I'm referring to the report
page 28 point 2 opportunities to
increase other revenues must be
considered now that has been
discussed in this Council the
previous Council and I'm sure the
term before that and many other councils
I I think it's one element to
understand and acknowledge that uh
looking for other uh revenue streams or
other opportunities introducing new
revenue revenue streams something that
is probably not traditionally know
own for councils you know we nature
of our business is is to support the
community and deliver services and and
maintain assets and so forth however
uh you know we've heard about
depreciation uh we've heard about
inflation uh what we now need to do
is really look outside that
traditional method of of running a
council and looking at other
opportunities without impacting
obviously our local community and our
businesses
but but I think you know just putting
a statement like that term in term
out and and really uh you know taking
action is is two very different things
and I I I don't know if it's an
opportunity of this Council but
something maybe to set a Baseline and
Foundation noting that we're coming into
a re-election Year Mr Mayor and setting
up potentially the next council is
something that this Council needs to
consider and putting something in
place thank you councilor biscotti
further discussion
councilors councelor Grundy thank you Mr
Mayor if I may that was a very good
segue to the comment I'd like to make
and it relates to uh the report also
mentioning that Council should be
seeking opportunities to find
expenditure cuts and efficiencies I
think we need to as a council try harder
in this space and be more active in um
our commitment to that concept thank
you thank you councelor Grundy Is there
further discussion councilors if not
we'll put the motion all those in
favor that is unanimous and carried we
move to item 9.5 the investment report
January 2024 we have a mover councelor
Willis and a second councelor Preston
councelor
Willis I just wanted to note mayor that
uh if if council is members of the
public who like to read this monthly
report have a look at the Running Y
graphic you'll see that nonfossil
fuels or Securities is outperforming
fossil fuel or Securities and anyone
who is a close Council Watcher will
know that I draw attention to the
performance of the non-fossil fuel uh
Investments uh whenever I get an
opportunity because I'm I want to
continue to make the point that we can
actually uh make good returns from doing
the right thing and moving more of our
funds out of fossil fuel
Investments thank you councelor Willis
Is there further discussion councelor
Preston just quickly like to endorse
that and just to uh make note that
the trajectory of this is in the right
direction and and that should be
acknowledged as well so it there is
an upside to a higher higher interest
environment and and we're benefiting
from that but particularly note the um
the non-fossil fuel investment and the
tra trajectory of that thank you Council
Preston Is there further discussion
councilors if not we'll put the motion
all those in
favor that is unanimous and carried we
move to item 9.6 which is the New South
Wales treasury Corp loan agreements and
do we have a mover for recommendation
Council Willis and a second councelor
McDonald is there discussion councilors
councelor Willis uh just briefly mayor
to note that the this these are uh
new loan agreements but they for
existing loans sorry then uh their
amendments rather to to existing loan
contracts I read through all of the
attachments I saw nothing of any concern
so I'm happy to move the
recommendation Thank You councelor Is
there further discussion councelor
Willis Wilson uh thank you mayor just
briefly it is it is uh interesting to
read back on black and white that we did
loan money to uh fix roads up which is
not something we do uh these days but
anyway that was the previous Council so
just something to remind ourselves of
thank
you thank you councelor Wilson anything
further if not we'll put the motion
council is all in
favor that is unanimous and carried
9.7 is the draft compliance and
enforcement
policy
councilors item 9.7 moved by councelor
biscotti seconded Council Livermore the
discussion councel biscotti yeah thank
you uh Mr Mayor uh just a a question
through you maybe to the general manager
with regards to the public exhibition
look I see this policy draft policy
compliance and enforcement policy as as
uh quite contentious and and
controversial in our community I I
think it would be important uh that we
target for the public consultation uh
period you know specific elements and
groups in our community so it's not
just let's put it on exhibition and if
we get a comment we we will we want we
want to see or sorry I would like to see
you know strong engagement with
specific you know groups that may be
directly affected with this policy we
want their feedback and if they don't
well then uh the policy is enforced and
therefore too bad so sad so to
speak thank you councelor further
discussion councelor Willis
uh first I have a question and then I
want to make some comments can I ask
councilor biscotti does he have any
particular groups in mind we know um
some of the building uh companies are
obviously are obvious stakeholders
but are there other groups that he has
in mind that he hasn't mentioned Council
bcard happy to address that uh look I
think rather than getting into the
granular detail in discussions in
workshops and so forth in a you know we
are in a public forthere's nothing
you know to hide here but yes there
are certain sectors of our
community there's also you know
other you know other elements from
parking to you know all sorts of um
other matters so that affects a large
component of our community so I
suppose look I I don't know I'm I'm
assuming I'm seeing the general manager
nodding so I think I think that there's
you know potentially some uh an approach
in terms of that Community engagement
in order to get that feed back so
potentially maybe the general manager
can make a
comment m r like to make a comment uh
through you Mr Mayor I know we do have
Food Service Groups you know business
groups hotels motels schools you know
there's lots of ver you know service
stations there's various you know people
who' have even you know lodged
development applications Builders you
know we certainly it's not hard for our
comm's team to develop that yeah look
thank you uh Mr Ryan and and I think
you know uh there are a lot of you
know public housing and that
particular area of I know of Coan I know
across our local government area that
you know they don't have the ability to
park in particular places and therefore
you know enforcement action is you
know is given so yeah I I think I
think there's an opportunity here to
engage a broad part of our
community councel
Willis thank you thanks councelor
biscotti I just wanted to thank the
staff for developing this policy it's
very comprehensive and I think it's very
fair and I recently had some
conversation with a resident in queenan
East who was questioning you know what
policies and regulations Council
didn't didn't enforce and the fact is uh
we don't have the resources to en
enforce everything and so I think um
what's proposed here which is a range of
a serious to minor matters and a fair
way of dealing with them I think the
Matrix that's been proposed is quite
good I've lost count of the number of um
issues that individual residents have
brought to me often there to do with
neighboring properties but not always
sometimes they're sort of uh
raised as a on behalf of a a sense of
you know civic duty if you like so this
is an area that that does take up a lot
of I know counselors too have because
some of them we all get the emails
others are sent to individual counselors
so it is uh a big volume of our work um
and it can tie up the staff so I think
it does make sense to be careful
about what we uh decide we can do and to
be fair to all parties uh and I yeah I
think the the the draft policy it is
very detailed but I didn't really see
anything that wasn't warranted and
that probably wouldn't
work thank you councilor Is there
further discussion councelor Wilson uh
thank you mayor I just wanted to endorse
what councelor biscotti had to say
uh when people do the wrong thing
then they should pay the fine obviously
uh but we do have to engage with those
people as best we can before we issue
that fine if it is a matter that can be
resolved before issuing that fine
because uh what a lot of people don't
understand and didn't before you get on
a council is once that Fine's been
issued the discussion is then with new
South B's Revenue so the May mayor may
get an email or we mayble get get get uh
approached and asked to help with such
fine but there was you know people
have written to us before but once that
fine is issued we're out of the
conversation and then but yet our
council is the one that has to hold the
community uh potential anger or or or or
or in some cases actually happy to see
the fine issued so I just think we
really cognizant of that we we worked in
jro bomb with a parking policy that
helped with that situation where some
people parking on the verge there and
not getting issued silly fines so that
was a good outcome for the community um
and in on the dangerous dogs panel which
I I love dearly cheering that panel uh
there actually is an appeals process so
they don't you know the dog owner is
issued a fine and they can actually
appeal and that can fine can actually be
reduced or actually removed altogether
so I do think we have to look about
how we do issuing fines because once
we're once we're issued it's out of our
hands so yeah just leave that but I
support the policy going out for
exhibition thank you
okay is there further discussion
counselors if not we'll put the motion
all those in
favor that is unanimous and carried we
move to item 9.8 the post exhibition
report data breach policy and we have a
mover for the recommendation councelor
Willis seconded councelor Preston is
there a discussion on the item
councilors if not we'll put the motion
all in favor that's unanimous and
carried item 9.9 the post exhibition
report agricultural chemical use in
public places policy do we have a mover
for the recommendation councelor Preston
seconded Council Livermore is there
discussion on this item
councilors if not we'll put them year
there is councelor Willis thank you I
just wanted to acknowledge a couple of
comments which I thought made uh in the
during the public feedback which I
thought made some good points one was
about signage to notify members of
the public public where Council has
sprayed because the notification
system we use simply says you know we
might be around spraying in sometime in
the next 3 months so have asked staff to
see whether there's anything uh any kind
of software system that we might be
able to use that other councils use to
to put a notification online I mean
obviously going out to every roadside in
the size of our LGA is not practical but
it might be possible to do something
online and then we would just need to
promote that so people know to have a
look and the second issue was um
concerns about not adopting uh
alternatives to glycate I have read I
have been following the public debate
for some years particularly out of
Europe and the us about
glycate and uh I I have asked the
staff what it would actually cost us to
phase it out
uh in particular areas so whether we
could look at not using it in sensitive
particularly sensitive areas we had a
response to some questions uh just
before the meeting I'll be taking that
up with the staff to see what we could
look at because there are some areas
where it'd be great if we could get rid
of it but at the moment that's not
practical looking for uh minimizing
its use is the next best thing but it
may be possible to do without it in some
of the more sensitive areas and I think
that's something that we should take on
thank you thank you councelor Willis
councelor
Preston uh a question which may help um
with council's question there on
signage uh is it an obligation and it's
a while since I've read this but is an
obligation Within These uh this um
policy that any spraying undertaken
should include a
die M Ron uh you Mr Mayor you able to
answer that Miss
Richards excuse me through you Mr
Mayor I'm not I'd have to take that one
on notice I haven't I talked to the
Urban Land Landscapes team about a lot
of things today but not about a die so
I'll have to check that up bring it back
to you
unless no okay okay thank you is there
further discussion councilors if not
we'll put the motion all those in favor
that's unanimous and carried we're on to
reports to Council on for information
10.1 feedback on public exhibition of
2022 23 financial statements we have a
mover for the
recommendation councilor Preston
seconded councelor Wilson is there any
discussion
councilors if not we will put the motion
all those in favor that's unanimous and
carried 10.2 counselor workshops I'm
happy to move from the chair and we have
a second to councelor Preston is there
any disc discussion if not we'll put
that one council is all in favor
unanimous and carried we now on to
reports of committees 11.1 QC
environment and sustainability advisory
committee minutes October 2023 and
December 2023 that's moved by councelor
Willis and second by councelor
Winchester is there a discussion
councelor Willis I just I wanted to draw
the council's attention to uh one matter
that is currently before the commit
committee we're expecting
uh a further discussion on it at our
meeting scheduled for Monday night the
4th of March and that is because it goes
to notice of
motion where is it
12.3 uh and that is about uh signage for
wildlife possibly coming at this from
a different angle to where uh councelor
Grundy's uh if I'm if I'm understanding
correctly has come from but in any event
I just wanted to alert the council
that this is a matter that the advisory
committee is in the process of looking
at thank you councelor Willis Is there
further discussion
councilors if not we'll put the motion
all those in favor that's unanimous and
carried 11.2 is the local traffic
committee meeting 6 February 2024 we
have a mover councelor Livermore
seconded councelor Winchester is there
discussion
counselors if not we'll put the motion
all in favor that's unanimous and
carried okay thank you for that comment
councelor Wilson 11.3 the buang or town
center and Environ advisory committee
meeting minutes and we have a mover
councelor Grundy seconded councelor
Wilson is there discussion councilors if
not we'll put the motion all in favor
unanimous and carried we move on to
notice of motions 12.1 notice of motion
Mount Jer bomb plan of management
Council Willis should be moving as per
the business paper I am thank you mayor
okay we have a second councelor Wilson
councelor Willis thank you uh councelor
Wilson you also supported the allocation
of the uh the budget funding so uh for
this work so this notice of motion is
uh seeking an update on how we've been
able to spend this year's budget
allocation it's not a great sof money
but it's what we could uh wrestle
away from something else because I
think this piece of work is more
important and the staff have provided
some information there which is very
useful what I'm not clear about and
perhaps someone can answer that um
tonight or take it on notice and that is
I have never seen an implementation plan
for this plan of management this is a
very good plan of management this is
very important social and ecological
asset
for our community it's very popular with
Walkers Runners uh mountain bikers um
and it has uh significance to the O
local uh First Nations community and I'm
interested to know have we estimated
what it would cost to fully implement it
and how long that might take because
that will help us think about funding
allocations for the coming and then
future Financial years so we can
actually finish this good piece of work
okay so question Miss
Ron uh will I hand it to the manager
Miss Cory yes Miss Corey would you like
to respond or you can take it on notice
or answer some of it I can probably
answer some of it so the plan of
management has a number of actions um
at the back of the plan so we've been
looking at implementing some of those
uh first actions and then also um
looking at coming up with a long-term
plan for for how to best Implement that
also working with the First Nations
group up there to to get their input in
how those are
implemented thank you so it sounds like
we will see a a plan for the the full
implementation of the strategy of the
plan of management at some point
hopefully in the near future so we can
do that
budgeting you just want to confirm that
m r Miss
Cory uh we would continue to look at the
plan when funding became available and
depending on the amount of funding that
we had look at what we could Implement
using that
budget so if the council wanted because
this is what this is the point of this
notice of motion is to
identify what sof money in the
next uh operational plan would assist in
the I guess the next most critical piece
of work because if we find $10,000 it
is it going to get something finished or
do we need to try to find $40,000 that's
I don't need to know tonight obviously
but we are starting to prepare the
budget so that is the what the point
behind my question here yep Mr R uh Mr
Mayor I might refer to the director
missa than you Mr Mayor the preparation
of a full implementation plan would
actually in itself require resourcing to
actually go through and cost out all of
those projects and that's not something
that would be achieved in this budget
cycle so I acknowledge the the fact
that there's an ambition to deliver the
full plan but it is an ambitious plan
and it has a lot in it and I wouldn't
suggest that there'll be that level of
detail to help with this budget cycle
but appreciate you know if council's
want us to spend resources producing an
implementation plan that's not something
that's in our work plans at the
moment thank you okay is there further
discussion councilors councelor
Wilson thank you mayor uh very very
happy to support this notice a motion by
Council Willis
I I would like to know what what is
the cost of the resources to cost
implementation plan so we can actually
Implement a plan that we've make on
Council we're very good at uh doing you
know plans of action whether that be
affordable housing or Mount gerab bomber
or whatever we're not so good at
actually resourcing them but now I'm
finding out we're actually not even that
good at resourcing the the the planning
of the actual plan so there you go um
perhaps that might be a comment that
staff can take on board about their work
plans future plans okay that's enough
time of plans in one sentence okay
back to the comment Mount jerob bbra
has got to be one of the uh one of the
best decisions that obviously a former
Council has taken is so loved by our
community at gerab bomber but also
carabar area and the whole of queenan so
just fully endorse where Council Willis
is going I'm sure other councils agree
too that this is such an asset for the
community we should keep getting it
making it better and better thank you
thank you Council Wilson M just based on
councelor Wilson's comment would staff
like a WR a reply about about the
resourcing uh no Mr Mayor we'll discuss
it and prepare a report or something for
Council Thank You Is there further
discussion
councilors so councel Willis is going to
sum
up thank you mayor I don't uh I
shouldn't speak for Council Wilson he
can speak for himself but I'm not I
didn't draw from that that he was
criticizing the staff I think the point
is is that the council hasn't resourced
the work and that's a decision for us so
if uh if councilors do value this asset
and want to see the ambitious plan of
management implemented even if it takes
us 10 years we need to allocate funding
each year to make
progress coun thank you councelor okay
councilors we put the motion all those
in favor that's unanimous and carried
we'll move on to item 12.2 notice of
motion budget items and councelor Willis
you moving as per the business paper I
am thanks do we have a second counselors
councelor Wilson councelor Willis thanks
councelor Wilson these are a number of
items that some of which I've raised
previously and I'd like to to see
considered as part of the development of
the next operational plan the notice
of motion councilors can we just make
sure if someone speaking that no one
else is it's it's becoming a thing thank
you Council Willis the notice of
motion gives backround around on the
reasons that I'm proposing that these
items go into the mix uh for
consideration for
funding thank you Council Willis Is
there further discussion Council
Wilson no just look forward to finding
out about the installing shade cloth
over the Queen Bean pool given how
popular it is thank you you councelor
McDonald thank you mayor uh look I'm
going to support this motion on the
basis that it's very explicit this
does not commit Council to funding any
of these projects U this effectively
puts on you know the public record what
we do otherwise sometimes privately
ahead of budget and that is consider
budget bids and I've spoken to councilor
Willis about uh her intent and and not
to speak for her but uh but that very
clearly is the intent of this to to
signal to the community these are some
of the
priorities and I think it is important
that we start uh uh that we take an open
mind to when councilors do want to put
things forward for
consideration uh and uh we go through
the process of square pegs in round
holes uh closer to
budget thank you councelor councelor
biscotti uh yeah thank you Mr Mayor
happy to to support the uh notice
motion thank councelor uh Willis uh for
bringing this to council and I don't
think there's you know it's not even a
discussion of of maybe a consideration
of maybe a slight Amendment here um
but I suppose I want to flag point
a they're providing additional bicycle
parking in city and town centers which I
think is a great idea in terms of
considering in in the allocation of
funds for the next operational plan um
but I think it goes a little bit deeper
than that and I and I think uh Council
needs to look at our bike network uh
Once Upon a Time Mr May you'd recall
that I was an adamant bike rider and
uh and and am quite passionate about
it and I believe that the bicycle
user group is still in existence I think
uh headed up by fellow in lives in
jera but uh Sean yeah and so so I
think I think part of this consideration
is also looking at our bike Network
to to link all that
together thank you Council bcot Is there
further discussion
councilors councelor Willis will Willis
you want to sup for us
uh just thank you for your support
Council for Council Biscotti's benefit
my understanding is we are reviewing The
Pedestrian Mobility plans and we have
bid for funding for some foot part for
for some shared Parts for the state
government funding we don't have a
budget allocation for cycle ways unless
it's part of a new road and that is a
shortcoming but in terms of the bicycle
parking there was bicycle parking uh in
the the the plaza where Kmart now is
and when Kmart went in there that
parking was pulled out nothing has
replaced it in 10 years and in the
meantime we've got a large Medical
Center we've got Aldi has a few bike
parks outside their store uh there's
nothing outside Woolworths uh there's a
chemist there's the post office it's
actually a very busy part of the city
center and at the moment if you want to
to do business up there you have to tie
your bike to a either the railings
around the post box protecting the post
boxes of the Australia post office or a
roadside so that that is particularly
uh there it's about but you could make
the same point for other busy shopping
centers we need to make it easy for
people to to come to the town on bicycle
Park do their business and leave because
if that means means there's one less car
journey and competition for uh a car
space then that's a good
outcome thank you Council okay Council
I'm going to put the motion all those in
favor that's unanimous and carried we
move to item 12.3 notice of
motion improve vehicle Wildlife Road
Collision mitigation measures moving as
per the business paper councelor Grandy
seconded councelor McDonald councelor
Grundy thank you Mr Mayor uh firstly I'd
like to thank excuse me one of our uh
presenters tonight Mr Waterhouse uh for
his insightful presentation and his uh
supportive comments on this motion uh Mr
Waterhouse is absolutely correct this is
a modest
proposal what it does it uh it it
tries to assist a problem we have in the
regional and rural areas we have ve
vehicular Wildlife collisions accounting
for over 10 million animals every year
uh in in this country uh this
contributes to over 21 million in
vehicular insurance claims and then we
have human injury trauma and even death
on top of that uh we've heard about from
Mr Waterhouse the various groups that
are active in uh picking up the pieces
so to speak uh because of these
collisions this motion is sensible it's
a win-win a win for motorists a win for
wildlife uh and it it supports what is
going on out there in other
jurisdictions in terms of advancements
in technology in this area of trying to
mitigate uh vehicular Wildlife
collisions uh there's some really
interesting work going on in the Gold
Coast with some trials and pilot
programs and we have one here not too
far away in the edella Shire at Bley
point and they've had quite miraculous
ous improvements in the numbers of
collisions on a particular part of I
think it's about a kilometer stretch of
uh High Collision uh part of their
roadway so uh I would also like to thank
uh members of our community who have
shown their support for this Motion in
advance of this evening uh and rather
than go any further I'd just like to put
to my colleagues uh that uh this does
not lock Us in to fund anything or go
any particular path it is about gaining
information and evidence and having a
look at what's happening elsewhere so
that we can make some decisions to try
and improve things in this area thank
you thank you councelor Grundy councelor
McDonald thank you mayor and thanks
councel Grundy uh and and anticipation
colleagues uh for their support for
this motion it is important and I
think uh councilor Grandy's uh
summing up point or closing point there
that this does again not commit us to
anything other than finding out
information looking around what is
appropriate uh what operates in other
areas uh what could potentially operate
in our area uh in a very 21st century um
effort to reduce uh collisions with
with Wildlife on the road as you know Mr
wouse knows and and as anyone who's um
seen or or or or hit animals uh on the
road it's not a nice thing uh it's
certainly not a nice thing for our
Wildlife uh and it has as uh councelor
Grundy uh points out a major economic
impact to to insurance which UPS
everyone's premiums so we all pay uh the
worse this problem gets we do have
other things we ought be considering and
and there'll be other opportunities to
uh to uh discuss those in terms of how
we manage our verges and our roadside
and how we manage our roadside
vegetation uh and they are important
factors that need to be be uh be
considered but but limiting it uh to the
motion as stands uh we ought be uh
technology agnostic uh and as uh cast
The Net as wide as possible to find out
what is the best solution for our
area thank you councelor McDonald
councelor
Preston thanks B and I'd like to
thank councelor Grande for bringing this
motion forward and note that as she has
that uh this has been the the result of
considerable Community engagement on the
issue with her uh with me and also with
you mayor I understand I'd also like
to thank Mr W house wbat bill for his
contribution today and note his
extensive experience and expert
expertise in providing it additional
recommendations that he made during his
presentation should also be considered
having traveled Max Reef Road uh the
road in used as the example in the uh
in the motion uh as recently as last
night I can confirm that signage is of
the absolute minimthat it could
possibly be there's a sign at each end
that says kangaro is for 15 km and
that's it and that's in STK contrast
to the number of wildlife carcasses I
saw along the road uh while I strongly
encourage drivers to drive to conditions
and Wildlife on uh on Rural roads is a
condition an investigation of options
and new technology seems more than
appropriate and this motion does not
as councelor grandier and councelor
McDonald have noted does not commit uh
limited Council funds but does ask us to
consider expenditure in a reasonable and
considered way and I commend councelor
Grundy's
motion thank you Council Is there
further discussion councelor
Wilson thank you mayor uh I'm supportive
of this uh motion uh given I've recently
gone through a smash repair after having
to hit a kangaroo on the way back to jro
bomber and it came came out of nowhere
that's why I think we need to explore
measures that aren't just the signage
but I have a quick question and you
can I know that if there was a smash
repair in the room they'd vote against
this one but I'll be voting for it uh
is this normally a state I'm not saying
we don't do this but is this sort of
done in state with state governments
because obviously if it's a state road
or local road is it all if the kangaroo
signs owned by qprc and depreciated in
the budget I suppose M Ron uh Mr
to three Mr Mayor so on a council owns
most of the signs along the road that
transport for New South Wales will
instruct us to install certain signs
speed signage we do not have uh the
delegation to determine speed zoning
we're instructed by transport for New
South Wales and we receive delegation in
certain ways which is the local traffic
committee to install signage and you'll
know that in traffic committee minutes
that come forward in the
resolution we receive an amount of
funding for
traffic facilities which is what we use
to put those signs up that comes from
transport for New South Wales but they
are Council
assets thank you
mayor okay is there further discussion
councilors councelor
Willis sorry thank you mayor um
thanks to councelor Grundy for bringing
the motion to council as I noted earlier
this matter has been on the agenda of
the environment and sustainability the
advisory committee mainly because uh
Mr Waterhouse and uh another
Resident from the district Drew my
attention to some signage that's been
Tri in
Tasmania just ask basically advising
drivers to slow down for wildlife
between Dusk and uh Dawn so it's
slightly different proposition to what
councilor Grundy's put before us but as
I said the the esac has started to
work on this so I I guess I uh if I
support this which is my intention that
want to be sure that we're not going to
cut across that work and in fact M
had asked the engineering department to
look at this signage proposal so k i
just be I guess assured that that
work will not disappear because this is
a notice of motion and be
overshadowed by
it m
Ron I'm sure all the Departments will
work together to ensure the efficient
delivery of what councilor asking us Mr
Mayor Thank You Is there further
discussion if not councelor granny would
you like final word thank you Mr Mayor
uh just to say that uh the motion itself
is much more comprehensive than simply
signage uh and that's the intent uh it
goes right down to uh vegetation
containment on the road signs which
increasingly is a problem for motorists
uh live uh wildlife and motorists
virtually have no chance to avoid each
other uh when that vegetation is right
up against the roadside it is becoming a
safety issue uh in your case councelor
Wilson you may have had a chance to
avoid the Collision if uh if you could
see the wildlife in advance uh but uh as
I say the uh the motion is much more
extensive the idea is to pull together a
full Suite of ideas to tackle this
problem in a very well informed way
uh having taken into account what other
jurisdictions are doing and doing
successfully thank you thank you okay
Council as we'll put the motion all
those in favor that's unanimous and
carriage we move on to 12.4 notice of
motion WB welcome wall and moving as per
the business paper counc McDonald and
the second uh councelor Burton councelor
McDonald thanks mayor um
I I'm sure most people are familiar with
the what I'm calling or terming the womb
welcome War it doesn't have a real name
it is it is a war it welcomes people to
wom boy so heads forth it is the one Bo
welcome wall look it has a history
dating back to 2008 I'm trying to go
through my notes yes 2008 I said uh and
that was by a master Stone Mason uh Dave
aret and helpers from the woy
Community
Association last year a driver from uh
the ACT Mount of the curb smashed the
ball within a year however uh the
community uh came together went
through all the legal processes of
insurance uh and worked together with
the son of of uh Mr aret uh Tom uh and
Jeremy elal another
stonemason uh working with the WB
Community Association to repair the wall
and it looks fantastic and if you
haven't uh gotten along Sutton road yet
uh on to on a Norton Road there uh get
along uh if you want to look at the womb
wcome wall it's very welcoming right um
the one boy Community Association has
asked uh us to as a council to consider
uh options for for lighting to improve
the safety it does have a bit of a a
jutting corner which can which can catch
you off guard if as you're turning right
off uh off Sutton road H and again
like a number of the other notices
motion here uh this evening this again
doesn't commit us to uh to any costing
uh or any expenditure or any budget
items or it will do is allow us to have
a look at the the the options which
are available uh the cost uh and the
funding options to noting Sutton uh road
is owned by the state and Norton is
where where we kick in I've made that
very clear to the one boy Community
Association that uh that is a good first
step as they see it uh and uh commend
this motion to uh to colleagues for
their support thank you councelor
McDonald councel
Burton I'd just like to say that you
can't misrepresent the degree of
enthusiasm the womb and Bon Community
have for this wonderful womb welcome
wall people were tooting and honking and
cheering and clapping every time they
drove up and down and it's a wonder the
poor stone masons got it done CU they
had to stand up every time away it what
people bringing them lunch end of the
day they're bringing them beers it was
just uh a lovely feeling of enthusiasm
so it is a special spot for the
community and I think they would
appreciate it being illuminated so they
could see it in the dark as well thank
you councilor Is there further
discussion councelor
Preston yeah just in addition to what
council Burton was saying I think uh the
community also needs to be congratulated
on the hilarious social media uh that
surrounded it too uh there was uh there
was posts about it looking like um
usbekistan
or
sorry and archeological sides all sorts
of things it was a really uh it was was
it really great to see a a positive
Facebook campaign for a
change thank you Council Preston
councelor
Willis yes thank you uh I'm happy to
support this but I would just make the
point that there's a lot of night time
pollution and that if uh we were to
to be able to finance a light I'd want
to see something that was going to
minimize well doing its job obviously
minimize the adverse impacts on Wildlife
the the insect population globally is
in deep Decline and part of the
problem uh is associated with nighttime
pollution uh light pollution so just
would want that kind of considered there
other places may have found a good
compromise so that we can sort of
minimize the the impact on insect life
thank you councelor is there further
discussion you like to sup Council
McDonald's no only to thank I again
in anticipation colleagues uh for their
support uh and I take uh Council
Willis's point I'm being quite agnostic
as to the technology insect versus uh
human life uh you know or or human
safety you know I know which side of the
Ledger I'm on and not suggesting
anything else uh but uh but that is the
reason why I'm suggesting we open
slather and see what is best and most
appropriate for the area thank you
councelor okay councilors we put the
motion all in favor that's unanimous and
carried next item is 12.5 notice of
motion clean up austral day and'll be
moving us to the business paper
councelor McDonald yes and seconded
councel Burton Council McDonald uh
thanks uh mayor perhaps I'll see if
we can get uh another run of luck by
thanking colleagues in advance uh and
anticipation of their support uh for
this motion look I think most people in
the room unless you've been living under
a rock or or under a piece of rubbish
on the roadside uh would have heard of
clean up Australia day it's been going
for 30 years uh and has attracted
something like 20 million Australians to
to take part it takes various
different forms uh around uh around the
country uh some in parks and around
Creeks and that that's not always an
option uh for uh outer Urban or rural or
Regional communities where the milit
that is attracted uh to a lot of uh
those areas is roadside uh people
driving you know and things either fly
out the back of the car or they or they
Turf them out um
intentionally there is a situation here
where uh as I'm advised again this was a
request from the uh the Oney Community
Association uh along with the ker
Community Association and the bwong
Community Association where they are
in in many respects prohibited uh by um
by regulation or or or or by a risk um
from partaking as a council endorsed
event uh along the roadside all of a
sudden you know after after 27 years of
having done it right uh and without
incident there seems to be some uh
someone sitting in some office somewhere
saying oh my goodness grown adults
were all of a sudden incapable of doing
what they've been doing for 27 years and
I and I think that is that is it is a
shame uh if you happen to be walking
along the roadsides in uh in bong W and
kab or any of the areas like that Su uh
you'll notice they are messy uh and
so the community for one day a year
seeks I think it's on the 3rd of May uh
March so a pump up for everyone else
who's who is uh taking part across the
uh across the area but we ought be
looking again this doesn't do anything
uh other than uh ask the uh traffic
committee to consider the issue and then
develops options to enable all parts of
our community to uh partake in clean up
Australia Day uh in a way which is uh
relevant and best suited to their
areas and I'll leave it at
that thank you councelor councelor
Burton this is an issue that is raised
constantly whenever we engage with these
communities uh it's referred to people
are taking upon themselves to wear their
High View jackets on those days and go
out and pick up rubbish unendorsed
unsupported unpromoted
uh and that they're just determined to
do the right thing by their Community um
it would be nice to have a proper
endorsement of their affection and
care for their
environment thank you just I'm just
going to ask you a question first and
I'll go to you Council Botti and so just
just so just for my benefit if someone
wants to organize an official cleanup
orral day event they do need to come via
Council for to endorse what they would
like to do is that correct Mr
Ryan uh Mr
T through Mr Mayor or to the mayor uh
council is the road authority the
delegated road authority the therefore
it is our worksite as our worksite we
need to comply with the w whs act uh the
whs ACT identifies volunteers as
employees uh for Works to occur within
the the road reserve and in a safe
Manner and then through the ACT we need
traffic control and the like that
needs to occur and for that reason any
event needs our uh approval uh for that
signage to occur so the traffic
committee uh provide comments on
proposals that Council takes to the
traffic
committee on whether you know on what
that proposal is and whether it meets
council's authority to carry out that
work
right just to follow and hypothetical
then someone comes to council they would
like to do this we say no they go ahead
and do it anyway surely there's no
responsibility on Council for them
undertaking that
activity we certainly have told them
that they can't carry out the work as we
tell people that can't collect firewood
from the side of the
road Council
Botti yeah we thank you Mr Mayor
we're on the same page there I just
couldn't connect I suppose point two
of the notice of motion and the staff
comment but now I'm I'm starting to
understand that so I suppose the
comment from staff is is that um
roadsides are not identified for the
works for the following reason because
of the ACT because of the high-risk
activities and then all the things that
need to happen in order to do that um
but doesn't mean that we can't so the um
and approach the traffic committee so
it's nothing in legislation or policy
that actually says that no we can't do
this we've just got to do it this way am
I am I is that right Mr May Mr R uh Mr
T through Mr May that is correct we
there is a way we have to do it and that
comes with the
cost uh in appropriate traffic control
where we'd be spending Council funds to
carry out that traffic control to allow
the works side to be safe for the
volunteers employees under the wh act to
can complete the works uh thank you Mr
May so what I heard heard out of that is
that we can do it just got to follow a
particular process I think uh
first of all thank you councelor
McDonald for bringing a couple of
notice of motions to council uh this
evening and and uh from what I see
is uh you know significant and
important issues for uh Community as
a whole and and certain parts of the
community but I think uh you
know over regulating and I understand
the reasons why I'm not saying it's not
important but I think uh if
there's a process that we need to follow
or that needs to be followed that we
we try and enable uh this particular
important activity as best as we can
and support the communities that want to
get involved in do this yeah I'll
leave it there thank you thank you
Council
Livermore yeah just in regards to those
considerations where you're asking for
the traffic committee to review these
you'd probably have to look at doing it
several months in advance I know that
you've got on here that it's the third
of Monch but maybe you know that's
going to be too short of a thing but
just putting in there that it's for the
next for
2025 for being able to do that
because I mean again it's the safety not
only of the people that are picking up
the rubbish on the side but also those
vehicles that are traveling I mean if
someone just pops out they're a bit
startled you never know what's going
to happen and again there's a lot of
time time cost are for qprc volunteers
to be able to get out there and monitor
those
situations okay further discussion
councils councel
Willis thank you mayor I've participated
in cleanup Australia Day most years in
the past 10 or 12 years uh usually uh
down at the low level crossing where
shopping trollies are regularly fished
out of buttles Creek where it runs into
the river but that's not official
Council event that's a land care queenan
land care event so anyone uh my
understanding is anyone can register an
event through cleanup Australia there
are requirements about registration and
people signing up uh for work health
and safety requirements when they come
to the site to work but it doesn't have
to be a council endorsed activity if
it's not on the road there's not an
issue and I think the staff have made
some good suggestions there are plent
plent of other places for people to be
able to do cleaning up so I don't think
it uh well take uh councelor McDonald's
point I don't think you know traffic
safety and traffic regulations need to
be an
impediment to cleaning up in the rural
areas on clean up a strat
day thank you Council Willis Is there
further discussion councilors councelor
Wilson yeah uh thank you thank you mayor
and thank you Council McDonald for
moving this uh notice of motion and to
council Burton's point this has been an
ongoing issue and raised myself back in
the day as well I think clean up
arral day'd be great if it wasn't even
necessary to be honest uh it be be
better if producers and manufacturers
made less Plastics and less rubbish uh
but unfortunately people do the wrong
thing and if Community want to try and
clean their air up they should be
supported to do so but I do have just
to quickly on your comments councilor
McDonald I do have sympathy for this for
staff in in offices that if you've ever
done risk planning if it says rare but
the the impact of the risk is
catastrophic then You' got to mitigate
against it and if someone was uh you
know run over when they were doing this
and the council was involved then heaven
forbid that would be a pretty
catastrophic income impact that said
well I will be supporting the motion
because I think it is something we can
do and in fact if we do a quick Google
uh I can see that golden Point Road uh
in the mount Alexander sh and Victoria
is having a roadside cleanup on the
third of March as part of it so it is
possible in Australia I don't know if
it's possible in New South Wales but
perhaps something staff might be able to
ask other councils how they potentially
manage this this issue because we
wouldn't be alone in managing this risk
because they do happen these roadside
cleanups thank you thank you councelor
Wilson is there anything further
counselors sorry just just short one but
I mean just even thinking of that I
think you know even on days like clean
up Australia it's not you know let's not
look at just this is the day that we
clean those certain areas but there's
also that adoptive Road policy which
I'm not sure if the community would be
interested in where you adopt like 2 KMS
of Road and then they're cleaning that
you know throughout throughout the
the year so when I look at days like
this I'm like we should be doing this
every day not on one particular day and
that's maybe something the community can
have a look at or or
us thank you okay I'm going to ask
councilor McDonald to sum
up think everyone's spoken on this uh
otherwise uh nothing from Mr M that's
fine look I think we've got to
be very careful as a council when we see
little areas of encroachment that take
away people's Li I won't say Liberties
but but impede the way people uh
interact with their Community we've got
to be really careful of that and we
should be aggressively fighting to find
ways around problems not just buckling
at the first hurdle that should be
our our approach because that's what
the community wants for us they don't
want to be parked and and packaged into
little boxes and I think covid sort of
had a a big impact on the way community
interacted with each other and and
and and we we must take efforts to uh to
ameliorate that so in closing I
thank the uh supportive uh comments from
from colleagues uh and uh also thank uh
Keith France David McDonald uh Jenny
Richards and all of the
uh others involved in the various uh
Community associations who have raised
this issue okay thank you Council okay
councils will put the motion all in
favor that is unanimous and carried okay
we're now on to item 15 which is notice
of intention to deal with matters in
closed session so I'm happy to move as
per the business paper and we have a
second councelor Preston is there any
discussion counselers if not we'll put
the motion all in favor
that's Council president tuskowski are
we voting to go into close session
that's unanimous and carried and we'll
move into Clos
session okay we're now back in Open
Session I'll run through the decisions
Council made in Clos session so item
16.1 appointment of Heritage advisor
Council resolved that Council one
appoint Philip Leon Architects and
Associates as the qprc Heritage advisor
for the period 2024 to 2026 and two in
the event that Philip Le Architects and
Associates decline appoint Ken
uran and councils we've reached the end
of the business paper so the time is
7:34 I declare the meeting closed thank
you to counselors thank you to
staff